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Monday, April 14, 2014

OMNICHATTER for April 14, 2014

Woah, almost forgot. Sorry, folks.

Gamingboy Posted: April 14, 2014 at 04:15 PM | 149 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 15, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4686663)
Good they they shut him down two years ago, or Strasburg would really suck now.
   102. Guts Posted: April 15, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4686664)
Mark Ellis has 2 ABs as a Cardinal, is 0-2, and has 2 RBI.
   103. Guts Posted: April 15, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4686677)
I have seen a lot of long home runs hit in Miller Park. Holliday just hit a loooooooooooooooong home run.
   104. Willie Mayspedes Posted: April 15, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4686681)
Angels corner outfield defense has looked bad this series. Their corner of play super deep.
   105. Willie Mayspedes Posted: April 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4686682)
If they are taking showing up the umpire into account during replay somebody should get fired.
   106. Snowboy Posted: April 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4686683)
Jays@Twins, 34 degrees at game time, dropping as the sun sets.
Lots of toques/hoodies/gloves being worn, impacting play.
(but no precip? 4 MLB games postponed tonight due WXX, and many more minor league games)
Colby Rasmus given the night off, looked to tweak a hammy in BAL, leads to Bautista starting in CF, which yields run for MIN.
Adam Lind at DH removed for PH after 2AB, reported as lower back problem, could have been groin.
Brandon Morrow struggles with command on the mound, removed during 4th inning.
Phil Hughes does the same for MIN, lasts longer but gives up 5 runs in one inning before being removed.
Chris Colabello seems unaffected, bangs one off the wall and takes the AL lead in RBI.
5-2 Jays thru 7, everyone wearing #42 on all teams. I guess that's a thing now.
   107. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 15, 2014 at 11:11 PM (#4686688)
In attendance at the Rockies/Padres game in San Diego: Mitt Romney.
   108. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 15, 2014 at 11:13 PM (#4686689)
He is not the Jesse Chavez you think you know anymore.

The Jesse Chavez I know is the Pirates' least reliable reliever. That was five or six years ago and I haven't heard from him since, so he could have reinvented himself any number of times.
   109. cardsfanboy Posted: April 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM (#4686690)
When you look at the scoreboard and see the Marlins have a bunch of runs early; you almost know that Stanton has done something. It was the same way with Bonds. I wonder if there is a way to calculate what percentage of a team's offense is represented by one player.


A few years ago people were trying to argue for RBI+Runs-HR and compare it to team runs to get a percentage of plays they are involved in. (The point was to show that Jeter was responsible for 20% of the Yankees World Series runs----nevermind that it doesn't actually remotely mean that), but in that case Stanton has 21 RBI, 12 Runs and 5 homeruns, the Marlins have scored 73 runs this year...meaning by this one system that Stanton has been involved in 38% of the offense.

   110. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 15, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4686696)
Angels corner outfield defense has looked bad this series. Their corner of play super deep.
Neither Calhoun nor Shuck are particularly awesome defenders, and why Angel fans were generally so unhappy with the Bourjos-Freese trade. Outfield defense went from a big plus to a quiet meh.
   111. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:07 AM (#4686701)
A GREAT heads-up play by Pujols to cut the throw from the outfield and nail the runner making the turn at first. A second out with a two-run lead is a HUGE deal...

... and then a wild pitch gets way away from Iannetta and the run scores anyways. Damn.
   112. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:12 AM (#4686702)
I'm here to testify that I paid a somewhat discounted price for a really good seat behind home plate at the Marlins Indoor Soccer Stadium/Baseball Park to watch Strasburg pitch a Major League Baseball game. Imagine my disappointment when I watched the Marlins engage a Little League team. It was embarrassing. I lost count of how many errors and outright boneheaded fielding plays the Nats committed, and it wasn't primarily the backups and AAA callups, either. What an utter waste of time and money that Nationals game was.

On the bright side, Maguire's Hill 16 pub still knows how to pour a good draught of Guiness stout to soothe the aching baseball soul.

   113. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4686704)
Oakland swapping out a righty to face Trout. Trout's better against righties than lefties by a not-insignificant margin.

EDIT: Trout strikes out, but still.
   114. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:35 AM (#4686708)
Angel bullpen.
   115. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:35 AM (#4686709)
Norris is a beast.
   116. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:37 AM (#4686710)
It's not Norris. EVERYONE hits the Angel bullpen.
   117. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4686716)
Ian Stewart is pinch hitting?

...why?
   118. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:08 AM (#4686718)
If Ian Stewart is the best bat on the bench, I'm pretty sure you're better off sticking with Iannetta. I'm usually a fan of aggressive pinch hitting in situations like that, but geeze, Ian Stewart???
   119. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:10 AM (#4686719)
Because the Angels have no bench to go along with their no bullpen.

Coming into today, the bullpen has given up a .473 slugging percentage (league average is .376), and 9 homers, 4 more than the 2nd most. After today, that slugging percentage is going to be higher.
   120. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:23 AM (#4686720)
Well, Trout gets to bat as the tying run in the 9th.
   121. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4686721)
MIKE TROUT! GTFO!
   122. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4686722)
Goodbye, ball.
   123. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:25 AM (#4686723)
So many 9th inning blown saves this season.
   124. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4686730)
C'mon, man. Hold the game for just one damn inning for once.
   125. Willie Mayspedes Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:47 AM (#4686732)
Gubiza stop wishcasting in between 30 seconds of silence. Watch some vin scully or something.

EDIT to get some ideas
   126. Willie Mayspedes Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:50 AM (#4686733)
Barton needs to be dfa'd. This is the angels chance with Johnson although he's been better of late.
   127. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:58 AM (#4686735)
Sigh. ####### dammit.

I whine a lot about the Angel bullpen, but... look at these ####### guys. Look what they do.
   128. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:13 AM (#4686737)
Calhoun twists his ankle, and needs help coming off the field. With Hamilton already out, the Angels are in deep, deep, deep trouble.
   129. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:15 AM (#4686738)
Trout flashing his speed beating out a chopper.

Pujols up with tying run on 1B. Will Trout steal 2B?
   130. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:17 AM (#4686739)
Yes he will.
   131. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:18 AM (#4686741)
Replay overturns another too close to really tell call at first base in SF.
   132. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:19 AM (#4686742)
Pujols isn't going to get anything to hit; they're going to set up the DP.

EDIT: And now it's intentional.
   133. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:19 AM (#4686743)
Intentionally putting the winning run on base? That's silly.
   134. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:21 AM (#4686744)
Jansen has basically turned into what League was last year. Perhaps they should give him a week off to work on his mechanics or something because this is just embarrassing.
   135. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:22 AM (#4686745)
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck. Angels lose this game — another bullpen disaster — and they're going to lose Calhoun for at least a few games. What a dismal last two games. The last two Aprils have been unmitigated disasters for the Angels, out of the race before May 1st. They're teetering on the brink of doing exactly the same thing for the third year in a row.
   136. Willie Mayspedes Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:23 AM (#4686746)
Too bad about calhoun he looks good. Good win for the A's though.
   137. Willie Mayspedes Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:25 AM (#4686747)
That was the first big hit I can remember from trout against the A's. Johnson might be closer in a week or so. 2 wins in 2 days for him I think.
   138. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:26 AM (#4686748)
5 man infield with 2 lefty throwers on the right side. Interesting setup.
   139. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:31 AM (#4686749)
So Ethier is playing "left field", but he's positioned in the normal first base position. Would a ground ball to him and thrown home for a force out be ruled a 7-2 put out? And if it was a DP, a 7-2-7 DP?
   140. Dan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:35 AM (#4686750)
I can't believe the Dodgers got out of that. Wow. Fun game for an impartial fan.
   141. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 16, 2014 at 08:48 AM (#4686772)
I admit, I log in early every morning to see how badly the Angels ###### with El Hombre's heart in the late games.
   142. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4686774)
So Ethier is playing "left field", but he's positioned in the normal first base position. Would a ground ball to him and thrown home for a force out be ruled a 7-2 put out? And if it was a DP, a 7-2-7 DP?


Yes. It's in the rule book somewhere but if a player shifts his position remains the same for scoring purposes. It's the same concept that a ground out into the shift with the 3rd baseman in the shotgun is scored 5-3 even though the third baseman is in shallow right.
   143. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 16, 2014 at 08:57 AM (#4686775)
Yes. It's in the rule book somewhere but if a player shifts his position remains the same for scoring purposes. It's the same concept that a ground out into the shift with the 3rd baseman in the shotgun is scored 5-3 even though the third baseman is in shallow right.


That should be changed. Obviously, if the ball is hit to the 3 zone and the 7 picks it up, it's still an out in the 3 zone.
   144. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4686776)
Here you go Dan, it's a comment within rule 10.03(a);

(a) In compiling the official score report, the official scorer shall list each player’s name and fielding position, or positions, in the order in which the player batted, or would have batted if the game ended before the player came to bat.
Rule 10.03(a) Comment: When a player does not exchange positions with another fielder but is merely placed in a different spot for a particular batter (for example, if a second baseman goes to the outfield to form a four-man outfield, or if a third baseman moves to a position between the shortstop and second baseman), the official scorer should not list this as a new position.
   145. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4686777)
That should be changed. Obviously, if the ball is hit to the 3 zone and the 7 picks it up, it's still an out in the 3 zone.


It depends what you are trying to record. Are you trying to record where the ball was hit or who it was hit to. I think the system as is works pretty well. I keep score at every game I go to and when I make a note I note where the ball went and then what the play. So in the situation Dan laid out above I would have "G3, 7-2" and that would tell me that a grounder to first resulted in the left fielder throwing home which would give me a pretty good description of the play.
   146. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 16, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4686782)
It depends what you are trying to record. Are you trying to record where the ball was hit or who it was hit to. I think the system as is works pretty well. I keep score at every game I go to and when I make a note I note where the ball went and then what the play. So in the situation Dan laid out above I would have "G3, 7-2" and that would tell me that a grounder to first resulted in the left fielder throwing home which would give me a pretty good description of the play.


Your method is better than standard scoring that wouldn't include the "G3" portion, but the problem still remains. The idea behind fielder numbers is that the fielder number represents the zone of the field they are defending. It works for traditional defensive alignments, because the "left fielder" is going to be at least reasonably close to "left field" on all of the plays. It therefore makes sense to say a play he made was an out "to the left fielder." But if Justin Upton starts the game in LF, but is shifted to short-right rover when Ryan Howard is up, and Howard hits a little looper that Upton catches in no man's land behind Freeman but in front of Heyward, that's not a fly out to the left fielder. It's a fly out to RF that the guy that started the game in LF happened to make. At that point, it's just as rational to identify the PLAYER by his position in the lineup - it's no more arbitrary than identifying him as "defender 7" if he's playing defensive position 3/9.
   147. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4686792)
In that case you'd be recording different players with the same identifier. For example, David Ortiz at bat and the Braves go into the shift. He hits a grounder in the 1st/2nd hole that Uggla scoops up, bobbles (cause he's Uggla) then throws out Ortiz. 4-3.

Next time up Ortiz grounds one more up the middle into the shift. Simmons, on the first base side of second, scoops it up and throws out Ortiz out. In your system, 4-3.

Now you've got two "4-3" groundouts but two different players made the plays. Calling those plays 4-3 and 6-3 records who made the play more accurately.
   148. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 16, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4686796)
Yes, but it doesn't record where they were made. Which results in things like Brett Lawrie getting stupid defensive "WAR" credit for making plays in short right while "playing" 3b.
   149. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4686804)
Well yeah but that gets back to whether you are more interested in the who or the where. For my purposes of keeping score just as a basic record keeping system I'll stick with the basic numbering system.

If you're goal is to do something more comprehensive for calcuating a stat like WAR or UZR then you need something a hell of a lot more involved than anything either of us is proposing. You need to note the position of the player, how hard the ball was hit, whether or not the hop was difficult just to name a few things. I don't think you change a basic scoring convention to create a new system. If you want to create a new system, do it.

It's like the whole #killthewin thing. You don't need to get rid of the win as a stat, it is what it is. That doesn't mean you use it to make a decision about how good someone is.

Scorekeeping (to me) is simply a matter of record keeping. What happened happened. Barry Bonds hit 762 home runs, that's a fact. A ground ball to Andre Ethier would have been a ground ball to the left fielder in my mind. That he was playing at first base is something I can account for in my system but if I were describing the game to someone I'd rather say "Ethier threw the runner out" than "someone in the vicinity of first base threw the runner out."
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