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NYBD: Minaya to be Fired on Monday?

Matt Pignataro of Seven Train to Shea passes along information from an industry source that indicates Omar Minaya will be fired on Monday.

There was some thought that Minaya would be reassigned in the organization, but Pignataro believes he will be sent packing.

This shouldn’t be too much of a surprise since it’s been widely known throughout the industry that Jeff Wilpon was close to firing Minaya a year ago, but his father Fred felt Omar deserved another chance.

I am a bit surprised by this news as I figured the Mets would want to keep Omar in a

Thanks to Molly.

Repoz Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:08 PM | 59 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Chico Lind(and the Man) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:24 PM (#3651888)
If this is true, doe it indicate that Jeff and Fred have a successor all ready to go? Or will we be rudderless for a while? I'd like to see someone in place well before the GM meetings in November.
   2. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:25 PM (#3651890)
The Mets have had some bad luck with injuries, but as Ranch Brickey would say, "Bad luck is the residue of bad design".
   3. Frisco Cali Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:28 PM (#3651892)
It would be a sad day - for the rest of the NL East.
   4. RJ in TO Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3651900)
NYBD: Minaya to be Fired on Monday?

Out of a cannon and into the sun?
   5. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:39 PM (#3651902)
Out of a cannon and into the sun?

:) I've thought about that being a solution for nuclear waste -- but then I think we'd better not f*** with the sun. Unintended consequences and all that ...
   6. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:39 PM (#3651903)
If this is true, doe it indicate that Jeff and Fred have a successor all ready to go? Or will we be rudderless for a while? I'd like to see someone in place well before the GM meetings in November.


If you've been paying any attention to the Wilpons' modus operandi, John Ricco will be the next GM. They'll tout his knowledge of the organization and familiarity with the players, but the bottom line to them is that he'll work cheap and won't demand control and independence from Jeff's meddling.
   7. msilva177 Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:44 PM (#3651906)
From what I have been told, Ricco doesn't want the job

What about John Hart?

http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=29348
   8. msilva177 Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:44 PM (#3651908)
From what I have been told, Ricco doesn't want the job

What about John Hart?

http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=29348
   9. RJ in TO Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:46 PM (#3651913)
Or will we be rudderless for a while?

Given that they've been rudderless for the last year or so, what's an extra couple months?
   10. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:47 PM (#3651914)
From what I have been told, Ricco doesn't want the job


Interesting, if true. Any idea why?

Given that they've been rudderless for the last year or so, what's an extra couple months?


Because a ship without a rudder's like a ship without a rudder's like a ship without a rudder.
   11. Lassus Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:51 PM (#3651916)
I'm not even remotely convinced this is a good idea.
   12. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:53 PM (#3651918)
I've got to think the Mets job is a bit a tough sell right now. It seems like there is still some uncertainty over the club's financial situation, the Wilpons have a meddling reputation and other than Wright there isn't a "sure thing" on the roster.

Conversely it IS an MLB GM job and there aren't many of those available. Depending on the status of Santana, Beltran and Reyes they could rebound quickly and even a financially depleted Met team is probably in the top third of spending of all MLB clubs.
   13. RJ in TO Posted: September 30, 2010 at 02:53 PM (#3651919)
Interesting, if true. Any idea why?

I'm guessing here, but GMs who preside over hilariously bad teams rarely last long, and even more rarely get a second shot as GM. The Mets are already not great, have some ugly contracts on the books, are expected to be cutting payroll in the offseason, and have meddling owners. Ricco is probably more interested in a GM position where he has a real chance for a lasting career, rather than one where he's taking the role of immediate scapegoat for things far beyond his control. That description really doesn't match the GM position for the Mets.
   14. Chico Lind(and the Man) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3651934)
If you've been paying any attention to the Wilpons' modus operandi, John Ricco will be the next GM.


Even if Ricco does get the job, don't you think that he would be a Duquette-esque interim GM, until the Wilpons could get someone a little more respected? I mean, the new Mets regime can't be headed by John Ricco, right? That could never fly with the fans or the media.
   15. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:09 PM (#3651937)
Interesting, if true. Any idea why?

Maybe because of this:

the bottom line to them is that he'll work cheap and won't demand control and independence from Jeff's meddling
   16. Raskolnikov Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:12 PM (#3651941)
I think the biggest obstacles are Jeff Wilpon, the meddling, and the organizational structure. Otherwise, the Mets would pose a fun challenge for a creative ambitious GM - a large market team with financial constraints, a team seen to be at a non-contending level at this point, large media market, etc. There would be some leeway for creative decision-making for the next GM.
   17. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:14 PM (#3651943)
It would be a challenge, but I am willing to become the General Manager of the New York Mets. I'll even wear a suit to the office.
   18. just plain joe Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:23 PM (#3651953)
Out of a cannon and into the sun?


That, my friends, would be one hell of a gun.
   19. flournoy Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:25 PM (#3651957)
It would be a challenge, but I am willing to become the General Manager of the New York Mets.


Me too. They'd probably fire me as soon as they figured out I was just trading all of their good players to the Braves for nothing, but that shouldn't take long. They don't have many good players.
   20. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:25 PM (#3651958)
I'll do it, and I would even take a pittance salary, but I will not wear a suit.
   21. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3651959)
I wonder if Minaya is getting fired just as he is starting to become better in his job. There is hope with young players such as Davis, Thole. Lucas Dodo bird is starting to hit. Maybe Tejada. Pelfrey had a bad stretch midseason but was great in the beginning and pretty good at the end. At lot of year years free agent pitchers that he didn't sign like Marquis have been horrible. Signing Bay was kind of an unforeseeable bad decision while cross town signing signing Nick Johnson was a foreseeable bad decision. But on the other hand, his two managerial choices have not been very good and nobody in baseball his hired his previous assistant GM Tony Bernazzard.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:35 PM (#3651965)
Time for Howard Megdal to rise!
   23. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:35 PM (#3651966)
Lucas Dodo bird


No.
   24. SOLockwood Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:43 PM (#3651972)
Hire Jim Bowden! He's used to cleaning up the mess left behind by Omar Minaya :-)
   25. Swedish Chef Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:46 PM (#3651975)
That, my friends, would be one hell of a gun.

It would need to accelerate the payload to 29 km/s or so. As the entire acceleration would take place in the barrel it would be a somewhat less than comfortable trip.
   26. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:48 PM (#3651979)
As the entire acceleration would take place in the barrel it would be a somewhat less than comfortable trip.
In light of the fact that your end destination is the sun, the comfort of the trip is probably a non-issue
   27. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:49 PM (#3651982)
In light of the fact that your end destination is the sun, the comfort of the trip is probably a non-issue

I think this is the corporate motto of Continental Airlines.
   28. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:53 PM (#3651987)
I'm guessing here, but GMs who preside over hilariously bad teams rarely last long, and even more rarely get a second shot as GM. The Mets are already not great, have some ugly contracts on the books, are expected to be cutting payroll in the offseason, and have meddling owners.


The Mets have been horribly disappointing the last four seasons, but far from hilariously bad. And while there's no hope for them in 2011 beyond a surprising everything-breaks-perfectly wild card run, they have a ton of money coming off the books after the season - Beltran, Ollie, K-Rod and Castillo alone will account for $48 million in savings (assuming they don't let K-Rod's $17.5 million 2012 option vest, and even if they stupidly do, there's a $3.5 million buyout). And if Reyes is sufficiently bad or injured next year that they decide to cut ties with him, that's another $11 million off the books for 2012. Unless the Wilpons want to turn the team into a $70 million mediocrity, in which case they'll be hounded into the witness protection program by the press and fans, the next GM should have room to work some magic and show his stuff in 2012 and beyond. A 3-year deal to run the team from 2011-13 should be attractive to many candidates.
   29. Swedish Chef Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:56 PM (#3651991)
In light of the fact that your end destination is the sun, the comfort of the trip is probably a non-issue

Some of us would like to die with some style even if we are shot into the sun. Being compressed to a blob of organic matter is hardly stylish.
   30. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 03:59 PM (#3651997)
I think this is the corporate motto of Continental Airlines.
It was, but now that they've merged with United Airlines, they've switched to the more concise "Go #### Yourself"
   31. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:02 PM (#3651999)
I was listening to a Radiolab podcast yesterday where they played a bit of Neil deGrasse (whatever his name is) talking about how he'd like to die in a black hole. Basically as you approached the BH (feet first, I presume), your feet would accelerate more rapidly than your head, eventually snapping you in two. Then each of the halfs would bifurcate until you were a stream of atoms. Your atoms would be uncomfortable though, as they would be a lot more compressed than normal.

I'm guessing there are Mets fans you would like to propel Minaya towards that end.
   32. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:04 PM (#3652000)
I'm guessing there are Mets fans who would like to propel Minaya Ollie towards that end.


FTFY
   33. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:27 PM (#3652013)
rather than one where he's taking the role of immediate scapegoat for things far beyond his control


Maybe Obama will take the job.
   34. phredbird Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:51 PM (#3652031)
i'm tellin ya they are gonna to offer da job to joe torre!
   35. The Pequod Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:52 PM (#3652034)
Maybe Obama will take the job.

Well, he is good at making excuses.
   36. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:56 PM (#3652039)
I am a bit surprised by this news as I figured the Mets would want to keep Omar in a


Wow, way to keep us hanging there.
   37. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:58 PM (#3652040)
It would be kind of a hoot if Torre were the guy who got to fire Manuel after their little dust-up a week or so ago.
   38. RJ in TO Posted: September 30, 2010 at 04:59 PM (#3652041)
It was, but now that they've merged with United Airlines, they've switched to the more concise "Go #### Yourself"

It was a risky move, since it caused some brand confusion with the Delta/Northwest slogan of "We love to fly, and go #### yourself!"
   39. billyshears Posted: September 30, 2010 at 05:10 PM (#3652048)
I'm guessing here, but GMs who preside over hilariously bad teams rarely last long, and even more rarely get a second shot as GM. The Mets are already not great, have some ugly contracts on the books, are expected to be cutting payroll in the offseason, and have meddling owners. Ricco is probably more interested in a GM position where he has a real chance for a lasting career, rather than one where he's taking the role of immediate scapegoat for things far beyond his control. That description really doesn't match the GM position for the Mets.


It's no guaranty that Ricco ever gets offered a GM job - he's well regarded, but I don't think he's well regarded enough that he will definitely find an opportunity eventually. A GM job is such a scarce thing, I don't see how any rookie GM candidate turns one down.
   40. OsunaSakata Posted: September 30, 2010 at 05:25 PM (#3652062)
Even Frank Wren decided he rather take the year's experience with the Orioles before moving on to the Braves.
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 05:44 PM (#3652080)
Being compressed to a blob of organic matter is hardly stylish.


Are you saying John Kruk lacks style?
   42. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 05:52 PM (#3652088)
I haven't read that Ricco is not interested -- I have read that the Wilpons want somebody established, and therefore Ricco is not a candidate.
   43. depletion Posted: September 30, 2010 at 05:52 PM (#3652089)
Ricco is probably more interested in a GM position where he has a real chance for a lasting career, rather than one where he's taking the role of immediate scapegoat for things far beyond his control.

I'm with billyshears on this. There are only 30 jobs like this in the world. If Ricco hates the Wilpons so much he would have left already and the expectations are not too high for next year.
I understand Steve Spagnuolo turned down the Redskins head coaching job, but he was a very hot commodity after the football Giants Super Bowl win.
   44. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: September 30, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3652091)
And I too agree with billyshears -- nobody in Ricco's position would turn down the job.
   45. Greg Schuler Posted: September 30, 2010 at 06:35 PM (#3652134)
That, my friends, would be one hell of a gun.


Gerald Bull is not impressed.
   46. HowardMegdal Posted: September 30, 2010 at 10:05 PM (#3652298)
Time for Howard Megdal to rise!

I have made myself ready, and perhaps my chance will come.
   47. Lassus Posted: September 30, 2010 at 10:11 PM (#3652300)
I have made myself ready, and perhaps my chance will come.

How much are you willing to pay to keep your fantasy league stats buried? I'm reasonable.
   48. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 12:40 AM (#3652379)
#10 - shout out to Evan Dando and the Lemonheads. Been years since I thought of them.
   49. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:24 AM (#3652405)
A GM job is such a scarce thing, I don't see how any rookie GM candidate turns one down.


There were published reports of several assistant GMs turning down the chance to interview for the Pirates' job the last time it came open. Hahn and Antonetti were the two that I remember.

Pretty sure some guys turned down a shot at the Astros' job, too.
   50. Sam M. Posted: October 01, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3652467)
Instead of talking about GMs and other such stuff, let's talk prospects. So far, BA has put up its Top 20 lists for a few of the leagues in which the Mets have teams -- the GCL, Appy, NY-P, and SAL. Here's who made the lists and where they ranked:

GCL: Juan Urbina, LHP, # 6
Appy: Aderlin Rodriguez, 3B, # 9
NY-P: Cory Vaughn, OF, # 3; Darrell Ceciliani, # 11
SAL: Cesar Puello, OF, # 13

That's it. 5 players out of 80 spots in the four leagues combined. And only one of them, Vaughn, made the top 5 in any of the leagues. Not good. In the capsule reviews, they had pretty mixed things to say about Urbina (fastball tops out at 92, slider is at best a work in progress), and Rodriguez (doubted he could stay at 3B), but were more positive about the others.

The most controversial -- and to my mind, indefensible -- omission is that they left Wilmer Flores off the SAL Top 20. Here was Bill Ballew's explanation:

Flores has the ability to hit for average and his defense is steady on balls he can reach. The problem is Flores does not run well and has very limited range at a key defensive position. He's going to need to change positions, and with that position change his limited power will become a bigger negative. Flores is young (he turned 19 in August) and he plays easy with the ability to put the ball in play. In my mind, at least, the sum of his strong tools do not add up to an exceptional player at higher levels.

Nonsense on a stick. Nineteen years old, and the kid hit 11 homers between Savannah and St. Lucie this year, with 50 XBH in 554 ABs. That's not "limited power." That's demonstrated power potential. I think Flores clearly projects to be MUCH better than to be left off this list. And if he changes position to 2B because he doesn't have the range to be a SS, where's the negative?

So call it six players by any realistic estimate. That's still not great. The Phillies had nine, despite not having an Appy League team.
   51. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: October 01, 2010 at 04:55 PM (#3652777)
Nonsense on a stick. Nineteen years old, and the kid hit 11 homers between Savannah and St. Lucie this year, with 50 XBH in 554 ABs. That's not "limited power." That's demonstrated power potential. I think Flores clearly projects to be MUCH better than to be left off this list.

And ranking Puello above Flores is just completely nuts
   52. Lassus Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:02 PM (#3652783)
If the rankings suck anyhow, how is it some kind of indictment of the Mets that they don't have more players ranked?

Don't many many many many highly-ranked minor-leaguers end up doing bubkis anyhow?
   53. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:15 PM (#3652797)
Don't many many many many highly-ranked minor-leaguers end up doing bubkis anyhow?

Like Lastings and Fernando? </ducking>
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:36 PM (#3652808)
   55. formerly dp Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:48 PM (#3652824)
It's tough to evaluate the decision to let Minaya go until they name his replacement, but I'm with Lassus in that I think they could end up with someone worse at the helm. Jerry needed to go. I don't want Backman anywhere near the team, unless they're going to bring the whole '86 team in to run the organization. I would take Darling as GM and Keith as manager, provided they're still allowed to work the broadcasts...
   56. Lassus Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:53 PM (#3652831)
If Jerry and Minaya are out, Howard Johnson better freaking be gone, too.


Keith as manager

I know you're playing, but I'm pretty sure that Keith said during a broadcast in about these exact words that his life is too good to deal with that kind of lunacy.
   57. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3652837)
SAL: Cesar Puello, OF, # 13


Surprised that not one of Savannah's starting pitchers (Moore, Cohoon, Fuller and Rodriguez) made the cut.
   58. formerly dp Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:59 PM (#3652842)
If Jerry and Minaya are out, Howard Johnson better freaking be gone, too.

Agreed. I gave HoJo a lot of slack because I liked him so much as a player, but it's clear he's not doing the job for this crew.

I know you're playing, but I'm pretty sure that Keith said during a broadcast in about these exact words that his life is too good to deal with that kind of lunacy.

Yeah, I don't think he'd be very good at it either. Keith seems like one of the most carefree human beings on the planet, and fully aware of how lucky he is to be where he's at, given the life he lived.
   59. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3652860)
unless they're going to bring the whole '86 team in to run the organization


Would they consider Rick Anderson? He's an '86 Met (barely) and I've long been a fan of the Twins "throw strikes dummy" philosophy.

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