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Saturday, August 16, 2014

OMNICHATTER 8-16-14

The Royals-Are-Still-In-First-Place OMNICHATTER

Gamingboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 12:13 AM | 93 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 16, 2014 at 05:44 PM (#4772505)
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   2. Spahn Insane Posted: August 16, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4772509)
Nah, I think the Giants'll squeak in with one of the wild cards.
   3. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 16, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4772515)
I think the Giants make the playoffs also. Im fascinated by the Rays. Ill be watching.
   4. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 16, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4772526)
Turn Back the Clock Night at Turner Field. The Braves are remembering the "Miracle Braves" of 1914. I love Turn Back the Clock Night.
   5. Spahn Insane Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4772529)
If the Rays catch the Tigers (or pretty much any of the current WC contenders), I'm gonna laugh my ass off.
   6. Srul Itza Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4772532)
With his Game Winning RBI single in the top of the Ninth, Derek Jeter tied Cap Anson for 6th in Career Hits on the Baseball Reference Leader Board.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4772534)
f'ing idiot, that is the third time this year a fan screwed up in St Louis that I can recall.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4772539)
That was kinda funny... Dad catches a foul ball, hands it to the kid and while the dad is getting high fived from the family, the kid throws it back. (fortunately the Padres third base coach, got the ball and managed to toss it back to the people that originally caught it)
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4772543)
I love Jim Edmonds, but it's not right to paraphrase the Harry Kalas quote on Maddox by inserting Edmonds name in there.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4772549)
Cardinals won that challenge. In another thread we were talking about the fact that the Cardinals have the lowest challenge success rate in baseball, and it's funny because it was even worse a few weeks ago. The Cardinals(prior to this challenge) have won 6 out of 21 challenges...as of July 29th, they had won 2 out of 16.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 07:51 PM (#4772551)
I know people make fun of baseball because some of the players are "fat" but it's hilarious watching someone like Matt Adams scoring from first on a double.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4772569)
Miller is blowing this game...4-4 now...
   13. boteman Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4772570)
f'ing idiot, that is the third time this year a fan screwed up in St Louis that I can recall.

B.F.I.B., I'm told.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:30 PM (#4772572)
B.F.I.B., I'm told.


Mostly by non-cardinal fans of course. Not one single Cardinal fan on this site has said or implied that in at least 5 years...yet f-ing idiots on this web site keep bringing it up.
   15. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4772575)
The B.F.I.B. are so B., they don't even have to.
   16. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4772576)
has Gyorko's child gotten better? Heard it was seriously ill
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4772577)
Cardinals have been hit 5 times so far in this series(Jay 4 of them) yet you aren't going to see a Kirk Gibson like retaliation from the Cardinals.
   18. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4772578)
   19. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4772579)
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   20. puck Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:54 PM (#4772580)
Rockies-Reds postponed due to a broken water main in the area.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4772581)
These announcers are idiots.... "Cardinals are 6th in average and 14th in rbi.." Why the heck would anyone, ever talk about teams ranking in rbi, instead of runs?
   22. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:58 PM (#4772582)
Felix-Price matchup is kind of a bust. Hernandez only went five and wasn't sharp at all.
   23. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 16, 2014 at 08:59 PM (#4772583)
Also the Mets have seven runs on four hits because #### the Cubs.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4772585)
Just curious if the front office for FS1 is the same people as the fox sports affiliates... the stats they are putting up is generally stuff that would have been considered archaic ten years ago, while fox sports midwest has been extremely pro-sabr.
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4772586)
This Padres team plays as deep of an outfield as I have ever seen. And Adams with his team leading 5th triple even with the outfielders playing 2 steps from the warning track.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:10 PM (#4772587)
The announcer just said "Peter Bourjos maybe the fastest big leaguer today, only has 4 triples".... sorry, but every Cardinal fan will tell you Bourjos has good to very good speed, but is not remotely the fastest player in the game. Or even top five fastest in the division probably. (Hamilton, Gomez, Harrison, Polanco, Marte, for just a start)
   27. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:12 PM (#4772588)
The announcer just said "Peter Bourjos maybe the fastest big leaguer today, only has 4 triples".... sorry, but every Cardinal fan will tell you Bourjos has good to very good speed, but is not remotely the fastest player in the game. Or even top five fastest in the division probably.
It's always so funny to hear you gripe about Bourjos. If you asked an Angel fan, they'd put him right up there near Hamilton as fastest. I don't know what went wrong in St. Louis for him, but there was much hand-wringing when he got traded away.
   28. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4772589)
Angels out to a 5-0 lead after 3.5 innings, A's losing 3-2 in Atlanta in the 6th.

I simply cannot sit still right now...
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4772590)
Is anyone still calculating player speed scores?
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4772591)
On another thread people were talking about how the modern team will stick with the starter no matter how effective they have been, just to get them to 100+ pitches in the game. Shelby Miller has allowed 4 runs, has set a career high in walked batters in a game, hasn't remotely known where the strike zone is the entire game, yet he is still on the mound in the 6th inning with 99 pitches going into the inning.
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4772592)
It's always so funny to hear you gripe about Bourjos. If you asked an Angel fan, they'd put him right up there near Hamilton as fastest. I don't know what went wrong in St. Louis for him, but there was much hand-wringing when he got traded away.


He got older, his only skill was speed, and with a drop of a step, he's no longer the player he was. He's not horrible, but my gripe was how many Cardinal fans loved the acquisition because it meant less of Jay. Jay a player who is the textbook definition of average more or less, and yet getting a speed burner who can't hit was the way to improve this team to some.

I fully hope he can be the player that people think he can be, but as of right now, Jay is the better player on the roster, but Jay isn't going to be a long career guy, his effectiveness as a starter is going to end when he turns 31. If Bourjos could ever figure out how not to strike out so much, he might end up being a decent replacement for Jay in a year or two.
   32. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:27 PM (#4772594)
Choo homers, and with two outs an infield squibber and a grounder with eyes get the Rangers back into it. 5-2 Angels, but it's not a comfy lead.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:28 PM (#4772595)
Is anyone still calculating player speed scores?


Looks like Fangraphs does. Dee Gordon leads the majors with 8.8. Hamilton 8.2, Marte 7.9, Revere 7.5, Josh Harrison 7.5, Alcides Escobar 7.2, Span 7.2, Gardner 7.2, BJ Upton 7.0, and Carlos Gomez with 6.9 finishes out the top ten.

Go to that link and click on the Spd stat to sort.
   34. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4772597)
He got older, his only skill was speed...
I know you're not a fan so I'm not going to try and argue with you over the guy. I'm just gonna say he's only 27, not an old man. As for the rest, I disagree, but... whatever.
   35. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4772598)
don't know the grades of kershaw awesome but early thru 2 he looks pretty swell
   36. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:32 PM (#4772599)
gomez kind of surprises me only that he hiits into more dps than one would expect
   37. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:33 PM (#4772601)
I know you're not a fan so I'm not going to try and argue with you over the guy. I'm just gonna say he's only 27, not an old man. As for the rest, I disagree, but... whatever.


Not saying he's old, saying that great speed becomes just plus speed once you age into your late 20's Again, he's only lost a small step, but it's enough to hurt, heck he's still is getting very good defensive numbers, he just can't hit to save his life.
   38. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4772602)
3rd base coach Gary Disarcina sent Josh Hamilton home from second on a single with one out, and Hamilton was out by about 84 feet. Just one out! A terrible decision by Disarcina. Wasted opportunity.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4772603)
gomez kind of surprises me only that he hiits into more dps than one would expect


The speed stat doesn't really include double plays...On that link, if you click UBR (Ultimate base running) that is a more modern designed stat for evaluating base running, but I don't really think it's a good proxy for evaluating true speed.
   40. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:43 PM (#4772606)
I do think gomez is fast.

   41. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4772610)
That got ugly fast.... 8-5 Padres as Siegrist blew the game.
   42. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:51 PM (#4772611)
Boy gyrko knocked that one

Is Siegfried still throwing 100 mph?
   43. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:52 PM (#4772612)
LaRoche ties it in the 8th. Watching it on the computer, which taking in the Dodger game on SportsNet LA. Life is good.
   44. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4772615)
stupid autocorrect
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: August 16, 2014 at 09:58 PM (#4772616)
And the rain delay, immediately after the Padres take the lead. At least they can't win the game like this...
   46. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4772620)
Buffalo!
   47. salvomania Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4772621)
Siegrist, fresh off the DL, allows three straight baserunners in a 1-run game, and he's left in to face a righty... who hits a grand slam...

I don't understand Matheny sometimes.. OK, most of the time...
   48. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4772624)
Braun didn't have many fans in Chavez Ravine. Now he has even fewer by homering off Kershaw with one on.
   49. Every Inge Counts Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4772625)
Oh look it's time for Joe Nathan to suck again.
   50. salvomania Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4772626)
Just looked up Siegrist's career splits, and as phenomenal as he's been vs. LHB, he's been only slightly less phenomenal vs. RHB. And he's been better vs. RHB in 2014...

   51. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4772627)
Wow, the Brewers really own the Dodgers this year. Even Kershaw can't keep them down.
   52. boteman Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4772628)
stupid autocorrect

Harvey, you can click the Edit link within 15 minutes of the posting time and correct it.
   53. boteman Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4772629)
Yeah, it's a good thing Sogard can't play SS for crap, huh?

These throwback unis would look more convincing if the television were in black and white.
   54. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4772634)
People barely were thinking about radio at the time the A's and Braves wore those things.
   55. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4772635)
The A's-Braves go final, 4-3 to Atlanta as Kimbrel closes it out. If the Angels hold on to their game tonight, they'll be tied for first place.
   56. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM (#4772636)
Braves take the series against Oakland, naturally.

Kimbrel saved the game in the ninth, but it was one of those innings you could really see some of the subtle ways he has declined since 2012. The numbers are still outstanding, of course, but the command isn't there in the way that it used to be. 2012 Craig Kimbrel would never, ever walkk Alberto Callaspo after going up 0-2.
   57. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4772638)
OK, so the Nats still have a six-game lead.
   58. boteman Posted: August 16, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4772642)
"You're expecting the fastball and he just breaks your heart with that slow curve."

Ahhhh, baseball and Vin Scully on a Saturday night. Joys of life.
   59. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4772644)
This game has had a delightful pace. What was most interesting about that Braun HR off of Kershaw. Clayton really made him look foolish on the first swinging strike (1st pitch).
   60. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4772645)
Khris Davis is pretty darned good out there in left.
   61. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4772647)
Angels are going to finish the night with a share of first place for the first time since a long time not this year ago.
   62. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4772648)
9 IP in under 100 pitches. Is that still a Maddux when you give up 3 runs and lose?
   63. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4772649)
Gallardo, I can't get over how 'fat' he looks, was really sharp tonight. Guessing he's gained 30-40 lbs. since 2006.
   64. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4772650)
Kemp ignites the bubble machine, but the Dodgers need two more runs to win.
   65. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:35 PM (#4772651)
Krod has been quite ordinary since April. Meanwhile, Gallardo threw 96 pitches in 8 ip.
   66. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:35 PM (#4772652)
Figures that Kemp hits a home run when a home run is not better than a double.
   67. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4772654)
I haven't rewound the DVR yet, but Kemps HR was eyeball high at first blush, of course that could be the gin seeing for me at this point.
   68. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:41 PM (#4772655)
For one night, Gallardo was to Clayton Kershaw what Jose DeLeon used to be to Roger Clemens. (Longtime Chisox fans will get the analogy.)
   69. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4772657)
Vin Scully called Yovanni "JOE-Vahnee" much of the night and then finishes off the broadcast calling him "JIGH-ardo'.
   70. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4772658)
Well, at least there is only one game left against Milwaukee, unless we face them in the playoffs. (Just the thought of facing Milwaukee in the playoffs is horrifying!)
   71. boteman Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:45 PM (#4772660)
For the first time since May 15, 2011, the Angels are in first -- in a virtual tie with the A's


Para El Hombre.
   72. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:47 PM (#4772661)
think the dodgers pitchers need to understand that throwing oodles of fastballs to a team that will chase breaking balls a foot off the plate is a poor approach

and throwing gomez first pitch fastballs is like chumming sharks. You are asking for bad things to happen
   73. TerpNats Posted: August 16, 2014 at 11:50 PM (#4772662)
A's and Angels play each other 10 more times, six of them in Oakland. What's the season series so far?
   74. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4772667)
Angels are 3-6 against Oakland. They won 2 of 3 in Anaheim, but got swept out of Oakland earlier this year. I've mentioned before, but the Coliseum has been a house of horrors for the Angels, and that was when the Angel bullpen was a daily scourge. Hopefully, different results next time around. Regardless, it's gonna be a tight one. It's not over. It's always been not over.
   75. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:03 AM (#4772668)
Game resumes... Padres with a 9-5 lead now....
   76. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:05 AM (#4772669)
By the way, not specifically referencing kershaw fastballs. Seems like the dodgers as a staff come with cheese regularly

Brewers win series against best team in west and split with worst team in central

Baseball is a funny game
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:07 AM (#4772670)
Wow that stadium(Busch) is empty... a 3 run deficit and an hour rain delay pretty much erased the fans.
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:09 AM (#4772671)
This team needs someone better than Descalso as the first bat off the bench.
   79. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4772672)
Gyorko has 41 rbis this season, 12 of them against the Cardinals, he's played 6 games against the Cardinals and 74 games total. Yes, Cardinal fans are going to be happy when he leaves town. Not counting this game, he's hit .316/.350/.684/1.034 against the Cardinals (his season to date numbers is .193/.244/.316/.560 (and his next best opponent he has .273/.250/.727/.977 in 3 games against the Tigers and .270/.341/.378/.720 against the Rockies)

   80. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4772677)
Carpenter seems to turn every at bat into a 7+ pitch at bat no matter what(obviously not true, but still it happens often enough) 10 pitch at bat and eventually makes a line out to center.
   81. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM (#4772679)
Announcer just said...earlier in the season hard hit balls by the Cardinals were falling in, and in this series that hasn't been happening. ...the funny thing is, the Cardinals just don't hit a lot of balls hard this year...they aren't falling or not falling, they just aren't happening.
   82. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4772681)
Freddie, I love you as much as one can love a boring half-Canadian first baseman, but...keep this to yourself, man.
   83. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4772682)
well that sucked...9-5 Padres.
   84. The District Attorney Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:58 AM (#4772691)
Pitches per PA leaders: Napoli 4.44, Trout 4.43, Gardner 4.42, Dunn 4.35, C. Santana 4.33, M. Carpenter 4.31.

I recently saw a tweet (maybe Gammons?) saying Carpenter was the best leadoff hitter in the game. By performance this year, you'd have to go with Kole Calhoun, who has 7.0 RC/27 in the leadoff spot (310/366/523). Then counting down from him, Altuve, Carlos Gomez, Span, Carpenter and Gardner are all between 5.8 and 6.1 RC/27.
   85. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 17, 2014 at 01:38 AM (#4772697)
Um, I'm not seeing BJ Upton anywhere in that list.
   86. TerpNats Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:26 AM (#4772704)
BTW, isn't it nice to do an Omnichatter without the presence of you-know-who?
   87. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:02 AM (#4772705)
I recently saw a tweet (maybe Gammons?) saying Carpenter was the best leadoff hitter in the game. By performance this year, you'd have to go with Kole Calhoun, who has 7.0 RC/27 in the leadoff spot (310/366/523). Then counting down from him, Altuve, Carlos Gomez, Span, Carpenter and Gardner are all between 5.8 and 6.1 RC/27.


Years ago(when Rickey Henderson played) USA today baseball weekly did an article trying to rate best leadoff hitters, and the way they decided to do it was by taking on base percentage(times 10) and adding it to pitches per PA. (Surprisingly Rickey Henderson was the best by this standard... also surprisingly, an article from the mid 90's was not talking about batting average or stolen bases for a leadoff hitter)

as to best leadoff hitter, pointing to a guy who has basically 1/2 the number of games in the leadoff spot, is really playing with small sample sizes. But yes Calhoun has been a better bat than Carpenter this year, although Carpenter does have a significantly better obp. Generally speaking a lot of people look at obp as the primary skill of a leadoff hitter.

Um, I'm not seeing BJ Upton anywhere in that list.

assuming you are talking about the link I posted in 33, you have to click on the stat that says Spd to sort and Bj Upton will be ninth.
   88. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:31 AM (#4772710)
as to best leadoff hitter, pointing to a guy who has basically 1/2 the number of games in the leadoff spot, is really playing with small sample sizes.
Going into last night, 315 of Calhoun's 358 PAs were from the leadoff position. The games he's missed, he missed because of injury. He's not some part-timer.
But yes Calhoun has been a better bat than Carpenter this year, although Carpenter does have a significantly better obp. Generally speaking a lot of people look at obp as the primary skill of a leadoff hitter.
Carpenter's more the prototypical leadoff guy than Calhoun, but those ~25 points of OBP doesn't make up for the ~100 of slugging that Calhoun has over Carpenter.
   89. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:46 AM (#4772712)
Carpenter's more the prototypical leadoff guy than Calhoun, but those ~25 points of OBP doesn't make up for the ~100 of slugging that Calhoun has over Carpenter.


The issue is that leadoff hitters come up more frequently with nobody on base, for a leadoff hitter, obp is more important than other lineup spots, especially in the real league where pitchers bat.

   90. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:52 AM (#4772713)
I'm not arguing that OBP is less important, I'm saying that Calhoun bats leadoff this year, and he's having a better year overall. And besides, leadoff hitters are just like every other hitter in the lineup in that they need to plate runs. His homers plate runs, his doubles plate runs and puts him in scoring position for Trout, and he knocks in runs on top of that (.306/.362/.597 RISP).

"Leadoff hitter" can be a definitional argument or a descriptive one. Calhoun bats leadoff. Take that however you will.
   91. Joey B. Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:51 AM (#4772721)
BTW, isn't it nice to do an Omnichatter without the presence of you-know-who?

Now you're starting to turn into Gonfaloon 2, Electric Boogaloo.
   92. TerpNats Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM (#4772783)
Had to go and spoil it all, didn't you?
   93. Joey B. Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4772804)
Again proving my point.

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