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Tuesday, June 09, 2009

NY Post: Chipper no fan of Citi Field

I trust he’s not thinking of naming his daughter Wideopen.

Longtime Mets New York Mets nemesis Chipper Jones did so much damage at Shea Stadium that he named one of his sons “Shea” in honor of it. It’s safe to say the Atlanta slugger won’t be making any similar tributes to Citi Field.

Jones ripped the Mets’ new park in a recent radio interview, blasting the decision to make it play so big.

“It is the biggest park that I have ever played in in my life,” Jones told the show “Ripken Baseball” on Sirius XM Radio. “It is a huge ballpark to center and right center and right field. You know, I actually feel sort of sorry for some of the guys out there because their power numbers are really going to take a hit; guys like David Wright, [Carlos] Beltran, [Carlos] Delgado. The days of them hitting 35, 40 homers—they’re over.”

“I juiced the ball just right of center field as hard as the good Lord can let me hit a ball, and it hit midways up the center-field wall for a double,” he said. “And every time there was a long fly out or a double that hit off the wall or something, David Wright would run by me and go, ‘Nice park.’

Repoz Posted: June 09, 2009 at 10:47 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Phil Coorey. Posted: June 09, 2009 at 11:27 AM (#3210847)
Who would have thought? Two polar opposite fields
   2. flournoy Posted: June 09, 2009 at 12:14 PM (#3210861)
I'm tired of this sensationalist sportswriting. Chipper expressed that he didn't care much for the park, he did nothing to approach "ripping" it or "blasting" it.
   3. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: June 09, 2009 at 12:56 PM (#3210889)
David Wright. Loser.
   4. Hubie Brooks (Not Really) Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:18 PM (#3210902)
The "Good Lord" doesn't like people who leave their wives for Hooters chicks.
   5. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:26 PM (#3210908)
Longtime Mets New York Mets nemesis Chipper Jones did so much damage at Shea Stadium that he named one of his sons “Shea” in honor of it.

I always found that weird, if that's the true reason for his choice of name. Doesn't that seem to imply that he's intending to beat his son by naming him after a place where he "did so much damage"?

If so, needless to say he should have his children taken away...
   6. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:46 PM (#3210926)
I wish Chipper Jones would just shut the fcuk up and go away.
   7. Kyle S at work Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:48 PM (#3210929)
.331/.451/.567 this year. He's still got it!

I don't think he's going to get 3,000 hits, unfortunately. If he gets another 110 this year, he'll still have 560 left, which for him would take most of four seasons. Who knows, though - if he finishes 2012 with 490 HR and 2,900 hits, it would be awfully tough to not come back for one more season, assuming he's still healthy enough to play at 41.
   8. wjones Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:49 PM (#3210930)
I wish Chipper Jones would just shut the fcuk up and go away.

In time, Mets fans, in time. Meanwhile, at least the Mets moved to a stadium he apparently hates.
   9. Lazzeri Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:50 PM (#3210933)
I love Chipper Jones and his honesty. He's saying what everyone else thinks about Citi Field.
   10. bunyon Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:52 PM (#3210936)
So, back in 2005 would people have thought the next Mets window would close before the end of Chipper's career? :)

Who knows, though - if he finishes 2012 with 490 HR and 2,900 hits, it would be awfully tough to not come back for one more season,

But not so tough for the Braves to release him.
   11. Kyle S at work Posted: June 09, 2009 at 01:54 PM (#3210938)
But not so tough for the Braves to release him.

Only if he had worked his way back from some debilitating injury and hit 2 homers in his final rehab game in Gwinnett.
   12. Sam M. Posted: June 09, 2009 at 02:51 PM (#3211013)
He's saying what everyone else thinks about Citi Field.

True. But then again, have they looked at this?

New York Mets, R/G, road: 4.55
New York Mets/ R/G, home: 4.81

A real run-deflator, that Citifield.

New York Mets, HR/G, road: .55
New York Mets, HR/G, home: .69

A real home run-depressor, that Citifield. Yup.

Look, I happen to think the Mets need to make an adjustment this off-season -- right-center field is a touch too much of a death valley, and that left field wall could be brought down (both for the excitement of the potential HR-stealing catch as for the potential of more homers). But it doesn't need major changes. The Mets' power is down because their power is down everywhere they play, not just at home.
   13. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:03 PM (#3211028)
The Mets' power is down because <strike>their power is down everywhere they play, not just at home.</strike> they all stopped using steroids.
   14. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:09 PM (#3211037)
You obviously have the Mets confused with David Ortiz, NJ...
   15. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:12 PM (#3211044)
I hate it when hitters whine about pitchers' parks. It's the same for everyone - nobody gives a rat's ass about your stats.
   16. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:35 PM (#3211080)
The "Good Lord" doesn't like people who leave their wives for Hooters chicks.

Hubie, buddy. The last game of the Brewers series Jason Kendall stole second (he was not being held by Prado at 1B.) Joe Simpson went off on a little "you have respect Kendall's speed; he stole 20 bases in 1998." I looked at my wife and said "that was eleven years ago." This Chipper/Hooters thing is like that.

Seriously. Get over it. Everyone else, including his first wife has. A lunkhead baseball player who was getting paid millions before the rest of us were graduating college married his "high school sweetheart" before he knew what it meant to marry someone. It didn't work out. He moved on, married the mother of his kid and now has two or three more with the same woman. Fifteen years into it his second marriage is still going strong. Take the self-righteous blather elsewhere.

I love Chipper Jones and his honesty.

Chipper has become one of the most likeable players in MLB, bar none.

But not so tough for the Braves to release him.

If Chipper is plodding along hitting 250/300/350 while playing poor defense at 3B, they might. Especially if they had a stellar 3B prospect being blocked by his potential return. Of course, we'd hope that Chipper would hang them up rather than hold on for milestones - he's already in, he doesn't need the counting stats - and the Braves don't currently have anyone pushing him at 3B regardless.
   17. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:36 PM (#3211084)
“And every time there was a long fly out or a double that hit off the wall or something, David Wright would run by me and go, ‘Nice park.’"

That really doesn't bode well for Wright's long term future with the Mets. I mean, it's not like he's going to take less money to play in a hitter's park, but I'm sure the Yankees would bid equivalent to the Mets and their park doesn't really squash hitting stats at all.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:39 PM (#3211088)
Chipper has become one of the most likeable players in MLB, bar none.


Thank God that's settled.
   19. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:42 PM (#3211090)
Er...no, not likeable...what's the word? Ah, yes, despicable!
   20. JJ1986 Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:43 PM (#3211092)
That really doesn't bode well for Wright's long term future with the Mets. I mean, it's not like he's going to take less money to play in a hitter's park, but I'm sure the Yankees would bid equivalent to the Mets and their park doesn't really squash hitting stats at all.

Never going to happen.
   21. JPWF13 Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:44 PM (#3211093)
The Mets' power is down because their power is down everywhere they play, not just at home.


There not giving up a lot of HRs either
74 total HRs in Met games
1.3 Hr/g when the Mets play
the league average is 1.9
   22. JPWF13 Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:46 PM (#3211095)
I just want to see Chipper and the Braves suddenly break up on bad terms just to see Sam turn on him like Kevin used to turn on ex-Redsox players
   23. will Posted: June 09, 2009 at 03:59 PM (#3211114)
In Philly, when Citizen's Bank Park appeared to be too pro-hitter, some commentators said it would hurt the team long term, because 'they won't be able to sign free-agent pitchers", because they'd be scared of CBP being their home park. That never made much sense to me, as if it were true, wouldn't the team in a pro-hitter park reap the corresponding benefit of being very attractive to position player free agents. In the case of the Mets, I assume the park being pro-pitcher (if it is,and Sam M. at #12 suggests otherwise)would either have no impact on the team's ability to keep/attract free agents, or else any problem with hitters, would be off-set by increased attractiveness to pitchers.

In any event, I think where this gets interesting, is how a team selects its personnel--starting with the draft- to respond to how the home park "plays".
   24. Conor Posted: June 09, 2009 at 04:10 PM (#3211138)
The Mets are pitching very well in Citifield.

In Met home games, assuming my math is correct, there have been 221 runs scored in 26 games, for a combined total of 8.5 per game. There have been 274 runs scored in 29 Met road games, for an average of 9.4 per game. The NL average is about 4.54 runs per team game, so a little more than 9 runs per game total.

Anyway, more specifically on the Mets; they have scored 125 runs in their 26 home games, that's about 4.81 runs per game. They have scored 132 runs in their 29 road games, that is an average of 4.55. Not a whole lot of difference. So on the pitching; in their 26 road games the Mets have allowed 96 runs, for a total of 2.69 per game. They have allowed 142 runs in 29 road games, for an average of 4.89.

So anyway, obviously it is well too early to make any call on the stadium, but the overall numbers definitely show it is a run deflator. There have been about 10% fewer runs scored per game in games at Citifield this year compared to Mets road games. It is interesting that the majority of the difference occurs when the Mets pitch though.
   25. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 09, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3211140)
So on the pitching; in their 26 road games the Mets have allowed 96 runs, for a total of 2.69 per game. They have allowed 142 runs in 29 road games, for an average of 4.89.

I presume you mean they have allowed 96 runs in 26 home games, for an average of 3.69 r/g.
   26. JPWF13 Posted: June 09, 2009 at 04:33 PM (#3211164)
A real run-deflator, that Citifield


well so far it is, you are ignoring Met pitching H/R splits-
YTD its park fact is .90

of course not many games have been played yet so that could change in a hurry...
   27. Conor Posted: June 09, 2009 at 04:38 PM (#3211172)
Too late to edit, but yeah Russlan, you are correct. I can't type.
   28. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: June 09, 2009 at 05:16 PM (#3211215)
I just want to see Chipper and the Braves suddenly break up on bad terms just to see Sam turn on him like Kevin used to turn on ex-Redsox players

I pretty much lay out my scenario where I would "turn on" Chipper. If he's degrading the team's chances to win and claiming he should get a roster spot out of some wonky sense of geriatric entitlement, then I'll treat him the same way I'm currently treating Glavine and Smoltz. If he is still the best option in the system to play 3B, or if he is a good option and willing to be a better version of Greg Norton, I won't say a word. I'm a Braves fan. I want the Braves to field the best player available at every position.
   29. virginiasteve Posted: June 09, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3211223)
Chipper has cancelled plans to name his next son "Citi", indicating that not only does he hate the park but it would confuse things if he had to legally change his name to "Twitter" next year.
   30. Bad Doctor Posted: June 09, 2009 at 08:56 PM (#3211654)
In Philly, when Citizen's Bank Park appeared to be too pro-hitter, some commentators said it would hurt the team long term, because 'they won't be able to sign free-agent pitchers", because they'd be scared of CBP being their home park.

While many commentators mentioned it was too pro-hitter right off the bat, coincidentally, the first person I remember saying that the Phillies would be handicapped by not being able to sign free agent pitchers was John Smoltz, at the time a lifetime Atlanta Brave. And hey, why would a longtime member of one of your chief opponents lie about something like that, thereby harming your team?

I'm surprised Chipper didn't say the Mets won't be able to compete because free agent sluggers will see Citifield and run in the other direction ... I guess he missed that page in the Braves' handbook for slyly denigrating opponents.
   31. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 09, 2009 at 09:04 PM (#3211668)
Sadly, Wright has stopped hitting HRs on the road too.
   32. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: June 09, 2009 at 09:13 PM (#3211679)
I for one look forward to the inevitable "Wright wants out" meme.

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