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Saturday, April 26, 2014

NYPost: “Current regime ‘tired of hearing about ‘86 Mets’”

To understand the underlying tension between the Mets’ current front office regime and the 1986 Mets, you only need revert to spring training three years ago in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

Paul DePodesta, then in his first months as the Mets’ vice president of player development and amateur scouting, stood in front of the assembled minor league staff for his first meeting and, according to a witness, dropped a grenade that still reverberates through the organization.

“I’m tired of hearing about the ’86 Mets,” DePodesta told the staff, according to the witness. [...]

As one of the ’86 Mets said Friday: “All those championship teams [DePodesta] played on at Harvard.”

Said another member of the ’86 Mets, referring to Alderson’s Oakland pedigree: “Those guys, the last time they had a good team, we were playing.” [...]

“If they would have come in here and turned this thing around, it might be a different feeling,” said a member of the ’86 Mets. “At this point they are still betting on the next roll.”

The same player questioned whether Alderson, DePodesta and special assistant J.P. Ricciardi have an understanding about the love affair between Mets fans and the iconic ’86 team.

“New York fans are the most passionate there are in the world and they take sports heroes to heart,” the player said. “There is an emotional attachment and I don’t know if those guys have that kind of history with the fans.”

bobm Posted: April 26, 2014 at 01:17 PM | 50 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 26, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4694793)
Adam West is probably a little tired of hearing about Batman, too. The difference is, there's not much he could have done about it these last 25 years.
   2. BDC Posted: April 26, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4694797)
Not as tired as the Cubs are of hearing about 1908.
   3. TerpNats Posted: April 26, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4694799)
In the early '90s, did Yankees people get tired of hearing about 1978?
   4. BDC Posted: April 26, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4694802)
In the early '90s, did Yankees people get tired of hearing about 1978?

I guess a lot depends on whether it's still the same people. Jerry Jones never tires of hearing about 1995.
   5. billyshears Posted: April 26, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4694813)
I'd like to think that any idiot could figure out that Depodesta's point was that he wanted this generation of Mets to become as successful and legendary as the '86 Mets so Mets fans have more than just that team to glorify. I guess I'm wrong about that though.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: April 26, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4694822)
“New York fans are the most passionate there are in the world and they take sports heroes to heart,” the player said. “There is an emotional attachment and I don’t know if those guys have that kind of history with the fans.”


Uggh....of course it was a player saying this about his profession, but their is no such thing as a "sports hero". Nothing about sports is heroic.
   7. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: April 26, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4694842)
If you're going to post news articles, please learn how to actually link to the article properly.

The original article is here.
   8. JE (Jason) Posted: April 26, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4694865)
Hey, I rejoice at thoughts of 1986 but it's also worth noting the awful NLCS loss to the Dodgers in '88 and five second-place finishes.
   9. Lassus Posted: April 26, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4694868)
Dear Mets:

STOP

WHINING
   10. Bhaakon Posted: April 26, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4694903)
Uggh....of course it was a player saying this about his profession, but their is no such thing as a "sports hero". Nothing about sports is heroic.


What about that time Jesse Owens punched Hitler in the nuts? (I think I'm remembering that right)
   11. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:03 PM (#4694911)
What about that time Jesse Owens punched Hitler in the nuts? (I think I'm remembering that right)


Or when Muhammad Ali fought an alien.
   12. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4694917)
I don't blame the current regime for feeling that way. If I were a Mets fan that's how I'd want them thinking. I'm sure it doesn't mean they hate those guys but they want to make their own positive memories.
   13. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4694925)
At least the 86 mets won something. Try having to constantly hear about a 92 win team that didn't even make the playoffs at the peak of their run which included 0 playoff appearances.
   14. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4694929)
Or when Muhammad Ali fought an alien.

An illegal alien at that. Boehner, get off your ass and do something!


What about that time Jesse Owens punched Hitler in the nuts? (I think I'm remembering that right)

Jesse who?
   15. JE (Jason) Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4694931)
FTA:
[Mookie] Wilson, upset he was never given an explanation for his firing as first base coach following the 2011 season, states he has become a “hood ornament” within the Mets organization as a team ambassador. He also gives his opinion of the Alderson regime in the one season he witnessed up close.

Actually, isn't the first-base coaching position pretty much a team's "hood ornament?"
   16. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:46 PM (#4694933)
How happy are we with the job Sandy and crew have done?
   17. JE (Jason) Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4694935)
How happy are we with the job Sandy and crew have done?

I'm pretty satisfied considering what they inherited. Imagine what Omar would have done with this club without piles of cash to throw away spend?
   18. Lassus Posted: April 26, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4694936)
I have a hard time believing the restrictions in payroll would have somehow been handled better by someone else.

I DO think the assessment of relievers has been abysmal, however, and I'm not convinced at all yet that this Granderson thing will work. It will be darkly hilarious if Abreu ends up outproducing him this year.
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 26, 2014 at 08:15 PM (#4694981)
“I’m tired of hearing about the ’86 Mets,” DePodesta told the staff

Unless he was dragging the 1986 World Series trophy behind his car in the Citifield parking lot, he's not doing it right.
   20. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 26, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4694999)
I've been underwhelmed with the way they've spent money. It hasn't been good and might end up downright awful if Granderson doesn't rebound.

I don't think they've drafted particularly well but I actually don't know enough to be sure.

They've made some pretty good deals. They've gotten good returns on Beltran, Dickey (D'Arnaud hasn't actually been producing and Syndergaard is a pitching prospect with all that entails), and Byrd/Buck.
   21. AndrewJ Posted: April 26, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4695002)
Or when Muhammad Ali fought an alien.

I think we're forgetting the greatest sports hero of them all.
   22. Rough Carrigan Posted: April 26, 2014 at 09:48 PM (#4695040)
Those old Mets players better cherish 1986. If not for coming back against the Red Sox they would be the poster children for wasting potential and could still be seen as that.

1984, up and coming Mets team loses a pennant race to the Cubs.
1985 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cardinals
1986 there's no pennant race. Mets win the division in a blowout and eventually win the world series.
1987 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cardinals
1988 there's no pennant race. Mets win the division in a blowout but get upset by the Dodgers in the NLCS.
1989 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cubs.
1990 Mets lose a pennant race to the Pirates.

You could say that only once in seven seasons did they win when they had a fight on their hands.
   23. JE (Jason) Posted: April 26, 2014 at 10:15 PM (#4695058)
1984, up and coming Mets team loses a pennant race to the Cubs.
1985 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cardinals
1986 there's no pennant race. Mets win the division in a blowout and eventually win the world series.
1987 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cardinals
1988 there's no pennant race. Mets win the division in a blowout but get upset by the Dodgers in the NLCS.
1989 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cubs.
1990 Mets lose a pennant race to the Pirates.

You could say that only once in seven seasons did they win when they had a fight on their hands.

That was pretty much my point upthread. Unlike the Braves teams of the 90s and early 00s, that Mets wannabe dynasty only won the division twice during that seven-year span.
   24. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 26, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4695062)
The Mets have always sucked. The Mets will always suck.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 26, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4695076)
You could say that only once in seven seasons did they win when they had a fight on their hands.

Or you could say that the Mets achieved as much as the Braves in less than half the time!
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: April 26, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4695092)
Of the three teams doing a major overhaul Mets/Cubs/Astros, which fanbase is most happy with the results so far?
   27. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: April 27, 2014 at 12:22 AM (#4695141)
Interesting question, cardsfanboy. Not a fan of any and I think it's fairly close.

The Mets have Wright held over and Harvey, which is the best start of the group. But the dropoff is steep, and after Wheeler/Noah/D'Arnaud/Mejia there's not much to get excited about.

Correa/Springer is awesome, plus Appel and Singleton, but Castro was the only long-term asset on the big club before Springer's arrival. They also have the first pick in the draft.

Bryant looks awesome for the Cubs, and Baez could well be too. Rizzo and Samardzija are assets. Castro's regression is still there, and the rest of the Cubs' system isn't great.

I think if you wanted to contend in 2015-2016, you'd take the Mets. With Wright aging and a pitching-centric talent pool, in the longer term I'd take the Astros.
   28. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 02:34 AM (#4695173)
Im pretty happy with the cubs rebuild. They have more talent in posotion players in the system than ever before. There a year or 2 away but still not too far off. And apart from the backend of tje rotation the starting pitching has been solid this year.
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: April 27, 2014 at 03:21 AM (#4695176)
Im pretty happy with the cubs rebuild. They have more talent in posotion players in the system than ever before. There a year or 2 away but still not too far off. And apart from the backend of tje rotation the starting pitching has been solid this year.


Not to be a grammar nazi, but that was a hard sentence to read. But I do agree, that the Cubs aren't far from being interesting.


Not a fan of any and I think it's fairly close.

From my point of view, which is as not a fan of any, it's also tough. I see a significant amount of people on here complaining about their teams and how the management is handling the changes, but it's tough to find a positive viewpoint on the actions of any of the three teams....for the most part, the most positive seems to be "ehh...it could be worse."

The Mets are the closest to being decent right now, but I have more confidence in both the Cubs and Astros in 2016 than the Mets..
   30. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:18 AM (#4695178)
At least the Mets celebrate winning the World Series whereas Milwaukee celebrates losing one.
   31. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 27, 2014 at 08:35 AM (#4695201)
The Mets have always sucked. The Mets will always suck.


Thank you for that brilliant insight and analysis. Blowhole.
   32. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 27, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4695222)
Worse? How could things be worse CFB? Take a look around Wrigley, we're at the threshold of hell!
   33. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: April 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4695255)
I'd like to think that any idiot could figure out that Depodesta's point was that he wanted this generation of Mets to become as successful and legendary as the '86 Mets so Mets fans have more than just that team to glorify. I guess I'm wrong about that though.


The'86 Mets weren't just any idiots... Dykstra, Hernandez, Backman...
   34. Gamingboy Posted: April 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4695258)
Adam West is probably a little tired of hearing about Batman, too. The difference is, there's not much he could have done about it these last 25 years.


Please, Adam West has made a career of making fun of himself over that.
   35. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: April 27, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4695286)
As an 80's Astros fan, I, too, am tired of hearing about the '86 Mets.
   36. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: April 27, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4695317)
'86 Mets. I remember wearing my Red Sox cap to the ticker tape parade in lower Manhattan. That was fun and strange. Instead of being hated, I was treated like a celebrity.

Whenever that nightmarish WS is mentioned I can't help but think of Ray Knight and his .391 / .440 / .565.

We could not get him out.
   37. cardsfanboy Posted: April 27, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4695322)
Worse? How could things be worse CFB? Take a look around Wrigley, we're at the threshold of hell!


I've said that about Wrigley for years, and Cubs fans take me to task for that. :)

   38. billyshears Posted: April 27, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4695344)
1984, up and coming Mets team loses a pennant race to the Cubs.
1985 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cardinals
1986 there's no pennant race. Mets win the division in a blowout and eventually win the world series.
1987 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cardinals
1988 there's no pennant race. Mets win the division in a blowout but get upset by the Dodgers in the NLCS.
1989 Mets lose a pennant race to the Cubs.
1990 Mets lose a pennant race to the Pirates.

You could say that only once in seven seasons did they win when they had a fight on their hands.


I take the point, but the Mets won 90 games in 1984, 98 in 1985, 92 in 1987, 87 in 1989 and 91 in 1990. And they had so many injuries to the pitching staff in 1987 that they tried to drag Tom Seaver out of retirement. Certainly with their talent, you would have expected them to win more, but life was different with 2 divisions in each league and no wild card.
   39. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: April 27, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4695350)
When do we get to be excited about Brandon Nimmo and his .500+ OBP?
   40. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: April 27, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4695354)
When he does it above A-ball and with a BABIP under .500
   41. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: April 27, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4695358)
A-ball players are off limits for joy?
   42. billyshears Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4695370)
When do we get to be excited about Brandon Nimmo and his .500+ OBP?


I'm waiting for 200 PAs (he had a similar hot start last year) and a bit more power before I start getting excited, but we can't help but be a bit pleased with his development so far.
   43. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 27, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4695374)
Dillon Gee has a 2.75 ERA in his last 190 IP. He's also allowed only 3 unearned runs in that time. Not bad for a 21st round draft pick.
   44. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4695427)
New York fans are the most passionate there are in the world . . .


I call BS.
   45. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4695435)
I call BS.

Complaining is passion.
   46. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 27, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4695446)
A-ball players are off limits for joy?

Just look back at the great career heralded by Pat Strange's 1999 season.
   47. toratoratora Posted: April 27, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4695500)
Whenever that nightmarish WS is mentioned I can't help but think of Ray Knight and his .391 / .440 / .565.

Whenever that nightmarish WS is mentioned I can't help but think of Gedman's f!@#$%g passed ball.

Well that and being one strike away seemingly forever.
And Marty Barrett, post season deity. I try not to forget that.
   48. JE (Jason) Posted: April 27, 2014 at 08:26 PM (#4695513)
Whenever that nightmarish WS is mentioned I can't help but think of Ray Knight and his .391 / .440 / .565.

Whenever the nightmarish 1988 NLCS is mentioned, I can't help but think of the Dwight Gooden fastball that Mike ####### Scioscia deposited into the right-field bullpen in the bottom of the ninth of game four.
   49. haven Posted: April 27, 2014 at 08:59 PM (#4695517)
I have a hard time believing the restrictions in payroll would have somehow been handled better by someone else.


really? i'm not sure anyone could have done worse. ok, maybe ruben amaro jr.

Of the three teams doing a major overhaul Mets/Cubs/Astros, which fanbase is most happy with the results so far?


you really think the mets are in major overhaul mode like the cubs and astros? maybe they should be, but i don't see it.....
   50. Kurt Posted: April 27, 2014 at 09:03 PM (#4695520)
Complaining is passion.


By that standard they'd still be behind Philly.

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