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Monday, May 27, 2019

Orioles have no answer for Torres, Yankees

Gary Thorne could probably use a break from the New York Yankees.

Thorne, announcing for Baltimore fans on MASN, provided one of the week’s more amusing moments with his incredulous reaction to yet another home run by New York’s Gleyber Torres against the Orioles. Torres has hit 13 home runs this season, and 10 of them have been against Baltimore.

When Torres went deep in the third inning Wednesday night, Thorne’s reaction felt appropriate.

“That’s to left-center field. Wilkerson back — I, I don’t know,” he said with a mixture of resignation and bewilderment.

And thus an ELO album received its American title….

QLE Posted: May 27, 2019 at 06:59 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: announcers, gary thorne, gleyber torres, home runs, orioles

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   1. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5845889)
I don't know that there's any way that BRef can calculate this, but I'd be interested to see the highest percentage of HRs against one team in a season (with a 10-15 HR minimum for the year). 10 out of 13 is something, even though I'm sure it won't end up that way (unless the schedule makers slipped it in that the Yankees and Orioles play 100 times this year).
   2. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5845901)
but I'd be interested to see the highest percentage of HRs against one team in a season (with a 10-15 HR minimum for the year).

I feel like we should restrict that to teams playing other Major League teams though.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: May 27, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5845902)
I don't know that there's any way that BRef can calculate this, but I'd be interested to see the highest percentage of HRs against one team in a season (with a 10-15 HR minimum for the year)


Of Matt Davidson's 20 homers last year, 40 percent came against the Royals last year. Gleyber has a real chance to top that.

(I'd guess the record was set in the pre-expansion era, when teams were playing everybody 18 times a season).

   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 27, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5845903)
(I'd guess the record was set in the pre-expansion era, when teams were playing everybody 18 times a season).


Agree, 22 times, and you had some really extreme parks in the 20's and 30's.

BRef has the splits by opponent and park, but I don't know how to query them.
   5. escabeche Posted: May 27, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5845913)
The Orioles may well have 100 games against teams that hit like the Yankees when they face Baltimore pitching.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: May 28, 2019 at 01:06 AM (#5846055)
In 2016, Bryant hit 10 of 39 HRs against the Reds. I assume that's not close to the record and Gleyber should top that easily. 13 of Schwarber's 80 career HRs are against the Reds. That's not so impressive though as nearly 1/7 of his PAs are against the Reds too

Not a team split but my favorite split is Sammy Sosa vs. Davey Williams (which I've cited several times): 8 for 13 with 1 double, 6 HR, 9 BB and only 2 Ks. Those 6 HRs resulted in just 6 RBI cuz if somebody was on base, Davey walked him.

Sammy was also 2-2 with 2 HR, 4 RBI against Rocky Coppinger -- same game, back-to-back innings, Rocky was that days sacrificial lamb as he entered in the 5th with the Cuba already ahead 9-3 and they left him in to give up 6 in 2 innings or work.

Pre-expansion would obviously matter for the number of HRs, not sure it would matter for the %age. But I suppose the old Phils, Sens, etc. must have had some stinko staffs.
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 28, 2019 at 01:32 AM (#5846056)
I don't know what the record for highest percentage of home runs hit against one team in a season is, but the record for the most home runs hit against one team in a season, period, is 14, by Lou Gehrig against the Indians in 1936. Gehrig played 23 games against the Indians that season. He hit 49 for the season, so the 14 against Cleveland was "only" 29% of his total.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: May 28, 2019 at 03:16 AM (#5846062)
Mr Consistency, Hank Aaron, had these career HR totals vs teams:

Reds 97
Dodgers 95
Cards 91
Cubs 87
Pirates 78
Giants 78
Phils 76

Those would be the main 7. The Reds, Dodgers and Giant totals would be boosted a bit by late-career divisional unbalanced schedules. Looks like the Reds were the highest HR/PA and the Giants the lowest.

Bonds' highest by a good margin was 87 vs the Padres. Ruth had a whopping 123 against the Tigers (in just 1562 PA). Willie had 98 against the Dodgers. ARod a mere 70 against the Angels and 69 against the O's. Hard to imagine anybody will ever catch Ruth.
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 28, 2019 at 08:37 AM (#5846072)
The Orioles may well have 100 games against teams that hit like the Yankees when they face Baltimore pitching.


Batters facing Orioles pitchers have hit a collective .272/.347/.516 this year. That's basically Jose Abreu (.292/.351/.516 for his career) or Nelson Cruz (.274/.342/.518).
   10. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 28, 2019 at 08:45 AM (#5846075)
Marcus Thames hit 10 of his 31 HRs against the Reds in 2017. 8 of them came in April.
   11. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: May 28, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5846120)
10--Think you mean Eric Thames
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 28, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5846123)
Pre-expansion would obviously matter for the number of HRs, not sure it would matter for the %age. But I suppose the old Phils, Sens, etc. must have had some stinko staffs.

It would matter a lot for the percentages. Back then you played all your games against 7 teams, now it's ~17.
   13. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 28, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5846135)
Pre-expansion would obviously matter for the number of HRs, not sure it would matter for the %age. But I suppose the old Phils, Sens, etc. must have had some stinko staffs.

It would matter a lot for the percentages. Back then you played all your games against 7 teams, now it's ~17.

True, although the flip side of that is that there weren't nearly as high a percentage of players in the pre-expansion era who were even capable of hitting 10 home runs a year. In their last year in Philly, the last place A's had a team ERA+ of a sickly 76, which was even worse than the 2019 Orioles' 78, and yet they served up home runs at a rate of 0.9/9 innings, compared to the Orioles' 2.2. The true sluggers of that era (Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx, Greenberg, Mantle, Mays, etc.) are remembered, but the stiffs who couldn't even reach the fences in batting practice are long forgotten.

P.S. Teams now meet 19 or 20 different teams every year, not ~17. 14 intraleague rivals, plus 5 or 6 interleague opponents, depending on which division your "traditional" interleague rival is in.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: May 28, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5846136)
Pre-expansion would obviously matter for the number of HRs, not sure it would matter for the %age. But I suppose the old Phils, Sens, etc. must have had some stinko staffs.


Not overall, but it would give guys many more opportunities to compile a large number of homers against a single team. A 1950s NLer would have seven opportunities to play 22 games against the same team each year, whereas today's AL star only has four opportunities to play 18 (19?) against the same team. The old guys had nearly twice as many opportunities per season to stockpile homers against a single club.

   15. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 28, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5846141)
And they also would be able to face the starter many, many more times per game, and not have to worry about a battery of fresh fireballing relief pitchers from the 6th or 7th inning through the 9th. I don't think most fans of today realize just how pitiful most of those mediocre teams' starters were back then, and their relievers were just as bad. The only reason it doesn't show up in the overall numbers is because most teams only had 2 or 3 hitters at most who were capable of taking full advantage of them.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 28, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5846149)
And they also would be able to face the starter many, many more times per game, and not have to worry about a battery of fresh fireballing relief pitchers from the 6th or 7th inning through the 9th. I don't think most fans of today realize just how pitiful most of those mediocre teams' starters were back then, and their relievers were just as bad. The only reason it doesn't show up in the overall numbers is because most teams only had 2 or 3 hitters at most who were capable of taking full advantage of them.

They weren't pitiful, they were just selected for a different skill set. If you put today's starters in 1920s usage patterns, within 2 months 80% of them would suffer career ending injuries.
   17. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 28, 2019 at 12:44 PM (#5846170)
They weren't pitiful, they were just selected for a different skill set.

They most definitely were pitiful in terms of raw talent compared to what we have today. What you can't get around is that a much higher percentage of today's hitters are far more capable of hitting home runs, and that every team today has pitchers who throw at Bob Feller speed levels. Every change we've seen in the game has been in reaction and counter-reaction to one or both of those two underlying phenomena.

If you put today's starters in 1920s usage patterns, within 2 months 80% of them would suffer career ending injuries.

See my last sentence above. There's a very good reason why today's pitchers aren't being used that way.
   18. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 28, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5846179)
Are all 19 Yankees-Orioles games happening in May? These headlines have become relentless.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 28, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5846182)
They most definitely were pitiful in terms of raw talent compared to what we have today. What you can't get around is that a much higher percentage of today's hitters are far more capable of hitting home runs, and that every team today has pitchers who throw at Bob Feller speed levels. Every change we've seen in the game has been in reaction and counter-reaction to one or both of those two underlying phenomena.

"Raw talent" is a silly measure. People are bigger, stronger, and healthier today than they were 100 years ago. If today's major leaguers were born in 1900, they be 2-3 inches shorter, and weight 30 lbs. less.

They also didn't know jack about conditioning and training back then. The Yankees prevented Ruth from working out in the off season, or even golfing, to "save his legs". He was fat in his later years mainly because his team prevented him from exercising.

See my last sentence above. There's a very good reason why today's pitchers aren't being used that way.

And there's a very good reason those guys weren't being used in 1930; except for the freaks like Johnson, Feller, and Vance, they all blew their arms out.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 28, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5846183)
Are all 19 Yankees-Orioles games happening in May? These headlines have become relentless.

12 so far, by my count.
   21. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 28, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5846192)
They most definitely were pitiful in terms of raw talent compared to what we have today. What you can't get around is that a much higher percentage of today's hitters are far more capable of hitting home runs, and that every team today has pitchers who throw at Bob Feller speed levels. Every change we've seen in the game has been in reaction and counter-reaction to one or both of those two underlying phenomena.

"Raw talent" is a silly measure. People are bigger, stronger, and healthier today than they were 100 years ago.


And just how does that not translate into greater raw talent?

If today's major leaguers were born in 1900, they be 2-3 inches shorter, and weight 30 lbs. less.

And if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, etc. I'm not making a moral judgment about those pre-expansion players; I'm simply noting what's factually evident. Nobody's disputing the reasons behind the evolutional improvement in human stock.

They also didn't know jack about conditioning and training back then. The Yankees prevented Ruth from working out in the off season, or even golfing, to "save his legs". He was fat in his later years mainly because his team prevented him from exercising.

Once again, indisputable but irrelevant to the point about the steady improvement in raw talent.

See my last sentence above. There's a very good reason why today's pitchers aren't being used that way.

And there's a very good reason those guys weren't being used in 1930; except for the freaks like Johnson, Feller, and Vance, they all blew their arms out.


But even those three would have a very hard time keeping up that sort of pace today. They didn't have any more raw talent than a Justin Verlander, but even Justin Verlander doesn't go around pitching 300 innings a year or throwing complete games. Johnson, Vance and Feller didn't blow their arms out for the simple reason that they could pace themselves at a time when there were only a relative handful of serious home run threats in the game. They wouldn't have that luxury if they had to pitch in 2019.


   22. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 28, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5846198)
10--Think you mean Eric Thames

Right you are. Though if given the chance against the 2016-2018 Reds staff, Marcus may have given Eric a run for it.
   23. Sweatpants Posted: May 28, 2019 at 10:51 PM (#5846350)
In 1954, Stan Musial hit 12 of his 35 homers against the World Series-winning Giants.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: May 28, 2019 at 11:25 PM (#5846359)
except for the freaks like Johnson, Feller, and Vance, they all blew their arms out.

Vance only pitched 33 IP in the majors before his 31st birthday, and only cleared 135 IP in the minors once before age 28.
Feller led the AL in IP (and W and K) at age 20, 21, and 22. then his arm got 3 years off for WW II.
Johnson - better example, except he pitched mostly in the dead ball era and had only one great season after age 31.

Nolan Ryan pitched forever - but his first high-workload season was at age 25.

I can't think of a pitcher in the last 100 years who tossed a lot of IP per year before age 25, and kept it up without getting sidelined.

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