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OMNICHATTER FOR APRIL 18, 2014

The OMNICHATTER has never walked 8 batters in an inning….

Gamingboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM | 156 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4688438)
Reds (6-9) @ Cubs (4-10), 2:20pm
CIN: Alfredo Simon (#31, 33, RHP, 1-1, 1.20)
CHC: Jeff Samardzija (#29, 29, RHP, 0-1, 1.29)

Brewers (11-5) @ Pirates (8-8), 7:05pm
MIL: Kyle Lohse (#26, 35, RHP, 2-1, 3.05)
PIT: Charlie Morton (#50, 30, RHP, 0-1, 3.32)

Cardinals (10-6) @ Nationals (9-7), 7:05pm
STL: (#0, 2014, RHP, 0-0, undef)
WSN: Gio Gonzalez (#47, 28, LHP, 2-1, 3.50)

Blue Jays (8-8) @ Indians (7-8), 7:05pm
TOR: Drew Hutchison (#36, 23, RHP, 1-1, 3.68)
CLE: Justin Masterson (#63, 29, RHP, 0-0, 5.87)

Angels (7-8) @ Tigers (7-5), 7:08pm
LAA: Jered Weaver (#36, 31, RHP, 0-2, 5.79)
DET: Drew Smyly (#33, 25, LHP, 1-0, 0.00)

Braves (10-5) @ Mets (8-7), 7:10pm
ATL: Aaron Harang (#34, 36, RHP, 2-1, 0.96)
NYM: Jon Niese (#49, 27, LHP, 0-1, 3.46)

Mariners (7-8) @ Marlins (6-10), 7:10pm
SEA: Chris Young (#53, 35, RHP, 0-0, 0.00)
MIA: Nathan Eovaldi (#24, 24, RHP, 1-1, 4.19)

Orioles (7-7) @ Red Sox (7-9), 7:10pm
BAL: Chris Tillman (#30, 26, RHP, 1-1, 0.84)
BOS: John Lackey (#41, 35, RHP, 2-1, 3.86)

Yankees (10-6) @ Rays (7-9), 7:10pm
NYY: Hiroki Kuroda (#18, 39, RHP, 2-1, 3.86)
TBR: Erik Bedard (#40, 35, LHP, 0-0, 0.00)

White Sox (8-8) @ Rangers (9-7), 8:05pm
CHW: Felipe Paulino (#55, 30, RHP, 0-1, 7.98)
TEX: Martin Perez (#33, 23, LHP, 2-0, 2.70)

Twins (8-7) @ Royals (7-7), 8:10pm
MIN: Ricky Nolasco (#47, 31, RHP, 1-1, 5.50)
KCR: Jason Vargas (#51, 31, LHP, 1-0, 1.64)

Phillies (7-8) @ Rockies (8-9), 8:40pm
PHI: Jonathan Pettibone (#44, 23, RHP, 0-0, 1.80)
COL: Tyler Chatwood (#27, 24, RHP, 0-0, 6.00)

Astros (5-11) @ Athletics (10-5), 10:05pm
HOU: Jarred Cosart (#48, 24, RHP, 1-1, 4.00)
OAK: Sonny Gray (#54, 24, RHP, 2-0, 0.95)

D'backs (4-14) @ Dodgers (10-6), 10:10pm
ARI: Wade Miley (#36, 27, LHP, 2-2, 5.04)
LAD: Zack Greinke (#21, 30, RHP, 3-0, 2.76)

Giants (10-6) @ Padres (7-9), 10:10pm
SFG: Matt Cain (#18, 29, RHP, 0-2, 4.00)
SDP: Tyson Ross (#38, 27, RHP, 1-2, 3.12)

Not really a single matchup that jumps out at you today. By the numbers, the best would be the first game of the day as the Reds visit Wrigley. But only Samardzija represents a reasonably established quantity in that one. The other super low ERAs are for guys that are probably riding early season samples more than true talent level more than true talent level, though I guess Sonny Gray out in Oakland has been really good for his 80 or so Major League innings thus far. I don't think anyone expects Aaron Harang to end the year with a sub-1.00 ERA...
   2. Davo Dozier Posted: April 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4688458)
I'm a fan of that Ricky Nolasco- Jason Vargas matchup. $85,000,000.00 of pitching talent on the mound!
   3. Joey B. "disrespects the A" Posted: April 18, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4688465)
Man, you teach a guy how to properly create bold text in HTML, and he goes nuts and starts bolding guys like Alfredo Simon.
   4. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4688484)
So the Cardinals go with a mystery pitcher, will he wear a mask?
   5. salvomania Posted: April 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4688490)
Isn't it Wacha's turn?
   6. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4688494)
Isn't it Wacha's turn?

The list above says otherwise. They are fielding a nameless 2014-year old pitcher with undefined ERA.

EDIT: Hmmm... wait a minute, who was born 2014 years ago? Seems like Jesus is a rightie.
   7. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4688507)
I just copy and paste from Foreman.
   8. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: April 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4688522)
Say what you will about Alfredo Simon, but, he's now given the Reds 163 innings of a 150 OPS+ over the last 2 years and change.
   9. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: April 18, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4688524)
I'd say by the largest sample size, the Lohse-Morton match-up is probably the strongest pairing.
   10. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM (#4688527)
Say what you will about Alfredo Simon, but, he's now given the Reds 163 innings of a 150 OPS+ over the last 2 years and change.


First, you mean ERA+, not OPS+, and second, all of that has come in relief. This is his first year in the rotation since 2011 with Baltimore.
   11. Good cripple hitter Posted: April 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4688530)
The OMNICHATTER has never walked 8 batters in an inning….

Chris Colabello twisted the knife a bit in his postgame comments: “Man, we’ve been doing it all wrong for a while. We’ve been trying to hit the ball to score runs. We don’t need to do that."
   12. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: April 18, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4688573)
First, you mean ERA+,


Duh, of course, ERA+.
   13. Sunday silence Posted: April 18, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4688599)
I like that the bold seems to indicate pitchers having standout ERAs. I wonder if you could go with some sort of coding in order to indicate other notable starts. E.g. * could mean first start back from injury or on the season; # could be going for some sort of record. That sort of thing. At first I didnt know why you were bolding, today it seems just for ERAs, but obviously you wanted to bold for various reasons, yes?

Just an idea.
   14. spycake Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4688637)
I just copy and paste from Foreman


George? That might be the problem. :)

(Sean doesn't have an "e" in his last name)
   15. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4688641)
Say what you will about Alfredo Simon, but, he's now given the Reds 163 innings of a 150 ERA+ over the last 2 years and change.
I've never heard of this guy before. I know it's the Cubs and all, but he looks darn near unhittable.
   16. andrewberg Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4688642)
My favorite stat of the year for the Twins is that Brian Dozier so far has 18 runs on 12 hits. Also of note for him, 5/12 hits are HRs and he has 7 RBI total with those 5 HR. He is having a great month while hovering around .200 BA.

I had a resigned conversation with some friends at breakfast this morning about how Brad Miller flipping the ball over Cano's head to hand over Felix's great start to the Rangers on Wednesday somehow already felt like a nail in the coffin for Seattle. That is probably premature, but it was incredibly depressing after he pitched as brilliantly as he did. Iwakuma and Walker can't get back fast enough.
   17. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4688646)
I had a resigned conversation with some friends at breakfast this morning about how Brad Miller flipping the ball over Cano's head to hand over Felix's great start to the Rangers on Wednesday somehow already felt like a nail in the coffin for Seattle. That is probably premature
That happened on April 16th. Worst Loss of the Week, maybe Of The Month, but today is April 18th.
   18. andrewberg Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4688647)
Mariners fans are the most defeatist group I have encountered. Somehow, the Seahawks winning the Super Bowl did nothing whatsoever to raise their spirits.
   19. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4688648)
Mariners fans are the most defeatist group I have encountered.
HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?
   20. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4688654)
Billy Hamilton's feet don't actually touch the ground.
   21. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:49 PM (#4688655)
I've never heard of this guy before. I know it's the Cubs and all, but he looks darn near unhittable.


33 year old journeyman out of the Orioles organization. Saved 17 games for them in 2010. Started 16 games for them in 2011. Joined the Reds in 2012 and has been in the pen for them up until this year. Suffice to say, this start is unexpected.
   22. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4688656)
I know Theo has all saberized the Cubs, but having them flash situational run expectancy for the 2-out, runner on 2nd is...different.
   23. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4688670)
33 year old journeyman out of the Orioles organization. Saved 17 games for them in 2010. Started 16 games for them in 2011. Joined the Reds in 2012 and has been in the pen for them up until this year. Suffice to say, this start is unexpected.
It's not what you'd expect, but he DID work as a starter in the minors, and he HAS been really good out of the pen the last few years. He's obviously picked something up in Cincy; whatever he's eating, I'lll have some of that.
   24. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4688673)
[23] Are you implying that he's roiding?
   25. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:43 PM (#4688695)
I like that the bold seems to indicate pitchers having standout ERAs. I wonder if you could go with some sort of coding in order to indicate other notable starts. E.g. * could mean first start back from injury or on the season; # could be going for some sort of record. That sort of thing. At first I didnt know why you were bolding, today it seems just for ERAs, but obviously you wanted to bold for various reasons, yes?


Assuming we continue forward with the current process, where the first comment is the day's slate of games and starters, I'm all for taking suggestions for ways to highlight and call out interesting information. I may start color coding the "game of the day" as highlighted text assuming that works* in the comment window. Continue to highlight year-to-date stand out performances from starters with the bold text. Can use italics and color coding for the actual text for other items as well.

I do think it's easiest to use the first comment for the games list, as that allows for more editability than the direct article submission window.

*it didn't. I'll have to find a non css based highlight tag and test it out via the text window.
   26. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4688699)
*it didn't. I'll have to find a non css based highlight tag and test it out via the text window.

I remember a really irritating young man that posted his screeds here in colored bold text, so it was at least possible once.
   27. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4688700)
Both starters done in Chicago. Simon out pitched Samzidatiaibalrogandolf, going 6 and allowing only 1 unearned run.
   28. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4688704)
I remember a really irritating young man that posted his screeds here in colored bold text, so it was at least possible once.


Yeah, it's definitely [mark]possible.[/mark] It's just that I haven't done [font size="3" color="red"]HTML coding[/font] in 600 years or so, outside of basic bolding and italicizing.

Nope.

[p style="color:red"]This?[/p]

Nope.
   29. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4688709)
In the meantime, MLB's Gameday "Scout" tells me:

Justin Grimm may prefer to go after Zack Cozart, whose OPS is .280 this season, with the cutter rather than facing Billy Hamilton, whose OPS is .420.


Talk about Sophie's choice.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4688731)
I like east coast games, the hour earlier start is awesome.

   31. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4688734)
Oh well. Go Cardinals .
   32. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4688740)
Oh well. Go Cardinals.


Jose Lobaton back in the lineup for the Gnats tonight. Ben Revere still out with the concussive symptoms, and Ryan Zimmerman is still on week one of his 4-6 week DL stint for the fractured thumb.

So, as you say, go Cards. All right thinking Americans are honorary Cardinal fans tonight.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4688745)
Okay... I figured out the color option. Simpler than you would think it would be. Cardinals


it's just
[color=red]sample text[/color] 


big thing is no spaces in the color = comment
   34. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: April 18, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4688747)
I don't think anyone expects Aaron Harang to end the year with a sub-1.00 ERA...


I'm sick and tired of your relentless pessimism, Hutcheson.
   35. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4688756)
Okay... I figured out the color option. Simpler than you would think it would be.


Or like this?

WOOOOOOOO!!!! I have mastered basic HTML with only a slight amount of cheating off of others work!!

So, we no have a big palette of "how we can notate the day's slate of games" at our disposal. Bolds, and italics, and color coding, and before long I'll figure out how to highlight text maybe. So throw your ideas at me and I'll do what I can.
   36. Moe Greene Posted: April 18, 2014 at 06:46 PM (#4688798)
Can you bring back the blink tag while you're at it?
   37. Pirate Joe Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4688810)
The Pirates just traded for Ike Davis.


   38. DKDC Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4688813)
Red Sox challenge a double on first pitch of the game and lose. Replay was inconclusive but I think the ball was just foul. That's more clear from a close-up of the dirt where the ball hit (it sprayed dirt on the foul line but did not appear to disturb the foul line), but I'm not sure if the crew in NY has that shot or if they are allowed to use it.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4688815)
Uggh....warning track power is all Yadier could muster.
It does look like Craig is starting to find his stroke, if he starts hitting it will solidify the lineup.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4688817)
Interesting point, how often do you see both teams in a game with their third baseman as the leadoff hitter?
   41. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:21 PM (#4688820)
Woah I never knew BBTF supported colors!
   42. Dale Sams Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:21 PM (#4688822)
"allowed" DKDC?

How bout the umps physically walk down and look at the spot?
   43. DKDC Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4688824)
Once Farrell challenges the play, the umps have no say in the outcome of the call. Maybe Farrell should have asked the umps to walk down there with him instead of challenging the play.
   44. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4688825)
Go Dodgers! I'm even posting in Dodger Blue!
   45. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:28 PM (#4688827)
And after that day the calculus instructor never was bitter again.
   46. Dan Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4688828)
Apparently this isn't clearly enough foul to overturn on replay.

I am a supporter of replay (in theory), but if the current system doesn't overturn that call then it is just a waste of time that delays games.
   47. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4688829)
Thought I was coming to talk baseball, discovered My Little Pony forum instead.
   48. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4688830)
Good call!
   49. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4688832)
Who the hell is Yangervis Solarte?
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4688833)
Great bunt by Espinoza...Cardinals defense looked a little like the Nats out there, but it wouldn't have mattered.
   51. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4688835)
Drew Smiley's virgin ERA has been despoiled.
   52. Dan Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4688836)
Who the hell is Yangervis Solarte?


Minor league signing by the Yankees off the scrap heap. Originally a Twins prospect, signed with Texas a few years ago as a mL FA, then signed with the Yankees this offseason after playing in AAA for two years.
   53. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4688838)
The Angels' bottom third is Shuck, John McDonald, and Ian Stewart. That's not even AAA-level offense.
   54. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4688840)
Drew Smiley's virgin ERA has been despoiled.

Nothing like Eric Bedard's.
   55. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4688841)

There is no reasonable doubt that Markakis's ball was foul -- foul by about 1/2 inch. However, the replay system is not designed to call every play but instead to overturn only those egregious umpire mistakes (that is its mission statement).

In this case you had an umpire staring right at the play from a relatively short distance. On a very close play I'd like to think we can rely on a major league umpire's judgment. Of course, I still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny.
   56. Davo Dozier Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4688842)
Desmond Jennings just a routine day off, or is he injured too?
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:43 PM (#4688843)
There is no reasonable doubt that Markakis's ball was foul -- foul by about 1/2 inch. However, the replay system is not designed to call every play but instead to overturn only those egregious umpire mistakes (that is its mission statement).


Which is why they never should have implemented a challenge system. A replay booth can quickly overturn the egregious mistakes, without slowing play down noticeably. I would have preferred a slow implementation of the system, than this cluster uck.
   58. Dan Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4688847)
Desmond Jennings just a routine day off, or is he injured too?


He must be at least nursing a minor injury, since he was DHing the other night.
   59. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4688848)
Holy crap, did Ian Stewart just crush that ball to centerfield for a long triple. Both Angel runs driven in by the feeble bottom of the lineup.
   60. Davo Dozier Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:45 PM (#4688849)
Yangervis Solarte has been my favorite minor league free agent of the past few offseasons. Glad to see him make the most of this opportunity.
   61. DKDC Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:45 PM (#4688850)
I'm obviously biased, but I didn't think either of the video replays of Markakis's double showed on the MASN broadcast quite met the "clear and convincing" standard. I would've felt the same way if the ball was originally ruled foul - there wasn't clear and convincing evidence that either call was wrong.

However, in my view, a close-up still of the dirt after the play did meet the standard, and if the replay booth had access to that shot, they should have overturned the call.

Now let's get back to the game to root for a 1-0 Orioles win so we can sit back and watch the post-game gnashing.
   62. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:45 PM (#4688851)
There is no reasonable doubt that Markakis's ball was foul -- foul by about 1/2 inch. However, the replay system is not designed to call every play but instead to overturn only those egregious umpire mistakes (that is its mission statement).


Which is why they never should have implemented a challenge system.
Exactly. If you're going to use replay to get plays right, get all the plays right.
   63. Dale Sams Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4688852)
I haven't seen all the games...is that three calls clearly blown that hurt the Sox or just three in their games with one favoring them?
   64. Brian White Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4688853)
Two out, Lucas Duda was on first, and Travis D'Arnaud hits a soft grounder to second. Uggla fields, throws to first. D'Arnaud beats the throw, but the ump calls him out. Duda was on his way to third, and pulls up, thinking the inning is over, but Freddie Freeman fires over to third, and Chris Johnson tags Duda. The D'Arnaud play could be challenged, but that would simply result in Duda being the third out instead. Heads up work by Freeman there.
   65. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4688854)
Jason Bartless has retired.

A's extend Sean Doolittle. Billy Beane thinks relievers are the new market inefficiency.
   66. Dan Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:48 PM (#4688855)
There is no reasonable doubt that Markakis's ball was foul -- foul by about 1/2 inch. However, the replay system is not designed to call every play but instead to overturn only those egregious umpire mistakes (that is its mission statement).


If this is the case then they forgot to tell several of the umpires serving as replay umps in NYC, because I have seen a few too close to visually call plays at first base overturned.
   67. TerpNats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:49 PM (#4688857)
Rendon goes yard...and the Nationals actually lead the Cards! (We'll see how long that lasts.)
   68. Davo Dozier Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4688858)
64--

I'm waiting for the same type of situation, but one where Duda runs all the way home with the defense just running off the field after the third out is called, and then the Mets overturn the call at first.
   69. DKDC Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4688860)
If Holt can fill Middlebrooks's shoes of coming up with big outs when the O's need it, I'm liking their chances in this 4 game series.
   70. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4688861)
Why do people like the Diamondbacks so much? Horton is talking about how surprising the Diamondbacks start has been, and I just don't see why that is a shocker. They are basically A first baseman, a second basema, and bunch of nobodies, along with a bunch of Suppans/Marquis type of pitchers in the rotation... I think last place was pretty much a lock coming into the season.

Horton(Cardinal announcer) isn't the only one who thought that the Diamondbacks would be a surprise team, and the only thing I thought was that they would surprise as they are primed for the biggest drop in w/l from their previous season of any team in baseball(except maybe the Pirates)
   71. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:57 PM (#4688862)
Is Werth, really that bad of a fielder?
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4688863)
First time this year Craig with a multi-hit game.
   73. Swedish Chef Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:03 PM (#4688864)
Booo, IBBing Stanton is cowardly.
   74. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4688865)

Yes, I think that is the crux of the replay cluster-****. Some replay umpires (in New York) seem to want to take the place of the umpire while others only want to overturn clear umpire mistakes.

To be redundant, some people (managers) think the challenge system means one thing, and others think it means the other.
   75. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4688867)

Whointhehell is playing right field for the Red Sox???
   76. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4688868)
Howie Kendrick, opposite field homer. 4-0 Angels in the third.
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4688869)
Has Bourjos ever hit an off speed pitch? He looks like a 15 year old up there seeing a Wainwright curveball.
   78. Brian White Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4688870)
I'm waiting for the same type of situation, but one where Duda runs all the way home with the defense just running off the field after the third out is called, and then the Mets overturn the call at first.


That would be hilarious. Although the Mets' situation will generally be more common, as the fielder will generally have a good idea if the play could be overturned, while any baserunner probably isn't looking all that closely.
   79. DKDC Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:06 PM (#4688871)
Whointhehell is playing right field for the Red Sox???


Looks like Johnny Damon to me.
   80. Brian White Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:12 PM (#4688873)
Well, the Braves have this whole 'take a fastball on the outer half at the knees for a called third strike' thing down pat this evening.
   81. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:12 PM (#4688874)
Yes, I think that is the crux of the replay cluster-****. Some replay umpires (in New York) seem to want to take the place of the umpire while others only want to overturn clear umpire mistakes.

To be redundant, some people (managers) think the challenge system means one thing, and others think it means the other.


I want replay to overturn the Denkinger/Joyce level mistakes, but to not bother with the minutia of "tie goes to runner" type of call. I think on average that each team might have 2 obvious mistake calls that go against them in a normal month(probably a little high on that estimate) that replay should be able to easily see and fix.

   82. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4688877)

but the Joyce mistake was not "egregious", right?
   83. Sonic Youk Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4688880)
According to NESN, AJ Pierogi's favorite artist is Jimmy Buffet. I'm starting to think this signing was designed to personally troll me.
   84. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:29 PM (#4688882)
but the Joyce mistake was not "egregious", right?


it was pretty egregious... not sure how it could not have been called that.It took less than 3 seconds of replay review to find out he made a clear mistake.
   85. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4688886)
Mike Trout's 2nd double of the night plates two. 6-1 Angels. Man, Trout is just... so... good....
   86. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4688888)
Howie Kendrick's second oppo-homer of the night. Rout's on. 8-1.
   87. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4688889)
Well, they don't want literally every call to be reviewed. That will surely undermine the integrity of the umpires. I would not be in favor of such a system. (There are many calls each game that would warrant scrutiny.)

I guess I am one of the few that favors a challenge system (designed to overturn the occasional blatant mistake). And, in my ideal system, the replay official does use all the visual evidence to make the correct call -- only rarely would the call on the field stand because the review was inconclusive. (For example, Markakis's hit would have been deemed foul.)

I admit to being in the minority on this.
   88. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:50 PM (#4688892)
Wait, I thought Bill Buckner retired about 25 years ago.
   89. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:51 PM (#4688893)

Couldn't the Red Sox have switched their first baseman and right fielder and improved the defense of both positions?
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:53 PM (#4688896)

Well, they don't want literally every call to be reviewed. That will surely undermine the integrity of the umpires. I would not be in favor of such a system. (There are many calls each game that would warrant scrutiny.)


A good system would have a replay reviewer, reviewing every play as it happens, where there is a signal system to the crew chief indicating a review has happened and a change is to be made, or in rare cases, stop the play as it's being investigated a little deeper. There is never a good reason for a review system on replay, it's utterly unnecessary, time consuming, prone to gamesmanship etc.

   91. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4688898)
Carpenter inhabited by the spirit of the Nationals as he messed up that play(Wacha didn't help with the location of the throw though)

bases loaded and no outs.....now bases loaded and 2 outs...still no runs scored for the Nationals, but it's a nerve wracking situation.
   92. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4688899)

and how often do you think a call would be overturned in your system?
   93. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4688901)
Of course then they let down their guard...2 runs score.

(Angels won a challenge on a homerun? What was that? Popped up on my screen)
   94. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4688907)
and how often do you think a call would be overturned in your system?


As much as reasonable. It's not that complicated of a process...only the NFL thinks that replay should be complicated. Baseball because of their inferiority complex stole the idea from the NFL, which is the dumbest system ever designed. If you designed a replay system, by starting out with a concept of what you shouldn't do....that is the system that the NFL originally ended up with, and in some respects baseball ended up with.

   95. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:05 PM (#4688909)
At least one of our centerfielders looks like a major league bat when he bats...
Jay with a leadoff double.
   96. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4688910)
So, Aaron Harang has allowed 4 walks in 6 innings, and nothing else. If he gets through three more unscathed, we'll have our first official replay-weirdness aided no-hitter, as the Mets would have had a hit if Duda had not been thrown out for the "fourth out" at third, thus negating the challenge and allowing the call to stand as an out.
   97. Brian White Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4688912)
Fredi Gonzalez elects not to try to score an insurance run - with one out and a guy on third, in the top of the seventh, he lets Aaron Harang hit for himself.

On one hand, he's got a no-hitter going.

On the other hand, he's Aaron Harang.

On the third hand, the non-Kimbrel part of the bullpen has been a train wreck thus far.

On the fourth hand, Harang is at 98 pitches already.
   98. Rob_Wood Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4688913)

Another, perhaps compelling, reason why a non-challenge system cannot work in baseball is to imagine how it would play out in real time. Imagine that there is a fairly close play at home plate but the umpire gets it wrong and calls runner out. After a short time, the home plate umpire calls time, gives some special review signal, and declares the runner safe. It does not make any sense on many levels.

Now imagine the same play, the opposing manager challenges (which is distinct from arguing the call as in the old days), then the home plate umpire gives some special review signal, and declares the runner safe. Big difference if you ask me.
   99. DKDC Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4688914)
Tillman has looked awful tonight. He's battled to stay in the game but they need to take him out before the lead is gone.

Bullpen is rested, let's go.
   100. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4688918)
Another, perhaps compelling, reason why a non-challenge system cannot work in baseball is to imagine how it would play out in real time. Imagine that there is a fairly close play at home plate but the umpire gets it wrong and calls runner out. After a short time, the home plate umpire calls time, gives some special review signal, and declares the runner safe. It does not make any sense on many levels.


Not sure why it doesn't make sense.
1. Play happens, close play.
2. in the 20-30 seconds it takes for the next batter or whatever to happen, the replay booth would have seen at least 3 replays of that play and decided if it needs to be overturned or more study.
3. replay booth signals ump a replay is happening.

Again...not that complicated.
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