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OMNICHATTER 8-28-2014

In which a OMNICHATTER occurs…

Gamingboy Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:38 AM | 123 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:34 AM (#4780684)
In which an OMNICHATTER occurs…

/grammar
   2. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:49 AM (#4780694)
Three interesting 4-game series out west start today, all with playoff implications: Nats-Mariners, A's-Angels, and Brewers-Giants. Should be fun.
Speaking of out west, can anyone tell me why west coast Saturday games start an hour earlier than normal?
   3. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4780702)
The A's do a lot of their fireworks shows on Saturdays, so the earlier start time allows for the show to still start at a reasonable time. You can also start earlier because you don't have to worry about people coming from work so much, plus it's a little more family friendly for people with young kids...that hour makes a difference.
   4. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4780710)
Nats @ Mariners for 3 games
Nats @ Dodgers for 3 games
then they fly back east.

Since the Nats seemed to play down to their competition in Philly, let's see if they can play up to the likes of King Felix and Clayton Kershaw.

Clayton? Who calls himself Clayton?? Why not Clay? Or does he not want to be confused with that Clay up in Boston???
   5. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4780716)
Now would be a good time for the Nats to go on a 9 game losing streak.
   6. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4780726)
Stick around!
   7. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4780787)
Nats @ Mariners for 3 games


oh yeah, my mistake, only the A's-Angels is four games.
Think I was just hoping for more late night baseball.
   8. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4780847)
Edit: nvrmnd
   9. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4780882)
It's the 100th anniversary of the Boston Miracle Braves. Just sayin'.
   10. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4780891)
Thursday: OAK: Gray (13-7, 3.00 ERA) , LAA: Wilson (10-8, 4.45 ERA)
Friday: OAK: Lester (13-8, 2.53 ERA) , LAA: Weaver (14-7, 3.72 ERA)
Saturday: OAK: Kazmir (14-6, 3.08 ERA) , LAA: TBD
Sunday: OAK: Samardzija (4-3, 3.86 ERA) , LAA: Shoemaker (13-4, 3.33 ERA)

Still no word on who's going to start Saturday. My guess is Randy Wolf, but it could be any random dude from AAA, unless there's a deal between now and tomorrow. Either way, I'm marking Saturday down as an A's win, so the other three games are kind of a big deal.
   11. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4780896)
Solar with another hit, a crisp double. IT'S GETTING HOT UP IN HERE.
   12. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4780905)
Ugly start for the arrietta and the cubs
   13. Spahn Insane Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4780920)
Rizzo out of the lineup again. MLB.com sez "Rizzo said his back bothers him when he extends it, which is what he does on his swings."

Well, as long as it only hurts when he swings...
   14. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4780940)
Reds have five stolen bases against the Cubs today and they're only in the 4th inning...
   15. Willie Mayspedester Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4781102)
I will be at my first game this year (living in Santa Barbara doesn't help going to live games). 6PM start fireworks night, hope the A's have some fireworks of their own against this weak sounding TBD guy.
   16. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4781121)
@DOBrienAJC: Braves Jonny Venters tore his elbow ligament again. Will have to decide whether to have a third Tommy John surgery if wants to pitch again.

Man, that's rough! I can't imagine there's much left to work with after 2 T.J. surgeries. But I am not a doctor, either in real life or on TV.
   17. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 28, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4781131)
Dr. Andrews will have to go to increasingly creepy and unethical places to find replacement ligaments for Venters. It'll be like a Stephen King novel.
   18. mcauliffe Posted: August 28, 2014 at 06:24 PM (#4781165)
"Step right in, Mr. Koufax. Dr. Andrews will be right out with your free prize"
   19. Davo Dozier Posted: August 28, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4781170)
Reds have five stolen bases against the Cubs today and they're only in the 4th inning..

Todd Frazier up to 22 homers and 19 steals on the year.

Our chances of someone putting up a 30-30 season this year have improved from "very very slim" to "very slim".
   20. God Posted: August 28, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4781175)
Joc Pederson has already put up a 30/30 season in the minors, the first one in the PCL in 80 years.
   21. God Posted: August 28, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4781181)
The complete list of 30/30 players in PCL history:

Lefty O'Doul
Tony Lazzeri
Frank Demaree
Joc Pederson

(The first three all did it in seasons in which they played 185 or more games.)
   22. Davo Dozier Posted: August 28, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4781219)
By bWAR, 2 of the 5 best players in the National League are outfielders slugging under .400.
   23. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:30 PM (#4781234)
The Rays tried their darnedest to give the Orioles free outs and runs in the bottom of the 3rd, but they just wouldn't take them. Still tied 2-2 in Charm City.
   24. DKDC Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4781243)
At this point I'd trade Dylan Bundy for a clean 1st inning out of a starter or a hit with RISP.

Edit: and just when I was going to give Norris props for recovering from a crappy first inning, he coughs up the lead.
   25. Snowboy Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4781249)
During a coach visit to the mound for the Orioles, the speakers at Camden Yards blare "Pulling Mussels from a Shell" by Squeeze.

Huh? Is there some sort of local story behind this? The song came out in 1980 (and obviously I know it and like it, and I am still hanging on fiercely enough to my youth to not say "back in 1980") but did it even make the charts in the US? Squeeze was a UK new wave band.
   26. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:15 PM (#4781255)
A number of Squeeze songs find radio play in the homogenized U.S. broadcast market and have for a number of years, even "back in the day".

The Rays are putting on need to visit a defensive clinic.
   27. DKDC Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:16 PM (#4781256)
The Orioles would have easily been swept if the Rays could play competent defense. Now we got a ball game.
   28. bigglou115 Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4781264)
@22, doesn't seem like Heyward will finish the year under .400 SLG. He's right around .390 and he's been on a but of a power spike for the last few weeks. Also 22!
   29. puck Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4781271)
Yusmeiro Petit set the record for most batters retired in a row--46.
   30. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4781277)
I can't tell if the Orioles are hittin 'em where they aint, or they ain't bothering to position themselves where the Orioles are likely to hit 'em. Every time I tuned back to this Orioles game somebody is hitting a bloop into medium RF and Kiermaier is running his butt off and coming up juuuuuuust short of catching it.
   31. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:21 PM (#4781286)
And immediately after setting the record, he gave up a double - to the opposing pitcher. Baseball.
   32. Snowboy Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM (#4781302)
Jonny Gomes in LF wears his sunglasses at night, and cannot throw out Josh Hamilton running from second.
1-0 Angels.
And then an advance on a passed ball.
And then an advance on a wild pitch.
Sonny better buckle it down, A's defense is like the crowd: late arriving.
   33. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4781305)
Gordon Beckham's bat has made some significant contributions. 3-0 Angels, early.
   34. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4781316)
Gray has not been sharp.

Edit - although that 4th was pretty quick thanks to a nice play by Parrino that turned 2.
   35. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:41 PM (#4781320)
Wow..Calhoun really misplayed that.
   36. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4781322)
Whoever that fan at the Big A who is CONSTANTLY shouting needs to die a quick, but horrible, death.
   37. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM (#4781323)
Coco battles Wilson for a base hit, scoring Soto...back in it at 3-2.
   38. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:00 AM (#4781329)
Donaldson ties the game. I suddenly feel very queasy in the tummy.
   39. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:00 AM (#4781330)
And it's tied. Your 2014 MVP Josh Donaldson!
   40. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4781332)
I felt that way the first 4 innings...
   41. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:02 AM (#4781333)
And it's tied. Your 2014 MVP Josh Donaldson!

Boy, he hit that a ton, too.
   42. jobu Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:10 AM (#4781336)
Gotta love your 2014 AL MVP's huge timing step before he crushed it.
   43. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4781339)
Time now for my favorite Athletic to step up...
   44. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:18 AM (#4781341)
Crap. Oh well..will take the tie.
   45. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:19 AM (#4781342)
Gotta love your 2014 AL MVP's huge timing step before he crushed it.

He always does that, I think. Nice contrast to Crisp, who sometimes hits the ball hard with no stride at all.
   46. jobu Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:33 AM (#4781344)
He always does that, I think.


Yep. Does not make it any less a thing of beauty.
   47. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:47 AM (#4781351)
Beach ball on the field, because Anaheim.
   48. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 29, 2014 at 12:50 AM (#4781352)
Don't know that I've seen a catcher wave like Soto just did before the 0-2 pitcher to Calhoun. That wasn't quite Crash Davis telling the batter what was coming (fastball inside) but it was close enough.
   49. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4781358)
And I don't think I've seen a catcher manicure the dirt around the plate like Soto either.
   50. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:20 AM (#4781364)
That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Aybar runs way inside the line intentionally crashing into the fielders and gets the obstruction call. What a joke.
   51. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:22 AM (#4781365)
Some bullshitn going down in Anaheim.

Edit: coke >dan
   52. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:23 AM (#4781366)
How can that be the right call? Isn't the fielder allowed to be in the basepath once he has fielded the ball?
   53. Rob_Wood Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4781367)
If there is a contest for worst call of the year, that will be a serious candidate!
   54. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4781368)
I guess they could have called obstruction on the other guy? The one who did not field it?
   55. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4781369)
Yes, the fielder is allowed to go into the base path in the process of fielding the ball. But in that case, he wasn't even IN the base path, as Aybar LEFT the base path to crash into him. That call was wrong in multiple ways.
   56. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:25 AM (#4781370)
If the call is that Otero interfered, then it's a terrible call. And boy, they really botched that bunt play. Moss and Otero can't get out of each other's way this inning.
   57. PeteF3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:25 AM (#4781371)
Sorry, that one is on Oakland. Otero and Moss need to communicate better.

And now they botch a bunt!
   58. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:25 AM (#4781372)
Nice move by the Angels. Keep bunting them up the first base line while the A's are gun-shy fielding there, unsure of what the umps will call next.
   59. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:26 AM (#4781373)
The announcers just said the call was interference on Otero.
   60. PeteF3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:27 AM (#4781374)
Aybar wouldn't have bumped Otero if h Otero hadn't collided with Moss. Aybar was doing his job trying to avoid contact and the A's couldn't get out of their own way.
   61. DKDC Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:28 AM (#4781376)
Is there any cost to playing a game under protest? What's to stop a team from finding a pretext to play every single game under protest, just in case they find Torre's soft spot?
   62. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:28 AM (#4781377)
Aybar also wouldn't have bumped into Otero if Aybar was actually running in the base line. And even though he did run into him, it shouldn't matter, as a player catching the ball cannot obstruct a runner by definition.
   63. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4781378)
Aybar was doing his job trying to avoid contact and the A's couldn't get out of their own way.
I'm not sure either of those are relevant to the rule (don't know though)?
   64. theboyqueen Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4781379)
Aybar wouldn't have bumped Otero if h Otero hadn't collided with Moss. Aybar was doing his job trying to avoid contact and the A's couldn't get out of their own way.


Right, he ran into the guy with the ball and got tagged. That's not interference.
   65. DKDC Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4781380)
Well, I didn't really have a horse in this race, but Abad the MannyKneeHunter is on, so GO ANGELS!
   66. PeteF3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4781381)
If Aybar had stayed in the line he'd have been called for interference. There is no way in hell this protest holds up, BTW.
   67. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:30 AM (#4781382)
This is also a failure of the replay rule. Silly they couldn't check that.
   68. DKDC Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:31 AM (#4781383)
I just saw the replay for the first time (I turned it on after seeing the hullabaloo on this thread), and I think it was definitely the right call. Aybar had no where to go.
   69. theboyqueen Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:31 AM (#4781384)
Neither Moss nor Otero were in the baseline where Aybar is supposed to be running. Aybar went for the hoodwink (his only shot), and got it.
   70. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:34 AM (#4781385)
Aybar had no where to go.
Is "having somewhere to go" part of the rule? What if the throw had come in much earlier, and the players were standing there in the base line, and Aybar ran into the one holding the ball. Surely he would be out then. Is the rule any different just because the two steps happens more quickly?
   71. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:34 AM (#4781386)
Not sure about that Pete.Moss and Otero were both to the inside of the runners box. Aybar could have run to the outside and not interfered. That said, I think you are right and the protest will fail.
   72. PeteF3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:34 AM (#4781388)
The baseline is established by the runner. Aybar was trying to avoid interference, not avoid a tag.
   73. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:35 AM (#4781390)
Nice job by Abad.
   74. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:35 AM (#4781391)
Aybar was trying to DRAW an interference/obstruction call. He wasn't trying to avoid anything.

And it worked, because the umpires are idiots.
   75. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:35 AM (#4781392)
The protest will definitely fail. I'd give 99 to 1 odds.
   76. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:35 AM (#4781393)
I'm not sure Aybar's intent even matters.
   77. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:36 AM (#4781394)
The baseline is established by the runner. Aybar was trying to avoid interference, not avoid a tag.

He ran into the guy with the ball, didn't he? Generally speaking that would be an out.
   78. PeteF3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:37 AM (#4781395)
It doesn't matter. But Aybar had every right to be where he was.
   79. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:37 AM (#4781396)
Wow..lucky to escape that jam.
   80. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:37 AM (#4781397)
Well, the umps dodged a bullet on that one.
   81. DKDC Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:38 AM (#4781398)
The baseline is established by the runner. Aybar was trying to avoid interference, not avoid a tag.


This is the key point. The runner's box only relevance to the rules is for runner's interference, which can only be called if his body blocks the throw to first.

Aside from that, it's the fielder's duty to get out of the way of the runner, even if they are trying to field the ball.

Obviously if the fielder had the ball, he can tag the runner, but I don't think anyone is arguing that a tag was attempted, are they?

But it's all moot.
   82. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:38 AM (#4781399)
It doesn't matter. But Aybar had every right to be where he was.


There is a lane for the runner approaching first base. It is not inside the base line on the grass. If a throw had hit Aybar running where he was, he would've been out for running outside of the baseline.
   83. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:38 AM (#4781400)
Aybar had every right to be where he was.
I have no problem with that. He just got tagged out.
   84. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4781401)
I'd totally agree if Aybar had run into Moss.
   85. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4781402)
It doesn't matter. But Aybar had every right to be where he was.

Does not compute. If you run into the guy with the ball, and he doesn't drop it, then you're out.

Guess I should've been listening to Ray Fosse on this.

ETA: Donaldson looked like he was trying to avoid an interception by the baserunner there.
   86. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4781403)
Aside from that, it's the fielder's duty to get out of the way of the runner, even if they are trying to field the ball.


This is in fact 180 degrees opposite of the actual rule:

Official Baseball Rule 2.00 defines obstruction as:

The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
   87. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:40 AM (#4781404)
the fielder's duty to get out of the way of the runner, even if they are trying to field the ball.
The one who collided with the runner already had the ball. He was no longer fielding it. At that point he has no duty to avoid contact.
   88. PeteF3 Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:40 AM (#4781405)
There is no obligation for the runner to stay in the baseline. Avoiding interference trumps staying inside the line.
   89. Rob_Wood Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4781406)
DKDC, do you know anything about baseball rules? Is this the first game you have ever watched? You are wrong on everything you have posted. Please go away.
   90. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:43 AM (#4781408)
Huh, Mr. Palindrome is having a nice season.
   91. DKDC Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:45 AM (#4781409)
This is in fact 180 degrees opposite of the actual rule:


Yep, I got that wrong, it must have been called on the other fielder. But the runner's lane is completely irrelevant to the obstruction call.
   92. AuntBea Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:47 AM (#4781410)
Didn't Otero actually field the ball? If so, I don't see any rationale for him being called for obstruction. I guess one could argue that Moss, because he never actually ended up with the ball, was never "fielding" it, and thus his presence in the path of the hitter caused him to change course and was thus obstruction. That would still be a bad call.
   93. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:49 AM (#4781412)
They did call it against Otero according to the A's broadcasters. I'm not so sure if it would have been a bad call had they called it on Moss...
   94. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:50 AM (#4781413)
Obviously if the fielder had the ball, he can tag the runner, but I don't think anyone is arguing that a tag was attempted, are they?
I know appeals to authority are generally frowned upon, but the guy called for interference did actually tag him. So yeah that would suggest a tag was attempted.
   95. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:50 AM (#4781414)
OH, ALBERT. Great base running. Now's the time to pinch-run for Pujols.
   96. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:51 AM (#4781415)
As I said last night, Callaspo is a damned statue at 2nd.
   97. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:54 AM (#4781416)
YES! That's one.
   98. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:56 AM (#4781417)
What a stupid ####### game.
   99. Dan Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:56 AM (#4781418)
Highly unlikely they actually will uphold the protest, but they really ought to, as that was a textbook case of misapplication of a rule.
   100. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: August 29, 2014 at 01:57 AM (#4781419)
I think they'll split the series and be right where they were when it started.
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