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Sunday, October 31, 2010

NYBD: Silva: Sabermetric Mea Culpa

(enveloping R.Budd Selig’s scatongued voice here) “Murray Chass…you’re on the clock!”

Anyone who knows me understands two things:

First, I am very stubborn in trying to prove my point, sometimes going to great length. Perhaps its ego, but more likely the rush of competition, any competition, brings that out in me. Second, when I believe I am wrong, I have no problem setting the record straight and admitting culpability. That is why I have been taking a harder look at the sabermetric revolution over the last colander year and believe I was hasty in deriding the kind of information available today.

Why am I writing this now? Because Brian Cashman gave me the idea a couple of weeks ago in his interview with Mike Francesa on WFAN. Cashman has discussed at length how sabermetrics was a driving factor in obtaining Nick Swisher after the 2008 season. If not for numbers such as line drive rates, Swisher very well would never be a Yankees, something that clearly would have hurt the offense the last two years. When you factor in what they gave up (Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez, Jhonny Nunez) this might go down as one of the all time steals in Yankees history. The point is Cashman talked about how statistical analysis is one tool in the toolbox, and can’t be ignored. As he pointed out, every industry needs to evolve and sports are currently using the age of information to learn more about itself.

...If anything, a Mike Silva might be the best spokesperson for advanced metrics as an example of “the every man” who can live on both sides of the aisle. So if you don’t want to listen to me, then listen to the godfather and speak the language the masses understand. That’s when you will convert individuals like me.

Repoz Posted: October 31, 2010 at 01:47 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 31, 2010 at 02:36 PM (#3680383)
No one gives a ####
   2. Baseball-Birthdays.com Posted: October 31, 2010 at 03:06 PM (#3680390)
the last colander year


this article has some holes in it...
   3. T.J. Posted: October 31, 2010 at 03:18 PM (#3680395)
Perhaps its ego

Swisher very well would never be a Yankees

all time steals

That's in addition to "colander," those are just in the excerpt, and I've probably missed one or two! Wow.

(BTW, can anyone tell me why I can't sign in to BBTF on Firefox, but I can on Chrome and IE?)
   4. CFiJ Posted: October 31, 2010 at 03:26 PM (#3680400)
I read this as, "I was wrong, but everything I said was right."
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 31, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3680402)
a Mike Silva might be the best spokesperson for advanced metrics as an example of “the every man” who can live on both sides of the aisle


... or not.

The Buck Showalter/Gene Michael Yankees were very sabermetrically inclined, for anyone who was paying attention. They may not have had line drive percentage at their disposal, but they used what was available at the time.
   6. Unintentionally_Ignorant Posted: October 31, 2010 at 03:41 PM (#3680409)
#2 - I believe you strained to make that pun!
   7. Crashburn Alley Posted: October 31, 2010 at 04:01 PM (#3680416)
#6 - He just wants to make lotsa spaghetti
   8. Shock Posted: October 31, 2010 at 04:21 PM (#3680424)

(BTW, can anyone tell me why I can't sign in to BBTF on Firefox, but I can on Chrome and IE?)


Check your browser settings...make sure Firefox is set up to accept cookies.
   9. Jim Furtado Posted: October 31, 2010 at 05:31 PM (#3680444)
Re: Firefox problems

Try deleting all your Firefox cookies.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: October 31, 2010 at 06:09 PM (#3680461)
I, for one, welcome our new sabermetric overlords Mike Silva and Will Carroll.

With their story-telling acumen and "every man" personae, the glorious sabermetric revolution is nigh! (I assume this is what the Mayan calendar predicts for 2012)

Imagine how much the Mayans could have achieved if they'd also had the colander!
   11. shoewizard Posted: October 31, 2010 at 06:27 PM (#3680472)
It's a process.

Not everyone "gets it" right away. Anyone willing to learn and grow is on the right path in my book.
   12. Darren Posted: October 31, 2010 at 06:57 PM (#3680488)
What if they're willing to call you an idiot and then learn and grow but still maintain that you're an idiot? Gammons used to play this game pretty well too, WRT to stats.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: October 31, 2010 at 07:10 PM (#3680492)
This writing is atrocious.
   14. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: October 31, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3680504)
I don't know, but I'm not usually sympathetic to people who refer to themselves as "everyman". And who cares if people are converted or not? I just like learning and talking about baseball, it's not a religion. This whole thing has become ridiculous.
   15. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: October 31, 2010 at 07:45 PM (#3680511)
This thread reeks of anti-a Yankees bias.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: October 31, 2010 at 07:52 PM (#3680514)
I don't know, but I'm not usually sympathetic to people who refer to themselves as "everyman".

"The every man," actually.
   17. Tripon Posted: October 31, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3680516)
So its pretty much a given that most front offices are using some sort of statistical analysis. So why are the coaches, announcers, and baseball writers as a whole stuck in the 40's?
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 31, 2010 at 08:59 PM (#3680528)
Imagine how much the Mayans could have achieved if they'd also had the colander

it was actually the Mayans who invented productive outs
   19. Mark Donelson Posted: October 31, 2010 at 09:06 PM (#3680532)
it was actually the Mayans who invented productive outs

Was that their euphemism for human sacrifice?
   20. T.J. Posted: October 31, 2010 at 10:06 PM (#3680548)
Try deleting all your Firefox cookies.

Hey! That worked! Thanks.
   21. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 31, 2010 at 10:31 PM (#3680554)
Was that their euphemism for human sacrifice?


"Voluntary self-moritition".
   22. Tuque Posted: November 01, 2010 at 04:58 AM (#3681062)
#6 - He just wants to make lotsa spaghetti

My sensory organs did not deserve that, sir.

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