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OMNICHATTER 8-17-2014

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Gamingboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM | 109 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 09:31 AM (#4772727)
Children don't watch baseball, didn't you hear?
   2. Ziggy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:28 AM (#4772746)
This is more of a dugout thing, but the dugout isn't up yet and I have to leave in a minute, but I wanted to point out that Julio Franco is still playing professional baseball: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=franco001jul

That's great. Julio Franco is awesome. Dude is 55.
   3. Ziggy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4772748)
He's played for 21 different professional teams, in four different countries. 13 different leagues, unless I miscounted. He's been involved in professional baseball for 36 years, and he's still getting the occasional at bat.
   4. Dan Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4772873)
The umpires are incredibly amazing at ####### up what should be pretty simple with instant replay. They just reversed a neighborhood play against the Red Sox, despite neighborhood plays not being reviewable per the rules.
   5. Dale Sams Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4772892)
I don't see how a protest isn't held up in the Sox game.

"Ump, did you see the runner touch second?"
"Errrr...."
"How could you not? It was right in front of you and he was 5 feet from the bag. So assuming you saw him not touch the bag. Why did you go to replay? The neighborhood play isn't reviewable. and it's not supposed to be used to cover your ass"
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4772893)
Nice start to the Cardinals game... 2-0 in the first inning. (Cardinals are a crappy scoring team, 29th in runs scored, but according to Horton, Cardinals lead the NL in runs scored with two outs...that is something that is hard to do)
   7. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4772895)
wonder if they saved the ball for Baez, his first walk in 55 PA's in MLB
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4772896)
Two out rbi/base hit by Bourjos to give the Cardinals a 3-0 lead in the first.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4772898)
Cruz with a two out single to give the Cardinals a 4-0 lead in the first....I wonder how many Grand slams Gyorko has in him today?
   10. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4772899)
If the Royals make the playoffs, does that affect the evaluation of the Shields/Myers & Odorizzi trade?
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4772903)
If the Royals make the playoffs, does that affect the evaluation of the Shields/Myers & Odorizzi trade?


I imagine so in some ways. Wasn't one of the biggest knocks on the trade was that the Royals was giving up the future for the present, and it was a present that they were more than likely not to be contenders?

Even if they don't make the post season, but are just competitive all year long, that could effect attendance enough to help increase future payroll.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4772905)
Hard to believe.... the Cardinals have scored in more than one inning in the same game. That is one of those blue moon like rarities.
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4772906)
Even if they don't make the post season, but are just competitive all year long, that could effect attendance enough to help increase future payroll


Attendance is already up this year from 21,000 per game(in 2013, 2012 and 2011) to 23,000 per game, and it's gotta be assumed that will only go up the longer they are contenders.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4772911)
Looks like it's good Wainwright today. Yes it's the Padres offense of course, but they have been better as of late, Waino with 4 strikeouts after 3 innings and no walks.
   15. madvillain Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4772912)
For anyone that cares, Avisial Garcia is back and expected to get the next 30+ games in RF for Chicago. In his debut coming off the torn labrum in his non throwing shoulder, last night, he went 2-4 with a double. Today he worked a nice walk in his first PA and scored on a home run later in the inning.

He's been told not to dive in the outfield and has apparently been working with the training staff on sliding feet first like one of his boy hood heroes former Sox Magglio Ordonez.

He's a really fun guy to watch play not many guys his size have such a fundamentally sound swing based on taking balls into the gap the other way. If he develops his pull power lookout he could be a 290/340/520 type for years to come.
   16. Every Inge Counts Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4772914)
Detroit put Jim Johnson in the game. Already has allowed one run.
   17. Every Inge Counts Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4772916)
and Detroit's fielding decides to not help out either.

Detroit misses the playoffs I assume Ausmus is fired at the end of the season? I cannot imagine a team in a win now (like right now) mode is going to stand for that.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4772918)
Padres just got their first hit of the game in the 4th inning, ump probably squeezed Wainwright on the 1-2 count to set up the hit...Wainwright is still pitching well though.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4772928)
Padres heating up, with 3 hits in a row in the 5th inning.... teeing up on Wainwright curveball. 5-1 Cardinals right now.
   20. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4772929)
But would Ausmus deserve to be fired? It's not like he caused all of the pitching injuries and for Nathan to be ineffective.
   21. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4772930)
***KNUCKLEBALL ALERT***

Steven Wright is pitching for Boston.

***KNUCKLEBALL ALERT***
   22. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4772932)
cfb

What are the wainwright theories on the recent struggles?
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4772933)
I just can't see firing a manager in a year in which his team competes all year long and it's his first year on the job.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4772934)
What are the wainwright theories on the recent struggles?


1. No Yadier.

as far as this game is concerned, his curveball was working great and he fell in love with it, and the Padres realized that and just started waiting on it.
   25. puck Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4772937)
Rockies are retiring Todd Helton's jersey this year. Pretty bad that this will go down as a season highlight.
   26. Jeltzandini Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4772939)
Just looked at Jeter's gamelogs. He goes 1 for 4 with a single every damn day. It's kind of an admirable decline.
   27. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4772941)
Lloyd McClendon gets tossed by Tony Randazzo for the second straight game. This time, Randazzo was the third base umpire, and he heard something McLendon purportedly said in the first base dugout. Pretty supernatural hearing...
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4772942)
Hummel put out an article talking about World series dry spells. Every single division leader right now, hasn't won the World series in over 25 years(Oakland A's in 1989, Orioles 1983, Royals 1985, Dodgers in 1988, Expos/Nats never, Milwaukee never...in fact none of these teams have been in the World series since the A's in 1990)

could be an interesting post season.
   29. puck Posted: August 17, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4772944)
Both Monforts are participating; both appear to be sober.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4772948)
Interesting stat. Jon Jay is the first player in Cardinal history to have consecutive games where he was hit by pitches twice in a game. Last player to do that in baseball before him was Craig Biggio.


Cardinals defense isn't helping Wainwright out, but Wainwright isn't helping himself out either. 5-4 Cardinals after a Triple scored one run and a Wong error scored another.
   31. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4772951)
a Wong error
There's a joke to be made here.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4772955)
Interesting stat. Jon Jay is the first player in Cardinal history to have consecutive games where he was hit by pitches twice in a game. Last player to do that in baseball before him was Craig Biggio.


Going through bb-ref streak finder, and Vince Barton in 1931, Biggio in 2005, Jay in 2014...and that is it post 1914.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4772957)
There's a joke to be made here.


Lol... I'm going to have to remember that next time, it wasn't on purpose this time, but I think from now on, I'm going to try to find a way to incorporate a joke.

Need to have Wong get in a run down or something so that we can say he did it the Wong way....or something else more clever.
   34. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4772960)
2-0 crew on a lucroy moonshot into the left field stands
   35. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4772961)
Mike Trout singles! Breaks an 0-18 streak.

... aaaaaaand he's picked off. Man, nothing's going right for that guy right now.
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4772962)
Carpenter is having a nice little day, triple away from the cycle.
   37. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4772972)
... aaaaaaand he's picked off. Man, nothing's going right for that guy right now.


He's reminding us that he is just a mortal man.


   38. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4772979)
Good lord, CSN just showed a promo where the Phanatic sticks his tongue out to doctor the ball. How did I never realize he has this anteater-like tongue before? Gross.
   39. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4772980)
Good lord, CSN just showed a promo where the Phanatic sticks his tongue out to doctor the ball. How did I never realize he has this anteater-like tongue before? Gross.


He really is a poor replacement for Neil Young.
   40. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4772981)
lucroy has driven in 5 runs

5-0 crew after 2 innings
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4772982)
And this is why a team shouldn't be locked into requiring that a pitcher faces three batters. Rosenthal has no control. 8 pitches this inning two walks.
   42. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4772985)
it's hard to relax with a closer who walks so many guys like rosenthal.
   43. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4772986)
Lincecum walks in a run with 2 outs and bases loaded. Good AB by Cody Asche.
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4772988)
it's hard to relax with a closer who walks so many guys like rosenthal.


It's hard to relax with a closer not named Kimbrel. There just aren't any other closers in the game that don't put a man on at a rate of one per appearance.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4772995)
7-6 Cardinals right now, first and second one out, ninth inning.... Rosenthal has been pulled for Double play god, Seth Maness. He failed and allowed a single up the middle.

   46. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4772996)
Typical 3-4-1 groundout... Excellent play by Wong and Adams and Maness to do their job.
   47. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4772999)
swinging bunt by gordon of the dodgers and lucroy pounces on the dribbler and fires to first to get the runner.

impressive
   48. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4773001)
Matt Stairs is reading off some stats about Addie Joss. Apparently they completed a lot of games back then.
   49. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4773002)
I like Maness, but he doesn't have the "stuff" to be a closer, it's nice he got the save today, and it's great to see Matheny didn't just stick with Rosenthal out of loyalty, but Rosenthal is still the closer(or Neshek preferably).

Maybe Rosenthal just needs a little rest, he's been used a lot this year and he seems afraid to use his fastball as often as he did last year or even in June when he was pretty effective.
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4773004)
swinging bunt by gordon of the dodgers and lucroy pounces on the dribbler and fires to first to get the runner.

impressive


Best catcher in baseball right now(just because Yadier is injured :) ...j/k) 3 excellent seasons in a row is not a fluke year that can be dismissed just because of lack of familiarity. It's great to see him getting some props that he deserves.
   51. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4773005)
i know whip is disparaged around here but as a quick and dirty finger in the air talk of baserunners allowed among the nl saves leaders rosenthal is way ahead of everyone save for i guess cishek who is a closer by default in miami
   52. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4773008)
7-0 brewers after gomez rips one into the left field corner seats for a homer
   53. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4773009)
cfb

so if you are doug melvin do you re-negotiate a raise for lucroy or have the player play under a ridiculously team friendly contract?

the guy has outplayed the contract so far by a factor of a million
   54. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4773013)
Wow. The Angels load the bases with nobody out in the top of the 8th, then whiff three straight times to strand them. Angels still clinging to a 2-1 lead in Texas, and a share of the AL West lead.
   55. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:31 PM (#4773015)
Random memory refresher: MLB doesn't use tiebreakers to determine who reaches the playoffs, right? All ties are broken with actual games? No head-to-head results?
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:32 PM (#4773017)
so if you are doug melvin do you re-negotiate a raise for lucroy or have the player play under a ridiculously team friendly contract?

the guy has outplayed the contract so far by a factor of a million


I don't know the relationship Lucroy is having with the city, so it's hard to say. If he is "loved" by Milwaukee in the same way that Yadier is in St Louis and is capable of becoming the face of the franchise, and considering his defensive prowess, which means even if his offense declines rapidly, he'll still provide value and defense prowess doesn't decline nearly as fast...then I look at a way to keep him until his age 33 season with a mutual option for 34 and improve his current financial situation.

   57. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4773019)
He's played for 21 different professional teams, in four different countries. 13 different leagues, unless I miscounted. He's been involved in professional baseball for 36 years, and he's still getting the occasional at bat.


A guy who was teammates with Pete Rose, Mike Hargrove and Del Unser. He played in the Eastern League when it was made up of teams in Reading, Buffalo, Lynn, Holyoke, Glens Falls, Bristol, Waterbury and West Haven. He played in the Carolina League and the Northwest League when those leagues contained unaffiliated teams (including the 24-114 1980 Rocky Mount Pines).
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4773021)
i know whip is disparaged around here but as a quick and dirty finger in the air talk of baserunners allowed among the nl saves leaders rosenthal is way ahead of everyone save for i guess cishek who is a closer by default in miami


I absolutely use Whip, not sure why anyone disparages it. In fact it is the very first stat I will look at for a non-closer reliever. The only problem I have with it among closers, is that there is a big difference in closing when it comes to walks vs hits allowed. Walks are of course bad, but hits in the 9th inning are much worse generally speaking.

   59. Dale Sams Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4773022)
I like WHIP, usually for when I feel like a pitcher is getting lucky and then I look over and see a 1.50 WHIP and say, holy ####!
   60. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4773023)
cfb

rosenthal is giving up almost a hit per inning. add in the walks and hit batters and his whip is almost 1.4

that's a scary big number
   61. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:44 PM (#4773024)
this 'face of the franchise' thing is a very recent topic. it's dumb
   62. salvomania Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4773026)
rosenthal is giving up almost a hit per inning. add in the walks and hit batters and his whip is almost 1.4

He's allowed 8 baserunners in 1.1 ip over his last two outings, taking his WHIP from an alarming 1.327 up to a disturbing 1.438 by the end of today's game.
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4773027)
rosenthal is giving up almost a hit per inning. add in the walks and hit batters and his whip is almost 1.4


I wish I was more willing to research pitchFX data, Rosenthal's problems feel like his unwillingness to use his fast ball.
   64. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4773028)
not like the cards don't have about 3 guys who could do the job though

but didn't i read or hear about neshek stating that he's tired? because that guy is some kind of good
   65. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4773029)
this 'face of the franchise' thing is a very recent topic. it's dumb


Okay, to be more accurate, is the player a guy you want on the franchise for years to come even if he is performing below average and making a relative ton of money?
   66. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4773030)
Huston Street on the edge of giving up the lead in Texas. 2 on, no outs in the bottom of the 9th of a 2-1 game.

And there it is. Single ties the game, winning run goes to third.

And there goes the game.

First place was nice while it lasted.
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4773032)
but didn't i read or hear about neshek stating that he's tired?


I didn't, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, I try to avoid what I perceive as gossip columns, so I sometimes miss useful information just out of willful ignorance on my part.

It wouldn't surprise me, Neshek has been used a lot. Matheny uses his favorites a lot. One thing I do like about him, is that he isn't locked into his opinion and will reevaluate his opinion(see usage of Maness and Martinez this year at different times for examples)

When Matheny's managing career is done, he might be considered a Dusty Baker or Billy Martin level of damage to pitchers(on the relief side)
   68. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4773040)
1) There goes Doug Fister's no-hitter. But he is dealing, still 0-0 in the top 5th in our Nation's Crapital.

2) Lucroy simply must be elbow to elbow with others in the MVP discussion. I haven't looked seriously at stats for the better part of a month, but every time I watch or listen to a Brewers game he is contributing in some way. A good catcher with decent to good offense is worth a lot to his team, to say nothing about how he handles the pitching staff.

3) WHIP is one of the more useful stats for relievers since it doesn't get so distorted by their short appearances, particularly LOOGYs, the way ERA can (being normalized to 9 innings).

4) PROFIT!!
   69. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:22 PM (#4773041)
Michael Anthony Taylor is a AA (only 4 AAA games) callup who is spelling Jayson Werth while he nurses a tender shoulder/ankle/hamstring/<body part here> in RF. He burst on the scene in his first game the other day with a home run, then an RBI double, he's stolen at least 1 base (haven't checked totals today), and plays a competent RF.

Turns out he grew up right here in Fort Lauderdale and went to school at Westminster Academy which is where rich folks send their spoiled brats; for all I know I had to wait for him to cross the street in front of me while driving down NE 56th Street. To see him you'd swear he's still in high school. In a couple interviews he is very well-spoken and exhibits good poise and an easy, approachable personality answering questions fairly honestly without all the usual clichés. Either he has been very well coached or he's a rare gem.

I say let Werth take his time and get good and healed, no reason to rush back.
   70. The District Attorney Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4773042)
I say let Werth take his time and get good and healed, no reason to rush back.
I released Werth in my fantasy league right before he started hitting .400 with 10 HR in a month or whatever he did, so I thoroughly agree.

I wouldn't disagree that there's something to be learned by analyzing a pitcher by the opposing batting line, especially a reliever since, as mentioned, inherited runners make "runs allowed" weird for them.¹ But I don't know why one would look at just OBP against (which is what WHIP is), rather than a more comprehensive analysis of that info.

¹ Of course, starters also get their "runs allowed" stats affected by relievers. But it is true that it's an issue a higher percentage of the time with relievers.
   71. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4773044)
Of course, we've been saying that WHIP is good quick shorthand, not that we restrict our analysis to WHIP and nothing else.

I also think that it's a truism that the hitters will tell you how the pitcher is doing. A guy who is getting hit hard with a bunch of dinks, dunks, bloops, and walks can not be considered to be pitching well. WHIP encapsulates that, as a beginning, and invites further research.
   72. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4773047)
As a Blue Jays fan, it is slow torture to watch this season slip away.
If they had never been on top (6 game lead in the AL East on June 6th), then this slow fade to oblivion wouldn't hurt so much.
I'm worried that they'll stay about 2-4 games back of the last wild card spot all the way to the finish line, which will hurt even more.
If they ain't making the playoffs, just go full Texas Rangers and get it done.
   73. TerpNats Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4773049)
Nats going through one of their worst innings of the season, errors all over the place.
   74. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4773055)
i have yet to see mark reynolds make a poor play this season while playing third base.

no idea what the metrics say but from observation he's just fine

and at first base he's legitimately good
   75. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4773057)
@chasehughesCSN: Ian Desmond's error that inning was his 19th of the season, tying him for second-most in the majors with A's 3B Josh Donaldson.

Ian Desmond IS your 2014 NL error leader!! EXPECT IT!
   76. TerpNats Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:51 PM (#4773060)
As bad as the Nats were, the Bucs couldn't capitalize -- leaving the bases loaded after scoring only two.
   77. TerpNats Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4773063)
Desmond compensates with an RBI single, advances to 2nd when the throw from center went to home. 2nd and 3rd, two out, and here comes Harper.
   78. TerpNats Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4773065)
...who flies out to left.
   79. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4773066)
Defensive metrics for Mark Reynolds:

1B
DRS: 2/1200 INN
UZR: 10/150 G

Inside Edge
42% non-Routine plays made (avg. 31%)

3B
DRS: 19/1200 INN
UZR: 29/150 G

Inside Edge
61% non-Routine plays made (avg. 37%)
   80. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4773068)
Reynolds always seemed like he had good tools that he couldn't translate into good defense.
   81. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:59 PM (#4773070)
post 79/80

so what are you telling me? are my eyes lying to me or not?
   82. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4773076)
brewers sweep dodgers. maintain 3 game lead for another day

interesting story developing is that several times suspended jeremy jeffress has the look of being a legit reliever. throws hard as h8ll and is throwing his share of strikes.

   83. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:10 PM (#4773077)

so what are you telling me? are my eyes lying to me or not?


They are not, those are positive numbers, and most defensive stats are set up as 0 for average. His post is showing that Reynolds has been very good at third while "average" at first.
   84. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:13 PM (#4773078)
cfb

thanks. i wasn't sure
   85. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4773082)
last year the pirates bullpen was lights out. this year not so much
   86. Joey B. "disrespects the A" Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4773089)
Huge double play baby, whoop whoop!
   87. DKDC Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4773092)
Sorry, Harvey, but personally I refuse to believe Mark is even a passable fielder at third base.

Even with the Os he would make some pretty good l
   88. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:29 PM (#4773093)
dkdc

i think there may be some good coaching happening in milwaukee

khris davis came to the big club with a poor defensive rep. he's been not only average but above average.

and i could list sevearl other examples
   89. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4773095)
Sorry, Harvey, but personally I refuse to believe Mark is even a passable fielder at third base.

Even with the Os he would make some pretty good l


Fangraphs has him as a poor defender at third nearly every year of his career, this year is an aberration, but it doesn't negate the results. I think the same thing about Peralta at short, tools wise, he isn't that good, but this year he has fielded everything hit to his side of the field. It could be quality scouting, it could be luck, but the results do match what I see with my eye.(barring the last 7 or so days, where more balls have gone through the shortstop side of the diamond than any month previously)
   90. DKDC Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4773096)
Sorry, earlier post got cut off, but Reynolds made good plays on the balls he could get to, but after watching Machado for a couple of years, it's clear he wasn't getting to many balls.

He's too old to improve that much and he simply lacks the skills to become a good defensive third baseman. If the metrics say he is good, check the metrics again in a few months.

He was a decent 1B, though. His range there was not as exposed relative to his competition, and he can pick it with the best.

Just my opinion, of course.

I didn't think Jose Bautista had a luck of talent with the Os either.
   91. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4773098)
dkdc

i hear all that and clearly knew the rep. and i recall him looking like an oaf at times

but THIS season he has not been that guy.

and as for waiting there are six weeks left in the season. not much time to regress
   92. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:49 PM (#4773103)
If you thought the Nats had this game in the bag, you don't know your Rafeal Soriano.
   93. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:51 PM (#4773106)
bruce drives in hamilton reds are leading rockies 8-5
   94. Pirate Joe Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4773107)
Ian Desmond IS your 2014 NL error leader!! EXPECT IT!


Pedro Alvarez would like a word with you.

   95. Pirate Joe Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4773109)
As bad as the Nats were, the Bucs couldn't capitalize -- leaving the bases loaded after scoring only two.



This game has been a festival of bad fielding and base running. Gaby Sanchez runs through a stop sign and is easily safe because the Nats can't execute a relay play. Gregory Polanco stop at third when the third base coach is apparently waving him in and Josh Harrison gets thrown out at second because of it. And those are just the latest blunders.


   96. cardsfanboy Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4773110)
but THIS season he has not been that guy.


That is one thing, I insist on re-evaluating people on an annual basis, guys can improve in areas that they were poor at or get worse, and just assuming because that was how they were before, that they will be that way again is a little presumptive. Obviously predictive and expectations should stay in your mind, but sometimes a small change can make a difference. If Reynolds lost 10 pounds this off season it might have led to better reflexes that is helping him out at third base while not making a noticeable difference at first. (I use the same philosophy on evaluating announcers...)
   97. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:03 PM (#4773112)
cfb

interestingly reynolds still LOOKS like a softball player

but dang if he isn't making reaction plays like the best of them
   98. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4773117)
nats won't go away
   99. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4773118)
like i was saying.....
   100. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4773119)
Looks like Starling Marte might have injured his wrist diving for that catch, which was a pretty great catch by the way. But what a f@cked up/great game!

Also, Matt Williams MUST develop a quicker detection of a pitcher's lack of effectiveness in those situations. Soriano hasn't been "lights out" for a while and Matty should have pulled him well before the lead was lost. He had Thornton warming in the bullpen alongside Soriano fer chrissakes, it's not like he didn't have at least one option ready to go.

edit: Oh goody! Now they're going to extras. I can't wait to see how this unfolds.
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