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Thursday, August 09, 2018

OMNICHATTER isn’t late, games are just early, for August 9, 2018

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Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 09, 2018 at 03:11 PM | 69 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 09, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5724240)
HOW LATE WILL CHATTER BE UP TODAY?!
   2. Bote Man Posted: August 09, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5724269)
Nats beat Barves 6-3 to split the series and leave them in exactly the same position as they were in at the start of the week, except with fewer games remaining in the schedule to make up ground. Maybe next year. CC: CardsFanBoy
   3. Red Voodooin Posted: August 09, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5724281)
Should be a pretty good series this weekend at Wrigley with the Nationals in town. All the games are important at this stage of the season, but particularly against other playoff contenders.
   4. Bote Man Posted: August 09, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5724347)
Enjoy feasting on the hapless Nats, although the Cubs are not Happ-less AFAIK.
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5724354)
Eh, Happ has been pretty himselfless at the plate lately.
   6. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 06:29 PM (#5724374)
A couple of things:

That Astros are 41-18...on the road. Holy cow!

Are the Cubs even one of the top 4 clubs in MLB or do they sit 5th...just ahead of Oakland(who's pythag isn't great).
Or maybe you'd rank them behind the Dodgers(who's pythag is the same) but would seem to have an advantage with respect to pitching(specifically starting pitching)

As a Red Sox fan I'm curious what NL fans think. As a Red Sox fan I've been amazed by this season, however that is tempered with the reality that playing NY, Cleveland and or Houston in a short series can almost lead to any result.

   7. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:18 PM (#5724383)
Red Sox up 2-0 already.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:28 PM (#5724389)
Today's surprise find while trawling through b-r ....

Rougned Odor has his OPS+ up to 117 with a season line of 273/351/484. This is a guy with a career 296 OBP, who has mainly been decent due to power but put up a 63 OPS+ last year. He got off to an atrocious start, hit the DL for a month and was still stuck with a 563 OPS as of June 8. Since then he's hit 318/408/619 with 20 BB and 8 HBP in 204 PA. Even the K-rate hasn't been that bad at about 22%. Ratio-wise, pretty much everything is pretty similar except the BB (and HBP) rate, the BABIP is a career-high 327 ... after last year's terrible 224.

On the Cubs/NL ... it's pretty clear the Red Sox and Astros are the cream of baseball this year. The AL also has the three worst teams in baseball. Beyond that things are pretty even and the AL Central is really distorting a lot of records. The ALC is a combined 49-68 vs ALE (easily their best performance), 48-98 vs ALW and 27-49 vs NLC. Even Cle is 5 games under vs the rest of baseball (haven't looked at who they've played). The A's are just 47-41 when you remove the ALC; the Ms just 42-41; the Yanks a still impressive but not mind-blowing 52-37. Of course this goes for the Cubs too who drop to 56-43 and haven't had to play the Astros or Red Sox.

So one very bad division, one other very bad team, two very, very good teams and an NL that's kinda blah top to bottom (exc maybe Miami who are starting to play down to their run differential).

If the Yanks are healthy, they pose a real threat in the postseason but I'm looking forward to a titanic Bos-Hou ALCS. The NL will be a crapshoot and we'll probably put up somebody like AZ (Greinke has been on fire) or Col when all is said and done -- and they'll either roll over 4-0 or somehow manage to win the WS cuz it's baseball.
   9. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:30 PM (#5724391)
HICKS GOES BOOM!

2-0!!
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:33 PM (#5724393)
Just curious if anyone around here knows about how statcast works?


I'm looking at two great plays, one by Jackie Bradley, and one by Harrison Bader, both are great plays, but if you blindly look at the statcast "stats" on the play, the Bader play was significantly more impressive... but the problem I have is that the Bader play was him running in for a dive and Bradley's was him catching the ball that is tailing away from him.

Just to give the tale of the tape.

Bradley (search for the Bradley statcast in that link)
Sprint Speed 28.9ft sec
Opportunity time 4.4 sec
Distance needed 78ft
catch probability 42%.


Bader (search for the Bader statcast in that link)
Sprint Speed 29.6 ft
Opportunity time 4.3 sec
Distance needed 80ft
Catch Probability 15%.

And in a vacuum those numbers work for Bader being the more impressive catch, but at the same time, his dive is moving towards the ball, while Bradley's dive is moving "with" the ball. There is more of a margin for error in Bader's catch(meaning Bradley had to be more accurate on his dive than Bader did)

Obviously being a cardsfan I'm going to say my guy is more impressive, but to be honest I think those catches where you are diving in the same direction that the ball is moving is an inherently more difficult play all else being equal. Statcast gave Bader a five star and Bradley a four star.

So does statcast take into account the direction relative to the ball moving as a variable in their rankings of catch probability or is it all about opportunity time and distance to cover? I mean a ball that you need 4.3 seconds to cover 80 feet vs 4.4 to cover 78 feet does sound tougher, but if you adjust for the difficulty of the angle you are going to be at when you have to make the catch, shouldn't that figure into the equation also? If these were exactly same data plays, I can't imagine any scenario that they would be equal in difficulty (meaning if their opportunity time and distance were the same, then the over the shoulder catch should be a tougher play)
   11. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:35 PM (#5724394)
BOO, Porcello gives the 2 runs back. This is what I get for having a 10 minute meeting..
   12. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:45 PM (#5724399)
I hate Rick Porcello. He's a bum! If he starts a postseason game we're doomed.
   13. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:49 PM (#5724405)
Just curious if anyone around here knows about how statcast works?


I don't even know when it's a force play at first base or not. Count me out, Baby !
   14. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 07:58 PM (#5724417)
CFB: Statcast is dead to me after saying that there was a 42% chance to catch that ball. Anyone who has watched a decent amount of baseball knows that was a 5% catch, most centerfielders don't even get near that ball into the gap.
   15. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:01 PM (#5724419)
0% chance of catching that Profar rocket.
   16. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:08 PM (#5724425)
0% chance of catching that Andujar missile.
   17. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:10 PM (#5724426)
0% chance of catching that Walker lightning bolt !
   18. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5724427)
NEIL WALKER SUCKS ... FIRE HIM INTO THE SUN (BUT ONLY IF CASHMAN GOES WITH HIM)!!!
   19. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:19 PM (#5724432)
Porcello soiling the bed. Mookie already 3/4 to a cycle in the 4th, only the HR needed.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:19 PM (#5724433)
Mariners going for the reverse cycle in the first inning - HR, 3B, 2B so now only need a single to finish it off.

bonus points for trying this vs Justin Verlander

AND NELSON CRUZ has done it!

even better, the announcers only now come up with the "reverse cycle" concept
   21. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:21 PM (#5724434)
Mookie already 3/4 to a cycle in the 4th, only the HR needed.


Jesus Christ, is that dude even human ?
   22. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:25 PM (#5724436)
YES network idiots pretty sure the Yankees are not going to stop scoring at 5. Probably haven't seen many Yankees games lately.
Maybe they can join ESPN or FOXsports after tonight...

Stanton of course, makes it 6 runs.

Hardest hit ball of the year, also. 121 and some.
   23. Jay Seaver Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:31 PM (#5724438)
J.D. Martinez, a free agent until, like March.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5724440)
CFB: Statcast is dead to me after saying that there was a 42% chance to catch that ball. Anyone who has watched a decent amount of baseball knows that was a 5% catch, most centerfielders don't even get near that ball into the gap.


That is why I was asking my question, it's harder to go back on a ball than go forward on a ball. I don't agree with the 5% statement. Pillar, Hamilton, Bader, now that he's in the majors again Magnus Sierra, Incierte, Buxton and Kiermeyer probably get to that ball frequently enough.
   25. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5724442)

Hardest hit ball of the year, also. 121 and some.


Top 10 hardest hit balls this year ... all Yankees ... Stanton, Judge, Sanchez.
   26. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5724443)
Stanton of course, makes it 6 runs.

Hardest hit ball of the year, also. 121 and some.


121.7 Exit Velocity, 449'. Of the 10 hardest hit balls in MLB this year, Stanton has 8 of them, and Sanchez and Judge 1 each. Stanton also has more hits than anyone in the Majors since June 18th, including Mookie and JD.

The above meaningless stats brought to you by the Tyranny of the AL East Standings, as a consolation prize.
   27. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:42 PM (#5724444)
Stanton's laser shot, gone before you could blink.
   28. rconn23 Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:45 PM (#5724445)
Stanton's HR was the hardest hit of the Statcast era. Also Hicks with another HR, his 20th. Fun fact: Cashman traded John Ryan Murphy for him. LOLOLOLOL

The man can't make a pitching trade to save his life, but on position players, he's a swindler.
   29. Jay Seaver Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:45 PM (#5724446)
The heck, Porcello?
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:46 PM (#5724447)
Sox tie it, Porcello soils the bed again, Sox now down 7-4. It does not look like their day....
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:46 PM (#5724448)
Stanton also has more hits than anyone in the Majors since June 18th, including Mookie and JD.


I had to compare him to Matt Carpenter, just to see if you were telling the truth, and yes you were.

assuming you are counting June 18th(and no reason not to, since Stanton had 4 hits in that game)
You have Stanton with 60 hits, 11 dbl, 11 hr, 36 rbi, 29 runs and a line of .333/.381/.578/.959
And Carp only has 58 hits, 16 dbl, 21 hr, 37 rbi(he leads off) 45 runs and a line of .352/.473/.830/1.303...
(pa difference is miniscule 202 for Stanton, 205 for Carp)
   32. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5724449)
You know you're playing the Rangers when Neil Walker has two home runs.
   33. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5724450)
NEIL WALKER REALLY SUCKS ... FIRE HIM INTO THE SUN ... TWICE!!
   34. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:49 PM (#5724451)
Porcello out after 4 after "holding" the Jays to only 7 runs!
   35. rconn23 Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:49 PM (#5724452)
Doesn't Stanton have the most infield hits this season? Which, if true, would be the most bizarre stat ever.
   36. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:50 PM (#5724453)
23% chance of catching that Walker 1-handed-excuse-me-swipe-of-the-bat thing.
   37. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:50 PM (#5724454)
Stanton also has more hits than anyone in the Majors since June 18th, including Mookie and JD.

I had to compare him to Matt Carpenter, just to see if you were telling the truth, and yes you were.


Credit to the YES network, since they flashed the numbers just before I wrote that. But I also cross-checked it to be sure.
   38. rconn23 Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5724457)
"You know you're playing the Rangers when Neil Walker has two home runs."

He's been really good the last month or so. I have much more faith in him right now than Greg Bird, who can't hit fastballs.
   39. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5724458)
Fun fact: Against their AL East opponents, the Orioles are 14-13 vs. the Yankees and the Rays, and 3-19 against the Red Sox and the Blue Jays.
   40. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:55 PM (#5724460)
"You know you're playing the Rangers when Neil Walker has two home runs."

He's been really good the last month or so. I have much more faith in him right now than Greg Bird, who can't hit fastballs.


Yeah, but I'm still glad they're keeping Bird in the lineup. He's shown too much talent to be given up on this soon.
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5724461)
Credit to the YES network, since they flashed the numbers just before I wrote that. But I also cross-checked it to be sure.


I didn't compare him to the rest of baseball, but seriously if you are ahead of Carp in any offensive stat starting with past May 16th and is still a significant time period(one month or more) then you are probably leading the league in that stat. (not counting steals or triples)
   42. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:59 PM (#5724463)
I TOLD YOU RICK PORCELLO STINKS. HE'S A BUM.
   43. Jay Seaver Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:00 PM (#5724464)
Boooooooooooo, pitcher walking Mookie, boooooo!!!!!!!!
   44. Walt Davis Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5724465)
Pillar, Hamilton, Bader, now that he's in the majors again Magnus Sierra, Incierte, Buxton and Kiermeyer probably get to that ball frequently enough.

You forgot Schwarber!
   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5724466)
Boooooooooooo, pitcher walking Mookie, boooooo!!!!!!!!


Be patient, Mookie going for the ultimate cycle! Which include the BB and the HBP!
   46. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5724468)
Dancin' Betances is the best Betances ...
   47. Walt Davis Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:29 PM (#5724473)
On the statcast question ... it's not clear. The original catch probability was based just on distance and hang time. However this article introduced catch probability, is still the info link provided by statcast and says "Which direction he was running is also important, and while it's not incorporated right now, it will be rolled into the formula early in the season." (with that season being 2017) They should probably update their description.

This is available under "applications" as "catch probability breakdown." It doesn't say what year that was from, the heading suggests this graph doesn't bring direction into play ... and the table is just hang time which doesn't really help us. You can however mouse over a rectangle to get a specific hang/distance combo and the catch rate.

That breaks down distance by 5 feet blocks but the differences are pretty big. For 75-80 feet (I think) the catch rate for 4.4 hang times was 37% but for 4.3 it was just 23%. And if that's 75-79 then Bader's catch ticks over to the next distance category and 4.3 hang time is just 4% caught. For "100" feet, it looks like the lowest hang time for a caught ball is 4.6 seconds.

As distance goes up, the sample sizes in each rectangle become ignorable (1 or 2 balls). But in these categories, we are talking about 80-120 balls.

From my personal experience, the backward/sideways backhand dive is a lot more challenging than the backward/sideways forehand dive and, yes, diving coming in is easiest of all.
   48. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5724474)
Stanton also has more hits than anyone in the Majors since June 18th, including Mookie and JD.

I had to compare him to Matt Carpenter, just to see if you were telling the truth, and yes you were.

assuming you are counting June 18th(and no reason not to, since Stanton had 4 hits in that game)
You have Stanton with 60 hits, 11 dbl, 11 hr, 36 rbi, 29 runs and a line of .333/.381/.578/.959
And Carp only has 58 hits, 16 dbl, 21 hr, 37 rbi(he leads off) 45 runs and a line of .352/.473/.830/1.303...
(pa difference is miniscule 202 for Stanton, 205 for Carp)


LIES!

Javy in that same timeframe (actually 6/19 since the Cubs had the 18th off): 63 hits, 20 dbl, 2 3b, 11 hr, 42 rbi, 33 runs (7 sb) and .358/.384/.682, but only 186PAs.
   49. Bote Man Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:32 PM (#5724478)
I think I've found the problem: Porcello has been pitching while LYING IN BED!! No wonder he can't get anybody out!
   50. Jay Seaver Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5724488)
Jeez, Mookie actually did it!
   51. Bote Man Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5724489)
Some cat named "Mookie" hits for the cycle, got a home run just now. Huh.
   52. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5724490)
Bugger me. Mookie with the HR and the cycle.....
   53. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:54 PM (#5724491)
And of course he has a BB also, so that's kind of cool. Mookie is just cool. Even amongst all of Porcello's faeces, Mookie comes up roses.
   54. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:07 PM (#5724495)
Yanks win, Mookie hits for the cycle, Sox lose. Now that's the kind of tradeoff I can live with.
   55. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:08 PM (#5724496)
Cycles, 3 homer games, hits for average, hits for power, great fielder, great baserunner AND the occasional stint at 2B! Is there anything this cat cannot do?

The Red Sox should just offer him 6/195 now and see if he takes it.
   56. Bote Man Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5724497)
Clearly, the game is broken.
   57. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:19 PM (#5724502)
A's acquire Fernando Rodney.

No, seriously.

I wonder what Huston Street is up to these days?
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5724507)
Is there anything this cat cannot do?


Can he hit a foulball to his fiance? If not, then he's no Carlos Correa.
   59. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:56 PM (#5724513)
Cycles, 3 homer games, hits for average, hits for power, great fielder, great baserunner AND the occasional stint at 2B! Is there anything this cat cannot do?
Probably something random like, I dunno, bowling. Oh, no, wait- he’s awesome at that too.
   60. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:59 PM (#5724515)
I was thinking he probably isn’t tall enough to dunk, but yeah, apparently he can do that too.
   61. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5724516)
Which raises the question of why MLB isn’t marketing the hell out of him. Maybe a la Trout he just doesn’t want to, but man, he should be as big a national star as prime Griffey, Jeter, Ortiz, etc.
   62. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 09, 2018 at 11:56 PM (#5724523)
The Wade Davis experience continues to be a rousing success in Colorado.
   63. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:48 AM (#5724527)
Which raises the question of why MLB isn’t marketing the hell out of him.


He's having a kid out of wedlock?

America has that whole Puritan thing going, would that put people off?

Seriously though, guys like Mookie, Lindor, Baez even Trout just look like they are having fun out there. You can't get better people to promote the game then these guys. All young, most are flashy in their own way with broad appeal. Funnily enough, those 4 guys pretty much cover most of the U.S. anyway, you got East, West and middle covered there. Pick a young stud from Atlanta and you've got your core 5 guys to market, simple stuff.
   64. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:53 AM (#5724528)
He's having a kid out of wedlock?

America has that whole Puritan thing going, would that put people off?
Well, obviously we can’t have that happening amongst our celebrities, now can we?
   65. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 10, 2018 at 08:38 AM (#5724561)
Cycles, 3 homer games, hits for average, hits for power, great fielder, great baserunner AND the occasional stint at 2B! Is there anything this cat cannot do?


Probably something random like, I dunno, bowling. Oh, no, wait- he’s awesome at that too.

I'll take him on in 9 ball. (smile)
   66. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5724578)
Which raises the question of why MLB isn’t marketing the hell out of him. Maybe a la Trout he just doesn’t want to, but man, he should be as big a national star as prime Griffey, Jeter, Ortiz, etc.


What should they be doing with Mookie that they aren't? It's tough to say from my point of view as a Sox fan because I see him every night. The Sox broadcasts talk about him constantly (because y'know, duh), he's on national broadcasts as often as any player in the game, ESPN had him miked up during a spring training game this year...I'm just not sure what they should do differently?

The general question is what does "market the hell out of a player" mean? I'm not saying they are doing everything they can but I'm not sure what people want to have done. I think Lindor/Ramirez are two good examples of guys who don't get the attention they deserve, I'm not sure what more MLB should be doing with Mookie.
   67. Sunday silence Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5724586)
...it's pretty clear the Red Sox and Astros are the cream of baseball this year.



Dont you think its way too early to start to draw conclusions like this? For one thing the playoffs are something of a crap shoot as it is. But not only that how teams play down the stretch seems just as important as seasonal stats and/or particular match ups. Plus then you've got injuries and/or slumping players that are also huge factors in Oct.

Just to throw some other teams out there in contrast to BOS/HOU; you've got LAD: with the addition of Machado I guess they have at least 8 blue chip players (lets say 2.0 WAR or better at this pt in the season); that's a lot. If they play well down the stretch they could be as good as anyone. I think they're manager is good too. CLE probabaly has better front line pitching than all the other teams, I think? and in a short series obviously that factor can be magnified. They also have a good organization and have been in playoff contention for past several years. Then there's AZ; theyve got 7 blue chip guys, last year their pitching sort of let them down at the end. They seem to have a few more holes in the line up then the others Have played .600 ball since a bad skid in mid May.

SO who knows? its all a guess at this pt.
   68. Sunday silence Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:11 AM (#5724601)
Just to add some data pts. here's the leading teams and how they've been playing, I tried to find a natural starting pt. where their record looks like they started to play better....

BOS 720 since 5/18 obvioosly playing well all season
NYY .700 since mid May; playing well all season
HOU 670 since 6/5
LAD 650 mid May
CLE 610 mid May
CHI 600 mid May
AZ 590 since 5/30
OAK .750 since June 15
PHI 620 since June 15

From what I recall about looking at seasonal records and pythagorean records, it seems that teams that are even as far as 50 pts apart might still be similar in quality; although that's probably for extreme cases. One could make the argument that BOS, NYY HOU and OAK represent one level; and maybe LAD, CLE and/or HOU represent a second level of quality. Hard to tell.
   69. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5724642)
The general question is what does "market the hell out of a player" mean?
Good question, and one I'm not sure I have the answer to. But, just thinking out loud, does MLB ever advertise outside of its own ecosystem (MLB Network, ESPN, etc.)? I don't think so, right? Does it work with its advertising partners to feature players in the sponsors' advertising? It seems like MLB advertising partnerships are largely one-way, where the sponsor comes into the MLB ecosystem, but MLB doesn't go into the sponsor's ecosystem. I could be wrong about that, but I'd be curious to see others' thoughts.

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