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Saturday, April 05, 2014

NY Post: Davidoff: High cost of Citi visits helping to keep Mets fans away

the Mets — whose attendance has dropped each of the past five years — own the 19th-largest payroll in the game ($91,849,508) and they charge the seventh-highest price for a family experience at the ballpark. [...] At No. 19 on payroll and No. 7 on FCI, let’s call that a minus-12 rating, right? That ranks as the fourth-worst in baseball. Lower than the Mets are the Marlins (29 and 9, for minus-20), the Cubs (22 and 3, minus-19) and the Astros (13 and 30, for a minus-17). It’s no surprise the customer bases of those three teams don’t appear especially happy, either.

bobm Posted: April 05, 2014 at 06:41 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: attendance, mets, payroll

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   1. McCoy Posted: April 05, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4680138)
I would think the vast majority of all teams' fanbases do not attend baseball games so I think for the most I don't think their fans give a fig about ticket prices.
   2. Dr. Vaux Posted: April 05, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4680159)
Teams mostly draw over 2 million fans per season. How big do you think their fanbases are?
   3. Srul Itza Posted: April 05, 2014 at 11:18 PM (#4680160)
It is not the ticket prices that are keeping fans away from Citi.

It's the team on field.
   4. base ball chick Posted: April 05, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4680167)
LOTS of tickets are sold to corporations/charities/whoever - have watched Astros attendance figures since shttthead bought the team and DOUBLED the ticket prices. most games, there are somewhere between 2000 - 6000 fans in the actual seats. I was there when it was actually packed and I know what it looks like.

owners obviously don't give a dam how many actual people GO to the stadium. they no longer have to
   5. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 06, 2014 at 03:14 AM (#4680186)
BB Chick is right; it's all about fixed earnings. When you see a clip of Yankee Stadium on Sportscenter, the seats behind home plate often look like a bus at 2:00 am. But between the extra 50 luxury suites and the ticket price hikes, they're surely pulling in a higher money total despite the tumbleweed watch.
   6. McCoy Posted: April 06, 2014 at 08:10 AM (#4680206)
Teams mostly draw over 2 million fans per season. How big do you think their fanbases are?

Most teams sell around 2 million tickets. There's a difference.
   7. CrosbyBird Posted: April 06, 2014 at 09:15 AM (#4680221)
I bought a pair of tickets to last Thursday's game for $20 total on Stubhub. Outside of the Yankees series, there isn't a game in the next month that you can't get a relatively cheap ticket for (at most $15-20 per). Citifield also is a very intimate stadium even in the cheap seats and it's a great walking stadium with lots of good standing views.

If you want to go to a game, price is not going to be a serious obstacle.
   8. JE (Jason) Posted: April 06, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4680236)
It is not the ticket prices that are keeping fans away from Citi.

It's the team on field.

QFT.

Also, I have to imagine that the ability to use a credit card at every stadium kiosk makes the cost at the time of purchase a bit easier to stomach.
   9. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 06, 2014 at 10:00 AM (#4680238)
Outside of the Yankees series, there isn't a game in the next month that you can't get a relatively cheap ticket for (at most $15-20 per).

How much are the tickets for the Yankees series? I'm going to be in NY on May 14th and I've yet to see a game in Citi. Any Mets fans here have an extra ticket to that game?
   10. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: April 06, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4680261)
If you want to go to a game, price is not going to be a serious obstacle.

Of course this is completely true, but the perpetual whiny bittches don't want to have to settle for sitting in the upper deck to watch a Tuesday game.

The perpetual whiny bittches feel like they are entitled to have it all. They want to go to a Saturday night or Sunday afternoon game, sit directly behind home plate, watch superstar players on great teams earning 2014 salaries play up close, and they want to do it while paying 1980 prices for it all.

In other words, the whiners are completely disconnected from any semblance of reality, if not outright sanity.
   11. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 06, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4680269)
BB Chick is right; it's all about fixed earnings. When you see a clip of Yankee Stadium on Sportscenter, the seats behind home plate often look like a bus at 2:00 am.

Hell, in a sold out stadium on the Nats' OPENING DAY, the seats behind home plate within camera view weren't nearly half full by the time the 7th inning had rolled around.
   12. madvillain Posted: April 06, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4680274)
Citi is a long haul on the train for most nycers and in that city there are literally thousands of better entertainment options on any given day. When I lived there we were more likely to go to random Yankees games just cause it was a helluva lot closer to our part of Brooklyn. Maybe they should build the next field at Atlantic yards!
   13. Walt Davis Posted: April 06, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4680456)
Teams mostly draw over 2 million fans per season. How big do you think their fanbases are?

I dunno. How many full and partial season ticket plans does the average team sell? How many people buy tix for more than one game per season? How many tix are sold to tourists and conventioneers who don't really care who's playing?

How many people watch an average home game on TV or listen on radio?

It wouldn't surprise me to find that a large proportion of a team's fan base attends at least one game per season but on any given day, a vast majority of them are not in attendance. And that if tix are just too expensive, most fans would happily watch on TV.

Of course if you're in LA and you've got the "wrong" cable provider ....
   14. KingKaufman Posted: April 06, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4680484)
there isn't a game in the next month that you can't get a relatively cheap ticket for (at most $15-20 per) ... If you want to go to a game, price is not going to be a serious obstacle.


I disagree with this. I'm pretty good at finding reasonable tickets to take my two kids to the game in San Francisco. We can usually find seats in that $15-20 price range. I don't like to sit in the outfield but I'm not overly picky and am happy to sit upstairs, down to about 2/3 of the way down the foul line. We park for free on the city streets for night games, take public transit for day games. We don't eat meals at the game, I don't drink beer there. I let each kid buy one treat and a drink. Sometimes they split the drink. Sometimes, if it's really hot, I might buy a lemonade or something. It's rarely really hot. We don't buy souvenirs.

Between the tickets and the treats it's about $80. Add about 5 bucks if we take public transportation, which is discounted for them and free for me as I have a monthly pass. And for night games anyway, even though we're not buying our dinner at the ballpark, we're almost certainly buying it somewhere. There's no time to eat at home between school/work and gametime. So let's say that's supermarket deli-counter sandwiches, which it often is, plus drinks, all of which we can bring in, that adds another let's say $25. Even if I banned all treats—which for them is an integral part of the fun of going to a game—it would still be a $80-85 outing. With the treats it's 100 bucks or a little more.

That's a lot. I can swing it. My wife and I both work. We're doing OK. We take a vacation every year. But that's a lot of dough to spend on a night out that doesn't even include the quarter of the family that doesn't like baseball. We don't do it very often. We'd probably go once per homestand during the summer, plus a couple times in school months, if it were a cheaper outing.

For people who don't have a lot of extra money every week, that's a ton of money. They don't go to games. I'm 50. I have paid $1 for bleacher tickets in my ADULT lifetime. I have paid $5 for second-deck, non-outfield seats. There are people who are shut out of going to games, unless they are irresponsible with their money or they can get their hands on free or deeply discounted tickets, who were not shut out a few decades ago.

Edit: I'm 50. Not $50.
   15. Publius Publicola Posted: April 06, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4680486)
talk about missing the big picture. Isn't the Mets sucking keeping even more fans away?
   16. CrosbyBird Posted: April 06, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4680535)
How much are the tickets for the Yankees series? I'm going to be in NY on May 14th and I've yet to see a game in Citi. Any Mets fans here have an extra ticket to that game?

Right now, around $55-60 on StubHub. If you go to Mets-Yankees, leave lots of time before and after. Getting in and out is unpleasant.

For people who don't have a lot of extra money every week, that's a ton of money. They don't go to games. I'm 50. I have paid $1 for bleacher tickets in my ADULT lifetime. I have paid $5 for second-deck, non-outfield seats. There are people who are shut out of going to games, unless they are irresponsible with their money or they can get their hands on free or deeply discounted tickets, who were not shut out a few decades ago.

I just paid $10/ticket for a weekday game. That's cheaper than a movie (forget IMAX 3D, which is nearly $24/ticket). If $15-20/ticket makes a ballpark outing a ton of money, then practically any paid outing is expensive.

You should check out StubHub, though. If you're willing to go out a couple of weeks, there are SF home tickets for $6-7 against SD or Atlanta. That includes service fees.
   17. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: April 06, 2014 at 06:51 PM (#4680545)
You should check out StubHub, though. If you're willing to go out a couple of weeks, there are SF home tickets for $6-7 against SD or Atlanta. That includes service fees


Just picking a random Reds game... Wednesday April 30th vs the Cubs. You can get 2 view level (upper deck, section 535, excellent view of the big scoreboard) for $12 on Stubhub (I believe these are normally $14/ticket). The next section over, 536, is the start of the cheap seats. Going on to Reds.com and trying to buy those, they end up being $9.06 each. I may never buy a ticket straight from the Reds again.
   18. JE (Jason) Posted: April 06, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4680551)
You should check out StubHub, though.

I recommend aggregation site SeatGeek. (Think Kayak.)

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