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Sunday, July 22, 2018

Oakland lands Jeurys Familia from Mets for 2 prospects

The A’s, in the midst of an unexpected playoff push, have acquired reliever Jeurys Familia from the Mets. In return, the Mets will receive third baseman Will Toffey, Oakland’s 17th-ranked prospect, and Minor League reliever Bobby Wahl. The Mets will also receive $1 million in international slot money as part of the deal.

spanx for the memories Posted: July 22, 2018 at 08:47 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Adam Starblind Posted: July 22, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5713738)
2 lotto tickets and some money is all they could reasonably expect for a second-tier reliever.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 22, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5713753)
2 lotto tickets and some money is all they could reasonably expect for a second-tier reliever.

Then how the heck did SD get a top-25 prospect for a 2nd tier reliever and a 4th tier reliever?
   3. PreservedFish Posted: July 22, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5713796)
Keith Law:

"If the New York Mets are just going to trade their most valuable major league assets for salary relief, rather than to try to improve the club, then it's time for MLB to step in and force the Wilpons to sell the team, just as the league did with Frank McCourt and the Dodgers. Trading Jeurys Familia for two fringe-at-best prospects is not how any team, regardless of payroll level, should operate in this environment. For a franchise that operates in the largest market in the league to do this -- and do so 10 days before the trade deadline rather than waiting for someone to offer a legitimate return -- is embarrassing for the Mets and for Major League Baseball as a whole."


   4. BDC Posted: July 22, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5713799)
Trading Jeurys Familia for two fringe-at-best prospects

Well, trading a few weeks of Jeurys Familia. Impending free agency is always going to reduce the return in a trade.
   5. manchestermets Posted: July 22, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5713803)
Just to clarify, are the Mets actually getting $1 million, or simply the right to spend $1 million?
   6. Captain Supporter Posted: July 22, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5713869)
"If the New York Mets are just going to trade their most valuable major league assets for salary relief, rather than to try to improve the club, then it's time for MLB to step in and force the Wilpons to sell the team


When I read this the word 'imbecile' came immediately into my mind, and just to clarify that thought for unbalanced Met fans, I'm referring to Keith Law, not Fred Wilpon.
   7. spycake Posted: July 22, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5713873)
Just to clarify, are the Mets actually getting $1 million, or simply the right to spend $1 million?


Just the right to spend it. Cap room, if you will.
   8. manchestermets Posted: July 22, 2018 at 06:11 PM (#5713878)
In other Mets news, Syndegaard is on the DL with foot and mouth disease. #contractthemets
   9. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 22, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5713911)
Hand, foot and mouth disease. The virus of babies, not livestock.
   10. A triple short of the cycle Posted: July 23, 2018 at 12:32 AM (#5713928)
I wonder if they talked about deGrom too. Probably did right? Can easily imagine who the Met's or anyone would want from the A's farm.
   11. formerly dp Posted: July 23, 2018 at 08:37 AM (#5713962)
This team is a colossal mess--getting such a terrible return for Familia is really inexcusable, and maybe partly attributable to the fact that they've essentially got split leadership in the GM position right now. The Cespedes Situation is now entering its third day with no formal statement from management about how they missed the heel injury for all these years--and did DL him in advance of last night's game, leaving Callaway a man short again. Jose Reyes was slated to start at 2B. I know Cecchini has defensive issues, but he's got to be better with the bat & glove than Reyes. Jose's hitting .177/.256/.241 overall--and they've still given him 15 starts in the last month, during which he's gone .197/.279/.262. It's an absolute shitshow.
   12. Spahn Insane Posted: July 23, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5713966)
Jose's hitting .177/.256/.241 overall--and they've still given him 15 starts in the last month, during which he's gone .197/.279/.262.

So, a .497 OPS overall--but .541 in the last month. He's just finding his stride!

(Seriously--a .497 OPS? Dude.)
   13. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:06 AM (#5713971)
The patient is dying? More bloodletting is our best approach.
   14. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5713973)
This team is such a mess.
   15. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:10 AM (#5713975)
The patient is dying? More bloodletting is our best approach.


Leeches balance the ill humours!
   16. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:23 AM (#5713981)
Yeesh, I figured maybe Familia lost his closer job or something but he looks like pretty much the same reliever he was prior to the suspension. K-rate, BB rate, HR stinginess, FIP... I know it's basically a 60 game rental, but this return looks like less they'd have gotten via a QO even with the CBA changes.

I'm mildly perturbed the Cubs weren't in on this just to stockpile another arm for the pen.

   17. formerly dp Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5713984)
Zonk: that's what's so frustrating about this deal--he's been really solid this year (Familia will always go through a rough patch or two during the season), and they got essentially nothing coming back for him. The reliever's old, and the third baseman can't hit. Just the worst.

I was probably among the last holdouts to suggest some patience with Reyes, given that he was one of the club's best hitters from 4/27 on last year (.267/.333/.457). But that guy hasn't shown up for even a week this year. With Frazier on the DL & Flores playing 1B, they don't have a ton of better options (they've been playing Bautista at 3B ffs)...but that indicates a failure at the top more than anything.
   18. dlf Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:40 AM (#5713987)
ut this return looks like less they'd have gotten via a QO even with the CBA changes.


How much is the QO for a reliever and would you be willing to risk the chance he takes it?
   19. bfan Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5713989)
But just to be clear here, for those that think or write that the Mets should "act like a big market team" which, when boiled down its essence, is "buy more high-end free agents", you have as Exhibit "A" Cespedes, who will ring up an exciting 5.9 WAR over the first 3 years of his Mets career, while collecting $79 million dollars. If he is impacted next year (a 10-12 month recovery from surgery would certainly suggest so), then there is another $29 million down the rat-hole.

Of course, spend smarter is very good advice, but just not very helpful.
   20. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5713993)
Zonk: that's what's so frustrating about this deal--he's been really solid this year (Familia will always go through a rough patch or two during the season), and they got essentially nothing coming back for him. The reliever's old, and the third baseman can't hit. Just the worst.


Are the finances in such bad shape that a QO wasn't on the table?

17-18 mil is probably a bit of an overpay had he accepted, but not terribly so (and he's probably tradeable even at that salary if it's only for a year)... and assuming nothing goes wrong physically, I would think Familia would have turned it down in search of a multiyear deal.

The trade market for rentals has clearly moved in the direction of a buyer's market the last few years but I'm not sure it's moved THIS much.
   21. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5713995)
But just to be clear here, for those that think or write that the Mets should "act like a big market team" which, when boiled down its essence, is "buy more high-end free agents"


"Send more revenue sharing."
   22. manchestermets Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5713996)
But just to be clear here, for those that think or write that the Mets should "act like a big market team" which, when boiled down its essence, is "buy more high-end free agents", you have as Exhibit "A" Cespedes, who will ring up an exciting 5.9 WAR over the first 3 years of his Mets career, while collecting $79 million dollars. If he is impacted next year (a 10-12 month recovery from surgery would certainly suggest so), then there is another $29 million down the rat-hole.


Acting like a big market team might also include employing some suitably qualified medical staff, that's certainly true.
   23. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5713998)
How much is the QO for a reliever and would you be willing to risk the chance he takes it?


So long as there's nothing physical - I would have (assuming the 17-18 mil above is correct). That's certainly more than you'd want to pay him - I think it would make him the 3rd highest paid reliever after Chapman and Melancon, with Davis 4th at 16 mil.

But - it's just a year, you could still try to flip him again mid-2019. If he were 33, I might be more trepidatious - but at 28? I'd feel relatively sure he'd be looking for a 3-4-etc year deal and turn it down, even knowing he isn't getting 4/70 or whatever.
   24. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: July 23, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5714059)
But just to be clear here, for those that think or write that the Mets should "act like a big market team" which, when boiled down its essence, is "buy more high-end free agents", you have as Exhibit "A" Cespedes, who will ring up an exciting 5.9 WAR over the first 3 years of his Mets career, while collecting $79 million dollars. If he is impacted next year (a 10-12 month recovery from surgery would certainly suggest so), then there is another $29 million down the rat-hole.

Cespedes has not lived up to the contract so far. Still, 5.9 WAR adds up to a solid player, particularly given the time missed. It's probably a lot better than they'd have done with that playing time if they simply hadn't spent the money.

It would improve the Mets quite a bit if they'd expand the budget to take on a few more bad contracts like Cespedes'.


   25. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 23, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5714135)
How much is the QO for a reliever and would you be willing to risk the chance he takes it?


Familia makes $8M this year and will have made $21M in his career at the end of this season.

I think there is a 100% change that he'd accept a QO the second it was offered.

   26. formerly dp Posted: July 23, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5714175)
I think there is a 100% change that he'd accept a QO the second it was offered.
I dunno--depending on what he does for the rest of 2018 (wouldn't have expected Treinen to be one of the league's better closers coming into the year), I'd expect him to get at least 3/$33M. He's young to be hitting the FA market, he's been pretty consistent over his career, and he has "proven closer" stuff (not that teams are overpaying for that as much anymore, but considering the contracts handed out to older relievers without as much of an established track record...I'd guess he does pretty well).
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 23, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5714202)
I think there is a 100% change that he'd accept a QO the second it was offered.

Especially with the luxury tax threshold increasingly operating as a hard cap. Getting overpaid considerably, even for a single year, is a good deal under the current rules.
   28. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 23, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5714215)
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 23, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5714226)
In other Mets news, Tim Tebow out for rest of season with broken hamate bone.
Nah, he just needs to lay his one hand on his other one.
   30. JRVJ Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5714275)
I think there is a 100% change that he'd accept a QO the second it was offered.


I think I'd phrase this differently.

I think there's 100% chance that a team would forego a 2nd round pick for Familia, if Familia expects to get big enough bucks to not take a QO.

And Familia and his agent surely know this.
   31. Sunday silence Posted: July 23, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5714299)
Can we get MLB to take over PIT and sell Nutting's team?

Cause that would be great.
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 23, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5714401)

In other Mets news, Tim Tebow out for rest of season with broken hamate bone.

Supposedly broke it just swinging the bat.

Not that I expect he will ever be a productive MLBer, but it's a shame he got hurt given his improvement this season. Tebow's OPS by month: April / May / June / July - .653 / .731 / .762 / .798.
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 23, 2018 at 05:43 PM (#5714406)
Can we get MLB to take over PIT and sell Nutting's team?


Why would MLB do that, and what makes you think they'd run the team any differently if they did?
   34. formerly dp Posted: July 24, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5714712)
Not that I expect he will ever be a productive MLBer, but it's a shame he got hurt given his improvement this season. Tebow's OPS by month: April / May / June / July - .653 / .731 / .762 / .798.
Yeah, it was an interesting story to follow, as he went from "wtf is he doing playing baseball?" to justifying his roster spot with more than just ticket sales.
   35. formerly dp Posted: July 24, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5715024)
McNeil getting called up today--might be able to push Reyes to the bench. He looks like a quad-A type, 26 years old and did most of his hitting at AA, but still that .342/.411/.617 line looks intriguing. Really too bad TJ Rivera hasn't been able to get healthy this year, could have made a spot for him, career line of .304/.335/.445 in the majors. Digging this move to put Rosario at the top of the order now that he's started to hit a little bit. Looked like he finally might start walking too but that didn't stick...
   36. Adam Starblind Posted: July 24, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5715115)


McNeil getting called up today--might be able to push Reyes to the bench.


Or permanently back to Muttontown?

   37. Bote Man Posted: July 24, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5715196)
Can we get MLB to take over PIT and sell Nutting's team?


Why would MLB do that, and what makes you think they'd run the team any differently if they did?

So they can move the team to Montreal, of course! But first they need to sell all assets from the farm system to eliminate one team from possible contention for a long time.

As a Nats fan I see my team going through trials that could have been (and were) predicted. But you poor Mets fans are really getting it from both barrels this season. You must have the patience of Job to stick with the Mets after this sh|tshow. It's almost enough to make me feel sorry for y'all.

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