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Saturday, November 10, 2018

Olney: Cubs Open to Trading Bryant

But it’s possible that the Cubs will trade him, perhaps as soon as this winter. As part of their early offseason discussions, according to sources, the Cubs have indicated to other teams they are willing to discuss trade proposals for almost all of the players on their roster and those sources say that includes Bryant

Are the Cubs willing to listen to offers?  Or are they actively shopping Bryant?  There’s a world of difference between the two and most front offices are “willing to discuss” almost anyone.

Chris Fluit Posted: November 10, 2018 at 11:45 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Brian C Posted: November 10, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5785455)
It's been a couple of days now and I still can't make heads or tails of this story. It's weird any angle I take on it.
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 10, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5785475)
I would listen if the Cubs called
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: November 10, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5785501)
I saw this headline this morning and then, a little bit later, I saw another headline suggesting that the Indians might be looking to trade Kluber. I thought that sounds like a pretty good deal for both sides.

The Cubs are looking for front-line starting pitching and Kluber certainly fits the bill. Chicago could then see what Bote could do full-time or use someone from the 2B combination of Baez, Happ or Zobrist at third. On the other side, Cleveland has a such big need at 3B that they traded for a rehabbing-from-injury Josh Donaldson. The Indians would still have a big-three of starting pitchers (Clevinger-Carrasco-Bauer) and young arms ready to join the rotation.
   4. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: November 10, 2018 at 05:50 PM (#5785513)
This feels like a planted story from the Cubs. More like “let’s put it out there and see what the rumor mill says.” If they get an offer that blows them away great, if not they can tell him they never had trade discussions.
   5. The Duke Posted: November 10, 2018 at 07:35 PM (#5785550)
I’m sure I’m not right but I’ve always had this sense that Bryant told the cubs that when they held him
back that he would never sign an extension and they are realizing he hasn’t changed his mind.

I know if it were me that would have been my position
   6. McCoy Posted: November 10, 2018 at 07:41 PM (#5785551)
What they have in David Bote is a bench player.
   7. dejarouehg Posted: November 10, 2018 at 08:50 PM (#5785574)
I’m sure I’m not right but I’ve always had this sense that Bryant told the cubs that when they held him
back that he would never sign an extension and they are realizing he hasn’t changed his mind.

I know if it were me that would have been my position


Completely Agree. Usually, I'm on the management side of the equation (though I'm a huge fan of KB) but in this case, I hope KB takes them to the cleaners and makes them pay for delaying the call-up.

   8. Walt Davis Posted: November 11, 2018 at 03:45 AM (#5785628)
If the right offer (or even a good offer) is on the table, Bryant would be making a mistake to turn it down. He's got 3 more seasons until FA and a lot can happen in that time. And a lot did just happen, missing a lot of time and not hitting well by his standards when he was in the lineup. Depending on what happens with Russell and, for reasons I don't understand, there are rumors of Donaldson to the Cubs, Bryant might be headed to the OF soon.

Believe me, I fully understand "Screw me? Well, screw you." Alas, I also have an understanding of how that can backfire. But folks here are skittish about Harper despite the fact he's only entering his age 26 season cuz he's had some pretty mediocre years. Well, Bryant just had his first Harper "hmmmmm...." season and he's turning 27. By the time he's 30, if he has another 1 or 2 of those seasons and moved to the OF, he's not gonna look all that great. He shouldn't succumb to the leverage of a bad season but pride would be a dumb reason to turn down 10/$270 deal.

As to the story, I think somebody's trying to create column inches while we're all waiting for there to be something to actually write about. Cleveland's trading their starting pitchers, the Cubs need to see production not talent (clearly not a reference to Bryant) and won't rule out trades for anybody ... so therefore they must be "open to trading" Bryant.

The only thing that remotely makes sense is if the Cubs feel that Machado's future is brighter than Bryant's (it might well be), would have to clear payroll to do a Machado deal and can bring in a nice chunk of talent for Bryant.

#3 Cleveland's big need was at either 2B or 3B since Ramirez can play either. They had the division wrapped up, why wouldn't they take a minor punt on Donaldson -- who produced .7 WAR in his 60 PA while apparently playing good 3B. They even got cash in the deal and only gave up a 26-year old SP who just made AAA where he stunk after some very nice peripherals at AA. That wasn't a risk, that was your friend lending you his Mercedes for a month but, sorry, it's getting some work done so you might have to wait a week or two for it to get out of the shop.
   9. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: November 11, 2018 at 04:35 AM (#5785631)
People tend to overreact about stories like this. A GM will listen to *all* offers basically. It's not like someone from the Yankees calls and asks about Mike Trout and Billy Eppler says "I won't even discuss this! How dare you?" and slams down the phone in disgust.
   10. Brian C Posted: November 11, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5785670)
I’m sure I’m not right but I’ve always had this sense that Bryant told the cubs that when they held him
back that he would never sign an extension and they are realizing he hasn’t changed his mind.

I know if it were me that would have been my position

Possibly but if I'm the Cubs' front office, I'm not sure how much I'm worried about that at this point. They've still got him for 3 years either way, which is a long time, and more to the point, it's a long time for him to retain a ton of trade value. What more will 3 years of control get you in a trade than 2 years of control? There's just no ticking clock yet.

McCoy's right in #6. If David Bote is a factor in the decision of whether or not to trade Kris Bryant, that's one messed up decision-making process.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 12, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5785871)
If the right offer (or even a good offer) is on the table, Bryant would be making a mistake to turn it down. He's got 3 more seasons until FA and a lot can happen in that time. And a lot did just happen, missing a lot of time and not hitting well by his standards when he was in the lineup.

Bryant's already made $19M and is guaranteed another ~$15M next year unless he dies or is crippled. He's financially set for life no matter what. He can indulge his pride.

   12. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 12, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5785883)
McCoy's right in #6. If David Bote is a factor in the decision of whether or not to trade Kris Bryant, that's one messed up decision-making process.


Well, he's almost certainly a kind of factor... I mean, I doubt the Cubs are looking to move Bryant to get Bote into the lineup - but if they feel can fill a bigger need and doubling Bote's PAs doesn't produce that big of a drop-off...

The problem with moving Bryant is twofold, though...

First, there's Russell... in a world where Russell isn't a wifebeater and I don't hope he's someone else's problem, the Cubs might be able to seriously think about an IF of Baez/Russell/Zobrist/Bote (plus Rizzo) being acceptable IF KB brings back a Kluber (and more).

Second, the gazillionaire rotation... Obviously, they can find room for a Kluber type - but the Cubs are paying Lester 27.5 next year. 20 mil a piece for Darvish and Hamels. Figure Hendricks for another 8 mil or so... Plus Q at 10.5... and Chatwood 12.5. Throw another 3 or so at Monty. That's 100 million or thereabouts.

In the end, I just don't think there's a deal to be had.

The combination of overly expensive SPs + Russell weakening the IF depth just makes it too hard to actually improve the team by moving KB. Still, no reason not to listen.
   13. McCoy Posted: November 12, 2018 at 09:49 AM (#5785885)
Trade Bryant, Russell, Heyward, Chatwood and Darvish for a bag of balls. Go out and get Machado and Donaldson.
   14. Brian C Posted: November 13, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5786740)
Well, he's almost certainly a kind of factor... I mean, I doubt the Cubs are looking to move Bryant to get Bote into the lineup - but if they feel can fill a bigger need and doubling Bote's PAs doesn't produce that big of a drop-off...

Exactly what I mean. No.

You don't say "hey I'm going to trade our MVP-caliber player because I might not get THAT big of a dropoff by upping the playing time of this random utility player."

That's insane.
   15. Kiko Sakata Posted: November 13, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5786810)
The Cubs are looking for front-line starting pitching


I don't know that they are. They have five solidly above-average starting pitchers under contract next season: Darvish, Hamels, Hendricks, Lester, and Quintana. And Mike Montgomery, who had a solid 2018 season, in reserve. I mean, Corey Kluber would obviously make the Cubs a better team. But in terms of figuring out what went wrong in 2018 and how to fix it (to the extent that anything "went wrong" when you won 95 damn games) their problems were mostly on the offensive side of the ball and I'm not sure that trading away their former MVP third baseman coming off an injury-plagued season is the most likely way to solve that.
   16. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 13, 2018 at 06:11 PM (#5786898)
Well, he's almost certainly a kind of factor... I mean, I doubt the Cubs are looking to move Bryant to get Bote into the lineup - but if they feel can fill a bigger need and doubling Bote's PAs doesn't produce that big of a drop-off...


Exactly what I mean. No.

You don't say "hey I'm going to trade our MVP-caliber player because I might not get THAT big of a dropoff by upping the playing time of this random utility player."

That's insane.


But you're overlooking the idea that I/we would expect something of value back for him to shore up another position or need. I mean, I'm not saying they should (or would) move him for salary relief or even prospect hoarding.

If they trade him, I would expect it to be for something that is a clear upgrade elsewhere... and lemme just clearly state - I doubt such a deal exists to be had.

He's not getting traded. But I'm just saying that an IF of Baez/Happ/Zobrist/Russel means an OF of (making this up) Betts/Almora/Heyward or a rotation of Kluber/etc... well, Bote factors into that IF depth.
   17. Brian C Posted: November 13, 2018 at 07:02 PM (#5786947)
He's not getting traded. But I'm just saying that an IF of Baez/Happ/Zobrist/Russel means an OF of (making this up) Betts/Almora/Heyward or a rotation of Kluber/etc... well, Bote factors into that IF depth.

Well, if that's all you're saying, then ... duh. Bote factors into that depth regardless of whether Bryant is traded or not. Which is my point.

What that doesn't do is move the needle one way or the other on the decision to trade Bryant. Bote isn't good enough to matter in that kind of decision - whatever merits or downfalls there are to trading Bryant are exactly the same regardless of Bote's presence.
   18. bfan Posted: November 13, 2018 at 08:21 PM (#5786997)
Darvish? That guy who pitched 40 innings last year and is projected for 99 this year? Is there any indication he is healed and that his 32 year old season will be a productive one?

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