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Sunday, October 01, 2006
As Joel Sherman runs the risk of being Jetered!
Yet, I do not think he is the AL MVP, in part, because if you are going to give Jeter points for intangibles, you then must subtract some for striking out when he was needed most, by failing to defend the often defense-less Alex Rodriguez. When asked about that, Jeter says that the media has no idea what he might have done behind closed doors. Fine. But Rodriguez needed full-view aid.
Jeter explains he consistently said Rodriguez would be OK and that the one thing he simply would not do is tell the fans to stop booing. Again, fine. But Jeter did not need to lecture the fans.
The fans would have gotten it if he were just more publicly supportive of Rodriguez. Think, for example, of how powerful the message was when Pee Wee Reese put his arm around Jackie Robinson in full view of the crowd. Rodriguez needed something similar from Jeter…
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Posted: October 01, 2006 at 01:41 PM | 49 comment(s)
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1. sunnyday2 Posted: October 01, 2006 at 02:02 PM (#2193256)Because he is subjecting Jeter to a criterion that he can't possibly use to evaluate the other players. I mean, how does he know whether Morneau maybe put his arm around the often defenseless Rondell White? Or failed to defend Kyle Lohse in the local press? He doesn't.
Stupider and stupider, says I.
Really?
Anyway, it really looks like Jeter isn't going to win the MVP this year, hopefully he picks up the batting title today and a ring later on.
And Justin Morneau is maybe half as a deserving as Joe Mauer. Uncool.
Morneau is a good choice, Maurer would be better.
Personally my favorite award is the Weasel of the Year to Carl Pavano by Bob Klapsich in www.northjersey.com
Jeter bet $173 to win $100
Howard bet $128 to win $100
I continue to admire Jeter for refusing to kowtow to media demands. I get a kick out of Derek continuing to provide the writers with his patented bland, innocuos quotes.
I agree with that, but I'd have no problem with Mauer. A .346 hitting catcher with a .934 OPS is a rare bird indeed.
I did not, TVerik, but I'll check it out. I do think he has decent reporting and writing skills; my primary beef with him is that he is too lazy to really provide insightful analysis on a day-to-day basis. Its much easier to simply run a fill in the balks story. You know..."The Yankees must go get <___________>". Or his 10th "Derek must speak out immediately" story every time Alex strikes out in the late innings of a close game.
Or Wang.
This team was gifted with a playoff berth from Spring Training.
So they were not on track to make the playoffs for the first four months of the year as a rope-a-dope ploy?
You apparently haven't been reading Sherman for the past five years or so. He did start out like you describe, but he has evolved into a thoughtful writer who understands sabermetric principles and makes an effort to incorporate them into his writing. He writes for the NY Post, so there is the occasional outlandish idea in his articles, but even those aren't completly batshit insane. For the record, I don't agree with his choice Morneau as the MVP, but part of the point of the article was to puncture the Derek Jeter/Superhero myth, or at least to point out and that Jeter's tepid support of Rodriguez hasn't been the utmost in Jayson Starkian leadership. I think that's a valid point.
Its a simple question to answer for anyone who watched all the games: injuries and mediocre pitching beyond Wang, Mussina and Rivera.
The real miracle is how they didn't lose 105 games with that pitching staff.
OK, that was BS, but when you've got one starter who's pretty much guaranteed to go seven, another with tremendous talent yet who is increasingly unrelible and will almost always need relief by the seventh, another who may not even pitch in the postseason, and then Jaret Wright, there is no way to call that team a cinch to win any 105 games. They succeeded as they did because of a great lineup, but also because the truth is that there are no standout teams in either league this year, meaning no teams with the sort of solid pitching that is necessary to qualify for that term. Right now the Yanks remind me of the Miami Dolphins of the early Marino era, capable of scoring at will but also incapable of stopping any other team with a decent lineup itself. IOW a crapshoot. If they played the 2005 White Sox they'd be toast, not to mention if they had to face their own teams from the late 90's.
Cano has all of 23 plate appearances in the #9 hole this year.
-- MWE
I continue to be fascinated by the belief that Jeter actually has something to say, but elects instead to provide his patented bland, innocuous quotes.
Perhaps it's better to provide bland quotes and rarely be suspected of having a bland mind, than to speak out and remove all doubt of one's blandness.
Checking at this. . . He's 7th in the league in OPS. His rough PA (Hits plus Walks) is 641. Five of the six guys below him have under 600. Four of the five guys below him have fewer PA. I don't see how he's as low as tenth.
I wouldn't vote for him, but I don't think he's an awful choice.
Jeter: I'm in favor of it.
Are you reading any sports section in NYC? Joel Sherman is possibly the only worthwhile thing about the Post. He's opinionated without being overly personal or biased, and he's always informative and uncommonly lucid on radio and TV as well. Compared to disgraces like Lupica, Sherman is a certified credit to his profession.
Also, if Jeter is renowned for his intangible, why can't he criticized for not defending a teammate in need? Otherwise, let's not pretend he's any kind of Captain other than in name only.
Win Shares:
Jeter: 31
Morneau: 27
EQA:
Jeter: .318
Morneau: .308
The Yankee scorer may make the first part of your dream come true. The last two days, Friday and Saturday, each game featured an undeniable fielding error that was cheerfully ruled a Jeter "hit." It's added 4 points to Derek Jeter's average, from .341 to .345, just a point behind Joe Mauer.
I don't know how friendly the Minnesota scorer is being to Mauer, but the Friday not-an-error was so egregious that even Michael Kay questioned the decision. Michael Kay. The man who, if he ever arrived home to find the entire Yankee starting lineup ravishing his wife, would talk about pinstripe pride.
In terms of criticizing, Jeter: criticize away. Jeter does not lack for criticism out here. Where he conspicuously lacks criticism is from current or former teammates who have all raved about his leadership qualities. Red Sox players have also been highly complimentary of Derek Jeter. The only ones who make the types of criticisms you talk about are certain fans... and columnists of the Sherman type.
I'm pretty sure Michael Kay is a bachelor. Before he switched from radio to tv he said on air, "I'm not only a client - I'm the playa president!"
Christ, it takes 2 seconds to look up a guy's name. Lazy.
Well, he should.
Christ, it takes 2 seconds to look up a guy's name. Lazy.
Well, down here we spell it "Morneau." But obviously, some writers think that, since Morneau's Canadian, the "our" rule must apply. "Colour," "flavour," "Mourneau." They're just trying to show some respect for his heritage.
What a horrible way to end the season. At least he finished it healthy...
Whoever wins the NL Cy Young, congrats to him.
But if they had had Ortiz they would have been better off. i.e. Ortiz is a better hitter who had a better year. So how in the world can Frank be MVP. Just by the accident of being in the right place? I don't think so.
+-----------+-------+------+------+------+------+------+------+-------+| Pitcher__ | _IP__ | ERA_ | _RA_ | WHIP | K/9_ | BB/9 | K/BB | W - L |
+-----------+-------+------+------+------+------+------+------+-------+
| Carpenter | 221.2 | 3.09 | 3.29 | 1.07 | 7.47 | 1.75 | 4.28 | 15-08 |
| Webb_____ | 235.0 | 3.10 | 3.49 | 1.13 | 6.82 | 1.91 | 3.56 | 16-07 |
| Oswalt___ | 220.2 | 2.98 | 3.09 | 1.17 | 6.77 | 1.55 | 4.37 | 15-08 |
+-----------+-------+------+------+------+------+------+------+-------+
>But if they had had Ortiz they would have been better off. i.e. Ortiz is a better hitter who had a better year. So how in the world can Frank be MVP. Just by the accident of being in the right place? I don't think so.
It depends on whether you feel that the MVP should be given to the player with the most absolute value or the most value relative to his team. Or the most value relative to a winning team. Or the most prorated value relative to his playing time on a winning team. Or the most absolute WPA-value relative to his team regardless of whether they're having a winning season. Etc. etc. etc.
This is simply not true. Morneau is 5th in the AL in win shares and two of the guys ahead of him play for the Red Sox and have no chance. There are four legitimate candidates, Jeter plus the three Twins guys. Of the four Jeter might be the best choice but it's close enough that legitimate arguments could be made for any of them. The denigration of one of the candidates without any reason is simply irrational bias.
CS didn't denigrate Morneau w/o any reason, he gave plenty of reasons. He might be wrong, but he tried. E.g., Morneau ranks well in win shares, but not VORP.
Also, you don't think "German Die" is a legit candidate?
He insulted The Jeter. End of discussion.
What do the Red Sox players having no chance have to do with Morneau's credentials?
Wow, baseball chick might be right. Oswalt might end the season as the most deserving NL Cy candidate.
ohhhhhhh
yes YES YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
between roy and webb and carpenter
roy has the ERA title, the most RSAA, the most QS, best K:BB, fewest BB/9 IP, fewest HR/9 IP, the best august and september when the going got tough
and the most important of all
the biggest bulldozer!!!!!
Is that some kind of euphemism?
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