ida know about the $$$ means you have more time/opportunity excuse because pretty much everyone has plenty of chances to cheat unless you are always with the other person all the time.

Come back when you're 45 and find yourself in a loveless marriage. Then we can discuss some more.

Come back when you're 45 and find yourself in a loveless marriage.

More males than females are born but gradually females catch up to and then surpass males. But that doesn't happen until adolescence, I believe.

So what's actually "safe to assume" is that the Daily News didn't have a sufficient basis, at the time of the first story, to satisfy its lawyers that it could claim that there was sex.

But now that McCready has confirmed what we all suspected fromt the first story, the point is moot.

my fiancee. Being monogamous does not seem natural to me.

If you were that concerned about your kids, you wouldn't be cheating, and you'd be honest about leaving. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that marriages with kids end all the time, and a majority of the kids end up fine.

Caring for your kids isn't a justification for CHEATING, it's a justification for NOT LEAVING, which is different. But we weren't discussing not leaving your spouse, we were discussing cheating, and THAT is based in selfishness.

Yes, it's selfish behavior, but it's not behavior that has anything to do with wanting to hurt someone else.

What Lassus said in 229, except I'm 41, been married 16 years and have 3 kids. And when it comes to cheating, the name itself kind of suggests that it is black and white.

so i did the boss. big deal. it got me that raise, didn't it? what are you so upset about? it got you your F-15 didn't it?

Hah. Show me one study that suggests religious people are more faithful to their spouses than non-religious ones.

I notice that too, the double standard of blame. Men can't cheat by themselves. For every cheating man, there is a homewrecking/cheating woman. In fact, I bet more often than not, it's the woman, and not the man, who initiates the affair. After all, who spends more time/money trying to look attractive to the opposite sex?

I notice that too, the double standard of blame. Men can't cheat by themselves. For every cheating man, there is a homewrecking/cheating woman. In fact, I bet more often than not, it's the woman, and not the man, who initiates the affair. After all, who spends more time/money trying to look attractive to the opposite sex?

My point was that most sins that one might be tempted to commit, such as theft, involve depriving somebody else of something. Adultery doesn't do that. All it is is breaking a promise.

Clemens didn't have sex with her until she turned 18.

I've opined this elsewhere, but I wonder to what extent this is technically true in the WJ Clintonian sense, but that while sex was not technically had until she was 18 there was physically intimate contact.

An old girlfriend cheated on me more than once. It hurt like hell.

In other words, people who consider themselves religious are more in denial and/or less forthcoming about their infidelities.

There's an inherent bias there and thus, an unreliable report.

Well, excuse me. So the data is so limited as to be unreliable. I stand corrected, JC.

FWIW, JC, using interview results to generate data is a notoriously flawed method of data collection, JC. In fact, it's not really science.


It's really not that hard to believe, Kevin, that people with firm religious convictions will have fewer incidents of infidelity, is it?


Actually yes, it is hard to believe. It implies that religious people somehow have more control over their libidos than non-religious people do. I think that highly unlikely. You could argue the opposite. You could argue that religious people turn to religion because they feel out of control and don't know where else to go.

I think what has transpired with the clergy shenanigans in the US over the past 3 decades or so kind of blows a hole in that theory, no?

It implies that religious people somehow have more control over their libidos than non-religious people do.

I think what has transpired with the clergy shenanigans in the US over the past 3 decades or so kind of blows a hole in that theory, no?

After the teenage McCready met Clemens at a Fort Myers bar called The Hired Hand, she returned with the Rocket to his hotel room, but there was no sex that night, sources told The News.

It wasn't until later, after McCready had moved to Nashville and become a country singing star, that the relationship turned intimate.

i think all people both religious and not religious lie about sex. a LOT. even when it is supposed to be anonymous.

Well, if you think having an affair doesn't involve sex, then you might be right. I'm just used to calling those kind of relationships "friendships".

But to limit the discussion to why "men do what they do" without talking about the participation of women seems to place the entire onus on cheating on men. And, once we agree that non married actors in adulterous affairs are just as guilty of wrongdoing (if they're aware the other party is married), there are more subjects to interview.

Let's face it: women who sleep with married men are the scum of the earth, too. Right?

But to limit the discussion to why "men do what they do" without talking about the participation of women seems to place the entire onus on cheating on men. And, once we agree that non married actors in adulterous affairs are just as guilty of wrongdoing (if they're aware the other party is married), there are more subjects to interview.

Let's face it: women who sleep with married men are the scum of the earth, too. Right?

Kevin: I guarandamntee you I know more about the philosophy of science, social science, and "objectivity" in science than you ever will, and I further guarantee the more you discuss this, the dumber you'll sound.

Cameras. Cameras everywhere, running continuously. Alternatively, I guess you could install a little water meter on every guy's junk, and take periodic readings.

"Supposedly there are, even as of this late date, lots of women out there who don't realize how often guys, um, play with themselves."

One time, during a snowstorm, I was forced to use mine to club an enraged bear to death.

Now that I know who you are, you owe me an apology and money for the cleaning bill.

The ONE woman participating is the one who steered the topic of discussion towards "why men cheat". Not "why anyone cheats", but just "why MEN cheat". That we all answer has nothing to do with our gender, it has to do with the willingness to limit the discussion to "just men". I object to that. I acknowledge infidelity is a hurtful proposition, and that men are often to blame. I don't think it's helpful to focus on one gender, though.

The scandal arose not b/c clergy find it harder than the rest of us to zip their pants (and I grant there's something unfortunate about that), but b/c of coverups by bishops too cowardly to punish (and subject to punishment by law enforcement) their priests.


A distinction without a difference.

Why don't you tell me how to do science again, JC? Tell me a story about your trials and tribulations in the lab.

Among married couples, there IS an incentive for one partner to have a substantially higher income than the other, which of course reinforces the traditional roles of the husband as bread-winner and the wife as house-minder.