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1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 07, 2011 at 03:50 PM (#4009097)Best opening to a thread all week. Well done, Retro.
Second thought: "Why would the Yankees want Jason Bay?"
Third thought: "We probably can't afford that trade anyway."
Fourth thought: "Ooh, I think the money would be equal!"
Fifth thought: *see second thought*
Sixth thought: "When AJ Burnett looks appealing..."
Seventh thought: "I should get back to outlining. At least I'm not thinking of the Mets."
Make it happen, Theo!
Hell - the Yanks can even keep their 8 million.
I will be very disappointed if Gio Gonzalez goes to the Yankees (because I like him so much). Although I keep seeing this rumor I have not heard who the Yankees have as trade chits. Do they have the prospects to land Gio?
What the Yankees used to be excellent at, was taking on unwanted contracts of players that are still good, but teams that were tired of paying the price. Abreu deal a few years ago was one in which the Yankees got him for nothing. Swisher too. There are many others.
I don't think Swisher qualifies, he put up a 92 OPS+ with a negative bWAR in 2008 with the White Sox before being traded to the Yankees.
The Yankees did take overblown onerous contracts off the hands of other clubs with some frequency in the aughts though. Kevin Brown comes to mind. Alex Rodriguez could probably be considered another.
I agree with this, but when they traded Sheffield, they got Anthony Claggett, Humberto Sanchez and Kevin Whelan. And I don't think they had to eat much, if any of the contract.
For Irabu they got Jake Westbrook, Ted Lilly, and Christian Parker. I don't think they sent money for that one, either.
In both cases the Yankees basically said "We don't want this guy any more" and another team stepped up and took the player off their hands.
That one worked out well for the Empire.
Well, yeah, but I think it was at least somewhat reasonable to view that as a fluke year, right? This was Kenny Williams buying high and selling low.
That one worked out well for the Empire.
But he made just 5.5 million in his first Yankees year. There should have been no hurry for them to get rid of him, The rest of the contract wasn't that unmanageable (8 and 10M plus a 13M option.), even if they were convinced his decline was permanent.
As a fellow Cubs fan, I could get behind this trade. Burnett would slide into the 5th slot and we can hope the change in leagues and scenery can at least make him into a league average pitcher. Plus of course, we won't have to watch Soriano's sorry ass anymore.
I guess, but that doesn't change the fact that we're talking about the trade of a guy with a negative bWAR, which really doesn't fit the description of "unwanted contracts of players that are still good, but teams that were tired of paying the price." That's all I'm saying.
Maybe the Raul Mondesi trade would qualify as well, not that he was tearing up the league when he was traded but he had a big contract and some upside, for which the Yankees traded essentially nothing.
We're probably descending into hair-splitting territory, and for that I apologize.
But to me, he fits the description perfectly. He *was* still good -- everyone except Kenny Williams and a collection of meathead Sox fans knew his 2008 was a fluke. But he was now an unwanted contract that the Sox were tired of paying the price on.
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