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Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Olbermann: Exclusive: Yanks, Marlins Talk A-Rod Trade

Now with Update!

Updated 4:04 PM EDT: Yankees’ Senior Vice President Brian Cashman has denied to MLB.Com’s Yankees’ beat reporter Bryan Hoch that there have been any A-Rod trade talks with the Marlins.

Bryan Hoch ‏@BryanHoch

Yankees GM Brian Cashman says a report of A-Rod discussions with Marlins is “not true.”

Cash – whom I like – is, say, incorrect.

I’d also like to point out that the last time Brian Cashman denied something involving me, it was to tell me and a crowd of reporters that my tweet showing Rodriguez receiving post-pitch detail signals from the stands on Opening Day in 2011 was not an issue for the ballclub and the team was just fine with me and had no problem and everything was just fine.

Three months later they threw me out as Bob Wolff’s assistant at the P.A. microphone for Old Timers’ Day and leaked it to The New York Post.

Thanks to Drew.

Repoz Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:13 PM | 73 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4274443)
Olby and A-Rod: two preening, overpaid has-beens.
   2. Swedish Chef Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4274447)
I’d also like to point out that the last time Brian Cashman denied something involving me

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   3. AROM Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4274454)
Sure, Yankees could use a shortstop tonight, but it's a bit late to get Jose Reyes on the postseason roster.
   4. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4274466)
I remember when the Yankees were talking about trading Bernie Williams to the Rockies during the 1999 ALCS.
   5. JE (Jason) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4274474)
All kidding aside, does anyone think this Marlins organization -- you know, the one that traded for Ozzie Guillen, would have zero interest?
   6. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4274484)
I can't believe this having any credibility but... please be true!
   7. Chris Needham Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4274485)
Miss Precious Perfect was unavailable for comment.
   8. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4274487)
Olby and A-Rod: two preening, overpaid has-beens.


Is Olbermann a has been? He's certainly fallen from the heights he enjoyed in 2008, but unlike A-Rod, Olby is still young for his business and he remains absolutely supremely talented. I think it's more likely than not that Olbermann will be a have at least one more act before the curtain finally falls for good on his mainstream relevance.

---

I think the solution for A-Rod is painfully clear: he has to be a DH. Placed in a hitter's park, in a low pressure and warm weather environment, I bet he could thrive and have at least one or two more big-ish seasons at the dish.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4274488)
You mean the Marlins organization that spent "big" this paat season, flopped, then dumped as much salary as they could? I don't think they'd be chomping at the bit to pick up ARod unless he's priced in Zambrano territory (the better comp than Guillen probably).

But, sure, this is kinda believable ... if it was said to happen next week. Cashman is not going to talk trade during the playoffs and the Marlins are not gonna call him to do so. Heck, do the Marlins even have a GM right now, didn't they fire Beinfest?
   10. Swedish Chef Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4274494)
All kidding aside, does anyone think this Marlins organization -- you know, the one that traded for Ozzie Guillen, would have zero interest?

I'm sure they would be interested if the the Yankees ate north of 100 million. They were after Pujols, they still want a prestige piece on the team, but they are rather more savvy (and cheap) than the Reagins Angels so they won't just back up the money truck.

A-Rod would have to agree though.
   11. JE (Jason) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4274495)
Cashman is not going to talk trade during the playoffs and the Marlins are not gonna call him to do so.

OK, but couldn't one reasonably argue that Cashman is less busy this week than at any other time of the year? Why not take a phone call from South Florida?
   12. Swedish Chef Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4274503)
Heck, do the Marlins even have a GM right now, didn't they fire Beinfest?

There was rumors. Nothing has happened.

And what does Michael Hill have to do to get any little shred of respect? He has been GM for 5 years now.
   13. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4274504)
All kidding aside, does anyone think this Marlins organization -- you know, the one that traded for Ozzie Guillen, would have zero interest?


The deal allegedly proposed is ludicrous and would be possibly awesome for the Marlins. The Yankees would trade A-Rod for Heath Bell, while picking up all of A-Rod's salary minus the money owed to Bell. For the Marlins that's A-Rod at 5/18, or really at 2/18 with 3 free years at the end. Sure he'll probably be dead weight by 2015, but it doesn't cost anything to release a guy earning nothing.

Maybe A-Rod is the 261/341/369 guy he was after coming off of the DL, in which case he's not a good ballplayer. But if he he can rebound to be a 1.5 WAR player (which would be the worst full season of his career) then it's a likely win for the Marlins, especially as decent 3Bs are a lot scarcer than decent relievers.
   14. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4274509)
I actually think ARod could be a good fit for the Orioles as a 1b and part time DH. But the Yankees would have to eat 75% of the contract, so I don't think that's gonna happen.
   15. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4274510)
A-Rod would have to agree though.


Is Girardi in on the plan?
   16. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4274515)
Is Girardi in on the plan?
I was about to say. This postseason would seem to be a conspiracy to make him feel unwanted.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4274529)
Wait, is that Keith Olbermann of CURRENT TV?
   18. Big fan Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4274535)
It would make the wacky moves of the past week make sense. Would you rally wanna bench a guy and embarass him if you knew he was going to be around 5 more years? But if they know they have a trading partner (and need his approval) it all makes sense.
   19. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4274560)
I think the solution for A-Rod is painfully clear: he has to be a DH. Placed in a hitter's park, in a low pressure and warm weather environment, I bet he could thrive and have at least one or two more big-ish seasons at the dish.


Like the Astros? They'll need a DH starting next year...
   20. JE (Jason) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4274570)
According to David Waldstein, A-Rod and Granderson are not in tonight's starting lineup.
   21. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4274581)
I don't think they'd be chomping at the bit to pick up ARod

I always say "champing at the bit", but apparently it's lost out to chomping.
   22. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4274589)
Is Olbermann a has been? He's certainly fallen from the heights he enjoyed in 2008, but unlike A-Rod, Olby is still young for his business and he remains absolutely supremely talented. I think it's more likely than not that Olbermann will be a have at least one more act before the curtain finally falls for good on his mainstream relevance.


The problem is:

In this age of media consolidation, he's already burned his bridges with too many prospective employers, as well as scaring possible new ones with well-sourced prima donna stories.

I don't think his style would work with CBS News. He's burned NBC and ABC. He is not an idealogical match for FOX, and is probably not one for CNN. HBO?
   23. Swedish Chef Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4274599)
HBO?

ESPN
   24. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4274614)
I always say "champing at the bit", but apparently it's lost out to chomping.



Champing vs. chomping:

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=champing+at+the+bit,chomping+at+the+bit&year_start=1840&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3

(I'd post it as a link, but I think the software doesn't like links with question marks in them.)
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4274618)
Olbermann doesn't have a job at this point, does he? I think that makes him a has-been.
   26. phredbird Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4274621)
loria wants a centaur to go with his other pieces of postmodern art.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4274625)
The Colbert show implied that Colbert has killed Olberman...I don't think the world will miss him.

I'm sorry but you are a personality at a desk, for one person to be that full of himself is ridiculous. He's not even a director or a comedic writer to claim he has any real talent, is silly, his talent is strictly his image personality, when it becomes obvious to everyone watching, due to tabloid like reports, that you are an utter contemptible human being, that personality loses a lot of it's luster.


Michael Moore is the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh
and Keith Olbermann is the liberal version of Donald Trump.
   28. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4274627)
A Google search doesn't pull up articles more recent than April of this year, with him and Current suing each other for breach of contract. Until that thing gets settled, he may not feel that he has the legal clearance to pursue another opportunity.

But the clock is ticking; at some point he becomes irrelevant, I think.
   29. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4274637)
Olbermann is owed only about half of what Rod is owed on a seemingly dead contract. Is A-Rod a more valuable property for the Yankees or is Olbermann a more valuable property for Current?
   30. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4274647)
Michael Moore is the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh
and Keith Olbermann is the liberal version of Donald Trump.


I like your thinking on the latter one, but I don't think it holds water. Olbermann is better at his profession than Trump is, by a really big factor. It's odd (and, I'm sure unexpected) that Olbermann's legacy might be putting Rachel Maddow on TV.
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:15 PM (#4274703)
I like your thinking on the latter one, but I don't think it holds water. Olbermann is better at his profession than Trump is, by a really big factor. It's odd (and, I'm sure unexpected) that Olbermann's legacy might be putting Rachel Maddow on TV.


Maybe he's better, but at the same time, it's all about "Him". Both seem to think that their primary job description is to market their name. And to be honest, Olberman's reputation as a human being, is much lower than Trumps. And that is saying something. Trump might be a criminal, and ethically bankrupt and an utter douche, but Olberman is portrayed as a workplace ####### of the highest degree. He's not even the boss, but thinks his place is so secure that he can treat his coworkers like crap. Whether that is reality or not, doesn't matter, it's his reputation.

I do not see how anyone can say he's talented still, as I said, his primary job skill is to portray himself in a likeable way on whatever he is broadcasting, and his reputation has pretty much ruined that portrayal. Now he's just a typical douche bag, if he was a conservative, he would fit right in with Fox News.
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4274712)
Three months later they threw me out . . .

What's the chance that Olbermann did something dickish in the intervening 3 months? 100%? Olbermann has politicized himself to a degree that precludes his working as just another announcer.
   33. Mark Donelson Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4274721)
And to be honest, Olberman's reputation as a human being, is much lower than Trumps. And that is saying something. Trump might be a criminal, and ethically bankrupt and an utter douche, but Olberman is portrayed as a workplace ####### of the highest degree.

I'm not saying either is great, but workplace ####### is worse than ethically bankrupt criminal, when it comes to "reputation as a human being"? I think I differ...
   34. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4274724)
I actually think ARod could be a good fit for the Orioles as a 1b and part time DH. But the Yankees would have to eat 75% of the contract, so I don't think that's gonna happen.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but if you insert Red Sox as the team, it still works. But then again, A-rod on the Sox could reach comedic heights not seen in quite some time. The fan base would be brutal(so no changes there)

   35. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4274726)
I'm not saying either is great, but workplace ####### is worse than ethically bankrupt criminal, when it comes to "reputation as a human being"? I think I differ...


Well, I deal with republican friends, and Trumps lack of Ethics is a clear sign of good management. It's how a business should be run.

When I think of quality human being, I think of how people treat people they deal with directly.
   36. Mark Donelson Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4274733)
Trumps lack of Ethics is a clear sign of good management. It's how a business should be run.

Yikes! Gonna have to differ there, too.
   37. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:28 PM (#4274742)
I have a feeling A-Rod will be a Dodger in 2013. With the new owners giving Colletti an unlimited budget, he won't be able to resist trading someone like Dee Gordon for him.
   38. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:32 PM (#4274750)
I have a feeling A-Rod will be a Dodger in 2013. With the new owners giving Colletti an unlimited budget, he won't be able to resist trading someone like Dee Gordon for him.


You're not the first to say that, but I just don't see it. They would be better served making a big free agent signing of their own, instead of acquiring a league average player(regardless of what it costs them) with a reputation of being a choker.

   39. Swedish Chef Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4274788)
Well, I deal with republican friends, and Trumps lack of Ethics is a clear sign of good management. It's how a business should be run.

Heartless and ruthless sure, but I'm sure most owners like their CEOs or GPs to have a fairly good moral compass, because their money is the easiest target for a crooked one.
   40. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 17, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4274792)
[38] The best infielder on the free agent market is ... Kelly Johnson? (I'm not counting any of the guys with options) After Hamilton and Napoli, there is very little hitting there at all. Cabrera, Swisher, Upton, and Pagan are alright, but with Crawford under contract, there's no need to sign an outfielder.
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 07:23 PM (#4274815)
[38] The best infielder on the free agent market is ... Kelly Johnson? (I'm not counting any of the guys with options) After Hamilton and Napoli, there is very little hitting there at all. Cabrera, Swisher, Upton, and Pagan are alright, but with Crawford under contract, there's no need to sign an outfielder.


I don't know the Dodgers farm system, but they have a pretty good lineup (regardles of performance this year)

C Aj Ellis (Where did he come from... a 31 year old pre-arby player with a 110 ops+)
1b Adrian Gonzalez
2b ?????
SS Hanley(or 3b)
3b ?????
OF Kemp
OF Ethier
OF Crawford

It's not elite, but pretty good, I just don't see them really investing in a league average player like Arod even if most of the salary is covered by someone else.
   42. AndrewJ Posted: October 17, 2012 at 07:47 PM (#4274830)
I don't think his style would work with CBS News. He's burned NBC and ABC. He is not an idealogical match for FOX, and is probably not one for CNN. HBO?

I could see Keith as an MLB Network talking head; they could even give him his own baseball history series. And should a Romney White House zero out government funding for public broadcasting, he'd be a perfect host of a reconfigured PBS nightly news show.
   43. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: October 17, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4274847)
A-Rod will approve the deal as soon as he finds out how many dancing girls there are to hit on in the Clevelander.
   44. AROM Posted: October 17, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4274869)
"I like your thinking on the latter one, but I don't think it holds water. Olbermann is better at his profession than Trump is, by a really big factor. It's odd (and, I'm sure unexpected) that Olbermann's legacy might be putting Rachel Maddow on TV."

You serious? I can't stand Trump and everything he says publicly is pretty much BS. But his primary profession is making money in real estate, and like him or not, he's been extremely successful at it.
   45. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 17, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4274882)
Yes. I think Trump is an underfunded showman. Do legitimate billionaires host reality shows? And he's been very slippery and evasive when asked specifics about his net worth, pretty much since the Eighties.
   46. CrosbyBird Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4274896)
I can't stand Trump and everything he says publicly is pretty much BS. But his primary profession is making money in real estate, and like him or not, he's been extremely successful at it.

I'm not sure if Trump is exceptional at the business of real estate or if he's just pretty good and taking advantage of being obscenely wealthy; lenders will allow him to leverage himself to a degree that they'd never allow a regular person because they're too heavily invested to allow him to go completely bust. He's also been really good at insulating his personal wealth from his business wealth; his companies can collapse without serious threat to his own resources.

What he has been remarkably good at is branding. He didn't have to build his name from scratch but he turned it into a household name.
   47. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4274909)
Trumps lack of Ethics is a clear sign of good management. It's how a business should be run.

You don't run a business, do you?
   48. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4274913)
And what does Michael Hill have to do to get any little shred of respect?

Get Beinfest fired. :-)

Seriously, perhaps I'm being unfair to Hill but when a guy as good as Beinfest gets kicked upstairs then either (a) he's still the man or (b) he leaves quickly if he's been pushed aside. It is of course possible that he wants to be a team president (or whatever his title is) and Hill really is the GM. But ...

I don't care what Jed Hoyer's title is, the Cubs are paying Theo a ton of money to build a team. I don't have a clue what titles Pat Gillick held in his various positions, but I'm pretty sure he was always the de facto GM. I don't know if Jocketty is the GM in Cincy or not but he's the GM in Cincy.

I'm confident that guys like Hill and Hoyer have more input and more responsibility than a standard assistant GM. But I don't think they're the guys calling the shots.
   49. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4274920)
2b ?????

That would be (mostly) Mark Ellis, already under contract for 2013 and still productive. bWAR still has him as excellent defensively and the bat bounced back a bit this year. Anyway, 7.4 WAR over the last 3 years in under 1500 PA.

You don't run a business, do you?

You haven't taken your sarcasm detector in for a tune-up lately, have you?

I have zero doubt the Apprentice would be a lot more entertaining if HW was the star.
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4274926)
You don't run a business, do you?


My comment was my republican friends theory on running a business. I don't believe it in the least, but too many repubs seem to think that the only way to run a business is to base all decisions on profit margin/profits.
   51. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4274931)
Seriously, how much do you think Donald has in the bank, liquid? I'm going with something under a million.
   52. LargeBill Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:00 PM (#4274946)
Does anyone put any credence in Olbermann having an actual source for this or do most agree that he made that up to throw out a suggestion as though it is a real potential trade?

My numbers could be off, but I think A-Rod is owed 114 million. Even if NYY picks up half of it the receiving team is on the hook for north of 50 million for a player clearly no longer able to hit at that value. Even if A-Rod has a great season left in him the team acquiring him is also getting the next year and the year after that and so on. I realize it only takes one stupid owner to make a bad deal, but I think he's untradable.
   53. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4274971)
On the Dodgers and ARod ... I know that, just as SBB has shown we can't question Girardi, I should never question Colletti's insight, but I have a hard time seeing how even he could be dumb enough to trade for ARod. All the obvious risks to ARod aside:

a) they have Hanley under contract for two more years and acquiring ARod would lock Hanley into full-time SS;
b) because they have AGon locked up until the second Jenna Bush administration at 1B;
c) it's unlikely the NL is going to adopt the DH just for ARod.

I suppose in one of the infinite number of universes (ergo maybe this one) swapping Hanley for ARod and tons of cash happens.

Anyway, the Dodgers already have a high-priced former SS who is also a formerly outstanding hitter that they are hoping rebounds to being an excellent hitter at 3B.

Granted, were I Cashman, it costs no more than a phone call (I'm assuming Ned does not skype).
   54. Monty Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4274980)
Does anyone put any credence in Olbermann having an actual source for this or do most agree that he made that up to throw out a suggestion as though it is a real potential trade?


I don't think Olbermann would just straight-up invent a story. He thinks too highly of himself to do that.
   55. akrasian Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4274983)
My numbers could be off, but I think A-Rod is owed 114 million. Even if NYY picks up half of it the receiving team is on the hook for north of 50 million for a player clearly no longer able to hit at that value. Even if A-Rod has a great season left in him the team acquiring him is also getting the next year and the year after that and so on. I realize it only takes one stupid owner to make a bad deal, but I think he's untradable.

The Yanks would need to eat more than half, at least. He has $114 million in base salary coming - plus he is owed a $6 million bonus when he gets to 660 hrs (he's at 647 - that's a gimme unless he's so horrible his career's over). He gets another $6 million at 714 - if he doesn't get that then he is too crappy to trade for anyway. So figure at least $126 million (the other bonuses are far enough away that his value would likely be okay if he reaches them).

Given the risk of total collapse, I doubt any team would even want to pay him $50 million for the next 5 seasons. I'm guessing the interest would start to be there if the Yankees picked up about $86 million of his salary.
   56. valuearbitrageur Posted: October 17, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4274987)
You serious? I can't stand Trump and everything he says publicly is pretty much BS. But his primary profession is making money in real estate, and like him or not, he's been extremely successful at it.


Since when is "been extremely successful" mean inheriting hundreds of millions of dollars, taking on such massive leverage to increase his returns that he nearly went bankrupt at least once, while only while ending up increasing his net worth at only a mediocre rate at best?

Trump has been caught many times massively inflating his net worth, and his ownership percentage of many properties, even to the point of claiming he was an owner or part owner of properties his firm just managed. He claims a net worth of $7B or so, but independent estimates of his net worth usually range from $200m to $2B. Even a 10x increase in his net worth over only 30 years works out to about an 8% annualized return, and that's assuming he's actually worth $2B, not any less. If he's worth $1B or less he should have put his inheritance in T-Bills.

Warren Buffett was only worth $140m in 1979, yet within 20 years he was worth $35B, without taking on leverage, or ever sniffing any risk of failure.

Trump started at roughly the same time and with a similar amount of money. Yet despite taking massive risk over 30 years, at best Trump has created maybe 5% of the wealth Buffett created in 20 years starting from the same level. Yet Trump is the one running for President and giving advice to everyone?
   57. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4274993)
I don't question Trump's ability to self-promote. I actually question Trump's business acumen. With Trump's resources and his home base of New York, he should be a lot richer. Anyone with decent resources should have made a killing in real estate development in NYC from 1980-2010.
   58. Barnaby Jones Posted: October 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4275006)
Seriously, perhaps I'm being unfair to Hill but when a guy as good as Beinfest gets kicked upstairs then either (a) he's still the man or (b) he leaves quickly if he's been pushed aside. It is of course possible that he wants to be a team president (or whatever his title is) and Hill really is the GM. But ...


Frank Wren is going to so disappointed to hear that Schuerholz has still been the crypto-GM these past few years.
   59. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: October 18, 2012 at 04:21 AM (#4275061)
Yes. I think Trump is an underfunded showman. Do legitimate billionaires host reality shows? And he's been very slippery and evasive when asked specifics about his net worth, pretty much since the Eighties.

In 2011, Forbes valued him at $2.7 billion. The reality shows are just because he likes attention.

On the other hand, he continues to lose money running casinos (his casino management company has declared bankruptcy like three times) which you would assume is nearly impossible.
   60. Walt Davis Posted: October 18, 2012 at 07:02 AM (#4275075)
Frank Wren is going to so disappointed to hear that Schuerholz has still been the crypto-GM these past few years.

Well, I do believe in "I can retire or I can take a cushy job as president of the braves and keep getting a hefty paycheck ... tough choice!"

Schuerholz is 72 now and moved out of the GM role at 67. Sure, I can believe he isn't GM anymore, even if Gillick kept going until he was 71. Beinfest is 48 and Theo is 39 and that's a completely different ballgame. Even Jocketty is just 61 (and seems to hold the title GM).

Really all I'm saying is that, like the rest of the corporate world, we're seeing "title inflation." I don't think we had Presidents of Baseball Operations when I was a kid ... and if we did, nobody knew who they were.

But it is definitely possible that Beinfest and Theo have a genuine interest in more organization-wide strategic roles and not player acquisition, etc. and they see this as a big step forward in their careers as ... what ... future CEOs of baseball teams, MLB commissioner ... not sure what the step after PBO is. Anyway, I just have my doubts.

But I'm sure Beinfest would be happy to let Hill take credit for the Heath Bell contract.
   61. bob gee Posted: October 18, 2012 at 07:12 AM (#4275077)
trump's got what, 3 bankruptcies under his belt? his acumen comes primarily from self-promotion and getting others to do things like:

1) put up lots of money for projects (taking on the risk) while trump gets a bigger-than-normal equity share for use of his name.
2) give him tons of money and during bad times, get them to refinance the loan at very favorable conditions.

59 - just read your post. i think the number is 3 as well.
   62. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: October 18, 2012 at 08:23 AM (#4275101)

The problem is:

In this age of media consolidation, he's already burned his bridges with too many prospective employers, as well as scaring possible new ones with well-sourced prima donna stories.

I don't think his style would work with CBS News. He's burned NBC and ABC. He is not an idealogical match for FOX, and is probably not one for CNN. HBO?


You raise a very good point, and I agree about CBS and CNN. However, there could be a place for Olbermann on any leftish leaning network that wants some instant credibility, and I think he'd actually make a fine partner to Bill Maher on HBO. Maybe if Showtime decides to counter Real Time? Another possibility is any major cable network that decides to delve into late night original programming (i.e. USA/TNT.)

My totally unrealistic programming dream would be a travel show consisting of Anthony Bourdain and Keith Olbermann on road trips with a different, zany guest every week.
   63. The District Attorney Posted: October 18, 2012 at 08:43 AM (#4275114)
Yet Trump is the one running for President and giving advice to everyone?
I don't think you can properly describe him as "running for President." There was a period when he demurred when asked, as pretty much everyone does whether or not they end up running (and even if they give an emphatic "no", people tend to assume they're running anyway.) But he never took any of the serious steps that a real candidate takes.

It's truly sad that he did lead a primary poll at one point, though.
   64. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 18, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4275124)
He is not an idealogical match for FOX


Are you claiming Fox is not fair and balanced? Bill O'Reilly is going to call you a pinhead.
   65. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4275165)
The reality shows are just because he likes attention.


He probably likes the cash flow from them, too.
   66. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 18, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4275187)
Another possibility is any major cable network that decides to delve into late night original programming (i.e. USA/TNT.)


One of the issues with consolidation is that it's a very small universe. One of the long-term issues with the way Olbermann has conducted himself is that any of his prior coworkers who now has decision power over his hiring at a new place is not disposed to look past his problems. Maybe there was some producer at Current who's now in charge of hiring on-air talent at USA.

Also, a problem with consolidation is that everyone owns everyone. CNN, for example, is cousins with TNT. USA seems to be sister channels with MSNBC.
   67. valuearbitrageur Posted: October 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4275252)
The main problem Olbermann has is Olbermann, not consolidation.
   68. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 18, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4275396)
Unless an ARod deal absolutely knocks a team out of their socks (where they Yankees 90% of the salary, and team B only has to give up a mid-level prospect), I really hope all of the other MLB teams refuse to take ARod off the Yankees hands.

Let them try to clean up their own mess.
   69. GregD Posted: October 18, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4275406)
At NY mag, Will Leitch makes the reasonable point that A-Rod was 9th in 3rd baseman OPS and none of the 8 guys above him are free agents. However annoying he is, how are they going to replace him? It's back to Stengel's axiom that you don't bench a guy because you've given up on him; you bench him because you've identified somebody better.
   70. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 18, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4275536)
The deal allegedly proposed is ludicrous and would be possibly awesome for the Marlins. The Yankees would trade A-Rod for Heath Bell


This is sorta screwy but I want to mention: a few weeks ago I was back in South Florida and met up with an old middle school chum who found me through the miracle of Facebook. We were both big baseball fans as kids and we spent quite a long time talking about the game. This fella is now an insurance claims adjuster, and his company owns the policy on the new stadium the Marlins are playing in. As part of the policy his company keeps a claims adjuster on-site at all events, and since he's a baseball fan he's almost always the guy who gets the job (which explained all the pics on his FB page, I mistakenly assumed he had season tickets and went to lots of concerts).

In his professional capacity as the official claims adjuster he has full access to the facility and he mentioned that he'd met pretty much every member of the front office, some of whom were very genial guys who would recognize him and call him over to chat. Interesting, sure, he knows some rich welfare queens, good for him.

But here's the thing - almost two weeks ago Greg (my friend) emailed me the following: "Ready to ship A Rod and $100 million to the Marlins for Heath Bell?"

Lucky guess? Inside tip? Who knows, but when I saw the article above and I did a double-take. Maybe he just called Olberman with his imagined trade scenario. Hmph.
   71. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 18, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4275549)
At NY mag, Will Leitch makes the reasonable point that A-Rod was 9th in 3rd baseman OPS and none of the 8 guys above him are free agents. However annoying he is, how are they going to replace him?


Eric Chavez out-OPSed him by 60 points this year. Of course, we all know Chavez would pull eight different muscles if he played more than two straight games in the field, but that might be a place to start.
   72. Randy Jones Posted: October 18, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4275554)
Eric Chavez vs LHP this year:

39 PA, .152/.231/.152
   73. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: October 18, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4275652)

One of the issues with consolidation is that it's a very small universe. One of the long-term issues with the way Olbermann has conducted himself is that any of his prior coworkers who now has decision power over his hiring at a new place is not disposed to look past his problems. Maybe there was some producer at Current who's now in charge of hiring on-air talent at USA.

Also, a problem with consolidation is that everyone owns everyone. CNN, for example, is cousins with TNT. USA seems to be sister channels with MSNBC.


Hrm.

Well, I suppose it's hard to see where Olbermann might land due to consolidation. My thought would be that there must be some significant freedom under some umbrella (i.e. HBO or Showtime, maybe?) that would be willing to tolerate Olbermann. Maher + Olby do make quite a bit of sense.

In the alternative, NPR/PBS really does make a *ton of sense*.

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