I want to see a panel discussion featuring Roger Clemens and Eric Cyr. Maybe it could be set to celluloid by Roman Polanski.

Roger prefers coco butter, retro.

Interesting that you should bring that up, because that's actually a virtue in a preindustrial (ie, Malthusian) society: death rates lead to higher living standards and deaths of young females has the added bonus of decreasing that generation's birth rate, which increases living standards down the road. That's why female infanticide was so widely practiced in pre-industrial societies outside of Europe.

From a strictly biological perspective, there is nothing unusual about a 28 year-old male being attracted to a 15 year-old girl. In other words, it may be considered morally wrong in this country, but it's not pedophilia

>>>>In most of the US, a 28 year-old having sex with a 15 year-old is considered both illegal and immoral.

>>Not quite.

Obviously there are some exceptions most 15 year olds are closer to children than college girls.

Sure you can find a few exceptions, such as the polygamist communities in Utah/Texas. But by and large, a 28 year-old having sex with a 15 year-old is considered immoral under nearly all mainstream social norms.

That's why living standards in Europe skyrocketed during the plague (~1350-1650).

Not cool man. What does Hillary's weight (or looks) have to do with anything? You sound like a sexist piece of ####.

That's why living standards in Europe skyrocketed during the plague (~1350-1650).

Barricaded behind tightly drawn blinds at her Nashville home Monday, country singer Mindy McCready confirmed a long-term affair with embattled pitcher Roger Clemens.

"I cannot refute anything in the story," a tearful but resolute McCready told the Daily News, which broke the story at midnight Sunday.
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"Yes, I have known Roger Clemens for a long time," McCready said, reading from a prepared statement. "He's a kind and caring man. He's also a legendary athlete. The central topic in the debate, however, regards his professional life, not his personal life.

"There are legal matters working their way through the system that have nothing to do with me. From my point of view, that is where the focus should remain."
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"I have no doubt that Roger has excellent legal representation and he will emerge from this a strong person and a revered athlete," she said. "I wish him and his family the best."

Details of the relationship could also emerge in several media projects that McCready is involved in, including a documentary film, which is to begin filming soon, a new album and a reality show.

And while there are social norms in this country that make such a relationship taboo, it's hardly a universally shared restriction.

"I cannot refute anything in the story," a tearful but resolute McCready told the Daily News, which broke the story at midnight Sunday.

After the teenage McCready met Clemens at a Fort Myers bar called The Hired Hand, she returned with the Rocket to his hotel room, but there was no sex that night, sources told The News.

It wasn't until later, after McCready had moved to Nashville and become a country singing star, that the relationship turned intimate.

His waiting 3 years to tap that nubile ass in the face of such "temptation" further attests to his amazing self-discipline.

I would think of different term to describe you considering you refer to 15 year old girls as temptations.


Hetero? Sighted? I can only guess.

I was thinking more along the lines of creepy. 15 year old girls are freshmen or sophomores in high school. Just because they wear thongs and suck dick doesn't mean that they have anything resembling a full grown body. Obviously there are some exceptions most 15 year olds are closer to children than college girls. I guess you are the type of guy that signs up for the porno sites where the 18 year old girls wear braces to look younger. Hopefully, you're not looking at anything worse.

Morality and Law are not separated.

If the law says you cannot distribute copies of downloaded music to all your friends, the government is considering it immoral.

If this version is true, Kevin once again looks like a fool;

And if it isn't true, you do. Is that fair? Good!

You are a very scary person, much scarier than people who want to have sex with 10 year olds.

McReady's only confirmed the "relationship," right, and not the sex?

but maybe some of yall might could help me understand why males - especially rich males - don't think there is anything wrong with them having sex with people other then their wife.

i've heard all the - it isn't "natural for males to be monogamous" and of course i know it isn't "natural for females to be monogamous" neither, but sin is all about doing stuff that is "natural" and some things that are "natural" are not sin.

so why do rich men believe it is their right to commit adultery? any ideas?

It doesn't work that way, Joe. You aren't foolish for being suspicious of claims floated by interested parties in a lawsuit. McReady's only confirmed the "relationship," right, and not the sex?

JC: "I cannot refute anything in the story," a tearful but resolute McCready told the Daily News, which broke the story at midnight Sunday.

McReady's not involved in the suit.

Personally, I think the law *may* be wrong. It wasn't that long ago it was commonplace in this country (frontier days and earlier) that white men owned black men as slaves.

My observation from working with, representing, and just watching rich men operate is that, in order to get rich, many men have had to devote themselves so wholeheartedly to their job or business that their notions of what is and is not important are skewed. They may not even realize it, but in this process they come to devalue their wives and families. Maybe not overtly -- when asked they will say and maybe even believe that their families are the most important things in their lives -- but they really aren't anymore, and it therefore becomes far less of a transgression than it is for those people who have a better balance in life.

The part where Clemens tried to convince her to change her name to McKready was kind of creepy.

I don't know if rich guys have more affairs. Seems like a claim I wouldn't want to make without evidence. Imagine if soemone said this about a minority group?

count me as a fairly finanically fortunate guy who wouldn't ever come close to consdiering tossing his marriage away for a 30 minute fling

Your wife just called and said that she wouldn't be having an affair if you really could go 30 minutes.

/I keed! I keed! This thread needed some levity.

Heh. And I thought I was tasteless for thinking "At least hold out for the full hour if you're putting your marriage on the line."

I suspect there's room on the tastelessness bandwagon for both of us, actually...

My observation from working with, representing, and just watching rich men operate is that, in order to get rich, many men have had to devote themselves so wholeheartedly to their job or business that their notions of what is and is not important are skewed. They may not even realize it, but in this process they come to devalue their wives and families.

DtM, like many things involving socioeconomic status there are several variables at play, including opportunity and access. People who are more educated tend to make more money, tend to travel more, tend to be more exposed to members of the opposite sex who are more educated and wealthy, etc.

"He flatly denies having had any kind of an inappropriate relationship with her," Hardin said. "He's considered her a close family friend. ... He has never had a sexual relationship with her."

From a public relations standpoint, Clemens' decision to file the suit against McNamee the night the Rocket appeared with Mike Wallace on "60 Minutes" could end up being the biggest risk he has taken yet. Clemens, under investigation for perjury, has already endured the ignominy of publicly admitting his wife's own human growth hormone use, having photos of bloody gauze and needles linked to him and embarrassing scrutiny of an alleged injection-site abscess on his buttocks.

If there's a story about an affair, it's safe to assume there was sex involved.

If there's a story about a bludgeoning, it's safe to assume there was a death.

The perils of external genitalia. Get that thing caught in a door, and you really want to die.

DtM, like many things involving socioeconomic status there are several variables at play, including opportunity and access. People who are more educated tend to make more money, tend to travel more, tend to be more exposed to members of the opposite sex who are more educated and wealthy, etc.

If there is a disproportionate amount of adultery going on among ballplayers, and my guess is that there probably is, they don't do it because they're rich.