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Thursday, May 30, 2013

Oakland A’s players fume over tweet ripping Coliseum

Total Blam Blam strikes again!

Long-time baseball writer Jon Heyman riled up A’s players and fans with a tweet that was critical of the Oakland Coliseum.

Said Heyman’s tweet: “A shame the a’s and giants have to play these games at the coliseum while ATandT sits empty. #shame”

A’s reliever Sean Doolittle wasted little time in responding via Twitter, writing: “I can see why you don’t like it. We have a strict No High Horse policy at O.Co.”

...Heyman, who writes for cbssports.com, backtracked a tad after Doolittle’s tweet. However, Doolittle ramped up the rhetoric.

“Also, your Sistine Chapel that is AT&T Park forgot the bullpens when they built the stadium,” Doolittle tweeted.

Repoz Posted: May 30, 2013 at 05:24 AM | 59 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Flynn Posted: May 30, 2013 at 06:35 AM (#4455455)
So obviously Heyman is a douche and in the wrong here. Both games were sellouts and even if the A's controlled ticketing in San Francisco they would almost certainly have less fans in the yard.

But WTF is Doolittle talking about? Both teams have open bullpens. It's better for the fans anyway, since pitchers aren't warming up behind a fence. It's better aesthetically too.

It's also indisputable which park is better. The Coliseum is a dump. Mt. Davis is an abomination and it's so poorly maintained that a less than 20 year old structure looks as old as the rest of the stadium. The A's are responsible for not putting in a dollar more than necessary in maintenance, but it's an awful hybrid ballpark.
   2. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 30, 2013 at 06:43 AM (#4455458)
But WTF is Doolittle talking about?


He means it most literally. I've heard this numerous places. They literally forgot the bullpens in the plans.
   3. AJMcCringleberry Posted: May 30, 2013 at 06:54 AM (#4455459)
at O.Co.

Don't call it that.
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2013 at 07:15 AM (#4455463)
Having a shitty stadium is part of what makes the A's scruffy underdogs. The Giants used to have that vibe, too. When the A's do draw a big crowd--not often enough, I know--it's a great atmosphere. Heyman really is a mega gigantic douche, though. New stadiums are nice and I look forward to the A's having one, but how many amenities do you need to sit in a chair and watch a game? The Coliseum is fine.
   5. Lassus Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:05 AM (#4455475)
I enjoyed the stadium so much when I lived in San Francisco that I actually actively went to see American League games. About 1000 times better than Candlestick.
   6. depletion Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:18 AM (#4455480)
Having a shitty stadium is part of what makes the A's scruffy underdogs.

I can completely get on board with this. I preferred RFK to Nationals Park. Loved Shea, never been to CitiField. It isn't the opera. It's baseball.
   7. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:56 AM (#4455503)
Is the #shame hashtag really necessary, especially since he used the actual word in the tweet?

One of those little things that annoys me.
   8. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:01 AM (#4455508)
I have to say, I'm enjoying the kinda neat split four game series thing they are doing for the natural rivals games this year. Six games was always too many. But one series leaves out a park. This is kinda fun.

Of course, it does increase the possibility of a need for a split day night double header, but how awesome would that be anyway? 1 p.m. in Oakland, 7 p.m. in San Fran. 1 p.m. in Anaheim, 7 p.m. in LA. Wait, better make it 11 a.m. in Anaheim...

   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4455512)
the Oakland stadium has the great combo ability of being able to take the bart almost right up to the stadium entrance followed by getting off the train and buying an awesome seat at the window with no line.

I have told this story I don't know how many times but I bought 5 tickets for the game give game against the yanks the day of the game about 30 rows up behind home plate. that was great. didn't like the outcome but still, great.

and I saw another playoff game at Oakland where I sat second row back from the field next to the first base dugout for what I think was 25 bucks from a guy trying to dump his tickets.

Oakland is the best for great seats at giveaway prices and seeing an ok to good team. just the best
   10. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:37 AM (#4455545)
Is the #shame hashtag really necessary, especially since he used the actual word in the tweet?

One of those little things that annoys me.


Can someone give me a quick explanation of what the heck the hashtag is and what's its purpose? I mean, I get that it's Twitter, but is it supposed to be some sort of categorization? But from what I gather, you can just make up anything you want.
   11. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:52 AM (#4455561)
The hash tag serves multiple masters. The original use was just for searchability. So if I tweet about iPads, I could add #ipad and then people who search on that tag will see it.

It's also used for a variety of short-term verbal games. You might see "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Imperial Senate Debate About Tariffs #StarWarsBroadway", and then if you click the hashtag, you'll see other people's contributions. This format has also been applied to single-topic tweets, where you can make a joke out of the hashtag that reconfigure the way people read the context of the tweet.

Then there are straight-up hashtag goofs, playing with the format. Comically long hashtags that obviously aren't meant to be taken seriously, for example. Or when the last sentence of a tweet is a single word, it sometimes just looks better as a hashtag.

That's where this example comes in. No one's searching on #shame (and no one's filtering it out, either, which is another reason to use them), so my guess is that Heyman just wanted to do a little extra head-shaking at the end.

#semiotics
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4455567)
Then there are straight-up hashtag goofs, playing with the format. Comically long hashtags that obviously aren't meant to be taken seriously, for example. Or when the last sentence of a tweet is a single word, it sometimes just looks better as a hashtag.

That's where this example comes in. No one's searching on #shame (and no one's filtering it out, either, which is another reason to use them), so my guess is that Heyman just wanted to do a little extra head-shaking at the end.


I think this is such a lame played-out way joke/writing style, especially because people use it in places other than twitter.
   13. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: May 30, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4455569)
Can someone give me a quick explanation of what the heck the hashtag is and what's its purpose?


It means "This is Twitter, so you shouldn't have read what I just wrote."
   14. DL from MN Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:00 AM (#4455571)
I like the open concourses at O.co, you can stand in line and still see the game.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM (#4455581)
It's better aesthetically too.


I beg to differ there. It's the big leagues. The bullpen occupants need to be penned in. I never liked the open pen in MLB stadia.

   16. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:12 AM (#4455584)
When the A's do get a new stadium I hope they're smart enough to study the past. There's a right way to build a stadium (Baltimore, Pittsburgh) and a wrong way to do it (Miami). Pick a scenic location. Leave off the gimmicks. Design it to be a place to watch a baseball game.

I just looked Doolittle up and man is he kicking ass this year (small sample, of course). Unfortunately if he keeps it up he'll soon be the closer and then he won't get to pitch as many high-leverage innings.
   17. Flynn Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4455588)
He means it most literally. I've heard this numerous places. They literally forgot the bullpens in the plans.


Yeah, but he acts like this made the park worse, when in fact it made it better.

Though the visitors bullpen in AT&T is a really tight squeeze. It's more comfortable down the left field line, which is why I suspect the Giants occupy the third base dugout.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM (#4455593)
Unfortunately if he keeps it up he'll soon be the closer and then he won't get to pitch as many high-leverage innings.

Unlikely. Balfour has been lights out as well.
   19. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM (#4455596)
I didn't mean soon as in next month; more like soon as in next year. But still. If they both keep it up the A's will likely be in the hunt all year.
   20. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM (#4455600)
The Blevins/Cook/Doolittle/Balfour pen along with Lowrie and Donaldson have really carried the team this year. No one else is really doing anything of note.

Maybe the A's should hire Scott Boras to represent the stadium?
   21. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM (#4455644)
I just want to say that I think it's super cool that Bartolo Colon has only 4 walks in 61.1 IP. He had that game last year when he threw 38 straight strikes as well. I love that stuff.
   22. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:58 AM (#4455656)
I just want to say that I think it's super cool that Bartolo Colon has only 4 walks in 61.1 IP.

He's fun to watch. He throws almost all fastballs and has the best control in baseball right now. He makes the game very simple but complicated at the same time, if that makes sense.
   23. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM (#4455711)
I just looked Doolittle up and man is he kicking ass this year (small sample, of course). Unfortunately if he keeps it up he'll soon be the closer and then he won't get to pitch as many high-leverage innings.


Absolutely wrong. The closer's innings are almost always the highest-leverage innings on the team.

-- MWE
   24. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM (#4455722)
Don't you interrupt my ######## about closer usage with your facts, mister.
   25. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4455735)
That's what I do :)

-- MWE
   26. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4455737)
Amazingly Doolittle has a lower LI than Brett Anderson. I guess that was because of that relief appearance by Brett.
   27. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:13 PM (#4455864)
Also possible that because Anderson struggled so badly in most of his starts pre-stress fracture that he was constantly pitching with RISP. I'm no astrologist but that'll bump your LI, won't it?

I would like to enthusiastically cosign #s 3, 4 and 9 in this thread. I was just listing my favorite Coliseum memories yesterday in the Rivera thread. Yeah, the place could stand to be better maintained and maybe a little less institutional-looking, but on the whole its only real flaw is that abominable Mount Davis. Back in the day, it was a truly beautiful place to watch a game.

And I think we forget it's like the 4th or 5th oldest park in MLB by now.

Lastly, I prefer open bullpens by far. More interaction between fans and players is a good thing (unless Frank Francisco is around). I almost always sit down the first base line near the 'pen and the couple of sections up front get really into the "beeeeeOOOOOP.... BEEEEEooooop" thing when a visiting reliever's warming up.
   28. GEB4000 Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:14 PM (#4455866)
When I want to feel like I'm a million miles away from the action, I watch baseball at the Oakland Coliseum. Tightwad Hill above Memorial Stadium has a better view of the field than half the seats at the Coliseum.
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:18 PM (#4455872)
geb

Oakland does have a lot of foul territory which I suspect is what creates this effect for many of the seats
   30. flournoy Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4455888)
What is wrong with Mount Davis?
   31. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:32 PM (#4455894)
What is wrong with Mount Davis?

It enclosed the stadium and cut off what had been a nice view of the Oakland Hills. It ruined what used to be a very fun bleacher culture. The seats are really far away from the field now when they used to be right on top of the action. Etc etc etc.
   32. GEB4000 Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4455901)
Shooty forgot the concluding statement:

Mount Davis ruined the only appealing aspects of the Coliseum.
   33. flournoy Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4455912)
Oh, wait, so Mount Davis is not a literal mountain?
   34. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4455916)
Oh, wait, so Mount Davis is not a literal mountain?

Can't tell if serious...
   35. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4455917)
Click on the link I posted in [27], enjoy it for a moment, and then imagine somebody built an unusually ugly nine-hundred-foot-tall football concourse over all the good parts. That's Mount Davis.
   36. Nasty Nate Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4455928)
Click on the link I posted in [27], enjoy it for a moment, and then imagine somebody built an unusually ugly nine-hundred-foot-tall football concourse over all the good parts. That's Mount Davis.


I know what it looks like now, but forgot what it used to be like. Sad.
   37. A triple short of the cycle Posted: May 30, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4455930)
I agree with you all that the Coliseum is a perfectly fine place to watch a baseball game. It is only an 11-minute BART ride from downtown Oakland, where you can get your pre-game on.

The photo is beautiful though it was taken before football season started. Ken Korach: "Fly ball to centerfield... Rajai glides over and... hauls it in at the 40-yard line."
   38. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 30, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4455939)
17 - I think the point he was making had to do more with the "How the hell do you build a stadium specifically for baseball and forget a major part of that...perhaps too concerned with making corporate stiffs happy and comfy and not too concerned with crucial aspects of the game"

In fact, looking at the context, it really seems to fit. Because, I mean, how the hell DO you forget something like that???
   39. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 30, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4455951)
The Coliseum is an acceptable place to watch a baseball game, but it is also likely the worst stadium in the majors. I think sometimes we forget how shitty some of the old stadia used to be.

The bottom line is that if you really like baseball, you will go to baseball games and enjoy it regardless of stadium. What the Coliseum is terrible at is attracting people who are casual fans or non-fans, because it offers absolutely nothing aside from the opportunity to watch a baseball games (no beautiful scenery, no gimmicks for kids, terrible food options, etc.). Since most of the attendance at any game is non-hardcore fans, and even hardcore fans don't go to games that often alone (imagine pitching the Coliseum to a non-hardcore fan friend compared to AT&T), you end up without a lot of butts in the seats.
   40. zack Posted: May 30, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4455953)
I actually like the on-field bullpens as well, but I do think it was an excellent dig from Doolittle.
Pick a scenic location. Leave off the gimmicks. Design it to be a place to watch a baseball game.

Didn't they already fail at that, by moving to San Jose? At least it's near (what passes for) public transportation. Infinitely better than Fremont at least.
   41. Nasty Nate Posted: May 30, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4455962)
but I do think it was an excellent dig from Doolittle.


It was good right up until "O.Co"
   42. Steve Treder Posted: May 30, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4455964)
Didn't they already fail at that, by moving to San Jose?

Um, so far among the things they've failed at is moving to San Jose.
   43. Bhaakon Posted: May 30, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4456178)
17 - I think the point he was making had to do more with the "How the hell do you build a stadium specifically for baseball and forget a major part of that...perhaps too concerned with making corporate stiffs happy and comfy and not too concerned with crucial aspects of the game"

In fact, looking at the context, it really seems to fit. Because, I mean, how the hell DO you forget something like that???


They didn't. There's a big empty space under the right field arcade where they could move the bullpens if they wanted to. They don't want to.
   44. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 30, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4456187)
They didn't.


http://deadspin.com/5272773/why-your-stadium-sucks-att-park

Really?

Google it, please. It's fairly common knowledge....

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=82833

   45. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 30, 2013 at 06:29 PM (#4456193)
(imagine pitching the Coliseum to a non-hardcore fan friend compared to AT&T)


Does "It's cheaper" work?
   46. BurlyBuehrle Posted: May 30, 2013 at 07:44 PM (#4456244)
For those with experience - recently relocated to Bay Area from Chicago. Big White Sox fan. Considering attending one or more games this weekend at the Coliseum. But you hear LOTS of things about how you can't go to an Oakland game (Raiders or A's, at least) as a visiting fan/wearing visiting team colors.

I have sort of always assumed that Oakland has its share of morons, like any fanbase, but that it isn't anything to worry about in particular.

But, I would like thoughts from the gathering. Thanks in advance for anything that can be offered.

If it matters, I will not be bringing any children, but would likely bring the wife.
   47. Steve Treder Posted: May 30, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4456249)
The A's crowds (using the term loosely) are family-friendly, baseball-knowledgable, and will engage in good-natured banter, but would be extremely unlikely to harass a fan in the opponent's garb. (Especially -- please don't take this the wrong way -- White Sox garb. Nobody in the Bay Area gives a rip about the White Sox.)

Raiders crowds, whole nother story.
   48. Squash Posted: May 30, 2013 at 07:57 PM (#4456253)
then imagine somebody built an unusually ugly nine-hundred-foot-tall football concourse over all the good parts

That's really the thing. Mount Davis is so ungodly high and so completely out of scale with the rest of the park that even if it was incredibly beautiful which it isn't and wasn't blocking what used to be a fantastic view which it is it would still look ridiculous.
   49. BurlyBuehrle Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:08 PM (#4456269)
The A's crowds (using the term loosely) are family-friendly, baseball-knowledgable, and will engage in good-natured banter, but would be extremely unlikely to harass a fan in the opponent's garb. (Especially -- please don't take this the wrong way -- White Sox garb. Nobody in the Bay Area gives a rip about the White Sox.)

Raiders crowds, whole nother story.


Kinda what I thought. And definitely not taken the wrong way. I'm used to being a fan of "the other Chicago team." When we lived in LA, if I had a nickel for every time someone, upon learning I was (a) from Chicago and (b) a baseball fan, exclaimed "oh, you must love Wrigley Field!"

Well, you get the picture.
   50. Bhaakon Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4456271)


http://deadspin.com/5272773/why-your-stadium-sucks-att-park

Really?

Google it, please. It's fairly common knowledge....

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=82833


From your own links:

Not true, according to this page.

http://www.quora.com/Did-the-archite...-warm-up-areas

Quote:
I confirmed with the Giants via their Twitter account that this is not true. The architect did in fact design the bullpens that way intentionally:

"To answer your question, the story is just a story. Reliable source told me a good story, but only a story." - @sfgiants 3/22/2011
Reply With Quote
   51. Steve Treder Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4456272)
That's really the thing. Mount Davis is so ungodly high and so completely out of scale with the rest of the park that even if it was incredibly beautiful which it isn't and wasn't blocking what used to be a fantastic view which it is it would still look ridiculous.

Yes, it looks rather like a cartoon drawing from the grand old days of Mad magazine, or something. Not exactly an architectural triumph.
   52. WillYoung Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:19 PM (#4456280)
Should people with the same fandom as the Ligues really be worried about others posing a danger?
   53. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4456305)
The A's crowds (using the term loosely) are family-friendly, baseball-knowledgable, and will engage in good-natured banter, but would be extremely unlikely to harass a fan in the opponent's garb. (Especially -- please don't take this the wrong way -- White Sox garb. Nobody in the Bay Area gives a rip about the White Sox.)

Raiders crowds, whole nother story.


I haven't been to an A's game there, but, in the Raiders' Black Hole, I saw a woman who appeared to have Down Syndrome nearly attacked because she was wearing a Patriots jersey.
   54. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: May 30, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4456321)
When I go to Raiders games (about once every other year, and I can never figure out why) I always wear black and root ostentatiously for the home team.

I've been to roughly 80% of the Red Sox games in Oakland in the past 10 years and I've only had a problem once, and that was Game 5 of the 2003 ALDS and I was lugging a HUGE cardboard sign. Unless you define people loudly yelling "#### BOSTON" at you as a big problem. That happens pretty frequently. But that's well within the band of expected behavior, right?

In other words, agree with [47].
   55. Poster Nutbag Posted: May 30, 2013 at 11:32 PM (#4456527)
#50 - excuse me....need to go pull head out of ass and learn to read more good....
   56. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: May 31, 2013 at 01:24 AM (#4456582)
The A's crowds (using the term loosely) are family-friendly, baseball-knowledgable, and will engage in good-natured banter, but would be extremely unlikely to harass a fan in the opponent's garb. (Especially -- please don't take this the wrong way -- White Sox garb. Nobody in the Bay Area gives a rip about the White Sox.)

Completely agree. I've never seen anything stronger than "joshing"/banter in the stands at A's games, the last 10-15 years, anyway.

It's much, much worse at Giants games, especially Giants/Dodgers. I went to Kershaw/Zito a couple of weeks ago with my Dad, and three fights broke out in the stands (that I saw), more threatened, lots of drunk yahoos and people throwing things like food and cups of beer.
   57. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 31, 2013 at 01:42 AM (#4456586)
For those with experience - recently relocated to Bay Area from Chicago. Big White Sox fan. Considering attending one or more games this weekend at the Coliseum. But you hear LOTS of things about how you can't go to an Oakland game (Raiders or A's, at least) as a visiting fan/wearing visiting team colors.

I have sort of always assumed that Oakland has its share of morons, like any fanbase, but that it isn't anything to worry about in particular.

But, I would like thoughts from the gathering. Thanks in advance for anything that can be offered.

If it matters, I will not be bringing any children, but would likely bring the wife.


Before they had the tarp on the upper deck, there would often be packs of Raiders fans attending A's games dressed in Raiders gear -- it's a lot cheaper than Raiders games, that's for sure. It was totally fine to wear the baseball opponent's gear, but I definitely saw them on occasion heckle the #### out of people wearing Broncos and Chiefs jerseys (in a bad-natured way, although it never seemed likely to boil over into actual violence -- but certainly at Raiders games when they form the majority I'd expect some bullying).

Anyway, Steve is right on about wearing the White Sox jersey, you may get into some good baseball discussions (especially in the bleachers), definitely won't be harassed.
   58. BurlyBuehrle Posted: May 31, 2013 at 02:35 AM (#4456596)
Should people with the same fandom as the Ligues really be worried about others posing a danger?


Nah, I'm only going to watch the game. No plans to coach first base.
   59. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 31, 2013 at 08:02 AM (#4456627)
It's pretty sad what's happened to Raider fandom. In the 70's it was a real blue collar fanbase that was more like the fanbase of an SEC team and the players themselves seemed a real part of the community. Unfortunately, it came back from LA something much uglier and theatrical as if the mythos of the Raiders as a "tough" team with "tough" fans got wrapped up in the crotch grabbing machismo of gangsta rap set to a soundtrack by GWAR. Warriors and A's fans are pretty great but the Raiders...yech. And man, I loved the Raiders when I was a little kid. I used to buy my football cards at Jim Otto's liquor store!

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