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Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Olbermann: Steinbrenners Rob Reggie To Allay A-Rod

Keith/Jackson: Whoa, Nellie!

The key to the saga is the necessity of protecting Rodriguez, even at the cost of alienating and publicly humiliating Jackson, who spent only five of his 21 major league seasons in New York but is now high on the list of retired stars identified solely with the Yankees. Mr. Red of The Daily News refers to Rodriguez as the “star third baseman” and while that’s what the Yankees desperately need people to think this year, and next year, and the year after that, and all the way until 2017 when his noose of a contract finally runs out, it is hardly still the case. This is a player, healthy enough to have appeared in 82 of the Yankees’ first 85 games, whose On Base Plus Slugging Percentage number falls below the likes of Ryan Doumit, Adam LaRoche, and Jed Lowrie – and just ahead of Chris Davis, thought to be in danger of being relegated to a platoon at first base for Baltimore.

Other than structurally I am not comparing the two cases – throwing me out and throwing Reggie Jackson out aren’t in the same universe – but we are beginning to see the outlines of a pattern of the Yankees ham-handedly overreacting in defense of their rapidly rusting former star. On Opening Day last year I finally got a clear photo from my seats of a Yankee “Coaches’ Assistant” named Brett Weber. Throughout 2010 he had given hand signals from his own seat right back of home plate to Yankee players in the on-deck circle. Nearly always, this was Rodriguez, who often looked inquiringly towards Weber for some kind of data. Gradually it had dawned on me that Weber was providing Rodriguez with details about the preceding pitch: speed, location, type.

Repoz Posted: July 10, 2012 at 07:27 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc don't hate anyone Asian Posted: July 10, 2012 at 08:03 AM (#4178103)
Other than structurally I am not comparing the two cases – throwing me out and throwing Reggie Jackson out aren’t in the same universe – but we are beginning to see the outlines of a pattern of the Yankees ham-handedly overreacting in defense of their rapidly rusting former star.


So...Reggie is a chandelier, then?
   2. AROM Posted: July 10, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4178107)
Details about the preceding pitch? What's the advantage in that? I guess if then coach's assistant does it then A-Rod doesn't have to watch from the on deck circle. That would free him up to scan the crowd for muscular women.
   3. BDC Posted: July 10, 2012 at 08:24 AM (#4178112)
Sounds like it could become a new proverb: "Robbing Reggie to allay A-Rod."
   4. Joey B. has ignited his October #Natitude Posted: July 10, 2012 at 08:29 AM (#4178114)
I can't for the life of me imagine why a hitter would rather look at hand signals from a flunky in the stands rather than just watch the freaking pitcher with his own eyes, but this is the weirdest dude in all of baseball we're talking about here, so almost nothing about him surprises me any more.
   5. spike Posted: July 10, 2012 at 09:35 AM (#4178154)
Olbermann recycling a story from April. Man, has that guys stock fallen.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 10, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4178159)
I thought the headline was Rob Riggle Lays A-Rod.
   7. TomH Posted: July 10, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4178178)
It's always about the Yankees, even when the players involved has their best years elsewhere.

Quick, think of Reggie's best season in Pinstripes. Consider where it would rank among great Reggie seasons.
.... done? It ain't in the top 8 in WAR. Reggie was an Athletic, and it's a shame that when he hit the 3rd (by then menaingless) dinger in the one WS game that it became his signature moment. I prefer to remember him being pulled mid-inning from RF by Billy Martin, or standing on the top step of the dugout in 86 ready to celebrate a pennant that didn't happen.

OK, rant over.
   8. Brian C Posted: July 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4178209)
You have to be a very casual fan (or a particularly provincial Yankees fan) for Reggie to be "identified solely with the Yankees."
   9. Fanshawe Posted: July 10, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4178250)
The irony in this piece is off the charts.
   10. RMc don't hate anyone Asian Posted: July 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4178392)
I thought the headline was Rob Riggle Lays A-Rod.

Did Rob at least get a gift basket?
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: July 10, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4178422)
You have to be a very casual fan (or a particularly provincial Yankees fan) for Reggie to be "identified solely with the Yankees."


Or under 40 years old.
   12. Moeball Posted: July 10, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4178836)
I prefer to remember him being pulled mid-inning from RF by Billy Martin, or standing on the top step of the dugout in 86 ready to celebrate a pennant that didn't happen.

OK, rant over.


TomH - it's ok, I'm glad some people still remember what a horse's rear end Reggie was/is.

When people were doing all the Barry-bashing a few years ago when he was still with the Giants, I had to remind people that Barry wasn't exactly the first (nor will he be the last) player to be openly despised by fans, opposing players and even several of his own teammates. Reggie was up there on the "most hated" list just as much back in his day.

Of all the members of the 500 HR club, Reggie is by far my least favorite - so, of course, he is the only one on the list that I actually saw hit #500 live - Sep 17, 1984 - Angels vs. Royals. His solo shot was the only Angels run in a 10-1 shellacking at the hands of KC.

...this is the weirdest dude in all of baseball we're talking about here, so almost nothing about him surprises me any more.


As for A-Rod: this is really sad. He will be remembered for steroids, The Slap and all other manner of bizarre behavior both on and off the field. Yet he is also one of the greatest players ever to play the game, and when he came to the Yankees he was the one who willingly moved to third base despite:

1)Being a significantly better hitter than Derek Jeter
2)Being a much better fielding SS than Derek Jeter

Supposedly this was a move made to keep harmony in the clubhouse, which seems unselfish at first glance. I wonder, though, if A-Rod would have been better off to insist "Hey, I'm CLEARLY the better player here, me moving off of SS is NOT in the best interest of the team's performance and anybody here who doesn't get that isn't interested in the Yankees winning games!" Of course, then A-Rod would have truly been hated by all his teammates - but then I doubt there was a single player on the roster intelligent enough to realize A-Rod would have been 100% correct. These are jocks, after all. But at least it would have shown some guts and some confidence on A-Rod's part - something he has seemed to be lacking ever since.
   13. AROM Posted: July 10, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4178845)
Or under 40 years old.


Most people between 30-40 probably remember Reggie as an Angel more than a Yankee. Under 30 and you probably don't remember watching him play.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: July 10, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4178850)
Under 30 and you probably don't remember watching him play.


I almost certainly never saw him, but I remember him as an Angel, because he was on them when he tried to kill the Queen of England.
   15. Brian C Posted: July 10, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4178868)
Or under 40 years old.

I'm 34.

And I stand by what I said anyway. If you are a young person with a passing familiarity with the game's history, you know that Reggie didn't play only for the Yankees. I can understand people not knowing that he had his best years with the A's, and I understand that a lot of people's primary image of him - even people who know his career - is as "Mr. October" with the Yankees. I'm not saying that people need to know every last detail of his career to be a real fan or anything sweeping and exclusionary as that.

I'm talking about identifying him "solely" as a Yankee. It was over-the-top of Olbermann to say that in such a general way, and downright ridiculous for him to say that he's "high on the list" of players like that (shocking for KO, I know). That's all.

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