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NY Times: Keeping Score: Also for Your Hall of Fame Consideration, Scott Boras

Whether [Boras] belongs in the Hall of Fame at all is, of course, the bigger question. I think he does. One of the biggest arguments in favor of Miller’s induction is that one cannot tell the story of baseball’s last 50 years without him. The same is true of Boras over the last 30, no matter how annoying that may seem to any number of people who love the sport.
bobm Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:46 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hall of fame, not written by jon heyman, scott boras

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   1. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4314901)
Heh. Yeah, sure, why not.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4314914)
I'm sure he'll produce a ridiculous binder supporting his candidacy in due time.
   3. LargeBill Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4314939)
Putting Boras in the Baseball Hall of Fame makes just as much sense as the idea of enshrining Miller. In other words: no sense at all.
   4. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:16 AM (#4314959)
but still more sense then Kuhn
   5. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:18 AM (#4314996)
If Jim Rice brought THE FEAR to major league baseball, Scott Boras brought THE ABJECT PANTS-BROWNING TERROR.
   6. Snowboy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:50 AM (#4314999)
The author owes me a new monitor.
And a new keyboard.
And a carpet cleaning.
And probably new shoes. And socks.
And [looks around] some new wallpaper. (Do they even make wallpaper anymore? Well, mine suddenly needs replacing, so the author better figure it out.)
   7. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 03, 2012 at 08:53 AM (#4315013)
Whether [Boras] belongs in the Hall of Fame at all is, of course, the bigger question. I think he does.


I vote for the guy who thought up all those online fees for buying tickets. He's brought the owners even more excess profits than Boras has cost them.
   8. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4315016)
Jon Heyman has a vote, right?
   9. BDC Posted: December 03, 2012 at 09:57 AM (#4315043)
To take this suggestion seriously, I'd have to say that Miller actively changed the business of the major leagues, with significant impact on competition and careers; Boras has just conducted business as usual in a successful way, without nearly as much influence on how and what we watch. I could be wrong, but that's my first impression. From #s 1-8 it seems like I'm not fixing to hear much counterargument :)
   10. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:00 AM (#4315044)
i would agree that scott boras deserves some mention in the hall of fame as it relates to how baseball has evolved over the years
   11. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4315057)
It's an interesting point, but there are a bunch of high powered agents who have gotten their clients insane contracts. Boras is the best at what he does, but I don't think his career is in the same ballpark as Miller's from a historical perspective.
   12. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4315062)
From #s 1-8 it seems like I'm not fixing to hear much counterargument :)
I was being serious insofar as not being particularly against it. Agents are part of baseball, so if Boras is the greatest agent ever, then he is a plausible HOF candidate.

I do think that there are non-players other than managers/GMs/owners/umps who should be considered more than they have been. Pitching coaches, writers, statistical reference website makers ;-)... and sure, perhaps agents. And I think it's clear that non-players aren't necessarily required to have changed the way the game is played; they can just be really good at their job.

It's hard, though, for me to worry too much about any of those guys when Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Tim Raines aren't getting elected.
   13. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4315088)
i would agree that scott boras deserves some mention in the hall of fame as it relates to how baseball has evolved over the years

So let's put his picture up there next to the asterisk ball. They'd make a fitting pair.
   14. Bob Tufts Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4315212)
Miller was a actual pioneer, so I vote "yes" for Marvin.

But since we've reached the Groucho Marx point with the HOF where Marvin would not have wanted to be a member of any club that would have him, I'm prepared to let that idea go.

What's next, a George Toma campaign for the HOF?
   15. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4315245)
Hey, Toma is the only groundskeeper whose name I know. If I'm typical in that, then yeah, that does sound characteristic of a Hall of Famer.

Again, I wouldn't particularly advocate for it, but it wouldn't bother me any either. Would it have been unreasonable to give Edith Head a lifetime achievement Oscar?

I'll tell you one thing, I'd definitely prefer inducting agents or groundskeepers to inducting more damn umps.

   16. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4315252)
Speaking of groundskeepers, do the Village People go in, as contributors to the game, for "YMCA"?
   17. GregD Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4315255)
Beach ball manufacturers
Digital scoreboard operators
The person who first played duh-duh-DUH-duh on an organ
the top 15 peanut vendors at each ballpark, including now destroyed ballparks
Every member of the Busch family, including people divorced from Buschs


In 2018, the HOF will follow Time magazine and put a display up that says, "This year's HOF inductee" above a giant mirror
   18. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4315261)
I'll tell you one thing, I'd definitely prefer inducting agents or groundskeepers to inducting more damn umps.


I think going forward umps should be easy to induct. Given the tools at our disposal we should be able to identify with some reasonable amount of objectivity who the good umps are and who the bad umps are. Maybe it already exists somewhere but information like "Dan Iassogna calls balls and strikes correctly on 95.8% of pitches, 4th in the majors" should exist.
   19. Gotham Dave Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4315266)
Steinbrenner is obviously going in, so as long as we’re letting ultra-successful total ######## on the business side of the game in, yeah, sure, Boras. I have no problem with it.
   20. Bob Tufts Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4315268)
Does Bob Sheppard get inducted - and if so, will Derek Jeter give the induction speech?
   21. base ball chick Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4315273)
why would boras get an asterisk?

   22. BDC Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4315275)
Would it have been unreasonable to give Edith Head a lifetime achievement Oscar?

Interesting analogy, though of course with the Oscars, the annual statuettes are more important than the lifetime awards, and Head had a closetful of them.

I'd be selective about non-players/non-managers; they'd have to have changed the game on the field via their influence, and few have done that. Chadwick. Landis. Rickey. Curt Flood, for that matter. (Both Rickey and Flood played, and Rickey was a field manager, but they wouldn't get in for those achievements.)

Though to whoever suggested a few threads back that the introducer of microbrews in ballparks should get a plaque, I am way down with that. We are still waiting for such a savior to come to Cowboys Stadium and rescue thirsty football fans.
   23. Bob Tufts Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4315328)
In the spirit of the late Marvin Miller, I have to note that Henry Chadwick called the first attempts by players to unionize as the formation of secret terrorist organization (per Lowenfish "Imperfect Diamond").

Perhaps someone like Boras should therefore be inducted as countweight to the ranting of Chadwick?

   24. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4315363)
The person who first played duh-duh-DUH-duh on an organ

Reportedly Eddie Layton. Although before Layton's baseball debut, Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble had already gone on shopping sprees while screaming "CHAARRRRRRGE IT!" after the duh-duh-duh-DUH-duh-DUH bugle call. The continuum of important culture is deeply complicated.
   25. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4315745)
With contracts being more or less public, it should be possible to construct models to rank the effectiveness of agents. Don't see how Boras could be advocated without support from something like that.

   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 03, 2012 at 07:30 PM (#4315801)
I'd put Miller in the HoF but wouldn't expand the non-player membership further by including agents. What next, lawyers?

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