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Saturday, September 21, 2019

OMNICHATTER for the weekend of September 21-22, 2019

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:00 PM | 234 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5881586)
HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?!
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5881587)
Thanks for the new chatter.
   3. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5881588)
You're welcome, citizen!
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5881591)
Dan Mclaughlin and Tim McCarver are willing to bet that the final score won't be 3-1 with the wind blowing out and neither pitcher pitching well in the first.
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5881593)
Not a fan of this homeplate ump... so far it's favored the Cardinals, but still not a good strike zone.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5881594)
wow... nice freaking play by Zobrist on a play you didn't expect Bader to be out on.
   7. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5881595)
Thanks, Hombre.

My Mike Trout Weather Eye suspects there will be some rain passing through Chicagoland in about 2 hours-ish, maybe less. Will it matter?
   8. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5881596)
If this season marks the end of Ben Zobrist's career, he's been an absolute joy to watch and follow throughout his career. From underrated, late-blooming saber fave with the Rays to Cubs hero (and also that year with the Royals). He's fun to watch and seems like an all-time, all-around great dude.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5881597)
Rizzo crushed that double... Edman's relative inexperience at second shows itself as he failed on the tag. Even McCarver picked that one up.
   10. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5881598)
Tyler Wade should be an Olympics sprinter. How in the hell did he ever score from second on that single?

Brother, if he can keep hitting he's got one hell of a future with the Yankees.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5881601)
Edman not having a good inning... McCarver is defending it... but he had Rizzo dead to rights at third there and took the safe play... he got the out so there is that, but now we have a man on third, sure he's hobbled, but his hobbleness is the reason you make the throw to third.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5881602)
I'm guessing the reason to keep Hudson in this game is for his offense?
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5881605)
Cardinals two men on, no outs in the 3rd inning, losing the game 3-1 with Edman up... and it feels like there is a chance still..
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5881606)
Edman has literally just made back to back mistakes in the previous inning... Tim McCarver.... "literally everything he's done in the past two months has been making zero mistakes."


I love the hustle to avoid the double play... that was great baseball playing... but it always bothers me when people pretend perfection or exceptionalism when it's not always there... a guy can be a great ballplayer without being perfect.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5881607)
strike zone still favoring the Cardinals...(high strikes aren't being called, which is where the Cubs pitchers are living...while low non-strikes are being called, which is where the Cardinal pitchers like to go)
   16. Sit down, Sleepy has lots of stats Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5881608)
Fastball up in the zone to Goldshmidt, “in play, run(s),” was hoping for so much more than a sac fly.

Game day doesn’t really back up your #15, cfb. Seem like the umpire is calling a pretty good game, from the low bandwidth angle.
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5881609)
Fastball up in the zone to Goldshmidt, “in play, run(s),” was hoping for so much more than a sac fly.


It was a well hit ball though, just good positioning by the outfield.
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5881610)
NL WILD CARD

WAS 84-68
MIL 84-70

CHI 82-72
NYM 80-73
PHI 78-74

..............

AL WILD CARD
OAK 93-61

CLE 91-63
TBR 91-63
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5881611)
Can't say what game day is saying, going by fox track, live game and game day all at once, and the low strike zone seems to be liked when it's Molina catching... the high strikes aren't being called at all... Cardinals are trying to pepper the low strike zone (but with Hudson's lack of control that is an iffy thing) while the Cubs are pitching high and not getting the same love on mistakes that the Cardinals have been..

   20. Sit down, Sleepy has lots of stats Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5881614)
Game day says Zobrist got at least one strike called a ball in his favor, there.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5881615)
looked safe to me....

   22. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5881616)
waiting for replay... he was out... not sure if "elbow" counts as tagging the runner...according to the Cardinal announcers the laces are part of the glove... so he was out.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5881617)
I am still a fan of Replay...but I still hate the challenge system.
   24. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5881618)
he was safe, and laces are not part of glove
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5881619)
he was safe, and laces are not part of glove


According to the Cardinal announcers, they are... :) (mind you everything I've read in the past two minutes say that isn't the case, in fact MLB went so far as to make it an official rule that laces aren't part of the glove--although that rule stipulates that the laces without the hand or glove touching...so there is a bit of a gray area there)
   26. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5881620)
They just showed an angle that makes it clear that Carpenter did make contact with Schwarber's back, right in the letters. Whether it was the glove or top of his forearm that made the contact was not so clear. Given the original call was out, I'd say it is reasonable to uphold that call.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5881621)
Ravelo with a single to tie the game up.. The Cardinal announcers are talking about the choice that Ravelo(he of the .711 ops this season) has supplanted Jose Martinez as the first choice off of the bench(he of .734 ops this season) ...and I'm thinking... well if that is true, then it's another nail in the coffin of the stupidity of Shidlt... the more likely argument is that Martinez is being held for a later situation.
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5881622)
They just showed an angle that makes it clear that Carpenter did make contact with Schwarber's back, right in the letters. Whether it was the glove or top of his forearm that made the contact was not so clear. Given the original call was out, I'd say it is reasonable to uphold that call.


That angle was the first shown... the argument boils down to whether or not that counts as a true tag... how close to the ball do you need to be to qualify as a real tag? I mean people are tagged out frequently with the tip of the glove and not the ball... how much lower on the arm does it take for it to count as being tagged with the ball?

I'm not one of these people on here that is an ump... but the quickness that the play was confirmed, indicates to me that making contact at all with the glove arm constitutes tagging the runner.

Edit: and yes I've seen that happen on occasion with a high throw to first base where the fielder jumps and tags the runner going by and missed completely with the glove but hit the runner with his arm.
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5881623)
Bases loaded...one out 5-3 Cardinals in the fourth inning with Goldschmidt up to bat.... as a Cardinal fan, that does feel good.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5881624)
well that didn't work out....
   31. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:09 PM (#5881626)
I am still a fan of Replay...but I still hate the challenge system.

Give the New York office only 15 or 20 seconds to determine if the call was clearly wrong, and the worst part of replay (the endless delays) would go away.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5881627)
Give the New York office only 15 or 20 seconds to determine if the call was clearly wrong, and the worst part of replay (the endless delays) would go away.


I argue that there should be a replay ump at every stadium, and his entire job is just to signal to the field if there is a replay going on or not... teams can argue for a challenge, but the fifth ump makes all the decisions. The stressing on the timing issue is overblown in my opinion.. just do it, or don't do it... depending upon so many human recognized factors for a particular game.

and of course... the spirit of the play should matter more than the minutia of the play... if the runner beats the tag and briefly bounced off the bag, that isn't an overturning call, only overturn in those situations where it's obvious that he came off... etc... follow the spirit of the game, not the legalese of the rules.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5881628)
okay...that was one of those calls that should have been called a strike that wasn't...low strike that didn't go the Cardinals way.
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5881629)
tie game... 3-1 is definitely not the final score of this game... smh. Can't blame Shildt for that.
   35. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5881630)
Well, I certainly hope you Cubs fans are Happ-y!!
   36. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5881632)
Well, I certainly hope you Cubs fans are Happ-y!!


Oh yeah, we've been quite the jolly bunch lately...
   37. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:26 PM (#5881633)
Mccarver quit being an old man.... shut up...if you don't understand something, then learn why they are doing it, instead of arguing about it. Old people shouldn't comment on ####... you are stupid and old if you are relying on your exasperation of what is wrong is because people didn't do it back in the day..nobody on the planet cares about what you did in the stone ages... all your complaints does is show how far out of touch with the real world that you have...
   38. TomH Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:29 PM (#5881634)
#27; shouldn't we give Shildt CREDIT for pinch-hitting for Hudson only in the 4th inning in a key spot? It was the right move, and it worked.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5881635)
top of the 4th inning... the Cubs are on their 4th pitcher, the Cardinals are on their third... have to love September baseball.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5881636)
#27; shouldn't we give Shildt CREDIT for pinch-hitting for Hudson only in the 4th inning in a key spot? It was the right move, and it worked.


I'm fine with that... mind you Hudson should have been pulled in the first inning... so it's a break even... at that point if you pull him, every time the pitchers spot came up would have been a pinch hitting obvious situation where you can mix and match the best match ups... of course some managers have this insane fascination with double switches... which is mostly idiotic in this day and age, but was useful a couple of decades ago, and so you have to worry about them making a double switch simply to prove that they can.
   41. TomH Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5881637)
well,out of 30 MLB managers, how many of them would have pulled Hudson (one of their better SPs, whose ERA has dropped from 4 to 3.4ish in the last 6 weeks) IN THE FIRST INNING? Answer: do I need to say it?
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5881638)
I completely missed that Hudson was going for his 17th win... heck he had a chance at 18 wins if he could just pitch like he did the last two months, and that isn't bad for a rookie of the year candidate(mind you, he's going to finish a minimum of a distant third behind Alonso and Soroko...but still a 16 win season by a rookie pitcher with a 120 era+ is not a bad start to a career)
   43. TomH Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5881639)
(note I am not trying to defend Shildt as a great manager)
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5881640)
well,out of 30 MLB managers, how many of them would have pulled Hudson (one of their better SPs, whose ERA has dropped from 4 to 3.4ish in the last 6 weeks) IN THE FIRST INNING? Answer: do I need to say it?


He's a youthful pitcher and has exceeded his innings allotment if you want, and should be handled with kids gloves going forward, but more importantly this is a "playoff game" and you pull the guys who aren't sharp... he wasn't sharp... Shildt has a history of really piss poor bullpen management, and he was clearly a couple of batters behind in this game... it ultimately worked out as Hudson bounced back..but still he put us behind 3-1 in the first inning... not bad luck, not poor defense... 100 percent the pitchers fault... and it could have been worse.

You can't treat these games like you would a July game... You have a 40 man roster, it's full of starting pitchers that are relatively unscouted and who are trying to prove themselves... let them pitch if the main guy isn't working.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:44 PM (#5881641)
(note I am not trying to defend Shildt as a great manager)


I'm not even bagging on Shildt as a bad manager.. he just clearly has a hole in his strategy department when it comes to MLB baseball, he's still focusing on minor league strategies to an extent, and it shows itself most notably in his bullpen management. I'm not interested in what is best for the player... I'm interested in what is best for the team.

edit: and for the record... different strategies even at the ml level change based upon the months. If this was June... his handling of Hudson is much different than his handling in September... and unlike Matheny or Tlr, he hasn't figured that part out.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:52 PM (#5881643)
Mccarver quit being an old man.... shut up...if you don't understand something, then learn why they are doing it, instead of arguing about it. Old people shouldn't comment on ####... you are stupid and old if you are relying on your exasperation of what is wrong is because people didn't do it back in the day..nobody on the planet cares about what you did in the stone ages... all your complaints does is show how far out of touch with the real world that you have...Mccarver quit being an old man.... shut up...if you don't understand something, then learn why they are doing it, instead of arguing about it. Old people shouldn't comment on ####... you are stupid and old if you are relying on your exasperation of what is wrong is because people didn't do it back in the day..nobody on the planet cares about what you did in the stone ages... all your complaints does is show how far out of touch with the real world that you have...
Nothing but blatant ageism there. McCarver may have said something stupid, or not, but we certainly wouldn’t know that from CFB’s rant, and any such remark wouldn’t justify his prejudice.
   47. salvomania Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5881644)
Betcha Jose Martinez strikes out on a pitch out of the zone.

EDIT: OK, I was wrong.
   48. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:58 PM (#5881645)
Nothing but blatant ageism there. McCarver may have said something stupid, or not, but we certainly wouldn’t know that from CFB’s rant, and any such remark wouldn’t justify his prejudice.


hell I'm old.. but it's a fairly safe assumption that a baseball announcer is going to make an insult towards anyone and everyone from the younger generation... if you have watched a broadcast, ever, where that didn't happen, congratulations for seeing a miracle broadcast.
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5881646)
TFrazier on 1st, 0 out. Rosario hits a double, Frazier stops at third - which is more than can be said for Rosario, who is more than halfway to third before he sees his teammate standing there.

Votto doesn't bother cutting the ball off and taking out Rosario because - I guess he was thinking of where he would be dining tonight, or something. Frazier goes halfway home and then retreats as the throw goes to the catcher, while Rosario scrambles toward second.

Catcher Barnhart just..... holds the ball, so everyone is safe. maybe he, too, was hungry or something.

McNeil later called out on a non-swing that the third plate umpire called a swing to end the inning. maybe he has an early reservation?

then camera perfectly captures McNeil's "NO ####### WAY!" cry of legitimate protest.
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5881647)
But to clarify... the Cardinal pitcher had a notecard in his pocket on strategy and looked at it, and McCarver spent a minute bagging on it, and how it wasn't necessary in his day.
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5881648)
Yankees PR Dept.
@YankeesPR
·
8m
.@EliasSports
confirms that @James_Paxton is the sixth Yankees pitcher ever (seventh occurrence) to win 10 consecutive starts, joining Jack Chesbro (14 in 1904), Russ Ford (12 in 1910), Ron Guidry (11 in 1979, 10 in 1978), Whitey Ford (11 in 1961) and Lefty Gomez (10 in 1932).
   52. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:02 PM (#5881649)
just listen to any john smoltz broadcast :)
   53. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5881650)
NICO! NICO! NICO! NICO!
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5881651)
....damnit... Cubs with a homerun to take the lead.
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:04 PM (#5881652)
just listen to any john smoltz broadcast :)


My point is old people should just shut up about judging younger generations... they are making EXACTLY the same complaint that was made against their generation... there is no real facts to support their claims... and it ultimately makes them look like bigots... which is of course the norm for old people.

edit: and yes I get the irony of that comment.
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:07 PM (#5881653)
apparently I missed the games where Helsey was actually good... haven't seen much from him that inspires me.
   57. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:07 PM (#5881654)
we are in agreement

former player announcers have their career as their "prism" through which everything is filtered

so i don't complain (often) about their "back in my day" criticisms

often, quite often, however, they are just plain wrong on the merits so it's not necessary to bring out the "old people are stupid" refrain
   58. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5881655)
so i don't complain (often) about their "back in my day" criticisms


I feel like Jim Deshaies never does this, or when he does there's an edge to his tone that indicates he realizes he's doing it and wants to let the viewer know to take his two cents with a grain of salt. Cubs fans are really blessed with their announcing teams (radio and TV) and have been for most of my life (the odd Chip Caray-Joe Carter years (year?) notwithstanding).
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5881656)
I absolutely think McCarver is a great analyst. I just don't want to hear his criticism of 'today's game'. He has one of the better recall memories you will see on a live tv broadcast(and McLaughlin is probably even better at that aspect) I just think that the criticism of the current game is almost rose colored glasses type of analysis...

If you talk about the change in three true outcome hitters, that might be different, or talking about tangible differences... then I'm somewhat fine with it.. but talking about "attitude changes" is just ridiculous... players today work out more, spend more time preparing for the season, treat it as a true profession... to pretend that the guys who spend 4 months of the season working farms are somehow more professional or ready for tactics in the past than current players is utterly ridiculous... you have to be a special type of stupid to think that guys making millions take the game less seriously than the guys in the 50's/60's or 70's where the only person who hustled was Pete Rose.
   60. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:16 PM (#5881657)
which is why jd/len is one of the best announcing teams! (ron darling as well rarely falls into the "back in my day" critiques)
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5881658)
Ozuna with a nice blast to give the Cardinals a 7-6 lead.... not bad for a struggling player.
   62. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5881659)
####. I can't believe that ball left the yard. I thought it was a harmless popup.
   63. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5881660)
dear lordy, i sure hope 7 runs isn't enuf to win this game :(
   64. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:20 PM (#5881661)
Yeah, can't even be mad at Ryan for that HR. Pitch was way down and away and Ozuna just reached out and poked it over the wall.
   65. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5881662)
####. I can't believe that ball left the yard. I thought it was a harmless popup.


Cardinal announcers seemed to think the same, it took a while for them to realize it was actually going over the fence... I thought it looked good, but I have the advantage of wearing Cardinal colored glasses and seeing it on tv...



And Carpenter with his third horrible base running in the past week.
   66. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5881664)
seriously... if you have lost your starting job, maybe you should focus on remembering how to play the game the right way.... I don't get what's up with Carpenter at all.
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:28 PM (#5881665)
watching the replay of that Ozuna homerun... and holy ####... there is no way to blame that on the pitcher.
   68. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5881666)
Nimmo makes no effort to get out of the way of a pitch that becomes a run-scoring, game-tying HBP.

even Derek Dietrich, playing 2nd base, was probably thinking, "geesh!"

:)
   69. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:40 PM (#5881667)
you have to be kidding me... a balk call on that???
   70. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:40 PM (#5881668)
worst balk call eva
   71. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:40 PM (#5881669)
What a seesaw game.
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5881670)
####### b-s...
   73. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:42 PM (#5881671)
how can the cardinals not be lining up to argue/kill that umpire who called that balk

someone (many?) is sure to be tossed
   74. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5881672)
Nothing you can do.. it happened.... it was a horrible call, but not much you can do about that...
   75. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5881674)
whitey herzog and juaquin andujar beg to differ
   76. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5881675)
There is now nothing more that I want in life than for that balk call to end up being the thread that undoes the Cards' season.

Do your part to make it happen, Cubbies!
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5881676)
   76. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5881675)
There is now nothing more that I want in life than for that balk call to end up being the thread that undoes the Cards' season.

Do your part to make it happen, Cubbies!


And of course I'm hoping for the opposite, that it inspires the Cardinals to get another one of their come from behind victories and just eliminate the Cubs from the conversation of division champions...

:) A Cardinal win today more or less eliminates the Cubs from the division discussion.
   78. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:51 PM (#5881678)
Sure. But my way is funnier.
   79. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:51 PM (#5881679)
Sure. But my way is funnier.


not from my viewpoint... :)
   80. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5881680)
:) A Cardinal win today more or less eliminates the Cubs from the division discussion.


Gee, you don't ####### say?
   81. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5881681)
So the Cubbies have Rowan Wick and Brad Wieck?? That's not confusing at all.
   82. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5881683)
Gee, you don't ####### say?


sorry... but I have been trying to avoid mentioning it... but at some point I kinda had to.
   83. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5881684)
"And here comes Hottovy with what I believe is the Cubs' last mound visit."
   84. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:56 PM (#5881685)
do they still count mound visits?
   85. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5881686)
Yep. Cubs TV put up the scoreboard showing 1 a piece, so I guess Len was off by 1.

And there's your average, everyday 4-6 double force out.
   86. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 05:58 PM (#5881688)
interesting play and choice... the ball wasn't in the glove when the second baseman made the tag and he knew it so he threw it to the bag for the out.....Cardinal announcers are saying he's out of the baseline, not sure that was a factor.
   87. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5881689)
and my hulu broadcast has failed me... no longer watching the game as it has for some reason locked up... relying on game day now. $45 a month for failed broadcast is not an option... need my sling TV back.
   88. Rob_Wood Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5881690)
yes, 2nd base ump definitely called munoz out (either for a phantom tag or running out of baseline)
   89. Red Voodooin Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5881691)
sorry... but I have been trying to avoid mentioning it... but at some point I kinda had to.


As you should. And as I would have done (much earlier, and without avoidance) if the tables were turned. :)
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:05 PM (#5881693)
I'm a Cardinal fan... and I just don't get this decision to put Wieck in there against Ozuna.... seriously you have to have someone better...

of course I could be wrong..
   91. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:06 PM (#5881694)
It's incredibly rare for a game to have this many lead changes. I tracked this for the entire 2013 season: Out of 2,431 games, NONE had the lead change hands more than four times. Several had four lead changes. [url=https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201304030.shtml]This game had four out-and-out lead changes and a few other times where the trailing team came back to tie it.

But five times the trailing team coming back to take the lead? That's really damn rare.
   92. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:06 PM (#5881695)
apparently he was good enough...
   93. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:10 PM (#5881696)
Wieck has been really good since he came to the Cubs. I like Maddon showing the faith in him in that situation - he's probably the best reliever the Cubs have at this particular moment in time. And no, I don't think I'd be singing a different tune if things had gone a different way.
   94. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:13 PM (#5881697)
Wieck has been really good since he came to the Cubs. I like Maddon showing the faith in him in that situation - he's probably the best reliever the Cubs have at this particular moment in time. And no, I don't think I'd be singing a different tune if things had gone a different way.


My comment was more or less based on the gameday stats, which showed 5.23 era......nothing more than that from my analysis point of view...looking deeper not a poor choice at all, based upon his 10 performances as a Cub coming into the play.
   95. Sit down, Sleepy has lots of stats Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:15 PM (#5881698)
91 thanks, I was thinking the same thing but don’t have the ability to look it up right now.

It will be interesting to see where the individual performance WPAs end up for this game.
   96. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5881699)
3 outs to make it 6 lead changes.....
   97. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:19 PM (#5881701)
Not excited to see Kimbrel in this game. That was really the flaw in the "balk unravels the Cards' season" scenario.
   98. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5881702)
That took even less time than I expected.
   99. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:22 PM (#5881703)
Molina.... not a "hofer", but a hell of a player.
   100. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:22 PM (#5881704)
6th lead change.......
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