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Tuesday, March 18, 2014

Olney: Sources: Rollins Should Lead Or Leave

Sources indicate that some in influential positions in the organization want Rollins to be a leader by investing himself more thoroughly in daily work and setting a strong example for others. If Rollins isn’t going to do that, the sentiment of some is that the team would be better off moving him as soon as possible.

Rollins, 35, will make $11 million this year, and with 434 plate appearances in 2014, an $11 million option for the 2015 season would vest.

Perhaps if the only other alternative were not Freddy Galvis I could buy this argument.

eddieot Posted: March 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jimmy rollins, phillies, ruin tomorrow jr., ryne sandberg

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   1. spike Posted: March 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4673891)
Oh, FFS.
   2. Jeltzandini Posted: March 19, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4673930)
What do organizations actually think they'll gain by going to war with a player like this? The Amaro Phillies organization is epically terrible, but they didn't invent the strategy. It happens enough that teams clearly they think there's something to win.


   3. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 19, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4673936)
The anonymous source, whom we shall call "Syne Randberg."
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 19, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4673938)
Benching him for a poor attitude is a good way to keep that option from vesting.
   5. The District Attorney Posted: March 19, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4673944)
As I said last time, Rollins (and Howard, and Utley) have been treated so deferentially for so long, by both the city and the organization, that they'd probably think it was oppressive to be asked not to pee in their lockers. So it's hard to judge this.
   6. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4673954)
As I said last time, Rollins (and Howard, and Utley) have been treated so deferentially for so long, by both the city and the organization, that they'd probably think it was oppressive to be asked not to pee in their lockers. So it's hard to judge this.


They pee in their lockers? That is sort of gross.
   7. JE (Jason) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4673955)
They pee in their lockers? That is sort of gross.

Isn't it far better to pee in other people's lockers rather than in your own?
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4673959)
Benching him for a poor attitude is a good way to keep that option from vesting.

There's no way in hell Phillie lets that option vest.
   9. Lassus Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4673966)
I agree with snapper, but as a Mets fan, I hope he plays all year, as he currently seems to suck.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4673968)
I agree with snapper, but as a Mets fan, I hope he plays all year, as he currently seems to suck.

Yeah, but the only way that happens is if he's playing great, and Phillie is shockingly in contention, which would be bad for the Mets.

I think you're just going to have to settle for Phillie sucking, and Rollins putting up 375 PA of suckage.
   11. JE (Jason) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4673970)
I agree with snapper, but as a Mets fan, I hope he plays all year, as he currently seems to suck.

Let the battle for 75 wins and third place commence!
   12. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4673971)
Isn't it far better to pee in other people's lockers rather than in your own?


Oh absolutely. And what the heck are the other players going to say about it? ####### nothing if they know what's good for them. Count the MVP's #####!
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4673973)
Count the MVP's #####!

Shouldn't that read "MVPee's"?
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4673975)
pee in their lockers


// Manny just boarded a plane bound for Clearwater
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM (#4673979)
They pee in their lockers? That is sort of gross.


Per the NHBA, Rogers Hornsby used to pee in the shower, and it irritated his teammates.
   16. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4673982)
pee in their lockers



// Manny just boarded a plane bound for Clearwater


///Moises Alou checks Rollins' locker for his batting gloves
   17. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4673984)
Shouldn't that read "MVPee's"?


No. Puns are terrible, terrible things.

ETA:
Upon further consideration it is my opinion that you should now be considered *at least* history's 41st greatest monster, and if you keep up your actions you will be a lock to break into the 30's.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4673987)
Upon further consideration it is my opinion that you should now be considered *at least* history's 41st greatest monster, and if you keep up your actions you will be a lock to break into the 30's.

WoooHooooooo! Top-25 here I come!
   19. Srul Itza Posted: March 19, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4673993)
Yeah, but the only way that happens is if he's playing great, and Phillie is shockingly in contention, which would be bad for the Mets


Why? Are the Mets still in the league?
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 19, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4673999)
Chris Truby used to leave upper-deckers in the clubhouse toilets. True story.
   21. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 19, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4674007)
True story.


All satanists do that. Look it up.
   22. Textbook Editor Posted: March 19, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4674014)
Amaro will find a way to piss away $11 million on Rollins next year, I guarantee it.

   23. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 19, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4674037)
[15]as long as he aimed for the drain and they weren't in too close of quarters so as to bring about splash back I don't understand the issue
   24. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4674047)
Chris Truby used to leave upper-deckers in the clubhouse toilets. True story.


What makes you think he stopped? He routinely does it to punish his players when they lose consecutive games.
   25. boteman Posted: March 19, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4674062)
::Dons Curly W Nats cap::

::Pulls up chair::

::Grabs huge bag of popcorn::

::Watches NL East self-destruct::
   26. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4674083)
::Dons Curly W Nats cap::

::Pulls up chair::

::Grabs huge bag of popcorn::

::Watches NL East self-destruct::


Seriously, with the Braves pitching, 86 wins probably gets it done, doesn't it?
   27. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 19, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4674089)
I thought the phillies had a shot at being a surprise team if they got a little lick(some Indian summers combined with no cliff jumping combined with above average health) but it appears Ryno is going to ensure that won't happen
   28. JE (Jason) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4674095)
[15]as long as he aimed for the drain and they weren't in too close of quarters so as to bring about splash back I don't understand the issue

It's never a good idea to take George's side over Jerry's.
   29. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4674101)
if they got a little lick(some Indian summers combined with no cliff jumping combined with


What?
   30. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 19, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4674106)
Luck
   31. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4674140)

If Rollins is healthy and batting .250, what's going to be the justification for not giving him the 434 plate appearances? If they bench him solely to prevent the option from vesting, I assume the union gets involved, right?
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4674154)
If Rollins is healthy and batting .250, what's going to be the justification for not giving him the 434 plate appearances? If they bench him solely to prevent the option from vesting, I assume the union gets involved, right?

They need to see what they have in Freddy Galvis in order to make a decision for the future.

If Rollins is putting up another 250/320/350 season, the union won't say boo. That line doesn't deserve to play every day over a younger, better defender.

The Phillies only have a problem if Rollins has a huge bounceback year.
   33. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4674158)
Luck


Yeah, sorta figured that, but what do Indian summers and cliff jumping have to do with good luck? Am I missing out on phrases I should have knowledge of?
   34. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 19, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4674163)
If Rollins is healthy and batting .250, what's going to be the justification for not giving him the 434 plate appearances? If they bench him solely to prevent the option from vesting, I assume the union gets involved, right?

Yeah, I think the Phillies have to have a credible alternative before they can bench Rollins. Just looking at the spring stats, other players listed at SS are OPSing (word?) .475 (Freddy Galvis), .182 (Andres Blanco), and .573 (Ronny Cedeno). Not that Rollins is setting the world on fire (.487 OPS), but Philadelphia may have to give him the Nancy Kerrigan treatment if they want to keep him out of the lineup without a fuss.
   35. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 19, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4674176)
Indian summer being an old guy having a a revival past his prime, cliff jumping being a guy having his numbers fall off a cliff. Possibly I made this up?
   36. Walt Davis Posted: March 19, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4674219)
usually "cliff-diving" not jumping; Indian Summer I hadn't heard in a long time and since the phrase in its original meaning isn't used much anymore, the analogy might not work anymore.

"Indian summer" for any who don't know being those occasional lovely, warm-ish days you get in colder climes in early Fall.

So just when you think summer's gone, you've had some crappy fall weather, you're preparing for your 6-month long depression cycle, here comes 2-3 days of lovely weather while you're stuck in school just to remind you of what you've lost. What could be better?
   37. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 20, 2014 at 02:21 AM (#4674308)
Rollins hitting .300/.320/.340 all season with no errors and league worst range would be all sorts of awesome.

"You can't bench him, he's a .300 hitter and about to break franchise hits mark! And he's sure handed!"
   38. Kurt Posted: March 20, 2014 at 08:41 AM (#4674334)
It's never a good idea to take George's side over Jerry's.


As was often the case, George was right on that one.

Same with the bald woman. Really? It's hypocritical for a bald man to not want to date a bald woman? What if she had a hairy chest? A penis?

   39. just plain joe Posted: March 20, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4674339)
Rollins hitting .300/.320/.340 all season with no errors and league worst range would be all sorts of awesome.


That gets him traded to the Yankees to replace Jeter, no?

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