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Thursday, July 23, 2009

N.Y. Times: Buster Olney Answers Your Baseball Questions

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Q: What’s your favorite Rickey Henderson story? — Nann

A: Last spring, Rickey went on the ESPN radio show Mike and Mike and, one by one, he addressed the Rickey legends deeming them either truth or myth. He acknowledged that yes, in fact, he did frame the rather large bonus check (I think it was for $1 million) rather than cash it; yes, in fact, he did suffer frost bite in the middle of the summer because he fell asleep on an ice pack in the trainer’s room; and he acknowledged other stories.

The game is getting younger and younger and younger, which makes sense when you look at other sports like tennis and golf and the N.B.A. Part of the reason why this is possible is that I think young players have a much better sense of their own pitching or hitting mechanics when they reach the big leagues than they did 25 years ago. Recently, I watched a replay of Ron Guidry’s 19-strikeout game on YES, and I was stunned by how so many veteran players really had poor hitting mechanics and seemed to make fewer adjustments than what you see with hitters these days. The players are younger, and in some respects (but certainly not all), they are better.

A[n awards] vote based purely on a Sabermetric analysis would have its pitfalls… There was one year when a star player told a couple of writers that he would never speak to them again if they voted for a certain rival on their ballots, a situation that threatened to undermine that team’s clubhouse; and after confirming that appalling story, there’s no way I would’ve ever voted for that player for M.V.P., a situation that a SABR-like approach would’ve never addressed.

The District Attorney Posted: July 23, 2009 at 06:29 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 23, 2009 at 07:22 PM (#3264849)
Dammit!! I had some questions about Obama's health care plan for Olney.
   2. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: July 23, 2009 at 07:38 PM (#3264891)
Pfft. Talk about burying the lede, now we know from where Wrong Hole Buster gets his name:

Q
How did Robert Stanbury Olney III become Buster? — Dave

A
My great-grandfather passed away two days before I was born. He could never remember the name of little kids, so he generally called them all Buster. So after I was born, my Mom was feeling sad about him and happy about her new son, and so she started calling me Buster. Except for the first day of school, when the teachers shouted out roll call, that’s what I’ve been called ever since.
   3. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: July 23, 2009 at 07:57 PM (#3264931)
There was one year when a star player told a couple of writers that he would never speak to them again if they voted for a certain rival on their ballots, a situation that threatened to undermine that team’s clubhouse; and after confirming that appalling story, there’s no way I would’ve ever voted for that player for M.V.P., a situation that a SABR-like approach would’ve never addressed.

It's so freakin' annoying when journalists drop stories like this on us but won't tell us who the player is.

If it's really true, the guy isn't worthy of getting the respect of having reporters cover for him.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: July 23, 2009 at 07:58 PM (#3264934)
I'll bet it was Jeff Kent.
   5. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: July 23, 2009 at 08:08 PM (#3264954)
Incidentally, in fairness to Olney, he raise say later in the answer to the question that it is an ethical question whether writers should be voting for awards (and thereby making news) at all.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2009 at 08:12 PM (#3264972)
Incidentally, in fairness to Olney, he raise say later in the answer to the question that it is an ethical question whether writers should be voting for awards (and thereby making news) at all.


Yeah, to me that anecdote raises more questions about sportswriters voting on awards (which I've long felt is inappropriate, even though I relished my two years as a Heisman voter) than on a stathead approach to awards.
   7. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: July 23, 2009 at 08:29 PM (#3265022)
and after confirming that appalling story, there’s no way I would’ve ever voted for that player for M.V.P., a situation that a SABR-like approach would’ve never addressed.

The league leader in productive outs would never behave this way.
   8. Srul Itza Posted: July 23, 2009 at 09:10 PM (#3265126)
Incidentally, in fairness to Olney, he raise say later in the answer to the question that it is an ethical question whether writers should be voting for awards (and thereby making news) at all.


Or whether they should be helping managers fill out a line up card by telling them about pitcher-batter match-ups that they did not know about:

in the hours before an important game, I walked up to him and asked if he planned on using a certain player based on really great matchup numbers against a certain pitcher. The manager looked at me and said, “Wow, that’s pretty interesting.” He clearly hadn’t looked at the numbers . . . .The next day, that player was in the lineup.


Of course, he should finish the story by indicating whether the player had any impact on the game.
   9. The District Attorney Posted: July 23, 2009 at 10:15 PM (#3265214)
I'll bet it was Jeff Kent.
Neyer speculates that it was A-Rod pressuring reporters not to vote for Griffey in '96. But, Kent pressuring reporters not to vote for Bonds is certainly very plausible as well. (As is the other way around...)
   10. Melo's Love Handles (NJ) Posted: July 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3265228)
There was one year when a star player told a couple of writers that he would never speak to them again if they voted for a certain rival on their ballots, a situation that threatened to undermine that team’s clubhouse; and after confirming that appalling story, there’s no way I would’ve ever voted for that player for M.V.P., a situation that a SABR-like approach would’ve never addressed.

I don't get this story at all. How was the clubhouse going to be undermined?

Neyer speculates that it was A-Rod pressuring reporters not to vote for Griffey in '96. But, Kent pressuring reporters not to vote for Bonds is certainly very plausible as well. (As is the other way around...)

My reading comprehension appears to be on the fritz, but doesn't Neyer's article imply that Griffey stopped A-Rod from getting votes?
   11. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 23, 2009 at 10:47 PM (#3265245)

My reading comprehension appears to be on the fritz, but doesn't Neyer's article imply that Griffey stopped A-Rod from getting votes?


That's more likely. Rodriguez was practically a rookie at the time, and it's hard to imagine he had the juice to tell writers who to vote for.
   12. Swedish Chef Posted: July 23, 2009 at 11:00 PM (#3265257)
Also, it's A-Rod, if he did something like that it'd be in the papers the next day.
   13. The District Attorney Posted: July 24, 2009 at 12:30 AM (#3265323)
I don't get this story at all. How was the clubhouse going to be undermined?
Well, a guy trying to undermine his own teammate isn't suggestive of a team player. I do get that. I highly doubt that I would leave the best on-field player off the ballot altogether based on his having done that, but I do understand the argument (or the emotion, anyway.)

I wonder how many of the "OMG HOW DID THEY NOT VOTE FOR THIS GUY??" votes we see are based on similar stories that writers don't want to reveal.

(My problem with such votes is not the underlying concept of them, but the subjectivity, i.e., how do we know that the writer got the full story, that the writer doesn't carry a grudge of his own, that the team's play was legitimately affected... I do think this stuff exists, and if you could prove it, it'd be relevant. But I dunno how you ever prove it.)

My reading comprehension appears to be on the fritz, but doesn't Neyer's article imply that Griffey stopped A-Rod from getting votes?
Hmm, upon re-reading, it's a lot less clear than I thought. I thought it was A-Rod because he was the one who was closer to winning, and because Neyer says A-Rod still has a grudge against the two Seattle writers who voted Griffey 1st. But he could have the grudge because he tried to talk them out of voting for Griffey and failed, or because Griffey successfully talked them into voting against A-Rod -- could go either way. And I'm sure Griffey wouldn't be the first player to think he had a better shot at MVP than he actually did ;-)

Also, it's A-Rod, if he did something like that it'd be in the papers the next day.
Not in Seattle ;-)
   14. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 24, 2009 at 01:27 AM (#3265373)
I watched a replay of Ron Guidry’s 19-strikeout game on YES

it was 18, but who's counting?

(unless YES has figgered out how to digitally add a K)

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