Realignment and it feels so good.
•Divisional teams will play each other 18 teams apiece. That’s 72 games.
•Each team will play members of the other two divisions in its league six times apiece. That’s 60 games.
•And each division will play a designated division in the other league six times apiece. In other words, the Angels would play home-and-home series against the NL East one year, the Central the next year, the West the year after that. That ensures that every team in baseball would come to Angel Stadium at least once every three seasons.
That makes 162 games.
Why not a sweeping realignment that will do away with the leagues, which no longer have executive structures or their own umpires?
Why not play more games in the same time zones, raising local TV ratings and pleasing sponsors?
Like this, for example:
WEST: Dodgers, Angels, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego.
MOUNTAIN: Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Seattle, Houston.
SOUTH: Baltimore, Washington, Atlanta, Florida, Tampa Bay.
LAKES: Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toronto.
MIDWEST: Cubs, White Sox, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Kansas City.
EAST: Yankees, Mets, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
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1. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: July 12, 2011 at 02:15 PM (#3875285)Is TB actually required to show up for the games? Or can they just sign some autographs and call it a day?
So TB gets it's Golden Ticket to the divisional round, and 2 out of Yanks, Red Sox, and Phillies (with all three possibly having a better record than TB) play a one game playoff? I would stop watching baseball if that happened.....yes yes I know, it's 'not fair' as it is. There's unfair, and then there's really stupid.
Tampa Bay wouldn't win that division this year. Atlanta would. And Atlanta has better talent in the pipeline as well. If you think the Rays would cake walk that division, you're an idiot.
"Accept."
So does the sand get in your tampon too, or can that be sealed? Unlike your mouth.
Think 30 interleague games too much? Then knock it down to 18, rotating pairings (aside from designated rivalries) by division once every three years. Those 12 other games would become intradivisional games, with teams playing each other 21 times a year instead of 18.
"vagina"
They'll never go away, because those Chicago and New York rivalry series bring in a lot of money, but there's no impetus to expand interleague play.
Atlantic: NY Yankees, NY Mets, Boston, Philadelphia, Toronto
Central: Washington, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland
Great Lakes: Detroit, Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Milwaukee, St. Louis
Northwest: Minnesota, Kansas City, Colorado, Seattle, Arizona
South: Tampa Bay, Florida, Atlanta, Houston, Texas
Pacific: Los Angeles, LA Angels, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego
Why? Toronto I think should be able to compete with the big boys - Toronto is a huge market and they should market to an entire country. It wasn't that long ago that it was one of the highest spending clubs (and Philly was a mid-tier market!). I want to put Minnesota in the Great Lakes, but I thought the Cubs and Cards would want to stay together. If they don't mind separating, you could swap the Cards and Twins. The Northwest is the least geographically accurate division and would require the most travel, but its hard to fit the mountain teams in.
I don't want to see this happen, just if they did radically re-align, it would make the most parties happy.
Minnesota makes much more sense in the Midwest division than the Lakes division, and vice versa for Chicago(x2) and Milwaukee.
I'd flip Seattle & San Diego and Milwaukee & Minnesota and perhaps Toronto & Pittsburgh. It wouldn't make for the perfect matchups, but it would be better. I'd also probably make 2 of the 4 wildcard teams "at large" bids, so they could come whichever league was stronger.
It's a bad plan tradition wise, and in dealing with the NE powerhouse teams, but if we were forced to create an MLB league from scratch (without historical differences & rivalries), with those teams, it would get a lot of support.
Edit:
So, this is about as compact and rational as you can get 6 divisions, I think:
WEST: Dodgers, Angels, San Francisco, Oakland, Seattle.
SW: Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Houston, San Diego.
MIDWEST: Cubs, White Sox, St. Louis, Minnesota, Kansas City.
LAKES: Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh.
EAST: Yankees, Mets, Boston, Philadelphia, Toronto.
SOUTH: Baltimore, Washington, Atlanta, Florida, Tampa Bay.
Under that scenario, with today's standings extrapolated to a full year, I think:
Philadephia, Atlanta, Detroit, San Francisco, Texas, St Louis win the Divisions. Boston & Angels win home field Wildcard slots. Yankees and Tampa are road Wildcard teams.
Three ten team leagues:
Each team plays the 9 teams in its league 11 times: 99 games
Each team plays the other 20 teams 3 times: 60 games
Total: 159 games
Three league winners advance to playoffs.
The 7 best records after that and the World Series champion from the previous year (or best 8 records, if previous champion qualifies by season record or is a league champion) play a single elimination tournament, seeded by record for the final spot.
Season ends on a Thursday. Tournament starts Saturday, played each day at the homepark of the highest seed. LCS starts Tuesday.
You get 11 teams in the "playoffs". You get a crazy last weekend for the final spot. You get a big incentive to win your league/division. You shorten the number of days of the postseason.
Now, the leagues:
Yankees
Mets
Red Sox
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Washington
Toronto
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Cubs
White Sox
Brewers
Twins
Cardinals
Royals
Reds
Braves
Marlins
Rays
Mariners
Giants
A's
Dodgers
Angels
Padres
Dbacks
Rockies
Rangers
Astros
So you have to have a pacific team with 2 central time zone teams. This means later starts for them and lower tv ratings.
My idea is to expand to 32 and go 8 divisions of four teams. Add Charlotte, NC and Newark, NJ. You'd get
NorthEast
Boston
NY Yankees
NY Mets
Newark
Great Lakes
Detroit
Toronto
Cleveland
Cincinnati
East
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Washington
SouthEast
Atlanta
Tampa
Miami
Charlotte
SouthWest
LA Dodgers
LA Angels
San Diego
Arizona
West
Seattle
Oakland
San Fran
Colorado
South
Texas
Houston
Kansas City
St Louis
NorthCentral
Chi Cubs
Chi WhiteSox
Minnesota
Milwaukee
You also get 2 expansion fees (owners are happy) and 50 + more MLB salaries (players union is happy)
As a Cubs fan, I agree.
I think that putting the Cubs-Sox, Yanks-Mets, Giants-As in the same division would be a mistake. By being in different leagues/divisions, the teams develop different rivalries, they offer distinct products (most years, if you want to see Derek Jeter play in Chicago, you have to go to The Cell; to see Albert Pujols, you have to go to Wrigley). If they're in the same division, the lesser of the two teams in any given year would just get crushed in terms of attendance - why would you go watch the 7th place team when you can ride the El a few more stops and see the 3rd place team play the same damn opponent two weeks later?
Edit: What Kiko said.
Are there people that root for both of these teams? All the Mets fans I know absolutely HATE the Yankees.
NorthEast
Boston
NY Yankees
NY MetsBaltimore
Newark
Great Lakes
Detroit
Toronto
Cleveland
Cincinnati
East
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
BaltimoreNY Mets
Washington
SouthEast
Atlanta
Tampa
Miami
Charlotte
SouthWest
LA Dodgers
LA AngelsSan Fran
San Diego
Arizona
West
Seattle
Oakland
San FranLA Angels
Colorado
South
Texas
Houston
Kansas City
St LouisChi WhiteSox
NorthCentral
Chi Cubs
Chi WhiteSoxSt Louis
Minnesota
Milwaukee
Hey, Vlad would get his wish and the Pirates would be in a far more winnable division than the six-team monster they're currently forced to navigate.
My guess is there's a pretty large bell-curve of casual fans who do - as well as in other two-team cities - come playoff time.
What lake, exactly, is Pittsburgh touching?
Throw in some improved revenue sharing, and I'd be fine with this.
Edit: As long as the new division doesn't use the DH.
They may form a relatively high percentage of baseball fans, but I don't think they attend a particularly high percentage of games. One die-hard fan who goes to 81 games is equal to 27 casual fans who go to three games a year.
Right, but that's aided by the fact that they aren't in direct competition. Put them in the same division, and what's the difference between them? It'd be like Coke buying Pepsi, and selling Coke in Pepsi cans alongside the Coke cans.
Maybe the same one that Cincinnati is.
It seems mean to call it the "Sad, Dying, Rusted-Out Shell Of The Once-Thriving Industrial Midwest" division.
Then we begin what you can think of as either the second phase of the regular season or the first phase of the playoffs. Teams get seeded into five pools of six teams. Originally, I thought 4 home and 4 away against every team in your pool, but now I am thinking of giving more incentive to do well in the first phase of the season by having teams play 7 games against the other teams in their pool, with the team that has the better record getting 4 home games and 3 road games.
The top two teams in each pool, plus four wild cards, advance to a sixteen-team playoff with your usual best of seven series.
Pluses include no more complaining about unbalanced schedules and unfair divisions. Minuses include screwing with the record books, logistics/travel, and not being able to set a schedule for the back end of the season well in advance.
Renamed: "New Mexico and The Bay"
Renamed: "We Hate New Mexico, Plus Some PacWest Hippie Treehuggers"
Renamed: "There's Only One Team From The South Here"
Renamed: "We Used To Have Jobs. And Canada.
Renamed: "Places You Leave When You Come Of Legal Age For $400, Alex"
Renamed: "The Sopranos and Steelworkers Local, 412"
Honestly, having been through Maryland, DC, Florida, AND Georgia multiple times, I have to disagree with this. There's a whole lotta south in those places, even if they aren't up to your personal drunken hillbilly standards.
Actually, I'd argue that there are no teams from the true south there. Baltimore and DC are Mid-Atlantic cities. Florida and Florida are Florida (though Tampa comes close.) And Atlanta, while in a true, deep south state, isn't like the rest of the state by far.
Most of the people there are offshoots from the loins of treasonous Rebs, though, and that's good enough for me.
AL East
New York Mets
Florida
Boston
Toronto
Baltimore
AL Central
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Houston
Chicago White Sox
AL West
Kansas City
Oakland
Colorado
Seattle
San Diego
NL East
New York Yankees
Arizona
Texas
Philadelphia
Washington
NL Central
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Chicago Cubs
Detroit
Tampa Bay
NL West
San Francisco
Atlanta
LA Dodgers
LA Angels
St. Louis
Actually, in Atlanta proper, most people are the offshoots from the loins of the people the treasonous Rebs bought and sold as cattle. The suburbs? About half and half treasonous Reb spawn and Yankee carpetbagger/carpetbagger spawn.
Northeast Division
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH x2
Worcester, MA
Montreal-Laval, PQ
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT
New Haven-Milford, CT
New York City Division
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA x8
Erie-Ontario Division
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY
Rochester, NY
Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY
Toronto-Mississauga-Brampton-Vaughan, ON x2
Ottawa–Gatineau, ON
Pittsburgh, PA
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH
Mid-Atlantic Division
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD x2
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ
Baltimore-Towson, MD
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV x2
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC
Richmond, VA
Erie-Michigan Division
Columbus, OH
Dayton, OH
Indianapolis-Carmel, IN
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI x4
Southeast Division
Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC
Raleigh-Cary, NC
Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA x2
Memphis, TN-MS-AR
Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN
Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN
Subtropical Division
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL x2
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL
Jacksonville, FL
Birmingham-Hoover, AL
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA
Baton Rouge, LA
Texas Division
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX x2
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX x2
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX
El Paso, TX
Oklahoma City, OK
Central Division
St. Louis, MO-IL
Kansas City, MO-KS
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI
Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI
Tulsa, OK
Edmonton, AB
Calgary, AB
Great Western Division
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA
Vancouver-Surrey-Burnaby, BC
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Albuquerque, NM
Salt Lake City, UT
Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO
Southern California Division
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA x5
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA
Bakersfield-Delano, CA
Northern California Division
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA
Fresno, CA
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA x2
Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville, CA
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
Honolulu, HI
Las Vegas-Paradise, NV
Yeah, that was a screw up, because I went by a Wikipedia list of MSAs that doesn't include San Juan. By the time I figured that out I'd already aligned everything and didn't want to go through it again.
None of those other teams are in the same time zone as Seattle.
we have enough trouble as it is without losing half of the 4 dozen fans we got left
As well, I can't imagine that the fans in Vancouver would be happy to see their #1 starter be Jo-Jo Reyes.
Once we get that single issue sorted out, the league should be good to go.
30 MLB + 14 International League + 16 Pacific League + 14 Mexican League = 74 teams
The infrastructure is there.
AL East
NYY
TB
Bos
Bal
NL East
NYM
Cin
Pitt
Phi
NL Southeast
Wash
Atl
Mia
Charlotte
AL Great Lakes (and Newark)
Det
Tor
Cle
Newark
AL Central
Min
CHW
Tex
KC
NL Central
Hou
Stl
CHC
Mil
AL West
LAA
SEA
Col (one team moves)
Oak
NL West
LAD
SD
AZ
SF
That puts the 3 NY area teams in 3 separate divisions, maximizing TV revenue for everyone. Only Colorado has to change leagues and I think everyone (except Ubaldo Jimenez) wants to see the DH in Colorado. There is a top 3 media market in each division except the NL SE (NY, NY, ATL/WASH, NY, CHI, CHI, LA, LA). All division games are within time-zone except for Colorado. Baseball maximized for television.
It seems like Charlotte has done more harm than good to the NFL, and I know that the NBA wishes it had never expanded there. I know the MLB is more of a regional product, but it isn't very easy to grow a fanbase in the South. Maybe if the pitcher came to the mound in a stock car they would have more of an allegiance.
My Strat-O-Matic league has these teams (a few fictional ones) represented:
Aberdeen
Adelaide
Amsterdam
Arizona
Athens
Atlanta
Ballykissangel
Baltimore
Bangkok
Barcelona
Barnsley
Bath
Bedford
Bejing
Belfast
Berlin
Birmingham
Blackburn
Blackpool
Boise
Boston Bees
Boston Red Sox
Bradford
Brighton
Brisbane
Bristol
Brooklyn
Brussels
Bucharest
Budapest
Buffalo
Cairo
Calgary
Cambridge
Canberra
Cardiff
Charlotte
Chester
Chiba Lotte
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Chunichi
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Colorado
Columbus
Cork
Coventry
Crawley
Crystal Palace
Detroit
Dibley
Dover
Dublin
Dundrum
Dunedin
Dunfermline
Durham
Edinburgh
Edmonton
Elizabeth
Felixstowe
Fife
Fleetwood
Florida
Gibraltar
Glasgow
Gotham City
Gothenburg
Griffith Park
Grimsby
Halifax
Hamamatsu
Hamilton
Hanshin
Hartford
Hatfield
Havana
Hawaii
Haworth
Hendon
Hinata City
Hiroshima
Homestead
Hong Kong
Houston
Hull
Indianapolis
Ipswich
Jersey
Kansas City Monarchs
Kansas City Royals
Kendal
Kensington
Kia
King's Lynn
Kintetsu
Kitakyushu
Kyoto
Lancaster
Las Vegas
Leeds
Leicester
Lisbon
Liverpool
Los Angeles Angels
Los Angeles Dodgers
Louisville
Lyme Regis
Madrid
Manchester
Melbourne
Memphis
Mexico City
Milan
Milton Keynes
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Monaco
Montreal
Moscow
Mumbai
Munich
Nankai
New Orleans
New Westminster
New York Giants
New York Mets
New York Yankees
Newark
Newcastle
Niigata
Nippon Ham
Northampton
Notting Hill
Nottingham
Oakland
Ohio
Oklahoma City
Orix
Oslo
Ottawa
Oxford
Paddington
Paris
Pembroke
Perivale
Perth
Philadelphia Athletics
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh
Plymouth
Portland
Preston
Providence
Quebec City
Reading
Regina
Richmond
Rockford
Rome
Sacramento
Salisbury
San Diego
San Francisco
San Juan
Seattle Mariners
Seattle Pilots
Seibu
Shanghai
Sheffield
Shrewsbury
Silverstone
Softbank
Soho
Southampton
Spokane
St. Helens
St. Louis Browns
St. Louis Cardinals
Stockholm
Stoke-on-Trent
Stranraer
Stratford
Sunderland
Sydney
Syracuse
Tacoma
Taipai
Taiyo
Tampa Bay
Texas
Tohuku Rakuten
Toledo
Toronto
Troy
Vancouver
Västerås
Venice
Victoria
Vienna
Vilnius
Warsaw
Warton
Washington Nationals
Washington Senators
Wellington
Wessex
Winchester
Winnepeg
Yakult
Yokohama
Yomiuri
York
Charlotte is a boom town, but it is a banking town. One of the big two (Bank of America) hasn't had a great few years, and the other (Wachovia) was gobbled up by Wells Fargo during the bailouts. Charlotte got hit pretty hard by the financial sector meltdown, and unlike Manhattan it doesn't have a lot of secondary industry (and tourism) to balance out that hit.
Maybe if there were more teams around the southeast, such that people didn't have to plan their baseball around week long vacations or three-day weekends into other regions/cities, there would be more "fans."
Baseball fans in the south are either Marlins fans (Miami metro), Rays fans (Central and North FL), Braves fans (GA, AL, TN, SC), or transplants (South FL, suburban ATL.) Once you get into NC you start hitting Mets fans, mostly. Thus, Dial.
If you put a team in Charlotte, it would play as well as Kansas City or Pittsburgh, I think.
A Charlotte franchise would probably also get TV/radio deals from the Research Triangle (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill), now a top 25 market. In fact, come 2025 or 2030 the Triangle might make more sense as a MLB market than Charlotte; it's certainly more stable from an economic perspective, thanks to UNC, NCSU and Duke.
Charlotte did support the NBA until George Shinn started screwing cheerleaders, mismanaged his money, tried to blame his problems on the city, and then ran off. The Bobcats have been so poorly marketed, it's kind of amazing they're still in town. I honestly wish they'd leave just because I feel sorry for them.
The Panthers have had their ups and downs, but there has generally been good support. The fans are fair-weather, but maybe once their kids grow up as lifelong Panthers fans that'll turn around.
Having said all that...
I would love love love to have professional baseball in Charlotte, but I don't see any possible way this market could support it. There's just not enough "here" here.
W/Montreal
AL East
NYY
Montreal
Bos
Bal
NL Southeast
Wash
Atl
Mia
Tampa Bay
w/Mexico
NL South
Wash
Atl
Mia
Houston
NL Central
Mexico City
Stl
CHC
Mil
w/Portland
NL South
Wash
Atl
Mia
Houston
NL Central
Colorado
Stl
CHC
Mil
AL West
LAA
SEA
Portland
Oak
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