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OMNICHATTER 8-3-2014

SUNDAY OMNICHATTER.

ESPN GAME OF WEEK: Yankees vs. Red Sox. Shocker.

Gamingboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 12:17 AM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 03, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4763358)
One thing that a Met fan has been able to enjoy for the most part for the last dozen years or so is good centerfield play. Mike Cameron, Carlon Beltran, Endy Chavez, and Angel Pagan could all really play centerfield well.

Juan Lagares just might be the best defensive centerfielder the Mets have employed in recent years. I haven't watched as much as a used to but he seems like he catches everything.
   2. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4763421)
Jake Odorizzi had, shall we say, a not very good first inning.
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4763426)
For as much as the Cardinal announcers like Aramis, they equally (or more) dislike Carlos Gomez. Bagging on him swinging from the heels as a leadoff hitter, lower obp than Carpenter, 100+ strikeouts as a lead off hitter, yes he leads all leadoff hitters in rbi and has 15 homeruns, but not displaying the skills that the Cardinal announcers think a leadoff hitter should be showing.

It's always funny listening to who they have decided to be the heel on each team (rules seem to be 1. can't be white 2. must have a moderate reputation as attitude problem 3. must do something 'un-Cardinal' like in their minds)
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4763431)
Brewers start off the game again with a 1-0 lead.. And of course it was Aramis doing half the damage.

Wow, Weeks is big(not in a complementary way, in a Prince Fielder way...not super fat, but it's hard to believe someone of that shape could play second base)
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4763445)
Mark Reynolds has a little bit of pop, with his 19th homerun to put the bad guys up 2-0. :( Garza has a no hitter after one inning.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4763447)
Garza gets his first hit....he hits Matt Adams.
   7. boteman Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4763450)
Replay in Washington, Nats radio guys saying a particular angle on the DiamondVision clearly shows the runner out as the crowd cheers, but the umpires are still on the line for a few minutes with Replay HQ in NYC.

Can the crew chief on the field see the big board and declare a ruling or must it lie in the hands of NYC even if they are taking their sweet time and everybody else already knows the answer?

Ruling: SAFE! Millions pissed. What do we know??
   8. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4763452)
This replay system is the biggest f*cking joke in the world. I'm starting to think they're making these horrible review calls on purpose to justify scrapping the whole system.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4763458)

Can the crew chief on the field see the big board and declare a ruling or must it lie in the hands of NYC even if they are taking their sweet time and everybody else already knows the answer?


Nope. It's 100% out of the umpires hands once a challenge is made.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4763462)
This replay system is the biggest f*cking joke in the world. I'm starting to think they're making these horrible review calls on purpose to justify scrapping the whole system.


I probably agree with you there, the challenge system was already a stupid way to do it, the insistence that it has to be 100% clear to make an over rule is being taken a little too literal by the reviewers in my opinion, that on nearly a weekly basis there are a couple of replays in which they more than likely messed up.

I'm a proponent of the replay system, but would have preferred a gradual integration to work out the bugs. (basically automatic review done without the umpires waiting on the reviews, on safe or out calls only.) If they can't get a good enough angle to overturn a call in the 30 seconds it takes to throw the next pitch, then move on.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4763463)
Garza with a no-hitter through three innings. Sure it's the Cardinals and that is like no-hitting the Padres, but still it's Garza, and that is like being no-hit by Jason Marquis.
   12. boteman Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4763471)
I enjoyed din-din at Buffalo Wild Wings last night which featured a bunch of baseball games on many screens large and small. I counted not 1, not 2, but 3 separate plays where a fielder dove for a ball that was at least a few feet from his glove. I mean they had no chance in he|| of catching them, in one case it was comical as the CF was lying on his belly while the ball bounced a good 10 feet beyond his outstretched glove. Something about yesterday being just a weird baseball day, so there were probably more such jokes to be seen.
   13. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4763475)
Sizemore with the completely unnecessary slide trying to get himself a cheeseball web gem.
   14. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4763480)
#12, one of those might have been Juan Lagares who was doing so in a futile attempt to preserve a no-hitter.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:49 PM (#4763492)
Another was probably Taveras who missed the ball by a good amount and allowed it to become a fan interference triple.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4763497)
The Cardinals versus the Brewers this year..
9-7
4-7
2-11
10-2
7-6
9-3
4-5
3-5
1-5
6-1
4-0

Makes me think that there is a pretty good chance that this game is not going to end up 2-0..
   17. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4763498)
Tony Two Bags drives in a big insurance run!
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4763507)
Holliday continuing his normal second half surge as he cuts the Brewers lead in half(2-1) with a homerun.
   19. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4763508)
"See ya 'slugger', go take a ride."

Baaaaaang, zoooooom, another Curly W in the books!
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4763509)
Wow...Gomez plays a REALLY deep centerfield... Ball up the middle and anyone else other than Adams on first and it would have been first and third(Adams probably would have made it also, but didn't chance it) And Adams hit was what would have been a routine fly ball for most centerfielders.

Obviously Gomez is a great fielder, and turns a lot of doubles into outs, but I'm just not used to seeing someone play that deep.


Cardinals tie it up witha Pierzynski base hit.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4763510)
Nice, Taveras gives the Cardinals a lead as the Brewers bullpen is falling apart, now let's hope the Cardinals bullpen shows up.
   22. DKDC Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4763511)
I have recently wondered what would happen if an umpire ignored the ruling from NY.

I mean, the umpire would eventually be suspended/fired, along with any of the other umpires that had the earphones on, but it might take a little time before anyone in the league office could intervene and stop the game.

I do think the rulings are announced in the press box at the same time, so how long would it take for word to get down to the dugout of the team that was screwed? I assume at that point, the manager would pull his guys off the team and protest until the ruling was corrected.

Also, would any plays that happened between the incorrect ruling and the correction just be ignored and replayed?

   23. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4763512)
Frustrating....pinch hitter Descalso. I don't hate Descalso as much as other Cardinal fans, simply because he is what he is, but when he becomes the first choice to pinch hit, that is a troubling sign. Much rather have had Robinson pinch hitting there.
   24. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4763513)
Jordy Mercer with the single worst strikeout I've seen all year, waving weakly at a slider about a foot and a half outside and low on 0-2.

Scott Kazmir's leg kick is beautiful.
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4763514)
I do think the rulings are announced in the press box at the same time, so how long would it take for word to get down to the dugout of the team that was screwed? I assume at that point, the manager would pull his guys off the team and protest until the ruling was corrected.


You would still have to play the game, if you pull your players off for a protest, it would be a forfeit. You play the game under protest(although from what I understand, it doesn't really matter if you are playing under protest, you have something like 24 hours to file a formal protest with the league after the game ends)

Surprisingly, the league(in my opinion) have historically done a good job with handling protests(with the Pine tar being the most obvious example)

Also, would any plays that happened between the incorrect ruling and the correction just be ignored and replayed?


Assuming that the ruling is in favor of a change, I imagine that the rest of the game will have to be played from that point on (again, pine tar incident as an example)
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4763516)
Damn fox sports midwest trying to jinx the Cardinals...Cardinals are 1-33 when trailing after 6 innings this year(currently leading this game 3-2 but was trailing 2-0 after six)
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4763518)
As a Brewer, Aramis owns the Cardinals. over 33 games as a Brewer against the Cardinals .385/.438/.672/1.110 over 137 pa, 9 Hr, 33 rbi.

Wasn't bad as a Cub either...111 games, .321/.389/.550/.940...22hr, 83 rbi
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4763520)
Dammit, Gregory Polanco had second base stolen by 15 feet and overslid the bag. Don't they teach that #### in Little League anymore?
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4763522)
This is the first time in a while that I have seen over slides happen more than once. Bourjos did it a couple of times this year, Wong at least once, and a couple of the opposition did it against the Cardinals. I just can't remember that happening this often prior to this season...must be treating the dirt with WD-40 or something.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4763527)
Not much of an accomplishment, but Rosenthal just struck out Reynolds.... Was there any other likely outcome to that at bat?
   31. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 03, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4763530)
Ho hum, another day, another great start by an Oriole, and another lockdown followup by their bullpen. Pinch me and tell me I'm dreaming.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4763531)
Hadn't looked at the schedule....another fcking off day tomorrow? Man I hate the schedule makers this year.
   33. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4763532)
Francisco Liriano is way off and it's very obvious--he's turning his whole body toward third base as he delivers and throwing almost against his body. I certainly hope Russell Martin or someone on the coaching staff will be kind enough to point it out to him.
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 05:07 PM (#4763533)
Rosenthal strikes out the side to finish off the game(although I really hate saying strikes out the side, when he also put two men on base, just seems a little dishonest)
   35. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4763540)
Everth Cabrera gets a sac fly, Padres now leading the rednecks 2-0 after four.
   36. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4763543)
What the #### is wrong with Jordy Mercer? He got Ike Davis gunned down on a hit-and-run with yet another halfhearted semi-swing.

Maybe he's hurt, but frankly he looks stoned out of his mind.
   37. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4763545)
Pedro Alvarez pinch hits in a tight situation, and Trevor Cahill throws him five breaking balls and strikes him out.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb and speculate that the book on Pedro Alvarez may have gotten around the league by now.
   38. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4763550)
Aaaaaaand the 2014 Pirates' playoff hopes just died.

What the hell, Polancothird base coach? The play at home was sort of close, but only because Trumbo took his time setting his feet and making a good solid throw.

Polanco needs to retake Sliding 101 and pay better attention in class. Until he completes it, the Pirates' base coaches would be well advised to be conservative about sending him. Speed does not equal baserunning skills.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4763556)
After his first week, I thought Polanco was going to challenge Hamilton for rookie of the year, reality set in, and it looks like Wong is second favorite among position players still.
   40. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 07:14 PM (#4763564)
Tommy Medica homers, the Padres retake the lead 3-2 over the Rednecks in the eighth.
   41. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4763572)
LOL, obvious intentional interference on the #####-slap breaking up the double play is obvious.
   42. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4763595)
Oooooooooh, Everth Cabrera walks them off in the 10th. That's now six losses in a row for those Rednecks as they get swept for the second consecutive series.

That puts the Nationals up 3.5 overall and 5 in the loss column, both season highs I believe. I think I'm going to have to post an article on this one!
   43. Spahn Insane Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:37 PM (#4763600)
You shouldn't mock rednecks, Joey. Without them, your political party of choice would quickly go the way of the dodo.
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4763623)
(too bad we don't have a like button on here or else post 43 would have gotten one)
   45. puck Posted: August 03, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4763624)
If it's not really 310 down the line to the monster, google's in on it.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 03, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4763630)
Buchholz on a very long leash tonight, giving up 7 runs to let Yankees back in the game. 7-7 in 5th.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4763631)
Buchholz on a very long leash tonight, giving up 7 runs to let Yankees back in the game. 7-7 in 5th.


Drawback of the modern bullpen is that the starting pitcher is expected to go 5+ innings no matter what.
   48. DKDC Posted: August 03, 2014 at 10:34 PM (#4763634)
2.5 hrs in and it's the bottom of the fifth. I can't believe anyone would voluntarily watch this game.

I guess I'd prefer the Red Sox to win, but it's not like either one of these awful teams are a threat.

I'll find out in the morning.
   49. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: August 03, 2014 at 10:47 PM (#4763638)
48. Ha ha, wow, really? The Yankees "awful?" Two months left, pally. I wouldn't call a team with Robertson, Betances, and Gardner "awful."
   50. Dan Posted: August 03, 2014 at 10:52 PM (#4763640)
Buchholz on a very long leash tonight, giving up 7 runs to let Yankees back in the game. 7-7 in 5th.


God forbid we pull the starter before we give him 5 innings so he can get a Win. That is, after all, the goal, not the team winning the game. Right?

At lease John Farrell seems to believe this.
   51. TerpNats Posted: August 03, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4763652)
We can all hope that the final weekend series Sept. 26-28 will have no postseason ramifications whatsoever, as both the Yanks and Bosox miss the playoffs for the first time since the wild-card format began play in 1995. Screw you, ESPN, Fox and TBS.
   52. Spahn Insane Posted: August 03, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4763653)
(too bad we don't have a like button on here or else post 43 would have gotten one)

*doffs cap*
   53. Perry Posted: August 03, 2014 at 11:50 PM (#4763658)
Half watching the Red Sox game while doing other stuff, just saw a guy wearing #26 batting. Wait a minute - wasn't that Boggs's number? And it's not retired? Wow, high bar.

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