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Wednesday, August 13, 2014

OMNICHATTER 8-14-14

OMNICHATTER on a Thursday!

Gamingboy Posted: August 13, 2014 at 11:31 PM | 85 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4771025)
Dodgers jump out to a quick 1-0 lead against CO3.
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4771047)
And now Butera goes deep! 3-0!
   3. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4771054)
Yep. With that "offense" of theirs, CO3 is already in trouble in this one.
   4. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4771070)
Let's make that Dodgers 4 - CO3 zippy.
   5. stanmvp48 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4771071)
CO3?
   6. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4771072)
Shorthand for the Cobb County Cornpones. The Dodgers are scoring too often for me to type out the full name in every post.
   7. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4771094)
Wild pitch leads to a run but got out of it without further damage. 4-1 lead after 4 is not bad for having an August waiver pickup on the mound.
   8. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4771100)
CO3 gives it right back, now 5-1.
   9. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4771103)
And Harang KO'd in the 5th inning. 4 1/3 IP, 5ER, responsible for three more.

Edit: Bah! a bases loaded double play
   10. Willie Mayspedester Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4771146)
Just looked up the stats for Baez to see how he's been doing. 13 K to 0 BB in 41 AB. Promising but needs to refine his approach or so the numbers say.

Funny thing is how close he is to another player on the Cubbies.

Player A: .268/.268/.610 OPS .878 13 K 0 BB
Player B: .267/.298/.511 OPS .809 13 K 0 BB
   11. Bourbon Samurai Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4771157)
That was a hilariously bad play by callaspo
   12. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4771172)
Oh dear. The "Cobb County Cornpones" have drawn to within a run and Gattis is the go ahead run at the plate. This bullpen...
   13. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4771177)
Thank you, Jansen.

And Joey B., please leave this site forever. You embarrass all Nationals fams.
   14. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4771181)
No, you horse's ass. You're not my superior officer or my boss, so you don't get to tell me what to do.
   15. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4771182)
And Joey B., please leave this site forever. You embarrass all Nationals famshuman beings.
   16. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4771183)
No, you horse's ass. You're not my superior officer or my boss, so you don't get to tell me what to do.


He didn't tell, he asked.
   17. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4771184)
He didn't tell, he asked.

If there's one thing Joey B doesn't do, it's nuance.
   18. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4771185)
AGon provides some insurance, although Yasiel couldn't add yet another run. 6-4, with the Braves changing pitchers.
   19. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4771186)
In other news, Edwin Jackson is still a waste of space.
   20. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4771192)
Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4771181)
[ Ignored Comment ]
Joey's gone from being intensely revolting to hilarious. I actually want him to post MORE now!
   21. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4771198)
I would love to know what % of the users have him on ignore.
   22. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4771199)
150 K's for B.J.

For the Nats and Dodgers, a 5 1/2 game lead, with Washington trying to sweep the Mets tonight.
   23. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4771201)
Ooooooo, they made it VERY interesting late, but the 'Pones still got Pwned for the 12th time in 15 games.

And with mighty Oakland coming in for the weekend and the Marlins playing Arizona, third place probably isn't too far away now.
   24. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4771202)
What an ending. Go Blue!

Also, figures the Dodgers would win with Correia, Haren and Hernandez and lose with Ryu.
   25. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4771203)
I'm assuming all Jarrod Dyson errors are the result of him planning a backflip after making the catch.
   26. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4771205)
Edwin Jackson's contract isn't nearly as crippling as Alfonso Soriano's, but I find myself counting down to its end the same way. Of course, it's more likely that he doesn't last the duration of the contract. At this rate, it's almost looking like he shouldn't last the season. The Cubs aren't flush with starting pitching, but he's not even passable most of the time. Three runs feels like a perfect game from him, with five or six or more runs being the usual outcome. And even then, he doesn't go deep into games while giving up lots of hits ala Jason Marquis.
   27. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4771209)
I would love to know what % of the users have him on ignore.


I took him off (after probably 2 or 3 years) about a month ago, for no particular reason that I can recall. Needless to say, I'm rethinking that.
   28. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4771213)
Rough inning for the Royals:

Top of the 6th, two outs, runner on first, Shields induces a lazy fly ball to Dyson….who loses it in the sun. Runner scores, batter ends up on third. Then Callaspo gets a single, and the 2-1 lead turns into a 3-2 deficit.

Next inning, Alcides Escobar leads off and attempts to bunt for a single. The catcher Jaso fields the bunt, and throws it wildly down the right field line, and Escobar ends up second….except the umpire rules him out on obstruction (ran inside the baselines, not giving Jaso a lane to make the throw). Later in the inning Billy Butler would hit a single to left center.

3-run swing right there. Game of inches.
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4771220)
And Lorenzo Cain nearly called out for briefly taking his hand off third before calling time. Sheesh.
   30. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4771222)
Jarrod Dyson: Redemption! Tie game!
   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4771225)
This is almost certainly not sustainable, but it sure the hell is fun to watch.
   32. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4771227)
Nori Aoki: .309/.397/.409, 6 for 6 on steals over the past two months.
   33. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4771231)
11 of Detroit's final 42 games are against the Twins.
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4771238)
150 K's for B.J.


That's one hell of a call girl you got there.
   35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4771240)
This is the Royals last game this season against a team with a better record than them.
   36. Urkel's Boner Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4771242)
Pitchers with 14 or more Ks in a game this year: Clayton Kershaw, Jon Lester, Felix Hernandez, Jose Fernandez, Max Scherzer... and Mike Fiers.
   37. Urkel's Boner Posted: August 14, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4771247)
Also Bob Uecker has Fiers tapped to play the "Kramer" role in a sitcom about people living in an apartment underneath one of the Cubs rooftop seating sections that he's been pitching all game long today because "he's tall". Personally I'd go for Carlos Gomez because as Ueck stated early in the year he "swings the bat like Kramer walking through Jerry's door".
   38. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4771251)
I would love to know what % of the users have him on ignore.

And of the remainder, the percentage who refrain from placing him on ignore strictly for the mock value. (I fall into that category.)
   39. JJ1986 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4771253)
I've had him on ignore for 2 or 3 years.
   40. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4771254)
Edwin Jackson's contract isn't nearly as crippling as Alfonso Soriano's, but I find myself counting down to its end the same way.

Soriano's contract was for way too much money and way too many years, but Soriano himself wasn't totally worthless as a player. Same can't be said for Jackson.
   41. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4771256)
Pitchers with 14 or more Ks in a game this year: Clayton Kershaw, Jon Lester, Felix Hernandez, Jose Fernandez, Max Scherzer... and Mike Fiers.

The Cub lineup is K-riffic, particularly with the insertion of Baez.

Oof--Javier's 0 for 4 with 4 Ks today.
   42. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4771257)
Pitchers with 14 or more Ks in a game this year: Clayton Kershaw, Jon Lester, Felix Hernandez, Jose Fernandez, Max Scherzer... and Mike Fiers


How many of those were 14ks in 6ip, besides Fiers?
   43. Urkel's Boner Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4771262)

How many of those were 14ks in 6ip, besides Fiers?


Previous shortest outing of the 2014 14K+ club was Felix with 15 in 7 innings on June 8th. Cueto previously had the most in 6 innings or less with 12 on June 11th.
   44. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4771275)
That 6 inning, 14 K performance is a record:

No pitcher has ever had as many Ks in fewer innings, or fewer innings with as many Ks.

Fiers is the 8th guy in history with a 6 inning, 14 K game. He joins: Max Scherzer, Kelvim Escobar, AJ Burnett, Randy Johnson, Kerry Wood, Nolan Ryan, and Sam McDowell
   45. Ziggy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4771290)
Man the save rule is stupid. Greg Holland just got one for getting two outs with a four run lead. (He also walked a batter, just to show off how stupid of a rule it is.)

and


I read this: "I find myself counting down to its end the same way." As: "I find myself counting down to its ending the same way." And I wondered why you were so intent on Jackson playing well for the Yankees.
   46. Nasty Nate Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4771297)
This is the Royals last game this season against a team with a better record than them.


Not necessarily.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4771300)
Man the save rule is stupid. Greg Holland just got one for getting two outs with a four run lead. (He also walked a batter, just to show off how stupid of a rule it is.)


Nearly all basic pitching stats have their flaws. You can win games by pitching 5 innings allowing 7 runs. You can get a quality start(which is a MUCH better stat than the win) by just pitching 6 innings of ball and allowing 3 runs(4.50 era). You can earn a hold while putting more men on base than outs you record.(or allowing more runs to score than outs recorded) etc. The extreme versions happen so frequently that they are just there to set a barrier.
   48. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4771307)
By bWAR, the first place Orioles best position player is Steve Pearce, and their best pitcher is Darren O'Day.
   49. Urkel's Boner Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4771308)
That 6 inning, 14 K performance is a record:

No pitcher has ever had as many Ks in fewer innings, or fewer innings with as many Ks.

Fiers is the 8th guy in history with a 6 inning, 14 K game. He joins: Max Scherzer, Kelvim Escobar, AJ Burnett, Randy Johnson, Kerry Wood, Nolan Ryan, and Sam McDowell


That's awesome, thanks. Looking forward to watching the archived game later.
   50. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4771311)
By bWAR, the first place Orioles best position player is Steve Pearce, and their best pitcher is Darren O'Day.


Wow. Really? How are they a good team?
   51. stanmvp48 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4771351)
If I am not mistaken you can get a hold and a loss in the same game.
   52. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4771361)
The Orioles are interesting IMO because they don't have a single MVP or CY candidate, and none of the players are having career years. They just have a ton of guys who are average to above average, and almost no truly terrible players. This team is a little like some of the Weaver teams from the 70s except with the bullpen getting a lot more innings.

(Although I don't buy the bWAR # for Pearce)
   53. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4771362)
Steve Pierce's RField of 16 in limited time at first base and left field seems a bit suspect. Is he being positioned in strange ways that he's stealing other fielder's plays or something?
   54. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4771372)
Can I get a Whappa for Adam LaRoche!!
   55. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4771377)
The Orioles are interesting IMO because they don't have a single MVP or CY candidate, and none of the players are having career years. They just have a ton of guys who are average to above average, and almost no truly terrible players. This team is a little like some of the Weaver teams from the 70s except with the bullpen getting a lot more innings.
No easy outs, no weak rotation spots, strong bullpen. That team is solid all over. The Brewers are much like that, too. Not quite so evenly spread out, but both teams are just good solid ball clubs.

I would love to know what % of the users have him on ignore.
54. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4771372)
[ Ignored Comment ]
I actually giggled out loud. This is a source of fun and humor I had not anticipated!
   56. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:03 PM (#4771392)
Hell, pitchers can get a hold without even recording an out. Obvious example...LOOGY comes in, walks the lefty, then leaves. If no run scores, it's a hold!
   57. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4771394)
Can I get a Whappa for the Las Vegas Kid baby!!
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:36 PM (#4771412)
Hell, pitchers can get a hold without even recording an out. Obvious example...LOOGY comes in, walks the lefty, then leaves. If no run scores, it's a hold


I thought they were required to record at least one out.

1. Enters the game in a save situation;
2. Records at least one out
3. Leaves the game before it has ended without his team having relinquished the lead at any point and does not record a save.


There was an alternate hold rule from 1994-2009 which didn't require recording an out, but that rule is not used any more.
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:37 PM (#4771413)
Peralta gives the Cardinals an early 2-0 lead in the second inning with his franchise tying record for most homeruns by a shortstop in a season, with his 16th.
   60. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:51 PM (#4771423)
This year there have been some serious ugly run downs.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4771426)
Adams is showing off the reason why his rField has been rated so well this year.
   62. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4771446)
Cardinals broadcast is having Al Hrabosky arguing what he would do if he was commissioner. I generally like Al, but every idea he proposed was stupid beyond belief.

1. Eliminate the DH.
2. Make the strike zone bigger
3. Raise the mound(his rationale, was that we are having all these surgeries for pitchers because of the lowering the mound....in the day before they lowered the mound, nobody had surgeries....yes that was his argument.)

   63. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:22 PM (#4771448)
Astros starters would have a case of justifiable homicide if they bludgeoned their bullpen to death.
   64. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4771451)
It's too bad we can't play at Citi Field 162 times.
   65. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4771461)
The Houston Astros are bad at baseball and should feel bad.
   66. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4771475)
A curly W, and a six-game lead!
   67. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4771476)
Sigh, it's always so sad having to leave Citi Field, our home away from home.

Bang, zoom, it's a a 13 game over, 6 game lead Curly W in the books!!
   68. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4771482)
Sorry, Joey, but I beat you to the punch. (And I didn't hit below the belt, either.)
   69. boteman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:21 PM (#4771492)
Somehow, Mike Dunn came on to pitch in a 4-4 tie game and leaves the inning with a 4-4 tie. There is a god!

I'm not really rooting for the Marlins so much as rooting against the D-bags. Although I've gotta be careful here as my early season prediction is slowly coming true: the Marlins are making things interesting.
   70. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:21 PM (#4771493)
The Royals are 17-8 since the ASB, with three of those losses to Jon Lester.
   71. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4771494)

I thought they were required to record at least one out.


You could throw a ball, have the catcher throw a runner out, and get a hold, which is almost as stupid.
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4771501)
Jon Jay delivers...Cardinals take the lead in the 8th inning... Now hopefully relievers can hold the game. (the tv broadcast missed it....that is hilarious)
   73. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:35 PM (#4771504)
You could throw a ball, have the catcher throw a runner out, and get a hold, which is almost as stupid.


Again, every pitcher stat has the extreme possibility, but the design is not that flawed of a concept, to fix it would be to write a stat that has about 50 options for becoming qualified. Hold is simple enough, come into a game in a potential save situation, record at least one out and leave with the save situation intact.
   74. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:36 PM (#4771505)
Holy poop, Matt Adams is up to three walks this month!
   75. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:41 PM (#4771508)
Holy poop, Matt Adams is up to three walks this month!


I think all three were situations where the other team didn't want to pitch to him, not him being too selective.
   76. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:45 PM (#4771510)
And Rosenthal's first batter BABIP goes to .600 or something.

And he walks somebody. This is a Rosenthal inning.
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4771515)
And Rosenthal's first batter BABIP goes to .600 or something.


Don't exaggerate, it's only .500.


   78. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4771517)
Venable or Davidson really is supposed to knock the bat out of the way.
   79. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4771518)
Call stands.... whew....
   80. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4771519)
I think the Padres got screwed there. Cardinals still leading 4-3, but Rosenthal hasn't done well this game.
   81. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4771522)
Rosenthal is so much better when he doesn't fool around with off speed stuff.
   82. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4771523)
Whew. Breathe.
   83. salvomania Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:04 PM (#4771526)
Call stands.... whew....

Is there a chance the runner was out of the baseline?

The 3b dugout angle showed a POSSIBLE graze of the shoulder, but A.J. was on the line several feet up towards 3b, moving towards the runner in foul territory, and Amarista(?) seemed to go even further outside his already wide-arcing route... I know the runner's path supposedly defines the "baseline" but it seemed as if Amarista went well beyond his established path...
   84. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:39 PM (#4772206)
NOT IMPRESSIVE FLORES
   85. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4772207)
J.J.!

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