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Thursday, April 11, 2013

NY Mets monitoring Marlins’ Giancarlo Stanton

In other news, I am monitoring Kate Upton. Up in a tree. With binoculars.

When the Marlins traded Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson to Toronto last November, Mets officials began asking one another questions that remain in their minds today: Can we get Giancarlo Stanton?  Would we trade Zack Wheeler to do it?

According to three team sources, the Mets then spent time at the winter meetings debating whether to make Wheeler available in a variety of trades, including for Arizona’s Justin Upton and Kansas City’s Wil Myers.  Neither of those outfielders seemed worth the organization’s top pitching prospect, but Stanton is in a different category.

Although they do not know if the Marlins will move him (Miami declined to shop Stanton even after the outfielder Tweeted about being “pissed off” after the Reyes trade), the Mets continue to monitor the situation, fully realizing that any deal would almost certainly have to include Wheeler and top catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud.

Would you trade those blue chippers for a guy who might become the premier slugger of his generation?  I say, hell yes, duh, no brainer, but let’s hear from people whose opinions actually matter.

“In a heartbeat,” said one Mets official, who is not in Alderson’s inner-circle of decision-makers, but has a voice in discussions. The guy then snapped his fingers.  “Nothing against those kids, but it’s Giancarlo.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 11, 2013 at 10:23 AM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: giancarlo stanton, marlins, mets, prospects, trade rumors, travis d'arnaud, zack wheeler

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   1. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4410995)
Yes you trade Zack Wheeler to get Giancarlo Stanton. The question is whether Loria would do it.
   2. DA Baracus Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:33 PM (#4411005)
Mets officials began asking one another questions that remain in their minds today: Can we get Giancarlo Stanton?


As did about 20 other teams.
   3. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4411022)
Zack Wheeler isn't nearly enough to get a guy who slugged .608 and hit 37 homers in only 501 plate appearances as a 22 year old. You need at least two guys like Wheeler and probably more than that.
   4. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4411030)
Zack Wheeler isn't nearly enough to get a guy who slugged .608 and hit 37 homers in only 501 plate appearances as a 22 year old.


Is there a serious deal to be made for such a player? I think you have to assume that any deal that gets made for Stanton is going to look bad for the Marlins. On a realistic level a player like that should never ever get traded. If the Marlins are dealing him it's going to be for 75 cents on the dollar.
   5. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4411033)
As did about 20 other teams.

What the heck are the other 8 teams thinking?
   6. Eric Ferguson Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4411034)
Why would the Mets want Stanton? They're pretty set in the outfield.
   7. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4411035)
The excerpt says Wheeler + D'Arnaud, which I think you still have to do, considering that Stanton is younger than D'Arnaud.
   8. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4411037)
The headline makes it sound like the Mets have an ankle bracelet on Stanton, or a surly, still-not-over-it boyfriend loitering outside of his house at the very least.

Which, admittedly... Mets. It could happen.
   9. DA Baracus Posted: April 11, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4411042)
What the heck are the other 8 teams thinking?


"We don't have the resources to get him or money to pay him."

I mean, you can count the Astros out of a Stanton sweepstakes.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4411057)
The guy then snapped his fingers.


He sounds sassy, whoever he is.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4411060)
The excerpt says Wheeler + D'Arnaud, which I think you still have to do, considering that Stanton is younger than D'Arnaud.

You do that in a heart beat.

But I'd guess Texas would offer Profar and Olt, which is much better.
   12. GuyM Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4411062)
If the Marlins trade Stanton, the big payoff is we will finally learn how many games a team of replacement players wins.
   13. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4411063)
NY Mets monitoring Marlins’ Giancarlo Stanton

FPH monitoring Olivia Wilde...
   14. Walt Davis Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4411064)
The headline makes it sound like the Mets have an ankle bracelet on Stanton, or a surly, still-not-over-it boyfriend loitering outside of his house at the very least.

Alderson 2015: "We made a serious offer for Mr. Stanton. Not only did we offer him $3 million and a season's supply of subway tokens but we stood outside his bedroom window holding a boombox over our heads for what seemed like hours. We are deeply disappointed as an organization that he chose to accept the Indianapolis Rays offer of $27 million. We know our fans recognize that we are doing everything we can to bring them the winner they deserve."
   15. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4411065)
If the Marlins trade Stanton, the big payoff is we will finally learn how many games a team of replacement players wins.

We already have the Astros for that.
   16. AJMcCringleberry Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:32 PM (#4411076)
They wouldn't trade Wheeler for Upton?
   17. Dale Sams Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4411082)
This is either some sort of Brewster's Millions thing...or some kind of Heaven Can Wait thing...That is if Warren Beatty's plan were to make the team so shitty that even he can make it.
   18. Smitty* Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:45 PM (#4411087)
I fully endorse Walt's scenario of the Rays moving to Indianapolis and signing Stanton.
   19. booond Posted: April 11, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4411092)
They wouldn't trade Wheeler for Upton?


Upton lacks grit, it was in all the papers.
   20. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4411108)
I guess D'Arnaud and Wheeler for Stanton is like trading 2 months of Beltran 1 year of Dickey, plus Thole and Nickeas, for Stanton, Syndergaard, and that toolsey young guy the Jays threw in. Yes, you do that.
   21. formerly dp Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4411116)
Why would the Mets want Stanton? They're pretty set in the outfield.
Winner.
   22. McCoy Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4411126)
As did about 20 other teams.

Sadly the Cubs aren't one of those 20 teams.
   23. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:23 PM (#4411128)
They wouldn't trade Wheeler for Upton?


Upton makes way too much money for the Wilpons

   24. Dale Sams Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4411134)
I fully endorse Walt's scenario of the Rays moving to Indianapolis and signing Stanton.


Are there not any Mexican cities close enough to the border to make it worth the relocation?
   25. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4411136)
Why would the Mets want Stanton? They're pretty set in the outfield.

Winner.

By a landslide.
   26. formerly dp Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4411146)
By a landslide.
If the Mets traded for him, they'd stick him in CF and watch him blow out his groin...still awaiting the announcement that d'Arnaud's going to be moved to 2B.

For anyone keeping score, John Buck has posted a .6 WAR. Dickey's at -.5. And d'Arnaud has a .267/.478/.467line so far.

   27. billyshears Posted: April 11, 2013 at 07:01 PM (#4411186)
But I'd guess Texas would offer Profar and Olt, which is much better.


Profar/Olt is better, but I'm not sure it's much better. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of Olt. There aren't many teams that could trump a Wheeler/D'Arnaud package though (if we're just talking prospects). Of course, since every team would want Stanton, one team is enough. If the Mets wanted to load the deal up with Syndegaard and others, I think they can put together a viable package. But I don't think that is necessarily the right move as the Mets' path to contention relies on their prospects having a lower than expected failure rate. There is enough missing right now that adding Stanton at the expense of all viable prospects doesn't get them where they need to be. But yes, I would definitely do Wheeler/D'Arnaud if the rest of the deal wasn't significant.
   28. depletion Posted: April 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4411325)
Said another Mets official, also not in the top tier of decision-makers: “If you could do that, you would have to. You trade the pitcher for the everyday player almost every time. Would you like fries with that?”
   29. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4411337)
This is absurd. The Mets aren't going to get Stanton, and they can't afford him. He's arb eligible next season, and he'll get more than the Mets have decided they can pay anyone, including the reigning Cy Young winner, who could have been extended for less than what GS will get. Stanton will leave the Mets as a FA in 2017, and the Mets will have traded players worth pretty much what Stanton is worth on the field in order to continue to win 70 games.

Beyond that, why the #### are we talking about this? If the Mets could afford Stanton, while giving up what would have been two keys to contending in Wheeler and D'Arnaud if everything breaks right, they'll also be paying Stanton what they'd need to be paying to keep Murphy and Davis, for instance. In short, it's much more like Stanton for Wheeler, D'Arnaud, Murphy, and Davis, with the Mets re-starting the cycle with whatever minor leaguers or guys making the minimum they can get for Murphy and Davis. In short, Stanton for D'A and Wheeler takes the Mets out of contention for the next several years unless payroll is going to at least $110m

This is simply the FO blowing smoke and smearing ####. Or,

In other news, I am monitoring Kate Upton. Up in a tree. With binoculars.


Yeah. That sounds about right for what this is.
   30. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 11, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4411345)
For anyone keeping score, John Buck has posted a .6 WAR.

They really, really, really should trade Buck. He's used up all his hits through July and is about to break.

His hitting is by far the most surprising aspect of this young season.
   31. Benji Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:06 AM (#4411438)
This again? All winter they would float these scenarios to hook some oblivious fans into thinking they were interested in anyone making more than the minimum. They never were really going after Upton or Bourn.

Whenever someone from the Met front office is quoted I paraphrase Mary McCarthy's famous statement about Lillian Hellman: "Everything they say is a lie, including the and and the the."
   32. MM1f Posted: April 12, 2013 at 03:14 AM (#4411460)
Can we get Giancarlo Stanton? Would we trade Zack Wheeler to do it?


LOLZ.

Why wouldn't you trade Wheeler for Giancarlo?

A better question is, would you trade Harvey and Wheeler for Giancarlo? I'd rather have the Giancarlo end of that deal too, though I suspect that would be too big a deal for either side to go for.
   33. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 07:36 AM (#4411487)
So, the Mets would listen if Giancarlo Stanton called according to the guy who brings Sandy Alderson his coffee? And they say journalism is dead...
   34. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM (#4411696)
What amazes me is that the Marlins haven't dealt Stanton yet. They seem to be determined to rid themselves of anyone with a speck of talent.
   35. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4411712)
What amazes me is that the Marlins haven't dealt Stanton yet. They seem to be determined to rid themselves of anyone with a speck of talent.

The thing is, trading four years of control probably isn't going to net the Marlins 4 times the talent that trading him with one year of control would return. So they are probably better off using their one star player to sell a few tickets and trading him before his last arb year.
   36. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4411926)
In other news, I am monitoring Kate Upton. Up in a tree. With binoculars.

You know, I missed this in the intro the first time I saw this, 20 or so posts back, and thought virtually the same line.
   37. spycake Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:16 PM (#4411962)
If this trade goes down, the Marlins should first trade him to the Dodgers for a week, then to the Mets. Call it the "Piazza rule".
   38. spycake Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4411979)
They wouldn't trade Wheeler for Upton?

Kate?
   39. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:28 PM (#4411987)
The thing is, trading four years of control probably isn't going to net the Marlins 4 times the talent that trading him with one year of control would return. So they are probably better off using their one star player to sell a few tickets and trading him before his last arb year.


Huh. True, this. Never mind a silly deal for Florida like two fine prospects for a Hall of Fame hitter entering his prime and just going into arbitration. You'd probably get that for Stanton's last year, projecting him for normal growth as a hitter. Throwing in two more, solid prospects, and that's what you'd probably get for Stanton now, meaning two solid, not great prospects for Stanton's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd arb years.

Excellent point, Pops.
   40. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: April 12, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4412099)
The thing is, trading four years of control probably isn't going to net the Marlins 4 times the talent that trading him with one year of control would return. So they are probably better off using their one star player to sell a few tickets and trading him before his last arb year

Are they really selling more tickets with Stanton than they would without? I'd have to think a deal for Profar, Olt and a 3-4 lower level guys would be hard to top, unless the Cardinals wanted to do it.
   41. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: April 12, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4412173)
I get that SABR types value Profar and Olt more, but do teams really think like that? Profar could fetch a premium, but doesn't the world think "it's all about pitching"? I could see a team preferring a package that includes Wheeler or a similarly regarded prospect.
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: April 12, 2013 at 05:21 PM (#4412225)
but doesn't the world think "it's all about pitching"? I could see a team preferring a package that includes Wheeler or a similarly regarded prospect.


The world might think that, not sure that gms think that, especially in regards to pitching prospects.
   43. formerly dp Posted: April 12, 2013 at 09:37 PM (#4412533)
They really, really, really should trade Buck. He's used up all his hits through July and is about to break.
John Buck and his grand slam demand that you eat your words.
   44. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:21 PM (#4412725)
Holy Canoli, there went August! Buck's up to half his rookie season RBIs in one eighth the PAs. He's leading the NL in RBIs.

I'd still be amazed if Wheeler and D'Arnaud would bring Stanton. Maybe Matt Harvey and D'Arnaud, though that would make more sense if the Mets had a 150m payroll. And pitchers.
   45. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:17 AM (#4412896)
I get that SABR types value Profar and Olt more

Don't most SABR types value Tris Speaker, Moses Fleetwood Walker, and the lineup construction of the 1912 New York Highlanders more?

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