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Wednesday, May 21, 2014

OMNICHATTER 5-21

Hey, I wonder how Samardzija will NOT get a win today?

Gamingboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:47 AM | 90 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4710686)
The Braves, having begun to hit while I was on a long weekend down Savannah way, may prefer that I remain offline. Truth be told, I'd strongly prefer that I remain offline as well if I could continue lounging about the live oaks and marshes. Alas, a man must get paid, or else he is something less than a man, or so I hear. Something akin to a Nationals fan, perhaps.

Tigers (27-14) @ Indians (21-25), 12:05 pm
DET: Max Scherzer (#37, 29, RHP, 6-1, 1.83)
CLE: Zach McAllister (#34, 26, RHP, 3-4, 5.36)

It would be the height of foolishness to hang onto Max Scherzer instead of Doug Fister...


Mariners (22-22) @ Rangers (21-24), 2:05 pm
SEA: Chris Young (#53, 35, RHP, 3-1, 3.22)
TEX: Nick Tepesch (#23, 25, RHP, 0-0, 1.69)

The living fcvk is a "Nick Tepesch?!"


Yankees (23-21) @ Cubs (16-27), 2:20 pm
NYY: Chase Whitley (#39, 25, RHP, 0-0, 0.00)
CHC: Jeff Samardzija (#29, 29, RHP, 0-4, 1.62)

A good way to start your MLB career is to go up against the 2014 Mets and the 2014 Cubs in your first two starts. Your OMNIOFFICIAL OMNICHATTER Matchup of the OMNIDAY!


Reds (20-24) @ Nationals (24-21), 4:05 pm
CIN: Alfredo Simon (#31, 33, RHP, 5-2, 2.45)
WSN: Tanner Roark (#57, 27, RHP, 3-1, 3.65)

Hopefully Alfredo Simon has better luck at maintaining his seasonal arc tonight than did Johnny Cueto last night.


Orioles (23-20) @ Pirates (18-26), 7:05 pm
BAL: Chris Tillman (#30, 26, RHP, 4-2, 3.34)
PIT: Wandy Rodriguez (#51, 35, LHP, 0-2, 6.84)

Dodgers (24-22) @ Mets (20-24), 7:10 pm
LAD: Hyun-jin Ryu (#99, 27, LHP, 3-2, 3.00)
NYM: Jacob deGrom (#48, 26, RHP, 0-1, 1.29)

Phillies (20-22) @ Marlins (23-23), 7:10 pm
PHI: (#0, 2014, RHP, 0-0, undef)
MIA: (#0, 2014, RHP, 0-0, undef)

Not Jose Fernandez vs Not Cliff Lee.


Brewers (27-19) @ Braves (25-19), 7:10 pm
MIL: Kyle Lohse (#26, 35, RHP, 5-1, 2.88)
ATL: Ervin Santana (#30, 31, RHP, 4-1, 2.76)

If you're looking for a secondary OCMotD outside of the afternoon tilt in Wrigleyville, this battle of squads trying to not be the worst team in baseball in May might be for you.


White Sox (23-24) @ Royals (22-23), 8:10 pm
CHW: Jose Quintana (#62, 25, LHP, 2-3, 3.67)
KCR: Jeremy Guthrie (#11, 35, RHP, 2-3, 4.76)

D'backs (18-29) @ Cardinals (24-21), 8:15 pm
ARI: Brandon McCarthy (#32, 30, RHP, 1-6, 5.01)
STL: Michael Wacha (#52, 22, RHP, 3-3, 2.82)

If the mouthbreathers in the Midwest had a modicum of wit or verve among the lot of them Michael Wacha would be called "Fozzy Bear" by now.


Giants (28-18) @ Rockies (26-20), 8:40 pm
SFG: Matt Cain (#18, 29, RHP, 1-3, 3.92)
COL: Jhoulys Chacin (#45, 26, RHP, 0-2, 4.76)

Twins (22-21) @ Padres (21-25), 9:10 pm
MIN: Phil Hughes (#45, 28, RHP, 4-1, 3.61)
SDP: Tyson Ross (#38, 27, RHP, 5-3, 2.81)

If a pitcher has a sub-3 ERA in Not Jack Murphy Stadium and no one's around to hear, does it make a sound?


Astros (17-29) @ Angels (25-20), 10:05 pm
HOU: Collin McHugh (#31, 27, RHP, 2-2, 3.48)
LAA: Jered Weaver (#36, 31, RHP, 4-3, 3.14)
   2. stanmvp48 Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4710697)
The Cubs now have a better run differential (+2) than the Breweres (-1)
   3. Anonymous Observer Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4710709)
If the mouthbreathers in the Midwest had a modicum of wit or verve among the lot of them Michael Wacha would be called "Fozzy Bear" by now.


Google is your friend.
   4. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4710711)
Google is your friend.


When faced with the choice of facts vs my unvarnished disdain for Midwesterners, I'll go with my fee fees thank you very much.
   5. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4710783)
Zach McAllister having a tough time with the Tigers today, but Max Scherzer having a tougher time with the Indians: 6 runs, 10 baserunners, and 55 pitches through two...
   6. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 21, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4710788)
No Blue Jays/Red Sox mention in the Omnichatter preview?

Fine, I'll do it myself.

Blue Jays (24-22) @ Red Sox (20-24), 7:05 pm
TOR: Drew Hutchison (#36, 23, RHP, 2-3, 3.64)
BOS: Clay Buchholz (#11, 29, RHP, 2-3, 6.17)

Can anyone stop Edwin Encarnacion this month? Even with a BAbip of .167 for the month of May, he's put up a 1.028 OPS with 9HR. Five of his last six hits have been home runs.
   7. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 21, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4710801)
Can anyone stop Edwin Encarnacion this month? Even with a BAbip of .167 for the month of May, he's put up a 1.028 OPS with 9HR. Five of his last six hits have been home runs.


We'll send you Dan Uggla and a can of Coke. Fine, a CASE of Coke. Final offer. But you may have to kick in some cash for Edwin's contract.
   8. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 21, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4710839)
Tim Timmons just kicked out Miguel Cabrera and Brad Ausmus within like 30 seconds of each other. Lots of arguing about check swings, but he was REAL quick to take off his mask and start jawing with Miggy.
   9. madvillain Posted: May 21, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4710852)
Chris Sale to start tomorrow against the Yanks. He replaces Hector Noesi in the rotation most likely. Sox will have a decision to make about which AAAA pitcher they should keep -- Noesi or Carroll. I'm guessing it's Noesi by default, Carroll is your classic replacement level starter and at 29 he has zero upside.

Too bad for Carroll as he's only about another month of service time from qualifying for a pension, but frankly without injury and bad luck decimating the 3 of the top 5 starters entering the year he never even plays in MLB.
   10. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 21, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4710855)
Tim Timmons just kicked out Miguel Cabrera and Brad Ausmus within like 30 seconds of each other.


Dan Uggla, a case of coke, AND EDDIE PEREZ!
   11. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4710907)
Victor Martinez is good and John Axford is not.
   12. JL Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4710955)
Zach McAllister having a tough time with the Tigers today, but Max Scherzer having a tougher time with the Indians: 6 runs, 10 baserunners, and 55 pitches through two...


And yet even with this, Scherzer ends up pitching 7 innings. Not a thing of beauty, but he held it together and let the offense bail him out. I am very surprised he got that long of a leash.
   13. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4710965)
Victor Martinez is good and John Axford is not.

Maybe, but Axford did induce a DP ball off the bat of Martinez; it's not Axford's fault Asdrubal couldn't handle the feed. Instead of the score still tied with 2 outs, instead a run's in and it's 1st and 3rd with nobody out....
   14. Baldrick Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4710970)
The secret to pitching to Rizzo is apparently to throw it at his leg. He has swung at two consecutive pitches that HIT him.
   15. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4710971)
Scherzer left the game in line for the win after giving up 7 runs in 7 innings, as the Tigers scored two runs in the top of the eighth to take a 9-7 lead.

Until Joe Nathan gave up a game-tying homer in the bottom of the ninth. The baseball gods have some sense of propriety.
   16. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4710972)
Jason Giambi, still rocking a .400 OBP.
   17. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: May 21, 2014 at 03:58 PM (#4710978)
A little boy was hit in the head by a foul ball at the Braves game yesterday. He was taken to the hospital and is in good condition. Chris Johnson and Gerald Laird visited him in the hospital and brought him a few gifts.

One of those gifts was Laird's glove. It's a nice gesture and all, but...Gerald's Laird's glove? Man, that's kind of a downer.
   18. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4711023)
Carlos Gomez went and signed the ball (that hit him) too.
   19. mathesond Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4711024)
Gerald's Laird's glove? Man, that's kind of a downer


Hey, at least it wasn't Joe Shlabotnik's...or Dan Uggla's
   20. Baldrick Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4711025)
Samardzija's ERA is down to 1.46 and he's out of the game with a 2-0 lead. Could today be the day he finally gets a Win Point?

Probably not. I still have faith in the Cubs' bullpen
   21. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4711026)
The Indians are on their ninth pitcher of the day, 243 total pitches for them through 11 innings...
   22. JL Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4711036)
The Indians are on their ninth pitcher of the day, 243 total pitches for them through 11 innings...


A quick look at their roster (on ESPN) shows 13 pitchers, four of who are listed as starters. This indicates they have no more bullpen left unless they go to a starting pitcher.
   23. cmd600 Posted: May 21, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4711040)
A quick look at their roster (on ESPN) shows 13 pitchers, four of who are listed as starters. This indicates they have no more bullpen left unless they go to a starting pitcher.


They've already got tomorrow's scheduled starter, Tomlin, in.
   24. Baldrick Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:08 PM (#4711070)
Samardzija's ERA is down to 1.46 and he's out of the game with a 2-0 lead. Could today be the day he finally gets a Win Point?

Probably not. I still have faith in the Cubs' bullpen

And there it is.
   25. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4711072)
Darwin and Rizzo did Rondon no favors
   26. dr. scott Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4711079)
Detroit scores in top of 13, and cleveland ties it up and now have 2 on and 1 out in the bottom.
   27. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4711085)
That's one jacked up way to end this crazy game.
   28. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4711086)
Well there's something you don't see every day.
   29. Every Inge Counts Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4711087)
Well that was a shitty series.
   30. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4711089)
Alberto Jose Alburquerque, but you can call him Awful.
   31. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4711090)
The old walk-off balk.

That's two straight extra-inning walk-off "L"s for Al Albuquerque.
   32. dr. scott Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4711092)
so Albuquerque is brought in to intentionally walk 1 guy. Throws one more ball, and then balks in the winning run. Well played game.
   33. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4711101)
I never like walking the bases loaded with two outs... just no margin for error.

That's twice this week a team has walked the bases loaded with two outs and then had the winning run forced in on a non-batted ball.
   34. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: May 21, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4711108)
Phil Coke and Tim Timmons should both be working at a Wal-Mart far, far away from a pennant race.

That is all.
   35. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:00 PM (#4711114)
What did Timmons do wrong? That was a pretty obvious balk.
   36. Lindor Truffles Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:00 PM (#4711115)
They've already got tomorrow's scheduled starter, Tomlin, in.

Will be interesting to see the move for tomorrow, as this was day 9 of 16 straight game days.

They have no starting pitchers on the 40-man who are rested enough save TJ House, who was just sent down yesterday. If Asdrubal Cabrera's knee flares up for a DL stint, they could bring up House and then Jose Ramirez for a few days until Kipnis can return.

Moving Masterson up a day is doable, so is shuffling 40 man slots and giving Kyle Davies a spot start.
   37. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4711123)
There are currently 35 pitchers with 8 or more starts and an ERA under 3.00. That seems like a lot.

Also, only 5 of the 35 are over 32 years old.

Also, out of 108 qualifiers, only 4 are winless. Two Pirates, Kyle Kendrick of course, and the MLB ERA leader.
   38. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4711128)
The Tigers and Indians needed 15 pitchers to get through 13 innings today.

9 pitchers for the Indians, as Francona used his 8th pitcher for just one batter.
   39. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4711129)
Jose Veras appearance means Renteria is happy to have gotten at least one from the Yankees.
   40. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:39 PM (#4711133)
Carlos Santana is hitting .156 in 200 PA. Against all odds, a .168 BABIP.

He's hitting more balls on the ground than in past years.
   41. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:39 PM (#4711134)
I stepped out for a few innings, so I will assume there's no one left in the pen and any bench players have already made appearances in relief since Jose Veras is out there.
   42. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 21, 2014 at 06:59 PM (#4711143)
In case Samardzija wants to commiserate....

Randy Johnson went through this stretch in 1999:

June 25: 9 innings, 1 run, 14 Ks, 2 walks. Loss, 1-0. (complete game)
June 30: 8 innings, 2 runs, 17 Ks, 0 walks. Loss, 2-0. (complete game)
July 05: 8 innings, 1 run, 12 Ks, 4 walks. Loss, 1-0. (complete game)
July 10: 7 innings, 1 run, 11 Ks, 4 walks. Loss, 2-0.
July 15: 8 innings, 0 runs, 8 Ks, 2 walks. No decision.

40 innings, 1.13 ERA, 62 Ks/12 Walks in 40 innings...for a record of 0 and 4.
   43. Gamingboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4711144)
Cubs gonna Cubs.
   44. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 21, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4711145)
Yes, Veras closed the door.

14 pitchers for the two teams over 15 innings.
   45. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 21, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4711147)
Ooh, Dan Griner in 1914:

4 starts. 4 complete games. 2 total earned runs allowed. ....Win-loss record of 0 and 4.

His teammates scored 1 total run in those 4 games, and committed 11 errors behind him (leading to 6 unearned runs).
   46. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: May 21, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4711158)
Ervin Santana's ERA sure took a significant jump that first inning.
   47. PeteF3 Posted: May 21, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4711160)

9 pitchers for the Indians, as Francona used his 8th pitcher for just one batter.


That was Bryan Shaw, who'd pitched each of the previous 2 nights and for 2 innings last night, and wasn't supposed to be available at all today.

In hindsight he probably should have stretched Atchison for another inning or two--he'd thrown just 17 pitches in innings 3 & 4. Also Rzepczynski and Axford had nothing and couldn't get through 1, which didn't help.
   48. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4711166)
I just don't see how they can continue to play Uggla. I mean, he might rebound, but at some point, you have to cut your losses.

Upton is approaching that "some point" as well.
   49. Snowboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:14 PM (#4711171)
Adam Lind just hit a triple at Fenway.
As fun as it is to see a thoroughbred like Carlos Gomez whiz around the bases for a triple, it's almost more fun to see a clydesdale like Lind thunder around for one.

...Immediately followed by another Encarnacion HR. Second HR tonight, and he homered twice last night. EE is hotter than a four alarm fire right now.
   50. Rob_Wood Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4711177)
Clemens had a similar streak in April 2005 (I remember three straight 1-0 losses).
   51. Rob_Wood Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:29 PM (#4711181)
Is this the bizarro world? Rick Sutcliffe just said he hates intentionally walking the number 8 place hitter to get to the pitcher. The guy is hitting 8th for a reason, and I'd like to lead off the next inning with the pitcher!!

I have to lie down now.
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:31 PM (#4711183)
Randy Johnson went through this stretch in 1999:

June 25: 9 innings, 1 run, 14 Ks, 2 walks. Loss, 1-0. (complete game)
June 30: 8 innings, 2 runs, 17 Ks, 0 walks. Loss, 2-0. (complete game)
July 05: 8 innings, 1 run, 12 Ks, 4 walks. Loss, 1-0. (complete game)
July 10: 7 innings, 1 run, 11 Ks, 4 walks. Loss, 2-0.
July 15: 8 innings, 0 runs, 8 Ks, 2 walks. No decision.

40 innings, 1.13 ERA, 62 Ks/12 Walks in 40 innings...for a record of 0 and 4.


In one of those games the opposing pitcher pitched a no-hitter, and then in the rematch pitched a two hitter. I give you the legendary Jose Jimenez. (funny thing is in between the no-hitter and the two hitter, Jimenez had a game where he allowed 7 runs in four innings...just not to the Diamondbacks)
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4711184)
Is this the bizarro world? Rick Sutcliffe just said he hates intentionally walking the number 8 place hitter to get to the pitcher. The guy is hitting 8th for a reason, and I'd like to lead off the next inning with the pitcher!!


Nearly every announcer has said both points of view on that particular decision. (at least from what I've heard) basically whatever the manager does, they argue the opposite.

   54. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:38 PM (#4711187)
Cardinals just request a replay on a stolen base attempt by the Diamondbacks, and it was overturned. And it was quickly overturned, which is what I have been campaigning for. The announcers said that the average time for replay has dropped 25 seconds from earlier in the season. That is good, and the announcers pointed out that most of the time is involved with getting the umps the headsets to call in the review.
   55. Walt Davis Posted: May 21, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4711194)
While we commiserate with Samardzija, let us note this odd fact of baseball.

The Cubs have now scored 174 runs and given up 174 runs and have a record of 16-28. Worst in baseball pending tonight's Astros game.

Coming into today, the Brewers had scored 172 runs and given up 173 and have a record of 27-19.

Who do I write to to complain?
   56. Baldrick Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4711204)
Cardinals just request a replay on a stolen base attempt by the Diamondbacks, and it was overturned. And it was quickly overturned, which is what I have been campaigning for. The announcers said that the average time for replay has dropped 25 seconds from earlier in the season. That is good, and the announcers pointed out that most of the time is involved with getting the umps the headsets to call in the review.

Wait, they don't have the ability to instantly initiate a replay? They literally have to put on the headsets to even let people know to start checking? Is that really true?
   57. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:43 PM (#4711206)
Wait, they don't have the ability to instantly initiate a replay? They literally have to put on the headsets to even let people know to start checking? Is that really true?


They use headsets in the NFL duh.

Seriously, give the second base ump oh I don't know, how about a ####### cell phone? Quick text message, maybe a phone call, hell let the nice people at AT&T sponsor it. "This review is brought to you by AT&T, let's watch Jim Joyce is iPhone 5S available exclusively on the AT&T network find out how badly they ###### up that call at second base."
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4711208)
Wait, they don't have the ability to instantly initiate a replay?


The ability is there, it's just not being used I guess. Although it's possible that the replay team is anticipating the replay and is already reviewing the play before the official request is made, which might be figuring into how fast they are happening.
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:46 PM (#4711209)
Who do I write to to complain?


Bill James for giving you unrealistic expectations about run differentials, and forgetting to tell you that the Cubs are exempt from all rules of logic and science and math, and only subject to a goat curse. :)
   60. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4711211)
Mclaughlin is still an idiot... "Taveres with a good couple of nights, and you wonder about when his arrival...not if, but when." No #### sherlock, one of the highest regarded prospects in baseball, who has been tearing it up after getting healthy......yes of course he's going to make the team at some point....but c'mon provide better analysis than that. Mention that he's rumored to probably be called up for the stretch of play against the AL or something, but "when, not if." is a weak ass cop-out idiot comment.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:00 PM (#4711215)
Wacha hit by a batted ball, in the dugout, was also nearly hit earlier when he was on the mound but the dugout one seemed to hurt a little more.
   62. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4711216)
Matt Cain left the Giants-Rockies game after three innings with a right hamstring strain.
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4711217)
Matt Adams steals third..... you have to love it when the opposing team forgets about the runner.
   64. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:06 PM (#4711219)
bourjos is totally useless as a hitter.
   65. Nats-Homer-in-DC Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4711223)
Fozzy Bear out after 6 innings of shutout ball. Got hit by a foul ball in the dugout
   66. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4711230)
I like this Neshek, Martinez, Rosenthal 7th/8th/9th combo we have going, even if Rosenthal and Martinez haven't been as good as expected. Wish we had a bigger lead so that we could see Motte in action.
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:36 PM (#4711237)
Well Martinez royally failed right there. 2-1 Diamondbacks after a 2 run homerun by Parra.
   68. salvomania Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4711242)
Martinez has been terrible in tight games.
   69. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:52 PM (#4711246)
Wait, they don't have the ability to instantly initiate a replay? They literally have to put on the headsets to even let people know to start checking? Is that really true?

How long before broadcasts cut to video of the replay ump hunched over and squinting at a bank of monitors? Maybe they can charge extra for such "bonus coverage".
   70. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4711247)
Yadier is en fuego.
   71. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4711248)
Is this the bizarro world? Rick Sutcliffe just said he hates intentionally walking the number 8 place hitter to get to the pitcher. The guy is hitting 8th for a reason, and I'd like to lead off the next inning with the pitcher!!

I have to lie down now.


I actually don't think Sutcliffe is being all that dense here. Unless the game is on the line, or it's at least a LIPS, I would just pitch to the 8 hitter. I dislike IBBs in general other than in LIPS, and I feel that managers vastly overuse them.

I suspect pitching to the 8 hitter was even more of a good idea a generation ago, before virtually every hitter in the lineup could hurt you.
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4711249)

I actually don't think Sutcliffe is being all that dense here. Unless the game is on the line, or it's at least a LIPS, I would just pitch to the 8 hitter. I dislike IBBs in general other than in LIPS, and I feel that managers vastly overuse them.

I suspect pitching to the 8 hitter was even more of a good idea a generation ago, before virtually every hitter in the lineup could hurt you.


The original post was implying that Sutcliffe agrees with you, and most people on here agree with you, that is why he was wondering if this was bizarro world, because common wisdom has been to walk the 8th hitter to get to the pitcher(there is a reason that the 8th hitter on nearly every team leads the team in intentional walks.)


   73. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4711250)
Jay is able to do what Bourjos is not capable of doing....a deep fly ball with less than two outs to score the man on third.
   74. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4711252)
Another big day for the Marlins' bats. The Marlins are now second in runs scored in the NL. That's not something I expected coming into the season.
   75. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4711254)
Uggh.....live game action, power pitcher on the mound, and they show the pitches from behind the plate....really? Got to see the strikeout on the replay, but not live, because they wanted to show a butt shot of the batter.
   76. Rob_Wood Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4711261)
Yes, Rick Sutcliffe has for years been a whipping boy of sabermetricians (not to mention a pretty awful announcer). Recently, the more I have heard of him, the more I like him. Even his voice, once I could not stand it, sounds okay to me now.

In case it was not clear, of course you want to pitch to the number 8 hitter in most situations in the NL. Terry Collins proved tonight, once again, that he is dumber than Rick Sutcliffe.
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:22 PM (#4711263)
Yes, Rick Sutcliffe has for years been a whipping boy of sabermetricians (not to mention a pretty awful announcer). Recently, the more I have heard of him, the more I like him. Even his voice, once I could not stand it, sounds okay to me now.



That is one reason why I like to reevaluate the announcers every couple of years, many get better and some get worse.(and Mike Shannon fluctuates in quality during the game)
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4711266)
Jason Motte's first appearance of the year(and since 2012).....no pressure, extra innings, tied game, one out, man on first.....

   79. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4711269)
wow.....that runner on first was fast, but that was played perfectly by Holliday(I'm assuming Descalso) and Molina.


Man on first hard hit ball to the left field, fielded off the bounce, throw to cutoff man, throw home, beat the runner by a couple of steps and perfect tag. But man that guy(Inciarte) was motoring. With how hard it was hit and how well it was played, there should have been no way it was as close as it was.
   80. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:38 PM (#4711272)
First and second no outs, Yadier up to bat, bottom of the 10th..... and he sacrifices????

Not sure I oppose that move to be honest. Although Yadier is hitting something like .500 over the past 9 games.
   81. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:42 PM (#4711274)
jiminy crickets...the guy just threw 4 straight balls, and you swing at the first pitch? in my kangaroo court that would be a fine.
   82. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4711275)
For those who don't have mlbtv.com, the Cardinal/D-back game is the free game of the day. Maybe Sam/Gamingboy should highlight the free game of the day as a reminder. (or maybe not)

   83. cardsfanboy Posted: May 21, 2014 at 11:59 PM (#4711277)
Motte 1 2/3rd of an inning. 1 hit, 1 strikeout. Not a bad first game back. I don't think he threw anything faster than 94 mph(missed his second inning of work though, as the feed kept going in and out, so can't be sure on that one)
   84. boteman Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4711278)
Santiago Casilla threw a whopping 4 pitches to record 3 outs in the 8th so Bochy batted him when his spot came up in the 9th. His 5th career P.A.

He charged down the 1B line, tripped over the bag writhing in pain, and was helped off the field by the trainer. This, after Cain left in the 3rd with an injury.
   85. boteman Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4711282)
That's twice this week a team has walked the bases loaded with two outs and then had the winning run forced in on a non-batted ball.

And here's gritty Kirk Gibson with the IBB to Molina to load the bases with no outs in the 12th inning. Holliday at 3B, Matt Adams at 2B after a double...what could possibly go wrong for the D-backs?
   86. cardsfanboy Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4711283)
Listening to dueling announcers right now...men on second and third, 0 outs and they intentionally walk yadier to get to Craig...

the radio announcers predicted it, and said it was the obvious move, to create the force at the plate..... the tv announcers meanwhile are saying "Craig is one of the best clutch hitters in baseball the past two years and this move makes no sense."

   87. cardsfanboy Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:17 AM (#4711285)
I'll take it.
   88. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4711294)
Complete game for Jered Weaver, Angels win without Trout in the lineup, now six over .500. Kole Calhoun is back, Josh Hamilton starts his rehab stint tomorrow.

IT'S HAPPENING!
   89. boteman Posted: May 22, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4711295)
I don't think Gibson had much choice at that point. Ideally, you don't allow Holliday and/or Adams to reach in the first place, but they did so the game was pretty much already lost at that point. With nobody out it was only a matter of time until Holliday crossed the plate one way or another; a crappy throw qualifies as another way.
   90. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 22, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4711307)
In case it was not clear, of course you want to pitch to the number 8 hitter in most situations in the NL. Terry Collins proved tonight, once again, that he is dumber than Rick Sutcliffe.


Collins is an idiot.

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