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1. RMc don't hate anyone Asian Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4274443)Me me me me ME me Me ME me me me me I I I I ego ego ego ME me me me me me me me je je je me Ich Ich ? ? ? jag jag jag me me me
Is Olbermann a has been? He's certainly fallen from the heights he enjoyed in 2008, but unlike A-Rod, Olby is still young for his business and he remains absolutely supremely talented. I think it's more likely than not that Olbermann will be a have at least one more act before the curtain finally falls for good on his mainstream relevance.
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I think the solution for A-Rod is painfully clear: he has to be a DH. Placed in a hitter's park, in a low pressure and warm weather environment, I bet he could thrive and have at least one or two more big-ish seasons at the dish.
But, sure, this is kinda believable ... if it was said to happen next week. Cashman is not going to talk trade during the playoffs and the Marlins are not gonna call him to do so. Heck, do the Marlins even have a GM right now, didn't they fire Beinfest?
I'm sure they would be interested if the the Yankees ate north of 100 million. They were after Pujols, they still want a prestige piece on the team, but they are rather more savvy (and cheap) than the Reagins Angels so they won't just back up the money truck.
A-Rod would have to agree though.
OK, but couldn't one reasonably argue that Cashman is less busy this week than at any other time of the year? Why not take a phone call from South Florida?
There was rumors. Nothing has happened.
And what does Michael Hill have to do to get any little shred of respect? He has been GM for 5 years now.
The deal allegedly proposed is ludicrous and would be possibly awesome for the Marlins. The Yankees would trade A-Rod for Heath Bell, while picking up all of A-Rod's salary minus the money owed to Bell. For the Marlins that's A-Rod at 5/18, or really at 2/18 with 3 free years at the end. Sure he'll probably be dead weight by 2015, but it doesn't cost anything to release a guy earning nothing.
Maybe A-Rod is the 261/341/369 guy he was after coming off of the DL, in which case he's not a good ballplayer. But if he he can rebound to be a 1.5 WAR player (which would be the worst full season of his career) then it's a likely win for the Marlins, especially as decent 3Bs are a lot scarcer than decent relievers.
Is Girardi in on the plan?
Like the Astros? They'll need a DH starting next year...
I always say "champing at the bit", but apparently it's lost out to chomping.
The problem is:
In this age of media consolidation, he's already burned his bridges with too many prospective employers, as well as scaring possible new ones with well-sourced prima donna stories.
I don't think his style would work with CBS News. He's burned NBC and ABC. He is not an idealogical match for FOX, and is probably not one for CNN. HBO?
ESPN
Champing vs. chomping:
http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=champing+at+the+bit,chomping+at+the+bit&year_start=1840&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3
(I'd post it as a link, but I think the software doesn't like links with question marks in them.)
I'm sorry but you are a personality at a desk, for one person to be that full of himself is ridiculous. He's not even a director or a comedic writer to claim he has any real talent, is silly, his talent is strictly his image personality, when it becomes obvious to everyone watching, due to tabloid like reports, that you are an utter contemptible human being, that personality loses a lot of it's luster.
Michael Moore is the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh
and Keith Olbermann is the liberal version of Donald Trump.
But the clock is ticking; at some point he becomes irrelevant, I think.
I like your thinking on the latter one, but I don't think it holds water. Olbermann is better at his profession than Trump is, by a really big factor. It's odd (and, I'm sure unexpected) that Olbermann's legacy might be putting Rachel Maddow on TV.
Maybe he's better, but at the same time, it's all about "Him". Both seem to think that their primary job description is to market their name. And to be honest, Olberman's reputation as a human being, is much lower than Trumps. And that is saying something. Trump might be a criminal, and ethically bankrupt and an utter douche, but Olberman is portrayed as a workplace ####### of the highest degree. He's not even the boss, but thinks his place is so secure that he can treat his coworkers like crap. Whether that is reality or not, doesn't matter, it's his reputation.
I do not see how anyone can say he's talented still, as I said, his primary job skill is to portray himself in a likeable way on whatever he is broadcasting, and his reputation has pretty much ruined that portrayal. Now he's just a typical douche bag, if he was a conservative, he would fit right in with Fox News.
What's the chance that Olbermann did something dickish in the intervening 3 months? 100%? Olbermann has politicized himself to a degree that precludes his working as just another announcer.
I'm not saying either is great, but workplace ####### is worse than ethically bankrupt criminal, when it comes to "reputation as a human being"? I think I differ...
I can't believe I'm saying this, but if you insert Red Sox as the team, it still works. But then again, A-rod on the Sox could reach comedic heights not seen in quite some time. The fan base would be brutal(so no changes there)
Well, I deal with republican friends, and Trumps lack of Ethics is a clear sign of good management. It's how a business should be run.
When I think of quality human being, I think of how people treat people they deal with directly.
Yikes! Gonna have to differ there, too.
You're not the first to say that, but I just don't see it. They would be better served making a big free agent signing of their own, instead of acquiring a league average player(regardless of what it costs them) with a reputation of being a choker.
Heartless and ruthless sure, but I'm sure most owners like their CEOs or GPs to have a fairly good moral compass, because their money is the easiest target for a crooked one.
I don't know the Dodgers farm system, but they have a pretty good lineup (regardles of performance this year)
C Aj Ellis (Where did he come from... a 31 year old pre-arby player with a 110 ops+)
1b Adrian Gonzalez
2b ?????
SS Hanley(or 3b)
3b ?????
OF Kemp
OF Ethier
OF Crawford
It's not elite, but pretty good, I just don't see them really investing in a league average player like Arod even if most of the salary is covered by someone else.
I could see Keith as an MLB Network talking head; they could even give him his own baseball history series. And should a Romney White House zero out government funding for public broadcasting, he'd be a perfect host of a reconfigured PBS nightly news show.
You serious? I can't stand Trump and everything he says publicly is pretty much BS. But his primary profession is making money in real estate, and like him or not, he's been extremely successful at it.
I'm not sure if Trump is exceptional at the business of real estate or if he's just pretty good and taking advantage of being obscenely wealthy; lenders will allow him to leverage himself to a degree that they'd never allow a regular person because they're too heavily invested to allow him to go completely bust. He's also been really good at insulating his personal wealth from his business wealth; his companies can collapse without serious threat to his own resources.
What he has been remarkably good at is branding. He didn't have to build his name from scratch but he turned it into a household name.
You don't run a business, do you?
Get Beinfest fired. :-)
Seriously, perhaps I'm being unfair to Hill but when a guy as good as Beinfest gets kicked upstairs then either (a) he's still the man or (b) he leaves quickly if he's been pushed aside. It is of course possible that he wants to be a team president (or whatever his title is) and Hill really is the GM. But ...
I don't care what Jed Hoyer's title is, the Cubs are paying Theo a ton of money to build a team. I don't have a clue what titles Pat Gillick held in his various positions, but I'm pretty sure he was always the de facto GM. I don't know if Jocketty is the GM in Cincy or not but he's the GM in Cincy.
I'm confident that guys like Hill and Hoyer have more input and more responsibility than a standard assistant GM. But I don't think they're the guys calling the shots.
That would be (mostly) Mark Ellis, already under contract for 2013 and still productive. bWAR still has him as excellent defensively and the bat bounced back a bit this year. Anyway, 7.4 WAR over the last 3 years in under 1500 PA.
You don't run a business, do you?
You haven't taken your sarcasm detector in for a tune-up lately, have you?
I have zero doubt the Apprentice would be a lot more entertaining if HW was the star.
My comment was my republican friends theory on running a business. I don't believe it in the least, but too many repubs seem to think that the only way to run a business is to base all decisions on profit margin/profits.
My numbers could be off, but I think A-Rod is owed 114 million. Even if NYY picks up half of it the receiving team is on the hook for north of 50 million for a player clearly no longer able to hit at that value. Even if A-Rod has a great season left in him the team acquiring him is also getting the next year and the year after that and so on. I realize it only takes one stupid owner to make a bad deal, but I think he's untradable.
a) they have Hanley under contract for two more years and acquiring ARod would lock Hanley into full-time SS;
b) because they have AGon locked up until the second Jenna Bush administration at 1B;
c) it's unlikely the NL is going to adopt the DH just for ARod.
I suppose in one of the infinite number of universes (ergo maybe this one) swapping Hanley for ARod and tons of cash happens.
Anyway, the Dodgers already have a high-priced former SS who is also a formerly outstanding hitter that they are hoping rebounds to being an excellent hitter at 3B.
Granted, were I Cashman, it costs no more than a phone call (I'm assuming Ned does not skype).
I don't think Olbermann would just straight-up invent a story. He thinks too highly of himself to do that.
The Yanks would need to eat more than half, at least. He has $114 million in base salary coming - plus he is owed a $6 million bonus when he gets to 660 hrs (he's at 647 - that's a gimme unless he's so horrible his career's over). He gets another $6 million at 714 - if he doesn't get that then he is too crappy to trade for anyway. So figure at least $126 million (the other bonuses are far enough away that his value would likely be okay if he reaches them).
Given the risk of total collapse, I doubt any team would even want to pay him $50 million for the next 5 seasons. I'm guessing the interest would start to be there if the Yankees picked up about $86 million of his salary.
Since when is "been extremely successful" mean inheriting hundreds of millions of dollars, taking on such massive leverage to increase his returns that he nearly went bankrupt at least once, while only while ending up increasing his net worth at only a mediocre rate at best?
Trump has been caught many times massively inflating his net worth, and his ownership percentage of many properties, even to the point of claiming he was an owner or part owner of properties his firm just managed. He claims a net worth of $7B or so, but independent estimates of his net worth usually range from $200m to $2B. Even a 10x increase in his net worth over only 30 years works out to about an 8% annualized return, and that's assuming he's actually worth $2B, not any less. If he's worth $1B or less he should have put his inheritance in T-Bills.
Warren Buffett was only worth $140m in 1979, yet within 20 years he was worth $35B, without taking on leverage, or ever sniffing any risk of failure.
Trump started at roughly the same time and with a similar amount of money. Yet despite taking massive risk over 30 years, at best Trump has created maybe 5% of the wealth Buffett created in 20 years starting from the same level. Yet Trump is the one running for President and giving advice to everyone?
Frank Wren is going to so disappointed to hear that Schuerholz has still been the crypto-GM these past few years.
In 2011, Forbes valued him at $2.7 billion. The reality shows are just because he likes attention.
On the other hand, he continues to lose money running casinos (his casino management company has declared bankruptcy like three times) which you would assume is nearly impossible.
Well, I do believe in "I can retire or I can take a cushy job as president of the braves and keep getting a hefty paycheck ... tough choice!"
Schuerholz is 72 now and moved out of the GM role at 67. Sure, I can believe he isn't GM anymore, even if Gillick kept going until he was 71. Beinfest is 48 and Theo is 39 and that's a completely different ballgame. Even Jocketty is just 61 (and seems to hold the title GM).
Really all I'm saying is that, like the rest of the corporate world, we're seeing "title inflation." I don't think we had Presidents of Baseball Operations when I was a kid ... and if we did, nobody knew who they were.
But it is definitely possible that Beinfest and Theo have a genuine interest in more organization-wide strategic roles and not player acquisition, etc. and they see this as a big step forward in their careers as ... what ... future CEOs of baseball teams, MLB commissioner ... not sure what the step after PBO is. Anyway, I just have my doubts.
But I'm sure Beinfest would be happy to let Hill take credit for the Heath Bell contract.
1) put up lots of money for projects (taking on the risk) while trump gets a bigger-than-normal equity share for use of his name.
2) give him tons of money and during bad times, get them to refinance the loan at very favorable conditions.
59 - just read your post. i think the number is 3 as well.
You raise a very good point, and I agree about CBS and CNN. However, there could be a place for Olbermann on any leftish leaning network that wants some instant credibility, and I think he'd actually make a fine partner to Bill Maher on HBO. Maybe if Showtime decides to counter Real Time? Another possibility is any major cable network that decides to delve into late night original programming (i.e. USA/TNT.)
My totally unrealistic programming dream would be a travel show consisting of Anthony Bourdain and Keith Olbermann on road trips with a different, zany guest every week.
It's truly sad that he did lead a primary poll at one point, though.
Are you claiming Fox is not fair and balanced? Bill O'Reilly is going to call you a pinhead.
He probably likes the cash flow from them, too.
One of the issues with consolidation is that it's a very small universe. One of the long-term issues with the way Olbermann has conducted himself is that any of his prior coworkers who now has decision power over his hiring at a new place is not disposed to look past his problems. Maybe there was some producer at Current who's now in charge of hiring on-air talent at USA.
Also, a problem with consolidation is that everyone owns everyone. CNN, for example, is cousins with TNT. USA seems to be sister channels with MSNBC.
Let them try to clean up their own mess.
This is sorta screwy but I want to mention: a few weeks ago I was back in South Florida and met up with an old middle school chum who found me through the miracle of Facebook. We were both big baseball fans as kids and we spent quite a long time talking about the game. This fella is now an insurance claims adjuster, and his company owns the policy on the new stadium the Marlins are playing in. As part of the policy his company keeps a claims adjuster on-site at all events, and since he's a baseball fan he's almost always the guy who gets the job (which explained all the pics on his FB page, I mistakenly assumed he had season tickets and went to lots of concerts).
In his professional capacity as the official claims adjuster he has full access to the facility and he mentioned that he'd met pretty much every member of the front office, some of whom were very genial guys who would recognize him and call him over to chat. Interesting, sure, he knows some rich welfare queens, good for him.
But here's the thing - almost two weeks ago Greg (my friend) emailed me the following: "Ready to ship A Rod and $100 million to the Marlins for Heath Bell?"
Lucky guess? Inside tip? Who knows, but when I saw the article above and I did a double-take. Maybe he just called Olberman with his imagined trade scenario. Hmph.
Eric Chavez out-OPSed him by 60 points this year. Of course, we all know Chavez would pull eight different muscles if he played more than two straight games in the field, but that might be a place to start.
39 PA, .152/.231/.152
Hrm.
Well, I suppose it's hard to see where Olbermann might land due to consolidation. My thought would be that there must be some significant freedom under some umbrella (i.e. HBO or Showtime, maybe?) that would be willing to tolerate Olbermann. Maher + Olby do make quite a bit of sense.
In the alternative, NPR/PBS really does make a *ton of sense*.
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