Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, August 17, 2012

NY Post: Sherman: If Sox manage to make change, former captain a good fit

In the past, you would dismiss someone who was just a year out of the game with no professional managing experience. But the success this year Robin Ventura of the White Sox and the Cardinals’ Mike Matheny — both returning to old haunts as first-time-anywhere managers — is changing the rules. In addition, Don Mattingly is having great success with the Dodgers after never previously managing. ...

Boras’ threat clearly a factor in babying Strasburg ...

If that were not enough, this certainly sounds like an “or else” threat about what would happen if the Nationals disregarded [Boras’] counsel and Strasburg busted: “There is an ethical and legal consideration here,” Boras said. “Who is not going to follow expert medical advice? What kind of liability do you take on to ignore that?”

Boras has been obsessed with this since the Braves pushed his client, Steve Avery, to throw 828 1/3 innings between the regular and postseasons through his age-23 campaign — the eighth-highest total in that age group during the expansion (post 1969) era. Avery never had a high-caliber season again and was done at 29. Now some of the pitchers high on that list — such as Bert Blyleven, Felix Hernandez and CC Sabathia — have gone on to thrive and have high-level health. But the list is filled with a boatload of cautionary tales such as Dwight Gooden, Bret Saberhagen, Don Gullett, Jeremy Bonderman and Alex Fernandez.

bobm Posted: August 17, 2012 at 08:57 AM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: nationals, red sox

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Bruce Markusen Posted: August 17, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4210760)
All right, Avery threw 828 innings. Even if Strasburg continued to pitch regularly through the postseason, he wouldn't be anywhere near that total. This sounds like another overreaction from Boras.
   2. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 17, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4210779)
They should make Jim Rice the manager as he will bring THE FEAR the clubhouse so desperately needs.
   3. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: August 17, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4210786)
Am I missing something on Steve Avery? He was serviceable, but I'm only seeing 2003 as any kind of "high-caliber season" Looking at his career numbers nothing looks amiss, basically the same pitcher his entire career with one and a half good-great seasons.
   4. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: August 17, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4210788)
Am I missing something on Steve Avery?

They hype. You are missing all the hype.
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 17, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4210870)
Am I missing something on Steve Avery? He was serviceable, but I'm only seeing 2003 as any kind of "high-caliber season" Looking at his career numbers nothing looks amiss, basically the same pitcher his entire career with one and a half good-great seasons.


Avery was a former #3 draft choice, a lefty who had solid command and threw hard. He'd been good in the minors -- rarely dominant, but he was always younger than everyone else at his level. He had a rough first year at 20, then threw 444 innings with a 116 ERA+ at age 21-22. 1993 was the year everyone had always expected him to have. Then he started getting hurt all of the time and that was eventually it.

Another way of looking at it was that through his age-23 season Avery was better than Glavine (and Maddux) and maybe a bit better than Smoltz. Glavine had won a Cy Young and Smoltz seemed destined to win at least one, and Avery was better than they had been at the same age. You absolutely have to remember this when considering how people looked at Avery.

He had a good start to his career.
   6. Nasty Nate Posted: August 17, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4210893)
They should make Jim Rice the manager as he will bring THE FEAR the clubhouse so desperately needs.


Ole Wade Boggs can be his hitting coach as he will bring THE BEER the clubhouse so desperately needs.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 17, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4210908)
Ole Wade Boggs can be his hitting coach as he will bring THE BEER the clubhouse so desperately needs.

Yastrzemski would also be a good fit for that role.
   8. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 17, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4210931)
Am I missing something on Steve Avery?

It was also the delivery. It looked so smooth. Kind of reminded me of Jon Matlack.

It was like David Justice and his swing. They looked like superstars.
   9. asinwreck Posted: August 17, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4210932)
Hire Hawk Harrelson to replace Bobby Valentine! He played with Yaz AND has front office experience!

This must happen. Today.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

News

All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand


BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Sheer Tim Foli
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOTP 18 September 2017: Ex-Baseball Star Darryl Strawberry Criticizes Jemele Hill, Praises POTUS: Trump is ‘A Great Man’
(459 - 8:57am, Sep 20)
Last: Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant

NewsblogA’s preferred stadium site criticized for causing gentrification, killing waterfowl | Field of Schemes
(34 - 8:54am, Sep 20)
Last: Lassus

Newsblog‘Friends,’ the Sitcom That’s Still a Hit in Major League Baseball
(172 - 8:50am, Sep 20)
Last: Greg K

NewsblogOMNICHATTER ain't got no time for yo jibba jabba! for September 19, 2017
(64 - 8:46am, Sep 20)
Last: ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

NewsblogOT-NBA off season thread
(2396 - 8:46am, Sep 20)
Last: TFTIO, for one, is sick and tired of winning

NewsblogIf you’re the Red Sox, do you want to play the Indians or Astros in the divisional round of the playoffs?
(62 - 6:23am, Sep 20)
Last: Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle

NewsblogOT: New Season August 2017 Soccer Thread
(715 - 12:26am, Sep 20)
Last: ckash

Hall of Merit2018 Hall of Merit Ballot Discussion
(221 - 11:53pm, Sep 19)
Last: Bleed the Freak

NewsblogSafest Bet in Sports: Men Complaining About a Female Announcer’s Voice
(56 - 11:12pm, Sep 19)
Last: Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine

NewsblogTechnology Threatens Scouts, Could Also Set Them Free | FanGraphs Baseball
(7 - 10:48pm, Sep 19)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogBrad Ausmus' tirade about 'negativity' a bad response to reasonable question | MLive.com
(10 - 10:34pm, Sep 19)
Last: Wahoo Sam

NewsblogCarlos Carrasco And Trevor Bauer's Baseball Versions Of Their Cleveland Teammates, Ranked
(6 - 10:19pm, Sep 19)
Last: Wahoo Sam

NewsblogJosh Donaldson Wants You To Know: This Wasn’t A Catch
(22 - 10:01pm, Sep 19)
Last: Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant

NewsblogMatt Harvey Out Of Answers For Rough Season
(15 - 9:41pm, Sep 19)
Last: Walt Davis

Gonfalon Cubs15 To Go
(46 - 8:59pm, Sep 19)
Last: Walt Davis

Page rendered in 0.1493 seconds
47 querie(s) executed