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OMNICHATER 6-5-2014

The Don Zimmer Memorial OMNICHATTER

Gamingboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 06:14 AM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. mathesond Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4719573)
Verlander on the mound and Encarnacion likely on the bench will make it a tough game for the Jays.
   2. salvomania Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4719716)
Your realize that Justin Verlander v.2014 has an era of 4 and a WHIP of 1.44?
   3. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4719720)
A's radio announcer just said Stephen Vogt is playing right field, and I think I hurt my neck.
   4. Danny Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4719721)
The A's have 6 homers against the Yankees this series, all of them solo shots.
   5. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4719723)
The A's have 6 homers against the Yankees this series, all of them solo shots.

They're honoring the '74 WS victory with an homage to Catfish Hunter.
   6. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4719740)
bobm bobm bobm

Which pitcher was the best at limiting homers to bases-empty?

I got
Hunter: 66.9
Schilling: 65.1
Palmer: 63.7
Maddux: 57.8
Roberts: 56.6

but that's finding one at a time, and I'm not coming up with better candidates on my own.
   7. mathesond Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4719744)
Your realize that Justin Verlander v.2014 has an era of 4 and a WHIP of 1.44?


Yeah, but he's still Verlander.
   8. Kurt Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4719745)
Wait, what does Gamingboy have against Omnic?
   9. Randy Jones Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4719752)
Which pitcher was the best at limiting homers to bases-empty?

I got
Hunter: 66.9
Schilling: 65.1
Palmer: 63.7
Maddux: 57.8
Roberts: 56.6

Is that just % of hr allowed that were solo shots? Should probably adjust for baserunners somehow, otherwise it's just going to show pitchers that were best at not allowing baserunners.
   10. salvomania Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4719753)
Yeah, but he's still Verlander.

In his four starts beginning May 9, Verlander, over 24.1 ip, gave up 21 runs on 34 hits and had a K:BB ratio of 13/12.

Last year, 9 of his 34 starts had a Game Score that exceeded 65... this year he has zero of those in 12 starts, and it doesn't look like he's going to get one today.
   11. salvomania Posted: June 05, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4719756)
Bob Gibson, with his career 1.18 WHIP, is only at 53.7%.
   12. madvillain Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4719762)
I take it this will be the draft day talk thread? I'm seeing some stuff where if Kolek falls past the White Sox he might tumble a bit.
   13. salvomania Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4719763)
Pedro is 71.1 %.....
   14. madvillain Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4719777)
In his four starts beginning May 9, Verlander, over 24.1 ip, gave up 21 runs on 34 hits and had a K:BB ratio of 13/12.
Last year, 9 of his 34 starts had a Game Score that exceeded 65... this year he has zero of those in 12 starts, and it doesn't look like he's going to get one today.



Yea, he's not "still Verlander" so far this year. He's pitching like a 3rd starter not an ace and his velocity problems are well documented. His average fastball velocity is 93.2 this year, still pretty damn good, but that down over 2mph from '09-'12, when he was at his peak.

He's more like a 3-4 WAR pitcher now then a 6-8 WAR Cy Young candidate. He could turn it around, but father time isn't on his side.
   15. esseff Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4719782)
Jenkins 64.0
   16. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4719785)
Pedro is 71.1 %.....

DANG.
   17. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4719789)
Here's how good Willie Mays was: if Mike Trout plays at least this well for 13 straight years, he'll be as good as Willie Mays was.
   18. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4719793)
No Pedro, but Glavine checks in at a nifty 68.3 percent.
   19. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4719794)
Yea, he's not "still Verlander" so far this year. He's pitching like a 3rd starter not an ace and his velocity problems are well documented

<shot of Oakland Coliseum, "Jaws" theme playing>
   20. mathesond Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4719816)
Well, Verlander has given up 6, and the 5th isn't over yet. Juan Francisco and Lawrie have gone back to back to break a 3-3 tie (Francisco hit his with Lind on base) - I'm cautiously optimistic that my fears may have been unfounded.

Meanwhile, J.A. Happ is 3 outs away from a Quality Start!
   21. Good cripple hitter Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4719817)
I've got Halladay at 64.4%, but I'm not sure how impressive that is. Ted Lilly of all people is at 61.8%. Blyleven is 64%, so is Robin Roberts.
   22. dr. scott Posted: June 05, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4719818)
A's Yankee game is pretty tight right now. Tanaka has allowed very few hits but is already 90+ pitches in 5 innings. Is this typical for him to throw so many pitches per AB?
   23. Good cripple hitter Posted: June 05, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4719826)
Tanaka is slightly below average for pitches / PA: 3.79 vs an avg of 3.84.
   24. Every Inge Counts Posted: June 05, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4719839)
The Tigers suck.
   25. dr. scott Posted: June 05, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4719859)
the Jim Johnson experiment is going into unfortunately familiar territory.

edit.... that was close.
   26. Papa Squid Posted: June 05, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4719865)
Assuming the Jays hold on... that's a 12-0 run against last year's AL playoff teams. Let the good times roll.
   27. mathesond Posted: June 05, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4719872)
that's a 12-0 run against last year's AL playoff teams


And 3 games with the Cards this weekend...
   28. madvillain Posted: June 05, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4719876)
The Tigers suck.


Pretty remarkable fall. Couple week ago they were playing .667 baseball and ESPN had them at over 90% on their playoff odds, with a RD of +50. Now, they are down to .554 ball, a RD of +5, and ESPN playoff odds have fallen to 55.4%.

Their offense was probably always going to be mediocre. Their pitching is letting them down big time.

I'd still peg them to win the division by a few games, if they win 90, I don't see anyone else catching them. 88 might open it back up to Chicago or Cleveland if everything breaks for those clubs.
   29. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 05, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4719881)
Madvillan I dont think the cubs would pass on Kolek if he falls to them. They need pitching
   30. simon bedford Posted: June 05, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4719912)
is this blue jays team for real? a while back no lead was safe from their pen, with jannsen back they seem unbeatable...knocking off some quality teams lately
   31. Batman Posted: June 05, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4719914)
Omnichaters gonna omnichate.
   32. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4719921)
is this blue jays team for real? a while back no lead was safe from their pen, with jannsen back they seem unbeatable...knocking off some quality teams lately


I think they are. That offense is genuinely impressive and should offset any pitching stumbles. I don't really buy Toronto's pitching staff. If Buehrle starts pitching like Buehrle rather than like Greg Maddux then the pitching staff is a slump waiting to happen. The offense can offset that pretty well.

The other big thing they have going for them is that the teams that should be competitive are not. Tampa Bay is terrible and Boston is wobbling badly while New York and Baltimore both look like mid-80s win teams. With the Sox headed to Detroit this weekend they could be ten back by Monday. Even this early in the year that's a big hole. The Jays have put themselves in a position where .500 ball the rest of the way puts them at 87 wins. Right now that looks like it might be enough.

It's early enough that I wouldn't start making October plans but I don't see anyone in the division that looks like they are capable of getting hot in a meaningful way. The Red Sox would be the team I would fear the most but they are just digging too big a hole.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4719939)
A's Yankee game is pretty tight right now. Tanaka has allowed very few hits but is already 90+ pitches in 5 innings. Is this typical for him to throw so many pitches per AB?

Looked like the A's were making a concerted effort to drive up Tanaka's pitch count. Not a bad strategy given how dominant he's been and how iffy the Yankee bullpen has looked of late.
   34. TerpNats Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4719966)
After giving up a run in the first (which the Nationals promptly evened in the bottom half), Fister has settled down. Meanwhile, the Nats scored three in the fifth (two on a LaRoche HR) to go up 4-1 after 5 1/2; they need that sweep with a road trip coming up to SD, SF and StL. Conversely, the Phillies look dead.
   35. Chris Fluit Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4719968)
Juan Francisco, Brett Lawrie and Melky Cabrera each hit their 10th home run of the season. It's too bad Colby Rasmus is still on the DL or the Jays could have had four players hit their 10th home run in the same game (Rasmus is currently stuck on 9).
   36. boteman Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4719972)
BREAKING: Danny Espinosa walked! (needs a blinking attribute, too.)
   37. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 05, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4720017)
So amazing that we're somehow only a game behind the 'Necks despite having our starting lineup intact for only seven innings all season. I just wish we could play the Phillies about a hundred more times.
   38. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 05, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4720030)
Mike Trout triples in his first AB. Seems healthy.
   39. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 05, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4720032)
Also, I know the Astros aren't drawing and all that, but watching his game, you'd think there were 25 people in the seats.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 07:53 PM (#4720044)
Pretty remarkable fall. Couple week ago they were playing .667 baseball and ESPN had them at over 90% on their playoff odds, with a RD of +50. Now, they are down to .554 ball, a RD of +5, and ESPN playoff odds have fallen to 55.4%.


Doesn't that pretty much prove how full of crap those playoff odds things are?
   41. dr. scott Posted: June 05, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4720046)
Looked like the A's were making a concerted effort to drive up Tanaka's pitch count. Not a bad strategy given how dominant he's been and how iffy the Yankee bullpen has looked of late.


That's what I was hoping, and it almost worked as they had great a scoring opportunity in the 8th, and a decent one in the 9th against the relievers. Pomerantz really settled down and threw a great game in the end, and losing to the best pitcher in the league by 1 run and out lasting him is a good start.
   42. madvillain Posted: June 05, 2014 at 08:15 PM (#4720063)
Madvillan I dont think the cubs would pass on Kolek if he falls to them. They need pitching


So much for that. Biggest winners so for seem to be Chicago and Seattle. Still can't believe Rodon, Garcia and Abreu is the reward for that 99 loss season on the South Side, it totally makes that suckitude worth it.
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 08:38 PM (#4720078)
Jay and Bourjos provides a little bit off offense in the second inning to give the Cardinals a 1-0 lead. Bourjos may not be a good hitter, but he does get a few triples as teams play him too shallow. 3rd triple of the year for Bourjos.
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4720079)
Love double posting .... :(
   45. Born1951 Posted: June 05, 2014 at 08:47 PM (#4720083)
Which pitcher was the best at limiting homers to bases-empty?

Since 1950, with 100 minimum total home runs allowed, Kevin Gross edges out Pedro 71.7% to 71.1% for the highest rate. See the complete list here.
   46. boteman Posted: June 05, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4720092)
The Nationals offense seems to be potentizing™, especially since Ryan Zimmerman's return. (We'll just forget about that little tilt with Yu Darvish.) Strasburg is Stras, Zimmermann has been a tad bit shaky his last few outings, Fister has become Old Reliable, and that headcase Gio is slated to come back next week. The bullpen has been pretty solid.

The Nats certainly need to start firing on all, or most, cylinders as they head to the west coast to play 3 against the Padres, *4* against the world-beating Giants, and 3 against the party-pooping Cardinals.

After that they host the resurgent Astros (who knew?) and the Braves. The complexion of these upcoming series has changed slightly in my estimation, but I agree with smarter analysts that this could represent a do-or-die stretch for the Nats.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 09:18 PM (#4720095)
After that they host the resurgent Astros (who knew?) and the Braves. The complexion of these upcoming series has changed slightly in my estimation, but I agree with smarter analysts that this could represent a do-or-die stretch for the Nats


Is there such a thing as a do or die stretch in June or even July?


Gordon just toasted Molina on a single stretching into a double. Looks like it's going to be challenged. He was safe, but I don't think that the video is going to be clear enough.
   48. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4720114)
I really hate it when a batter comes up, and they don't show a graphic on who it is, and the announcers don't mention it once during his entire at bat because they are too stuck in their random ass conversation... Descalso was up to bat, he replaced Wong in the 5th inning(sore shoulder) it was his first at bat in the game and the Cardinal announcers didn't once mention his name during the at bat, when he struck out, it was the first time they said his name.

   49. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4720115)
Taveras with his first outfield assist and maybe a weak web gem....
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:19 PM (#4720121)
Looks like Royals are in good position to take 3 out of 4 against the Cardinals this year. This Holland guy is going to be difficult to score against.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:28 PM (#4720126)
This is why replay was invented. That was just a horrible call by the first base umpire. Taveras was safe by a good amount.
The fact that it's taking this long for the review is pretty bad though. The tv had a conclusive replay before Matheny even made it out of the dugout.
   52. greenback calls it soccer Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4720127)
9th inning play at first base under review in Kansas City 29 years too late.
   53. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4720129)
Angel bullpen gives up 4 runs in the top of the 9th, turn a 1-run deficit into a 5-run deficit. Astros return the favor by walking in a run after bases were loaded, so now it's a 4-run game with the bases full and nobody out. What a mess.
   54. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:45 PM (#4720132)
Aaaaaand the Angels fall short. Disastrous road trip, getting swept in Oakland and losing 2 of 3 in Houston. Terrible. It's not happening.
   55. Dale Sams Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4720133)
Rays lose one for The Zimmer. News at 11.
   56. Dale Sams Posted: June 05, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4720139)
Aaaaaand the Angels fall short. Disastrous road trip, getting swept in Oakland and losing 2 of 3 in Houston. Terrible. It's not happening.


And you get on to me. You're 3 games over .500 your team OPS+ is 110, your pitching is...99 ERA+, okay average. You just got Hamilton back. Your bullpen look poorish, but BPs "Should" be the easiest thing on a contending team to fix. Though often not because teams are so stubborn with roles and ####.

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