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Thursday, April 26, 2012

Occupy Oakland has to leave A’s-White Sox game at O.co Coliseum over flier flap

Raises Ray Poole ain’t no Tim Pool!” banner in solidarity.

When they tried drumming up attention for a May Day general strike during Wednesday’s A’s game at O.co Coliseum, a group from Occupy Oakland found out baseball and politics don’t always go hand in hand.

The trio climbed up in the second deck of the stadium and unfurled a banner reading “Occupy Oakland: Strike out Capitalism. No work. No School,” during the A’s home game against the Chicago White Sox. They were told to remove the banner.

Then the group started handing out leaflets advertising the May 1 General Strike plan, which includes shutting down the Golden Gate Bridge.

“Got kicked out of and A’s game for passing out #BayM1GS flyers. Did a banner drop, too. Since when was a stadium private, not public, property?” a person tweeted at 2:16 p.m. using the name Leon Ghesu.

Ghesu said they were given the choice to leave or relinquish all 1,000 of their fliers.

“Four security guards escorted us out. The fliers cost more than the $2 ticket,” wrote Ghesu on Thursday. “Too bad we left right when the game got good.”

Repoz Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:09 PM | 128 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4117228)
Since when was a stadium private, not public, property?
You're not helping.
   2. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4117231)
Hehe -- the occupiers. Too easy, so I'll just go with the non-sequitur.

"We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!"
   3. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4117233)
I'm gathering from my Bay Area friends that Occupy Oakland, through all sorts of stupid ####, is doing their cause more harm than good.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4117236)
The trio climbed up in the second deck of the stadium


Can the A's really afford to kick out 50% of their home crowd?
   5. Bob Tufts Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4117250)
"We're not gonna protest, we're not gonna protest"
   6. tshipman Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4117256)
Predictable political threads

--posted by repoz
   7. Bob Evans Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4117260)
Can the A's really afford to kick out 50% of their home crowd?

Even Connie Mack would turn up his nose at a share of a $12 gate.
   8. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4117262)
You know, I can't figure out what the Occupy movement even wants. I mean, it's some sort of showing dissatisfaction with rich people but do they actually have any demands? Obviously I haven't been paying close attention, but they're really not doing a good job if I don't even know what the point is.
   9. zonk Posted: April 26, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4117268)
Since when was a stadium private, not public, property?


You're not helping.


While I tend to agree with the sentiment -- in fact, the entire Oakland Alameda Complex is publicly owned... Sure, it was a "private" event and obviously not a public square, but the fact is that it was public dollars that built the stadium, the city/county/whatever that 'owns' it, etc.

There is all sorts of irony here...
   10. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 26, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4117274)
You know, I can't figure out what the Occupy movement even wants. I mean, it's some sort of showing dissatisfaction with rich people but do they actually have any demands? Obviously I haven't been paying close attention, but they're really not doing a good job if I don't even know what the point is.

It started out with a certain amount of promise and a lot of enthusiasm, but when winter set in it was like watching the Los Angeles Rams against the Minnesota Vikings in a late December playoff game at Metropolitan Stadium. They made it a point NOT to present any demands, and that didn't necessarily turn out to be the world's smartest move.
   11. McCoy Posted: April 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4117279)
At this point Occupy Whatever is just a bunch of homeless people who have discovered they can sleep in public places without getting hassled.
   12. Bhaakon Posted: April 26, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4117280)
While I tend to agree with the sentiment -- in fact, the entire Oakland Alameda Complex is publicly owned...Sure, it was a "private" event and obviously not a public square, but the fact is that it was public dollars that built the stadium, the city/county/whatever that 'owns' it, etc.


There's nothing ironic, just stupid. Government ownership has never meant all citizens have unfettered access.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: April 26, 2012 at 11:37 PM (#4117288)
You know, I can't figure out what the Occupy movement even wants. I mean, it's some sort of showing dissatisfaction with rich people but do they actually have any demands? Obviously I haven't been paying close attention, but they're really not doing a good job if I don't even know what the point is.

What were the demands of the Arab Spring? What do the Syrian protesters want? What did the people in Tianenmen Square want? What did the people who tore down the Berlin Wall want and what were their demands to get there?

No widespread protest movement has concrete demands. The unifying thread is a disgust with the current system and the desire for something new. The Occupy movement wants a more "fair" society, a more "livable" and "equitable" society. At best, as with almost any such movement, you can get broad agreement on the desired ends but of course you'll get little agreement on the means to that end and, hence, no demands, simply attempts to slow down/clog up the system as is.

Those who aren't disgusted with the current system won't understand the Occupy protests. Those who believe the solution to social problems is through the established political system won't understand the Occupy tactics. But the best means of understanding or relating to the Occupy movement is to look at something like the Arab Spring (which was much lauded in the US). That wasn't a unified political movement with a set of policy proposals, it was a diverse group of people from across society often with competing political/social philosophies who (in one of those weird socio-political gestalt moments) came together to express their disgust and refused to back down until what disgusted them most was gone. And when you look at the coverage of the Arab Spring in the US, almost nobody was asking what their demands/proposals were -- few were even asking "what happens if they succeed?" quetsions before they did succeed. Yet that was practically the first thing you read in the media in response to the Occupy movement.

In that sense, the Occupy movement is to be lauded. They have not yet sold out for a couple of empty promises from the Democrats -- as far as I know, all the Democratic and even "progressive" attempts to co-opt the movement have failed.

The Occupy movement is almost certainly doomed to failure in the US for all sorts of reasons (the momentum is gone almost everywhere outside of Oakland near as I can tell so it may be dead already) but the phenomenon isn't any different from the Arab Spring. (Which is not to equate the social situations in Egypt and the US.)

What brings down political power systems (not individual governments necessarily) almost always has been and almost always will be that enough of the people simply refuse to go along with it anymore, not because some inspiring revolutionary leader comes along to unite the masses with their brillian vision (even in cases like Lenin, Mao, Castro, Hitler, the American Revolution, Gandhi, etc). How violent that struggle becomes depends largely on how violently the system clings to its power (cf Syria and Egypt and -- maybe the hardest to explain of them all -- South Africa). What the hell happens after that "revolution" is the hard bit. :-)
   14. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4117305)
You know, I can't figure out what the Occupy movement even wants. I mean, it's some sort of showing dissatisfaction with rich people but do they actually have any demands? Obviously I haven't been paying close attention, but they're really not doing a good job if I don't even know what the point is.


From what I understand, the Occupy movement is intentionally decentralized. So the lack of a clear, outlined set of goals/wants/desires is deliberate. I'm not sure if I agree with that strategy, but I think that's what they're going for.

Are they doing a good job? I don't know. I think they're doing a good job of, at the very least, pointing out some of the economic inequalities within the US. They've certainly been able to spread the "99%/1%" meme, but I'm not sure if this will have much effect on the general populace's voting habits.

I will say that the plan for a May 1 General Strike is silly because they don't have the support of the larger American labor unions (again, perhaps this was deliberate but I don't agree with it).
   15. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM (#4117309)
They've certainly been able to spread the "99%/1%" meme

Seems very likely to me that that ends up being their only lasting contribution to society.

I will say that the plan for a May 1 General Strike is silly because they don't have the support of the larger American labor unions (again, perhaps this was deliberate but I don't agree with it).

A few dozen unemployed people going on strike for a day probably won't accomplish much.
   16. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:13 AM (#4117321)
What were the demands of the Arab Spring?

That whatever dictator that was current in the country with the protest should get the #### out. And a lot more.

What do the Syrian protesters want?

That Assad should get the #### out. And a lot more. And stop killing us.

What did the people in Tianenmen Square want?

Democratization of Chinese society starting with the right of free expression. And a lot more.

What did the people who tore down the Berlin Wall want and what were their demands to get there?

The communist party should get the #### out.

Every single of these protests had a clear, unmistakable demand. Then of course there are parts of them that pushes other issues (jobs, food prices, free expression). But Mubarak's problem wasn't that the protests were lacking in specific demands, they all wanted his head on a plate and weren't shy about it.
   17. SteveM. Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:15 AM (#4117322)
I would have thought that the A's would have enjoyed the bump in attendance. This may have been their best theme night of the season.
   18. outl13r Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:25 AM (#4117326)
I bet they'll look good in pinstripes prison stripes.
   19. Dale Sams Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:41 AM (#4117328)
Then the group started handing out leaflets advertising the May 1 General Strike


Commies!
   20. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:52 AM (#4117331)
I mean, it's some sort of showing dissatisfaction with rich people but do they actually have any demands?

Free ____________________.
   21. greenback likes millwall, they don't care Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:57 AM (#4117334)
What did the people who tore down the Berlin Wall want and what were their demands to get there?

The communist party should get the #### out.

Or Gorbachev's reforms should get the #### in.

The most popular chant at the October protests leading up to the fall of the Wall was "Wir sind das Volk." Loosely translated into 2011 buzz-speak, that's "We are the 99%." Nobody had any clue in October 1989 that Germany would be re-united only a year later, and some of the leading dissidents were upset that the DDR was giving up on its socialist experiment so people could buy fancy cat foods. The demonstrations may well have been more focused than Occupy Wall Street, but what they got really wasn't what they planned on getting, for better and for worse.
   22. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 02:41 AM (#4117336)
Or Gorbachev's reforms should get the #### in.

That would be a start, but all the protests in Eastern Europe was very adamant that the communists had to go.

The most popular chant at the October protests leading up to the fall of the Wall was "Wir sind das Volk." Loosely translated into 2011 buzz-speak, that's "We are the 99%.

It meant something very different in 1989, though. It was turning the leadership's faux-proletarian rhetoric against them. The communists did claim to represent the will of the common people.

and some of the leading dissidents were upset that the DDR was giving up on its socialist experiment so people could buy fancy cat foods.

So they were, and they had to accept that that wasn't anything East German people in general weren't interested in. And don't conflate what the bulk of the protesters thought and the idea of some dissidents.
   23. Bhaakon Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:37 AM (#4117341)
and some of the leading dissidents were upset that the DDR was giving up on its socialist experiment so people could buy fancy cat foods.


"Leading dissidents" often end up holding extreme positions, because extremists are the first to jump to the protest lines. Moderate leaders, by the very fact that they're moderate, generally don't instigate social unrest (though they certainly glom on to and temper a movement that's gaining momentum).
   24. zachtoma Posted: April 27, 2012 at 05:45 AM (#4117353)
That whatever dictator that was current in the country with the protest should get the #### out. And a lot more.

That Assad should get the #### out. And a lot more. And stop killing us.

Democratization of Chinese society starting with the right of free expression. And a lot more.

The communist party should get the #### out.


One could easily characterize the "demands" of Occupy in a similarly vague manner while still being fairly accurate:

The democratization of American society - starting with capital getting the #### out of politics and the alleviation of fundamental structural inequalities. And a lot more.

There. The response the movement has provoked - widespread condescension and hostility - is in some ways more interesting than the camps and the demonstrations themselves are itself.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: April 27, 2012 at 05:58 AM (#4117354)
Every single of these protests had a clear, unmistakable demand.

That's exactly my point. The Occupy protests have an equally clear demand -- plutocratic capitalism must go. That has obvious implications around jobs, income inequality, democratisation of a corrupt political system, etc. It's not at all difficult to understand what their point is whether you share it or not.

That nobody has a clue how to accomplish that goal other than "we're mad as hell" and nobody is presenting a clear idea of what would happen should they succeed is par for the course for any such movement.

You can of course make the perfectly legit and obvious point that things are a lot better in the US than Mubarak Egypt or Soviet Russia or China but that's simply disagreeing with the Occupy movement's beliefs (and pointing out why it's likely to fail), not a point showing how it is a different type of movement.
   26. Baseball Primer Posted: April 27, 2012 at 07:01 AM (#4117361)
Test.
   27. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: April 27, 2012 at 07:25 AM (#4117363)
26. Baseball Primer Posted: April 27, 2012 at 07:01 AM (#4117361)
Test.

BBTF has become self-aware! Run!!!
   28. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 08:08 AM (#4117367)
...so people could buy fancy cat foods.

I've been buying Fancy Feast for my very young cat, ever since Science Diet decided to self-immolate. Has anyone other than my 7-figure friends ever bought Tiki Cat for their feline killers?
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 08:18 AM (#4117369)
You know, I can't figure out what the Occupy movement even wants.


More HD channels, double coupon days every Saturday, and free kids meals on Tuesdays.
   30. tfbg9 Posted: April 27, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4117371)
So...Andy thinks OWS at one point showed "a certain amount of promise"? So did their parents, up until they majored in ____________.
   31. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 27, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4117396)
So...Andy thinks OWS at one point showed "a certain amount of promise"?

Yeah, they were kind of like your namesake, weren't they? They got a nice writeup in The New Yorker but they couldn't come through in the ten most important protests of their lives.
   32. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 27, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4117428)
There are certainly many, many socio-political aspects of the US that are worth mass protests, but the Occupy folks don't seem to have a clue what they are. If they do, they've decided not to tell any potential converts, so either way they have failed.
   33. The Good Face Posted: April 27, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4117431)
I've been buying Fancy Feast for my very young cat, ever since Science Diet decided to self-immolate. Has anyone other than my 7-figure friends ever bought Tiki Cat for their feline killers?


What's wrong with Science Diet? Makes for glossy coat, well formed cat poops. Or are you talking about wet food?
   34. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: April 27, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4117448)
If they do, they've decided not to tell any potential converts, so either way they have failed.


I don't know. They seemed to have a pretty successful year.
   35. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4117456)
“Got kicked out of and A’s game for passing out #BayM1GS flyers. Did a banner drop, too. Since when was a stadium private, not public, property?” a person tweeted at 2:16 p.m. using the name Leon Ghesu.


At least they knew where they were going and got there. Occupy Atlanta tried to protest the upscale mall here for whatever reason and they got lost getting there and tried to go to a different mall by going through a hotel lobby and were turned away by security, and one of the protesters said they didn't realize that the mall was private property. Can't make this stuff up.
   36. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4117468)
I don't know. They seemed to have a pretty successful year.


I don't se it that way. I thought it had promise when it got started last year, but since then its become centred on Communist philosophies.
   37. Gonfalon B. Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM (#4117472)
Better the Fed than red!
   38. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4117478)
What's wrong with Science Diet? Makes for glossy coat, well formed cat poops. Or are you talking about wet food?

I should be more specific.

I feed the cat two types of food: dry (with a bit of water), and wet, from a can. Both were Science Diet - I'm still on kitten food as the Bombay I found outside under a bush in the rain was about 5 weeks old in October. The cat seemed pretty meh on the Science Diet wet minced food but loved the chunks in gravy-type meal. Well, for a reason I haven't researched more fully, the wet kind she liked seemed to discontinue, so as far as wet we tried some other stuff and she ended up really liking the Fancy Feast. (Even that, though, like the minced Science Diet, the regular paste consistency or whatever she doesn't seem to care for, and I don't particuarly blame her - seems pretty blech.) I am still getting the Science Diet dry food, which the cat likes perfectly well.

ANYHOW, I am basically curious about the Tiki Food brand because I pet-sat for a friend in an 8-room 5th-Avenue apartmnet and that food seemed a combination so amazingly bourgeois, decadent, and healthy that I'm considering adding it in on occasion.


There are certainly many, many socio-political aspects of the US that are worth mass protests, but the Occupy folks don't seem to have a clue what they are. If they do, they've decided not to tell any potential converts, so either way they have failed.

Not common, but I agree with Rants here.


“Got kicked out of and A’s game for passing out #BayM1GS flyers. Did a banner drop, too. Since when was a stadium private, not public, property?” a person tweeted at 2:16 p.m. using the name Leon Ghesu.

Should have gone with Chicken Wolf.




   39. tshipman Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM (#4117480)
Occupy's biggest achievement has been changing the agenda. Income inequality is identified as a concern in the American public when it had not been before.

The Occupy Handbook is supposedly full of interesting and legislatable policy ideas.
   40. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:26 AM (#4117484)
I have a cat that will only eat Purina Cat Chow, and it has to have been in his dish for less than a few hours. He won't eat tuna or chicken or any other brand of cat food. I realize Cat Chow isn't the best choice for long term health, but he'd made his choice. He also supplements his diet with birds, mice, voles and the occasional (small) snake.
   41. The Good Face Posted: April 27, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4117497)
I should be more specific.

I feed the cat two types of food: dry (with a bit of water), and wet, from a can. Both were Science Diet - I'm still on kitten food as the Bombay I found outside under a bush in the rain was about 5 weeks old in October. The cat seemed pretty meh on the Science Diet wet minced food but loved the chunks in gravy-type meal. Well, for a reason I haven't researched more fully, the wet kind she liked seemed to discontinue, so as far as wet we tried some other stuff and she ended up really liking the Fancy Feast. (Even that, though, like the minced Science Diet, the regular paste consistency or whatever she doesn't seem to care for, and I don't particuarly blame her - seems pretty blech.) I am still getting the Science Diet dry food, which the cat likes perfectly well.


Ah, OK. My persian almost exclusively eats Science Diet dry, and has very little interest in wet food. My wife's alley cat also eats Science Diet dry, but will make a pig of himself out of pretty much any wet food you care to throw at him. Since I'm not particularly interested in prolonging the vicious brute's life, and there's a decent chance my persian just wouldn't like it much, I'll probably just stick with the status quo and not bother with any super duper premium cat foods.
   42. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4117533)
It does seem rather appropriate that an Occupy thread has morphed into a discussion about cat food.
   43. Danny Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4117542)
You know, I can't figure out what the Occupy movement even wants. I mean, it's some sort of showing dissatisfaction with rich people but do they actually have any demands? Obviously I haven't been paying close attention, but they're really not doing a good job if I don't even know what the point is.

#tweetsfrom2011
   44. Bug Selig Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4117551)
Income inequality is identified as a concern in the American public when it had not been before.


What? One of our major political parties exists largely to take money from some people and give it to other people.
   45. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4117579)
Income inequality is identified as a concern in the American public when it had not been before.


What? One of our major political parties exists largely to take money from some people and give it to other people.

And with the help of Citizens United, it'll likely remain that way for some time to come.
   46. Bug Selig Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4117584)
And with the help of Citizens United, it'll likely remain that way for some time to come.


I have almost no hope for our future considering for one simple reason: The kids who grew up thinking T-Ball games are always a tie and everyone gets ice cream will be in charge soon.
   47. PreservedFish Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4117593)
I have almost no hope for our future considering for one simple reason: The kids who grew up thinking T-Ball games are always a tie and everyone gets ice cream will be in charge soon.


Isn't it possible that those kids will make the world a better place? I understand the impulse to say, "it's not like that in the real world," but in a generation or two those children will be defining what the real world is.

I mean, maybe they'll get their asses handed to them by China and India, but maybe they'll gently guide America into a Denmark-like existence, where everybody does indeed get ice cream.
   48. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4117594)
One could easily characterize the "demands" of Occupy in a similarly vague manner while still being fairly accurate:

In what world is calling for the regime to step down vague? "Mubarak out" is clear and to the point. What happens next is up in the air, of course.

Attacking plutocratic capitalism is vague, because everybody outside Goldman Sachs tends to think that they are engaged in honest toil as opposed to that damn Wall Street. It's both a vague target and a vague roadmap.

   49. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4117603)
OH HAY A CAT FOOD THREAD!

We just got a shelter tabby in December (she's around a year old now.) The big fight: the cat loves dry food by my gf insists all dry food is evil. Consequently, our cat eats grain-free (usually > 95% meat) wet canned food. Also, sometimes a little lox.

Is dry food ok? Our cat loooooves it, and is a surprisingly picky eater for someone who was feral not that long ago.
   50. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4117606)
26. Baseball Primer Posted: April 27, 2012 at 07:01 AM (#4117361)
Test.


BBTF has become self-aware! Run!!!


of course the first thing it would do is post in a political thread, although I see it has morphed away from that.
   51. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4117621)
Is dry food ok? Our cat loooooves it, and is a surprisingly picky eater for someone who was feral not that long ago.

The Dry Food = Evil position is well-populated. It's hard to imagine it is as good or yummy as wet food, really, but our cat also loves it just fine. I think splitting it up is reasonable, as well as adding water to the dry food to make it less dry. Science Diet is a really good dry food, it seems.

Honestly, as long as it isn't three or four enormous cats eating a large portion of what may be a limited budget, I think spoiling one cat with primarily wet food isn't an issue.
   52. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4117626)
I have almost no hope for our future considering for one simple reason: The kids who grew up thinking T-Ball games are always a tie and everyone gets ice cream will be in charge soon.

I personally saw this coming the first time I was told that every player on our Little League team had to play at least one inning in every game. That thoroughly outraged my 11-year old's sense of meritocratic justice, especially since I was hitting .727 at the time and would have spit in Early Wynn's eye.

Problem is, that was in 1955. The trend you decry goes a lot further back than you probably realize.
   53. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4117627)
Cats, to say nothing of their food, are not worthy of a thread... they gave spinsters a feel moderately amusing posters, they provided some overplayed internet jpegs... now let's all move on.

Don't you hate pants?
   54. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4117628)
Cats, to say nothing of their food, are not worthy of a thread... now let's all move on.

Janeway. Now shut up.
   55. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM (#4117630)
Cats, to say nothing of their food, are not worthy of a thread... they gave spinsters a feel moderately amusing posters, they provided some overplayed internet jpegs... now let's all move on.

Tying this thread together, I'd love to see a trained cat who'd specialize in clawing plutocrats' eyes out.
   56. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM (#4117632)
Problem is, that was in 1955. The trend you decry goes a lot further back than you probably realize.

We survived the generation that learned New Math without any major disaster, we can surely handle any pedagogical fad that comes along.
   57. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4117633)
Voyager had no cats, hence, its obvious superiority to other incarnations, all of which featured a cat at one time or another.
   58. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4117636)

I personally saw this coming the first time I was told that every player on our Little League team had to play at least one inning in every game. That thoroughly outraged my 11-year old's sense of meritocratic justice, especially since I was hitting .727 at the time and would have spit in Early Wynn's eye.

Problem is, that was in 1955. The trend you decry goes a lot further back than you probably realize.


I put up a slash line of 1.000/1.000/4.000 -- but I played little league in an era where Richard Gere was teaching us that greed is good and that it's not important what you do, it's only important that you get to be the one keeping the books.

   59. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4117639)
I put up a slash line of 1.000/1.000/4.000 -- but I played little league in an era where Richard Gere was teaching us that greed is good

Wait, I thought that Richard Gere was talking about gerbils, not greed.
   60. PreservedFish Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4117640)
We have a stray cat that lives exclusively in our backyard. We think she's a female, and have kind of adopted her. There's a big mean loud tomcat that comes over and beats the #### out of her almost daily. I don't know what to do about it.
   61. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4117644)
I don't know what to do about it.

Teach her to fight (cue Karate Kid montage), then sell the film rights to Hollywood.
   62. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4117645)
We have a stray cat that lives exclusively in our backyard. We think she's a female, and have kind of adopted her. There's a big mean loud tomcat that comes over and beats the #### out of her almost daily. I don't know what to do about it.


You could get a large dog to eat both cats...
   63. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4117649)
Don't you hate pants?

I am outraged! Why do I always get all the hate around here!
   64. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4117652)
We have a stray cat that lives exclusively in our backyard. We think she's a female, and have kind of adopted her. There's a big mean loud tomcat that comes over and beats the #### out of her almost daily. I don't know what to do about it.

BB Gun.
   65. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4117654)
Teach her to fight (cue Karate Kid montage), then sell the film rights to Hollywood.


A bit soon for a Hillary Swank biofilm, doncha think?
   66. Bhaakon Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4117657)
Isn't it possible that those kids will make the world a better place? I understand the impulse to say, "it's not like that in the real world," but in a generation or two those children will be defining what the real world is.


No, by that time some kids from China will be defining what the real world is. Hint: it involves the ice cream-tie kids being crushed under their parents' national debt.
   67. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4117660)
No, by that time some kids from China will be defining what the real world is. Hint: it involves the ice cream-tie kids being crushed under their parents' national debt.


I don't get it...

You're saying we should become a communist society where the state controls production, but practices a weird sort of international state-to-state or state-to-foreign corporation capitalism?
   68. The Good Face Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4117663)
Is dry food ok? Our cat loooooves it, and is a surprisingly picky eater for someone who was feral not that long ago.


Dry food is fine. My cat has subsisted almost entirely on dry food her entire life (8+ years) and is in excellent health, and as I said earlier in the thread, actually prefers it to wet food. As they get older, it's probably a good idea to include some wet food in their diet, but the notion that cats must eat wet food to survive is just wrong. Just buy a reasonably high quality food and you should be OK.
   69. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4117666)
Hint: it involves the ice cream-tie kids being crushed under their parents' national debt.

Well, my projection shows that Apple will own all the money in the world by then. On the other hand iTunes gift cards will be an univerally accepted currency, so everything is well.
   70. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4117667)
We have a stray cat that lives exclusively in our backyard. We think she's a female, and have kind of adopted her. There's a big mean loud tomcat that comes over and beats the #### out of her almost daily. I don't know what to do about it.

I'm not going for the BB gun solution but even big, mean cats understand they should probably stay away from bigger, meaner animals. An accurate water hose or repeatedly well-thrown tennis balls should do the trick. (I mean, if the tom is also a stray, I'd feed it, too, but I understand why people might not want to.)
   71. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4117668)
Well, my projection shows that Apple will own all the money in the world by then. On the other hand iTunes gift cards will be an univerally accepted currency, so everything is well.


Will they have fixed iTunes from the bloatware 10.5 made it into? If so, I'm sorta OK with this...
   72. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4117669)

We adopted two cats from the city shelter about 6 months ago, one was a stray and one wasn't, both about 4 years old. For cats who had been in the shelter for over a month, they are both amazingly sweet animals. They're heavy cats (~16 lbs each) although one big and the other is just fat. Anyway, we feed them the "Light" Science Diet dry food and they seem to like it just fine. One of them has lost a couple of lbs. on the light food, the other one has not.
   73. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4117673)
BB Gun.

Super soaker. (Coke to Lassus)

Another point about dry food is that it's supposedly better for the cat's teeth. My wife fed her previous cat wet food and it had some serious teeth problems.
   74. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4117677)
Also, the Occupy folks were smart not to put demands out there, because when someone did occasionally start making demands, they generally sounded foolish. I'm sympathetic to many of their complaints, but they don't have any clue how to fix things and the proposed solutions I heard would likely have made the situation worse.
   75. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4117681)
At least they knew where they were going and got there. Occupy Atlanta tried to protest the upscale mall here for whatever reason and they got lost getting there and tried to go to a different mall by going through a hotel lobby and were turned away by security, and one of the protesters said they didn't realize that the mall was private property. Can't make this stuff up.
Maybe they were from California, where the courts decided that malls aren't really private. See Pruneyard.)
   76. Traderdave Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4117687)
What stinks worse, cat food or the Occcupy Oakland camp?
   77. Nasty Nate Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4117693)
We have a stray cat that lives exclusively in our backyard. We think she's a female, and have kind of adopted her. There's a big mean loud tomcat that comes over and beats the #### out of her almost daily. I don't know what to do about it.


I don't know about that situation. But if you get a cat stuck in the walls of your house, I know the solution is to send more cats in there.
   78. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4117702)
I'm not going for the BB gun solution


Pussy :P
   79. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4117713)

I don't know about that situation. But if you get a cat stuck in the walls of your house, I know the solution is to send more cats in there.


Then dogs to chase the cats out.
   80. Dale Sams Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4117732)
26. Baseball Primer Posted: April 27, 2012 at 07:01 AM (#4117361)
Test.

BBTF has become self-aware! Run!!!


How could you NOT know that Repoz is AM from "I have No Mouth and I Must Scream"? BBTF is one long, diabolical sick experiment....there is a way out, but I haven't found it yet. I only know it has something to do with Madeline Albright.
   81. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 27, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4117741)
We have a stray cat that lives exclusively in our backyard. We think she's a female, and have kind of adopted her. There's a big mean loud tomcat that comes over and beats the #### out of her almost daily. I don't know what to do about it.


If the tom is beating it up, and not ####### it (which sounds worse than a fight), its probably a male. I live in a rural area and am constantly plagued by stray cats. The only one I've had to shoot so far was a 6 month old kitten that had one of its hind legs torn off by a raccoon.
   82. Bug Selig Posted: April 27, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4117756)
Isn't it possible that those kids will make the world a better place? I understand the impulse to say, "it's not like that in the real world," but in a generation or two those children will be defining what the real world is.

I mean, maybe they'll get their asses handed to them by China and India, but maybe they'll gently guide America into a Denmark-like existence, where everybody does indeed get ice cream.


In the sense that it's possible that pigs might fly out of my butt, yes. Possible.

We are completely isolating concepts like reward and prospering from concepts like working and trying. EVERYONE can't sit on the couch waiting for the bridge card to arrive. Somebody has to put the Twinkie in the package.
   83. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4117783)
EVERYONE can't sit on the couch waiting for the bridge card to arrive. Somebody has to put the Twinkie in the package.

Er, what?
   84. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4117784)
I'm sympathetic to many of their complaints, but they don't have any clue how to fix things and the proposed solutions I heard would likely have made the situation worse.
They certainly would have.

The one great success of the Occupy movement (other than to say that they're mad as hell on TV) was to not get swallowed up by larger, institutionalized political forces. Whatever the claims are that the Tea Partiers changed the Republican Party, they'll be endorsing Mitt Romney as the Tea Party candidate this November. All they ended up doing was to give a name to the right wing of the GOP.
   85. Kurt Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4117796)
The one great success of the Occupy movement (other than to say that they're mad as hell on TV) was to not get swallowed up by larger, institutionalized political forces.

Coincidentally, that's also the one great success of the Lyndon Larouche movement.
   86. Swedish Chef Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4117798)
Er, what?

My guess is that it's an euphemism for an advanced sexual technique.
   87. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4117799)

I have almost no hope for our future considering for one simple reason: The kids who grew up thinking T-Ball games are always a tie and everyone gets ice cream will be in charge soon.


I guess they're already in charge of baseball, are they not? Who else is Bud Selig but a dessicated plutocrat in commoners garb who rose to power chanting "We are the 99% and demand free stuff in the interest of fairness"?

We are completely isolating concepts like reward and prospering from concepts like working and trying.


Hey, if even our heroic masters of capitalism in their ownership suites deserve to go on the dole in the interest of reducing inequality, how can you begrudge the poor souls who don't even own a single yacht from a similar sense of entitlement?
   88. PreservedFish Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4117801)
I've been smacking the tom with a broom, but it has not learned its lesson. He isn't a stray, just an unruly outdoors pet.
   89. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4117808)
Danke for the feedback! The internet seems to agree with you guys. I think I'll go pick up some high quality, grain-free, dry food like maybe this one? Our cat loves dry so much, I figure it'd be wrong not to let it have some. Kinda goes over to the Shake Shack thread, but even if it's not good for you, sometimes you *should* let yourself have at it, ya ken?
   90. The Good Face Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4117816)
Er, what?

My guess is that it's an euphemism for an advanced sexual technique.


Ah, so it's like a Tuscaloosa Dumpling!
   91. Lassus Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4117817)
I've been smacking the tom with a broom, but it has not learned its lesson. He isn't a stray, just an unruly outdoors pet.

Water and tennis balls are more unpleasant and meaner. A broom simply isn't threatening enough.


I think I'll go pick up some high quality, grain-free, dry food like maybe this one? Our cat loves dry so much, I figure it'd be wrong not to let it have some.

If Good Face and I actually agree on Science Diet, I assume it's the best thing on the face of the planet. You should all start eating it.
   92. The Good Face Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4117827)
If Good Face and I actually agree on Science Diet, I assume it's the best thing on the face of the planet. You should all start eating it.


Indeed. If my cats' litter boxes are anything to go by, Science Diet is CHOCK full of the fiber your body craves!
   93. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: April 27, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4117840)
I have almost no hope for our future considering for one simple reason: The kids who grew up thinking T-Ball games are always a tie and everyone gets ice cream will be in charge soon.


I have no such fear, having actually coached T-ball not too many years ago. 'We' did not keep score, but the kids sure as hell did.

OneBoth of our major political parties exists largely to take money from some people and give it to other people.


They differ only on the point of who to take from and give to.

   94. PreservedFish Posted: April 27, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4117850)
My wife just unloaded a pot of water on the bastard.
   95. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: April 27, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4117853)
I'm gathering from my Bay Area friends that Occupy Oakland, through all sorts of stupid ####, is doing their cause more harm than good.

I can vouch for this. Their agenda any more seems to be focused on the two competing priorities of committing serious vandalism and inciting violence against police in order that they can schedule further demonstrations against police 'brutality.'

I think the greater movement has already achieved the top range of their upside - as noted upthread, popularizing the '99%' meme and getting economic inequality into the national discourse were actually pretty major achievements. Be better if that's all they did.


EDIT: They differ only on the point of who to take from and give to.

QFT. But then, that's government in a nutshell, no?
   96. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 27, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4117860)
We are completely isolating concepts like reward and prospering from concepts like working and trying.

Completely? So are you saying that every baseball league on Earth has gotten rid of scoring?

The leagues that don't keep score and have everyone bat are for ~6 year olds. Those are ages that didn't even have leagues for them when I was a kid. Once they're 9 or 10, its no different than 1960.

But go ahead and make things up if it makes you feel better.
   97. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 27, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4117906)
I was just going to post something similar to #96. T-Ball, no scoring. First year of kid pitch, also no scoring. But kid pitch isn't really kid pitch. It's putting the kid on the mound and having him throw 4 balls nowhere near the plate and then the coach comes in and pitches.

By the time the kids are 9 (or maybe 8) they are playing something pretty close to real baseball. No stealing and no advancing on errors. But 3 outs to an inning, 4 balls and the batter goes to first. Hit a ball out of the infield and you can go for 2.

This idea that all of Little League has eliminated keeping score and therefore the kids don't understand winning and losing is a joke.
   98. zonk Posted: April 27, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4117913)
This idea that all of Little League has eliminated keeping score and therefore the kids don't understand winning and losing is a joke.


That's what I keep telling my bookie...
   99. Nasty Nate Posted: April 27, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4117939)
No stealing and no advancing on errors. But 3 outs to an inning, 4 balls and the batter goes to first. Hit a ball out of the infield and you can go for 2.


I think your post was meant to be re-assuring, but these rules suck. no homeruns? and I don't even know what 'no advancing on errors' means in the context of little league.
   100. Dale Sams Posted: April 27, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4117971)
By the time the kids are 9 (or maybe 8) they are playing something pretty close to real baseball. No stealing and no advancing on errors. But 3 outs to an inning, 4 balls and the batter goes to first. Hit a ball out of the infield and you can go for 2


??

When I was 9 we played full rules, including stealing, sliding and diving being allowed.
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