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Sunday, April 11, 2010

NYBD: Silva: Rob Dibble Accuses Reyes of PED Use

The Nasty Noise strikes again!

The big story from Citi Field today was the return of Jose Reyes and the highway robbery (again) of the Mets by Willie Harris. What might not be known, especially to those of us in attendance, was the accusations by MASN announcer Rob Dibble that Jose Reyes’s thyroid condition was a result of PED use.

I was alerted to this by a reader of NYBD via twitter. Upon returning to my office, I came across this blog post by The Yard Yack, which outlines the conversation:

Dibble joined the Nationals broadcast team starting in 2009, and has been leaving his mark ever since. For a guy who never played for the Montreal Expos or Washington Nationals, he is one of the biggest homers I’ve ever listened to on television. The guy constantly defends the team or berates other teams or umpires during broadcasts. When his partner Bob Carpenter (don’t even get me started on him) asked him if he’d ever heard of an athlete with a thyroid condition in reference to Jose Reyes, Dibble said something to the effect of “if he goes to Canada for blood running.” Basically, he accused Reyes of using PED’s on a baseball broadcast. Are you kidding me? That’s so unprofessional I can’t even comprehend how he mentioned that.

Repoz Posted: April 11, 2010 at 11:47 AM | 46 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. dejarouehg Posted: April 11, 2010 at 01:09 PM (#3499872)
Think what you want of Dibble, but does anyone really think Reyes didn't do PED'S? Dibble isn't a journalist.

Bonds has been (correctly) accused for years. As was OJ before his trial. Didn't Heyman challenge Sheffield to take a test years ago? Didn't Reilly do the same with Sosa? Are those not accusations?

The whole topic is tiring, but to think that speculating/accusing someone of it, especially when there is this much smoke, is out-of-bounds is absurd.
   2. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 02:19 PM (#3499890)
He said blood "spinning."
   3. phatj Posted: April 11, 2010 at 02:31 PM (#3499891)
#1, I never thought Reyes did PEDs. Did you? If so, why?
   4. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3499892)

Think what you want of Dibble, but does anyone really think Reyes didn't do PED'S? Dibble isn't a journalist.


The Nats broadcast team is just obnoxious. The negativity on the opposing team is amazing. They need to remember that in any given Nats broadcast, let alone a game against NY, the fans of the opposing team are likely to outnumber the Nats fans among their viewers -- because it's DC, because it's the Nats, and because of Extra Innings and mlb.tv. They're offensive, and it can't be helping them.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: April 11, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3499897)
#1, I never thought Reyes did PEDs. Did you? If so, why?

There have been a couple people who have implied or stated that Reyes must be using PEDs, and the reasoning generally goes along the lines of:
1) Reyes was being treated by Galea
2) Galea is being accused of providing HGH to his patients
3) Reyes was diagnosed with a thyroid problem
4) Certain types of thyroid conditions have been linked with HGH use/excess
5) Reyes doctors have elected to treat Reyes condition with rest, rather than anything more complex
6) A reason they might do that is if something external was throwing Reyes thyroid out of whack, like an external source of HGH.
7) Thus, Reyes must be using HGH, which is considered by most to be a PED

It's not exactly an airtight case, but there are a lot of coincidences in there that'll draw people's attention - especially if they're already interested in looking for potential PED users.
   6. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 03:07 PM (#3499899)
Thing is, 4 isn't really true. The likelihood seems to be that he had some weird kind of virus. And the notion that somebody young can't have thyroid problems reflects more than a fair amount of ignorance on Dibble and the other idiot's part.

EDIT: And by the way, for some of the reasons you list, I was quite worried when these reports started coming out over the offseason.
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 11, 2010 at 03:08 PM (#3499900)
That's interesting thing for him to say. Given Dibble's history, he has all the makings of being a roid-rager:

During his career Dibble often was known for his temper. After one game, he threw a baseball into the outfield seats at Cincinnati and struck a woman. He was also involved in a brawl in 1991 with Astros shortstop Eric Yelding. That same season he was caught attempting to throw a baseball into the back of Cubs outfielder Doug Dascenzo as he ran down the first base line. Finally, Dibble was involved in a locker room brawl with Reds manager Lou Pinella after a game. In a "turn back the clock" game against the Mets at Shea Stadium in 1992, Dibble gave up a walk-off homer to Bobby Bonilla, and was seen on national TV ripping the old timers jersey off leaving the field.
   8. Chris Needham Posted: April 11, 2010 at 03:36 PM (#3499909)
I'm utterly shocked that people would find Rob Dibble's commentary obnoxious and annoying. He's usually such a professional
   9. bobm Posted: April 11, 2010 at 03:48 PM (#3499912)
Rob Dibble is Mitch Williams without the class.

That said, the Mets were worried enough to send a medical chaperone with Reyes on his trip to see Dr Galea.
   10. fra paolo Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:14 PM (#3499918)
Send your 'Dibble is an ass' complaints via this web page.
   11. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:22 PM (#3499919)
There are actually people listening to Nationals's broadcasts? I am more shocked by this than I am about Reyes might getting PEDs by a Dr Feelgood.

But thanks to the sleeping watchdogs of Seligula and Fehr, we should be suspicious of all players.
   12. Chris Needham Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:39 PM (#3499927)
Hey now! There's a solid 9 or 10 thousand of us!
   13. The Lovesong of J. Alfredo Griffin Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:41 PM (#3499930)
But thanks to the sleeping watchdogs of Seligula and Fehr, we should be suspicious of all players.


You be suspicious, I'll just enjoy baseball.
   14. Rich Rifkin Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:42 PM (#3499931)
"Rob Dibble is Mitch Williams without the class."

Rob Dibble is Pedro Guerrero without the intellect.
   15. fra paolo Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:43 PM (#3499933)
Hey now! There's a solid 9 or 10 thousand of us!

Plus the radio audience. (Me)
   16. Steve Treder Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:44 PM (#3499935)
You be suspicious, I'll just enjoy baseball.

Me too.
   17. Chris Needham Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:47 PM (#3499936)
OK, make that 9,500-10,500!
   18. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:48 PM (#3499938)
Pedro Guerrero seemed like a nice guy. The "don't hit it to me ... also, don't hit it to Sax" story is awesomer than everything Rob Dibble has done in his entire life. The issue with Dibble is not so much that he's a moron, but that he's a broadly disagreeable human being.
   19. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 04:49 PM (#3499942)
Question for the Nats fans, and I mean this out of sincere curiosity, not as any kind of childish insult -- assuming you didn't grow up an Expos fan, do you really feel like a fan of the team? It's hard for me to imagine caring about a new team on a visceral level the way I care about the Mets because I've been following them since I was 9 years old.
   20. Chris Needham Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:03 PM (#3499949)
I grew up in NY as a Yankees fan, and, yeah, I've pretty much given up on them as any sort of curiosity. It's so much easier to follow the local team -- tv, radio, talk, etc -- than it is to try and follow something from afar. The internet certainly makes that easier, but it's the closeness, and the ability to wander down to the ballpark to see 'my' team that makes it easier to change allegiances.

I yell and cheer (mostly yell at this point) as much as I ever did as a Yankees fan. It's just that these games tend to mean quite a bit less than the Yankees' ones did ;)

Related to that, I think that first season help. They had the best record in baseball on July 1 (holy hell, that's hard to imagine), so the illusion of contention and meaningful games into September really helped hook a lot of people in.

Had they moved and had the last two seasons in that first year, things might be a bit different.
   21. depletion Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3499950)
Rob should reintroduce his face to Tim Teufel's fist.
   22. sister cristian guzman Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3499952)
It's hard for me to imagine caring about a new team on a visceral level the way I care about the Mets because I've been following them since I was 9 years old.


And have you learned to love anything else since you were 9 years old? Some Nats fans have been Washington baseball fans for decades, some are Montreal Expos fans, some were only casual baseball fans or not fans at all until baseball returned to DC. But most all of us can say we've been Nats fans since Day One, which is cool in its own right, and will be even cooler when the team wins its next World Series, in 2016.
   23. Chris Needham Posted: April 11, 2010 at 05:18 PM (#3499963)
What base number system are you using for your years?
   24. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:12 PM (#3500040)

And have you learned to love anything else since you were 9 years old?


Well, my wife, but it's hard to imagine meeting a new baseball team that makes me feel the way she does.
   25. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:14 PM (#3500042)
They had the best record in baseball on July 1 (holy hell, that's hard to imagine)

This really surprised me, so I had to look it up. The Nationals were at 48-31 on July 1, but the White Sox were 53-25 and the Cardinals were 50-29. They were closer on July 3, with them at 50-31, the White Sox at 54-26, and the Cardinals at 51-30. At this time, though, the Nationals Pythag record was only 41-40.
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3500066)
Question for the Nats fans, and I mean this out of sincere curiosity, not as any kind of childish insult -- assuming you didn't grow up an Expos fan, do you really feel like a fan of the team?


I feel like a fan of the Rockies, even though they weren't born till I was an adult. Watching any team for a year or two, getting to know all the players, is likely to turn you into a fan, no matter how old the team is.
   27. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 11, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3500104)

Well, my wife, but it's hard to imagine meeting a new baseball team that makes me feel the way she does.

awwwwwwwwwww
   28. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 11, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3500231)
7) Thus, Reyes must be using HGH, which is considered by most to be a PED


Your logic is impeccable until this point. Four hundred years ago your point 7 could have been equally valid as

7) Thus, Reyes must be a witch, which are considered by most to be the only reason other people are more successful than them
   29. Zac Schmitt Posted: April 11, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3500237)
It's hard for me to imagine caring about a new team on a visceral level the way I care about the Mets because I've been following them since I was 9 years old.


I don't know who your parents rooted for, obviously, but someone seems to have found a way to enjoy Mets baseball in 1962 and therafter.
   30. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: April 11, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3500239)
I feel like a fan of the Rockies, even though they weren't born till I was an adult. Watching any team for a year or two, getting to know all the players, is likely to turn you into a fan, no matter how old the team is.
That's pretty standard. I mean, when a team shows up in your area, you become a fan. That's how expansion teams work. The Carolina Panthers simply become the local favorite over teh Redskins (or Falcons). The Hurricanes are the local team, so people are fans.
   31. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: April 11, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3500240)
I don't know who your parents rooted for, obviously, but someone seems to have found a way to enjoy Mets baseball in 1962 and therafter.

Yeah, masochists and the mentally defective.
   32. tribefan Posted: April 11, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3500243)
The whole topic is tiring, but to think that speculating/accusing someone of it, especially when there is this much smoke, is out-of-bounds is absurd.
I would argue that it is out of bounds to bring up these type of things during a broadcast. If Dibble was hosting a talk show, then fire away, but I don't think during the game is the right time or place for it. Plus the only "smoke" is other random speculation in the media.
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 09:32 PM (#3500269)
Think what you want of Dibble...


Ignorant meathead, probably racist.

Oh ####, did I say that out loud?
   34. Sam DC Posted: April 11, 2010 at 10:09 PM (#3500291)
It's hard for me to imagine caring about a new team on a visceral level the way I care about the Mets because I've been following them since I was 9 years old.


Also, regardless of lifetime loyalties, if you're raising kids here, it's kind of natural to become fans of the local team as a family.
   35. Flynn Posted: April 11, 2010 at 10:20 PM (#3500298)
It's hard for me to imagine caring about a new team on a visceral level the way I care about the Mets because I've been following them since I was 9 years old.

Assuming you are from New York, your parents are too, and you got the Mets from one or both of your parents (admittedly a lot of assuming there), ask them.

The Mets are less than 50 years old, surely that's got to answer your own question.
   36. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM (#3500306)
Well, all teams started at some point. Neither of my parents were Mets fans, but (a) it was 1986 and (b) the whole town was Mets fans.

I merely ask the question because either (a) it happened some other way for Nats fans or (b) they're faking it.
   37. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: April 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM (#3500309)
I'm an A's fan. When Depodesta got hired by the Dodgers I found my first "favorite NL team". The fandom was forced at first, but it didn't take long for me to really care how the Dodgers did. It didn't match my A's affection, but it was a pretty solid fandom. So much so that even though I hate how Depo got shoved out and how much I dislike McCourt, Colitis, and Co., I think this year is the first time I can finally say I've shaken the Dodgers completely.
   38. Rich Rifkin Posted: April 11, 2010 at 11:42 PM (#3500324)
The A's are off to a very nice start. I think their series wins over Seattle and Anaheim say more about Seattle and Anaheim than they do Oakland. The A's still have a serious lack of power in that line-up and they are going to have trouble winning games when they can't put together 3, 4 and 5-hit innings. But Seattle, overrated due to a couple of pick-ups* on a team which wasn't good last year, doesn't look to me like a team which is going to contend for the division crown. Anaheim looks like vulnerable. I sense that as Kendry Morales goes, so will go the Angels. Also, Bobby Abreu--done?

I think it's Texas's division to win, but if the A's can figure out how to score the way they have in their first 7 games, they might contend with very good pitching and really good defense. Hopefully, they have a lot of cocaine in Arlington.

*Of course, Cliff Lee has not yet played. With him and King Felix, Seattle will look better. But by the time Cliff joins the M's in May, Milton Bradley will likely have poisoned the Seattle clubhouse and the fans will suddenly all be racists out to get poor old Milton -- and then he'll go on the DL.
   39. Chris Needham Posted: April 12, 2010 at 01:00 AM (#3500345)
Good catch on my faulty memory! I do remember they were 50-31 at the halfway point, and guess I carried that over to best record. It really is funny how hard it is to remember (or what your brain can convince you of) even a few years later.

I had drinks with Dibble one night. Strangely, he was about as nice a guy as you'd hope to meet. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't suck at this job.
   40. OsunaSakata Posted: April 12, 2010 at 03:30 AM (#3500388)
   41. drdr Posted: April 12, 2010 at 07:27 AM (#3500416)
Rich, all four AL West teams are close to .500 teams. I don't think any one of them can be predicted to be over 85 or under 75 wins. That means they are all contenders, not because they are really good, but because all are close and averagish.
   42. larkin4HoF Posted: April 12, 2010 at 07:46 AM (#3500417)
So Carpenter asks Dibble if he ever heard of an athkete with a thyroid problem and Dibble implies that it is a result of PED use. If that is true, doesn't that also mean that the lack of thyroid problems in athletes is proff that there is not any PED use in sports?
   43. villageidiom Posted: April 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM (#3500433)
Carpenter: Quiet, quiet. Quiet! There are ways of telling whether he is using PEDs.

Dibble: Are there? What are they?

Carpenter: Tell me, what do you do with PED users?

Mariotti: Burn!

Dibble: Burn, burn them up!

Carpenter: And what do you burn apart from PED users?

Dibble: More PED users!

Chass: Wood!

Carpenter: So, why do PED users burn?

...

Chass: Be... Because they're made of wood?

Carpenter: Good! So, how do we tell whether he is made of wood?

Dibble: Build a bridge out of him.

Carpenter: Ah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?

Dibble: Oh, yeah.

Carpenter: Does wood sink in water?

Chass: It floats! It floats!

Mariotti: Throw him into the pond!

Carpenter: What also floats in water?

Mariotti: Bread!

Chass: Apples!

Dibble: Very small rocks!

Chass: Cider!

Mariotti: Great gravy!

Dibble: Cherries!

Chass: Mud!

Mariotti: Churches!

Dibble: Lead!

George Mitchell: A duck.

All: Oooh.

Carpenter: Exactly! So, logically...

Dibble: If he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood.

Carpenter: And therefore--?

Mariotti: A witch!

Chass: A witch!
   44. Austin Kearns: The Spy Who Shagged Flies Posted: April 12, 2010 at 12:40 PM (#3500451)
I grew up in Maryland, so I was on O's fan as a kid. So, I'd say it's a combination of too many years of Angelos angst combined with moving to Northern VA that led me to root for the Nats.

In a strange way, the Nats have been interestingly bad, which is a step up from the recent years of uninterestingly not very good that the Orioles have been practicing.

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