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Monday, April 28, 2008

N.Y. Daily News: Sources: Roger Clemens had 10-year fling with country star Mindy McCready

Hell…Guys do it all the time.

Roger Clemens carried on a decade-long affair with country star Mindy McCready, a romance that began when McCready was a 15-year-old aspiring singer performing in a karaoke bar and Clemens was a 28-year-old Red Sox ace and married father of two, several sources have told the Daily News.

The revelations could torpedo claims of an unsullied character that are central to the defamation suit Clemens filed Jan. 6 against his former personal trainer Brian McNamee. Vivid details of the affair could surface in several media projects that McCready is involved with - including a documentary that begins filming today in Nashville, a new album and a reality show.

...Contacted by the Daily News Sunday through his lawyer Rusty Hardin, Clemens confirmed a long-term relationship but denied that it was of a sexual nature.

“He flatly denies having had any kind of an inappropriate relationship with her,” Hardin said. “He’s considered her a close family friend. ... He has never had a sexual relationship with her.”

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   1. ekogan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:29 AM (#2761049)
gentlemen prefer blondes
   2. Sam M. Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:33 AM (#2761051)
If he preferred a 15 year old, he's no gentleman.

Big "if," of course . . . this being a tabloid report and it arising in the context of the hatefest that is the Clements/McNameee saga . . . .
   3. ekogan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:38 AM (#2761052)
this being a tabloid report

Best investigative reporting on the planet. But go ahead, read the New York Times if you want. They get lucky sometimes.
   4. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:38 AM (#2761053)
Ten years is a little more than a "fling," in my book.
   5. Fresh Prince of Belisle Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:42 AM (#2761055)

Best investigative reporting on the planet. But go ahead, read the New York Times if you want. They get lucky sometimes.


Yeah, just this weekend, they had an exposé revealing that John McCain was guilty of breaking an FEC rule that almost had been put into effect!
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:43 AM (#2761056)
Roger: "I didn't not inject anything in the butt of that woman!"
   7. Cabbage Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:50 AM (#2761060)
This thread is worthless without pics.
   8. ekogan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:52 AM (#2761061)

Yeah, just this weekend, they had an exposé revealing that John McCain was guilty of breaking an FEC rule that almost had been put into effect!


John McCain doesn't seem to have any dirty secrets for anyone to dig up on him. Which means that he's too pure to be elected president. When was the last time there was a president with no dirt on him? Jimmy Carter? And you could see how long he lasted.
   9. 1k5v3L Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:55 AM (#2761065)
This thread is worthless without pics.
there ya go.
   10. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:03 AM (#2761070)
LOLOL 15 LOLOLOL
   11. SABRJoe Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:03 AM (#2761072)
Wow, this chick is a piece of work herself.

McCready wiki page
   12. 1k5v3L Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:04 AM (#2761074)
Wow, this chick is a piece of work herself.
Probably because Clemens messed her up when she was 15
   13. Rich Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:05 AM (#2761075)
They look a little alike. Maybe they're related.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:13 AM (#2761079)
John McCain doesn't seem to have any dirty secrets for anyone to dig up on him. Which means that he's too pure to be elected president.

LOLOLOLOL!

LOL!

(just the most recent)
   15. Guapo Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:16 AM (#2761080)
One note- if McCready was 15 and Clemens was 28 when they met, this would have presumably been spring of 1991 (since Roger was with Red Sox teammates, I assume it was spring training). But the Sox weren't training in Fort Myers in 1991- they were in Winter Haven, which is about a 2 and a half hour drive from Fort Myers. I guess it's possible that the team would regularly take road trips to check out the karaoke bar in Fort Myers that lets 15 year olds in, but... I don't know, this story is starting to sound a little odd.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:19 AM (#2761081)
this story would have been more interesting if he had a 10-year affair with Mike McCready
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:21 AM (#2761082)
According to sources, Clemens was with his Red Sox teammates in a Fort Myers, Fla., bar when then-teenager McCready caught his eye. After Clemens threw a shirt with his and several teammates' signatures onstage, an introduction was made.

Maybe the "sources" are trying to remember something from long ago and assumed that the spring training had been in Fort Myers way back then, but it actually wasn't. Or, maybe it's not true.

When did they start having spring training in Fort Myers?

According to the source, McCready did not learn that Clemens was married to Debbie Clemens until McCready attended a baseball game with her two younger brothers and read Clemens' bio in the program. The source says that McCready was too young to be angered by the news that Clemens was taken.

Too young to understand the concept of "wife" or "monogamy"? Or maybe she didn't care?
   18. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:21 AM (#2761083)
If he preferred a 15 year old, he's no gentleman.

15 is 105 in dog years, and based on the mug shot linked to in #9, that's the correct unit of measure.
   19. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:22 AM (#2761085)
Yeah, everyone looks their best in mug shots, 6-4-3. Especially when they have a big cut on their face.

I always liked that "Guys Do It" song. Didn't realize it was her only big hit. Partially because I got her confused with Martina McBride.
   20. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:23 AM (#2761086)
this story would have been more interesting if he had a 10-year affair with Mike McCready

Or Mike Macfarlane.
Or Mark McGwire.
Or Mark McLemore.
   21. JC Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:24 AM (#2761087)
at least Bonds cheated on his wife with someone attractive...
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:24 AM (#2761088)
Or Mike Macfarlane.


or todd mcfarlane?
   23. Tuque Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:35 AM (#2761093)
Or Seth McFarlane. Or Seth Green. Or Shawn Green. Or Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter. Or Joe Carter. Or Joe DiMaggio. Or Vince DiMaggio. Or Vince Vaughn. Or Mo Vaughn. Or the state of Missouri.
   24. Guy LeDouche Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:52 AM (#2761110)
Lurlene!
   25. Rich Rifkin I Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:10 AM (#2761118)
"this story would have been more interesting if he had a 10-year affair with Mike McCready Piazza."

Fixed.

And that would explain his domestic violence incident, when he threw the bat at Piazza in a jealous rage because his boyfriend used his needles without permission.
   26. Halofan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:14 AM (#2761119)
Guys do 15-year-olds all the time? Or OxyContin all the time? Which would you rather do?
   27. BeanoCook Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:15 AM (#2761120)
Didn't Canseco in his 1st book claim Roger was about the only guy to be faithful to his wife? Shouldn't then Roger admit to this charge to prove Canseco is full of ####? That worked in Feb when Clemens told Congress his wife was using HGH, not him.
   28. Banta Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:44 AM (#2761124)
Guys do 15-year-olds all the time? Or OxyContin all the time? Which would you rather do?

Depends on what I can get a prescription for.
   29. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 28, 2008 at 08:31 AM (#2761129)
Guys do 15-year-olds all the time? Or OxyContin all the time? Which would you rather do?

Hillbilly heroin, or hillbilly heroine?
   30. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 08:36 AM (#2761131)
Just when you thought that the Daily News couldn't sink any lower.
   31. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: April 28, 2008 at 08:54 AM (#2761133)
Let's talk about love. Is it true? You'll never know...maybe, maybe not. But guys do it all the time, and a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. If she lets out a scream, "All I want is everything!", maybe he'll notice her now. "What if I do?" he might be thinking. But the other side of this kiss is one in a million.

Oh, and about ten thousand Angels scored on Verlander last night.
   32. Craig Calcaterra Posted: April 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM (#2761135)
Just when you thought that the Daily News couldn't sink any lower.


I'm just as skeptical about stuff I see in tabloids too, David, but you have to admit that if this story is bogus, it's a whopper by even tabloid standards. The kind of stuff that gets papers sued with a quickness. Sure, their standards may not be the strongest in the world, but even the Daily News has lawyers, right? Does this really get published if its total baloney?

That aside (and we will have to wait and see), if it is true, Roger Clemens is not just the jerk we have long considered him to be; he's an evil and loathsome monster who contributed to the destruction of a young girl in a major way, and because of that I'm having serious trouble bringing the snark about it all.
   33. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 11:29 AM (#2761139)
Or Mo Vaughn. Or the state of Missouri.
By the end there, it was an open question which of those weighed more. Probably still is.
   34. xbhaskarx Posted: April 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM (#2761145)
The relationship with McCready paints a very different picture of Clemens than the one drawn by Jose Canseco in his book "Juiced," where he went out of his way to say that Clemens was one of very few professional ballplayers who was faithful to his wife.


Canseco also said Clemens wasn't at his party. If this is true and if Canseco knew about it, I wonder why Canseco keeps lying to protect Clemens?
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: April 28, 2008 at 12:56 PM (#2761161)
"Partially because I got her confused with Martina McBride."

They're doing wonderful things with vision correction these days...
;)
   36. bfan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 12:56 PM (#2761162)
Guys, no one looks good in a mug shot or after just being beaten. She did seem to lose the looks after about age 22; maybe that is the peak for country music singers, after which they start to fade quickly. Bill James should do a study.
   37. Gromit Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:15 PM (#2761173)
He was schtooping a 15-year old when he was 28?

Clemens is getting classier every month.
   38. villageidiom Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:17 PM (#2761176)
Roger Clemens carried on a decade-long affair with country star Mindy McCready, a romance that began when McCready was a 15-year-old aspiring singer performing in a karaoke bar and Clemens was a 28-year-old Red Sox ace and married father of two, several sources have told the Daily News.
Any chance the romance was with Debbie Clemens?

Canseco also said Clemens wasn't at his party. If this is true and if Canseco knew about it, I wonder why Canseco keeps lying to protect Clemens?
If the McNamee story is true, Canseco shifts from "drug user who helped to expose the problem" to "drug dealer who helped perpetuate the problem"; and Canseco would be lying more to protect himself than Clemens.
   39. TerpNats Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:21 PM (#2761180)
Lurlene!
Perhaps that's who Clemens' "Simpsons" self had an affair with. And with the luscious way Ms. Lumpkin was drawn (not to mention voiced by Beverly D'Angelo), who'd have blamed him?
   40. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:22 PM (#2761182)
Lurlene!


They don't call me the Rocket because I'm some dumb Army guy.
   41. Shredder Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:23 PM (#2761183)
Guys do 15-year-olds all the time? Or OxyContin all the time? Which would you rather do?
The prescription drug reference is also a nice tie-back to McCain, who's druggie trophy-wife used to steal drugs from the charity she was in charge of.
   42. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:39 PM (#2761190)
Ms. McCain gives us two straight republican should-be felon narc addicts sleeping in the presidential bedroom.

Family values!
   43. WillieMays Haze Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#2761193)
Somehow this picture seems more frightening to me than the mugshot.
   44. bfan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:05 PM (#2761211)
WillieMays Haze-good call on the photo; if you cannot look great standing next to Rosie O'Donnell, you cannot look great anywhere. Mindy just did not wear very well.
   45. winnipegwhip Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:05 PM (#2761212)
How appropriate that WillieMaysHaze picture is mentioned after the words "Family Values"
   46. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:07 PM (#2761216)
I'm just as skeptical about stuff I see in tabloids too, David, but you have to admit that if this story is bogus, it's a whopper by even tabloid standards. The kind of stuff that gets papers sued with a quickness. Sure, their standards may not be the strongest in the world, but even the Daily News has lawyers, right? Does this really get published if its total baloney?
Actually, you misinterpret me. I don't have any idea whether it's true or not; my comment wasn't about the accuracy of the story (although given the fact that the only named source in the story is Brian McNamee, one should certainly be extremely skeptical). My comment was about the fact that the Daily News, while obviously not the New York Times, still purports to be a newspaper, not the National Enquirer.

There is no relevance to the steroid story here; the Daily News is smearing Clemens about his private life solely because they've chosen to act as Brian McNamee's official PR team since the beginning.

I mean, the logic of the article is, "If we smear Clemens's reputation, then he can't sue McNamee for damage to his reputation." Assuming for the sake of argument that this legal reasoning is valid, how can they say with a straight face, without any caveat, that the drug-dealing rapist McNamee could sue Clemens for defamation?
   47. Xander Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2761222)
Age is just a number.
   48. base ball chick Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2761224)
wouldn't it be something if mindy sues them for libel?

anyone even bother to ask her if she had adultery with clemens?
   49. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:11 PM (#2761225)
Correct me if I'm wrong
Been trying. It's like King Canute and the tides, though.
   50. Craig Calcaterra Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2761230)
I mean, the logic of the article is, "If we smear Clemens's reputation, then he can't sue McNamee for damage to his reputation." Assuming for the sake of argument that this legal reasoning is valid, how can they say with a straight face, without any caveat, that the drug-dealing rapist McNamee could sue Clemens for defamation?


I appreciate TDN's biases here -- and any time I see legal handicapping in a newspaper I cringe -- but I can't agree that this isn't newsworthy if true. Clemens did put his reputation at issue via multiple television appearances and some pretty strident talk in front of Congress, all to the effect of "I am a wonderful family man of impeccible integrity and how DARE someone say otherwise." Sure, it ain't a Middle East peace treaty they're reporting on here, but the door, as they say, has been opened.
   51. Craig Calcaterra Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:19 PM (#2761234)
anyone even bother to ask her if she had adultery with clemens?


That -- and other non-McNamee/anonymous sources -- are what I'm waiting for.
   52. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:27 PM (#2761240)
I think she will have to calculate the damage to her career if Clemens did in fact do what is suggested and she allows the truth. I.e., we may well not get the truth from her (duh, I know).
   53. BFFB Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2761245)
Does anyone else think she looks alot like Roger Clemens in that photo... uh...
   54. bfan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2761256)
taken out and ridden hard just seems like an apt phrase here, for her; the digression from age 15 to 28 is really pronounced, and almost hits the Brittny Spears level of fall-off.
   55. veer bender Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:46 PM (#2761261)
Age is just a number.

True, but it does represent the amount of time one has spent on Earth, expressed in units that are convenient and relevant to anyone who lives on this planet (i.e. based on physical properties of the universe and not some arbitrary creation like wins or saves).

As a number/stat/measure, it's a pretty good one.
   56. Xander Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2761265)
Well I don't like it. I just go by an age-adjusted metric which allows me to be inclusive of girls ages 4-68.
   57. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2761267)
that the drug-dealing rapist McNamee could sue Clemens for defamation?

You mean the drug-using rapist Clemens, don't you, David?
No. That wouldn't make any sense. Obviously Clemens can't sue Clemens. You're confused as usual. And rape? I assume you mean statutory rape, but the article doesn't even pretend to assert -- it insinuates, but carefully doesn't say -- that they had sex at any point, let alone when she was underage.
   58. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2761285)
... McCain, who's druggie trophy-wife ...

Is that like the kind of trophy you give to the Little League team that finishes the season 0-14 and somehow has a worse Pythagorean record?

See for yourself

(And I say that as someone who'd rather saw off my hands than use either one to pull the lever for either Democrat candidate in November.)
   59. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2761293)
Age of consent in other developed nations.

13 South Korea
13 Spain
14 Albania
14 Bulgaria
14 China
14 Colombia
14 Croatia
14 Ecuador
14 Estonia
14 Honduras
14 Hungary
14 Italy
14 Liechtenstein
14 Lithuania
14 Moldova
14 Montenegro
14 Peru
14 Puerto Rico
14 Serbia
15 Costa Rica
15 Czech Republic
15 Denmark
15 France
15 Greece
15 Iceland
15 Martinique
15 Monaco
15 Poland
15 Romania
15 Slovakia
15 Slovenia
15 Sweden
15 Uruguay

are we behind the times, or are those Europeans just dirty bastards.
___
Something I did find odd, the age of consent for the US military is 16 .. But you need to be 18 to join.
PFC Kevin, any reason for this?
   60. bfan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2761297)
Gambling rent-thanks for the comprehensive list; I'll keep it handy when I travel.
   61. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:21 PM (#2761302)
Some of those nations don't look so "developed" to me. Not sure why that would matter, but still.

I wonder why the female politicians in some of those countries don't change those ages. 13 in Spain and South Korea, you have to be kidding me.
   62. villageidiom Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:23 PM (#2761304)
Sources say that when McCready, now 32, and Clemens were together, there was barely any friction between them. The two were known to take lavish trips to Las Vegas and New York. One time, McCready attended a Yankees game at the Stadium and jokingly donned a catcher's mask near the home dugout. During another Big Apple excursion, the two holed up in the trendy SoHo Grand and later partied with Monica Lewinsky and Michael Jordan. McCready, according to a source, even bummed a cigar off His Airness to give to Clemens.
The sound you hear is that of my skin crawling.
   63. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2761306)
Age of consent in other developed nations.
Gambling rent-thanks for the comprehensive list; I'll keep it handy when I travel.


We took pictures of the native girls, but they weren't developed. . . But we're going back next week.
G. Marx
   64. base ball chick Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2761322)
bfan Posted: April 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM (#2761256)

taken out and ridden hard just seems like an apt phrase here, for her;


- it's - "rode hard and put away wet"

ahem

and interesting that mindy kind of looks like debbie clemens and i would guess what debbie would look like if she was an ordinary working class white grrrl

as for the "age of consent" - does this mean for a 13 year old and an adult man (over 21 - i'll be nice and not say that adult + man = oxymoron when it comes to affairs of the youknowwhat)
   65. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2761326)
Luis Polonia says, "Heh, heh, awwwwwwright!"
   66. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2761328)
The sound you hear is that of my skin crawling.

The only thing they seem to have missed is the lethal all-night baccarat sessions involving the Olsen twins, Alan Greenspan, Harvey Fierstein, and the cast of Cats.
   67. Шĥy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:03 PM (#2761358)
Worst part of the article:

After Clemens threw a shirt with his and several teammates' signatures onstage, an introduction was made.

"It was love at first sight, no doubt about it," said a source with intimate knowledge of the relationship.
   68. Шĥy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2761360)
Roger Clemens Posted: April 28, 2008 at 12:04 PM (#2761359)

Virgins. I love 'em. No diseases, no loose as a goose #####, no skank. No nothin. Just pure pleasure.
   69. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:09 PM (#2761364)
"what's up sexy, you are very cut it is bad that you are 15 the law is very strick about that kind of stuff but I may have to do an execption this time ..."
   70. Шĥy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2761377)
Chris Hansen Posted: April 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM (#2761362)

Why don't you have a seat? Have a seat. Have a seat right over there.
   71. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:31 PM (#2761381)
"15 is 105 in dog years, and based on the mug shot linked to in #9, that's the correct unit of measure."

and this is funny how?
   72. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:35 PM (#2761388)
"what's up sexy, you are very cut it is bad that you are 15 the law is very strick about that kind of stuff but I may have to do an execption this time ..."

It's just as if The Busher is speaking...
   73. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: April 28, 2008 at 04:55 PM (#2761407)
wouldn't it be something if mindy sues them for libel?

Yeah, it would be something. I'm rooting for that. HERE WE GO, MINDY, HERE WE GO (Clap clap)!!

I think I'm going to be disappointed.

anyone even bother to ask her if she had adultery with clemens?

Is there a need for her to answer? And, she's in a bad spot. There will be people who won't believe her, no matter what she says. It's best left alone.
   74. ValueArb Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2761421)
The prescription drug reference is also a nice tie-back to McCain, who's druggie trophy-wife used to steal drugs from the charity she was in charge of.


What's Cindy McCain running for? I forgot.

Too bad Bill Clinton didn't get a trophy wife instead of sticking us with that fat cankled dog...
   75. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:06 PM (#2761424)
During another Big Apple excursion, the two holed up in the trendy SoHo Grand and later partied with Monica Lewinsky and Michael Jordan. McCready, according to a source, even bummed a cigar off His Airness to give to Clemens.


When did Michael & Monica become an item? Isn't that the bigger story?
   76. JoeHova Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#2761429)
Too bad Bill Clinton didn't get a trophy wife instead of sticking us with that fat cankled dog...


Not cool man. What does Hillary's weight (or looks) have to do with anything? You sound like a sexist piece of ####.
   77. DosRafaels Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#2761447)
Too bad Bill Clinton didn't get a trophy wife instead of sticking us with that fat cankled dog...


Hey ValueArb,

When did your mother marry Bill Clinton?



I'll be here all week, and make sure to tip the waitress.
   78. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:31 PM (#2761467)
and interesting that mindy kind of looks like debbie clemens and i would guess what debbie would look like if she was an ordinary working class white grrrl

You mean without the stroids that McNamee gave her?
   79. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2761489)
What's Cindy McCain running for? I forgot.

Billy Carter Award for campaign distraction. So far she's losing to Jeremiah Wright by a handy margin, but she's still got some fight left in her.
   80. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2761502)
So far she's losing to Jeremiah Wright by a handy margin, but she's still got some fight left in her.

Does Slick Willie count? If so, Rev. Wright's got some catchin' up to do.
   81. JC in DC Posted: April 28, 2008 at 05:59 PM (#2761505)
This is where, in the wonderful world of BTF, I'll get called "self-righteous," but I'll press forward anyway. One thing I find interesting about the world is how we all face different kinds of temptations and how we react to those temptations. Most of us don't know the temptations associated with being rock stars or ball players and yet, given some of the comments in this thread, we have no trouble being judgmental about others reactions to those special temptations. And yet, oddly, given some other comments, we seem not to have any ability to resist the temptation to sink nearly as low as possible when describing other people (particularly women). Well done.
   82. Guapo Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2761511)
This is where, in the wonderful world of BTF, I'll get called "self-righteous," but I'll press forward anyway.

Must... resist... temptation....
   83. AJMcCringleberry Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:11 PM (#2761513)
Does anyone else think she looks alot like Roger Clemens in that photo

Does that mean Andy Pettitte is going to start dating her?
   84. Srul Itza Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:13 PM (#2761519)
Just when you thought that the Daily News couldn't sink any lower.

Who the hell ever thought that?
   85. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2761524)
This is where, in the wonderful world of BTF, I'll get called "self-righteous," but I'll press forward anyway.

I prefer the term "elitist". Self-righteous has religious connotations, while elitist keeps me with the over-educated, Godless, Blame-America-firsters where I belong.
   86. Answer Guy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2761542)
Most of us don't know the temptations associated with being rock stars or ball players and yet, given some of the comments in this thread, we have no trouble being judgmental about others reactions to those special temptations.


That is an interesting point, one I do not often ponder. I do not think of myself as a particularly judgmental sort. Now I don't normally have women (or men, for that matter) throwing themselves at me in this fashion, if that is indeed what occurred in this instance. But with the hypothetical of the adult man and the 15-year old girl, I'd expect something better than this alleged conduct. (If he wanted to cheat on his spouse, he's in an optimal position - with his money, fame, and travel schedule - to do so with someone of more appropriate maturity.) Assuming this happened at all; I am still somewhat dubious as to the veracity of the account in this article given the lack of corroboration.
   87. Шĥy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2761544)
This is where, in the wonderful world of BTF, I'll get called "self-righteous,"

I would think of different term to describe you considering you refer to 15 year old girls as temptations.
   88. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:38 PM (#2761549)
"She was fifteen years old, going on thirty-five, Doc, and she told me she was eighteen, she was very willing, I practically had to take to sewing my pants shut. Between you and me, uh, she might have been fifteen, but when you get that little red [substitute dam-building animal] right up there in front of you, I don't think it's crazy at all and I don't think you do either. No man alive could resist that, and that's why I got into jail to begin with. And now they're telling me I'm crazy over here because I don't sit there like a ####### vegetable. Don't make a bit of sense to me. If that's what being crazy is, then I'm senseless, out of it, gone-down-the-road, wacko. But no more, no less, that's it. "

I think JC's making this point in a more refined way

Of course Clemens initiated the contact, we are left a little in the dark as to whether Randall McMurphy was the initiator.

EDIT: To be fair, I should add "If the story is true" to my last sentence.
   89. JC in DC Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2761553)
I would think of different term to describe you considering you refer to 15 year old girls as temptations.


Hetero? Sighted? I can only guess.
   90. Answer Guy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2761561)
Indeed it is only in the developed world in the last century or so that a 15-year old girl with a husband and child would be considered something other than normal. We have what I think are a set of good reasons for discouraging such activity among teenagers at the moment, but physical maturity and emotional maturity do not always go hand in hand.
   91. JC in DC Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2761563)
Agreed, AG.
   92. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2761571)
Women are most fertile when they are around 15-17. From a strictly biological perspective, there is nothing unusual about a 28 year-old male being attracted to a 15 year-old girl. In other words, it may be considered morally wrong in this country, but it's not pedophilia.

And while there are social norms in this country that make such a relationship taboo, it's hardly a universally shared restriction.
   93. Spahn Insane Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:56 PM (#2761575)
Oh, and about ten thousand Angels scored on Verlander last night.

Yeah, but at least they were of age.
   94. Spahn Insane Posted: April 28, 2008 at 06:59 PM (#2761587)
Sources say that when McCready, now 32, and Clemens were together, there was barely any friction between them.

The word choice could not possibly be any better. Gold.
   95. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:11 PM (#2761597)
If this bag is "temptation", I guess I'm happy I'm not famous.
   96. Spahn Insane Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:26 PM (#2761613)
Roger prefers coco butter, retro.

Gah. Thanks for that mental image.
   97. ronh Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2761615)
Spring Training 1991 was a wild one.

[Mar 1991] No charges will be filed against three New York Mets -- Dwight Gooden, Vince Coleman and Daryl Boston -- accused of raping a woman last year, prosecutors said yesterday. A 31-year-old woman accused the three players of attacking her in March 1991 near the Mets' spring training base


[Mar 27, 1991] Boston Red Sox third baseman Wade Boggs said his wife nearly ran over his head with the family pickup truck Saturday night. Debbie Boggs, who reconciled with her ... Boston's spring training complex Sunday: Boggs said that he and Debbie were leaving a restaurant where they had just eaten dinner. ...
   98. Spahn Insane Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2761616)
I want to see a panel discussion featuring Roger Clemens and Eric Cyr. Maybe it could be set to celluloid by Roman Polanski.

With opening credit music by R Kelly, naturally. Or Jerry Lee Lewis.
   99. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2761617)
Boggs said that he and Debbie were leaving a restaurant where they had just eaten dinner. ...

Debbie Clemens?

AHA!
   100. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: April 28, 2008 at 07:34 PM (#2761622)
Just... you know. He's funny. What...?


No, I don't know. You said it's funny. You said it's funny. Tell me, how is it funny? What the #### is so funny about it?
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