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OT- Soccer Thread- October 2019

Hey, when I have to submit the thread we get a bad intro, that’s just how it works.

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   201. Richard Posted: October 21, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5892675)
Arsenal has been trailing since the 30th minute, and have somehow only generated 6 shots?


Well, they were playing the side with the joint best defensive record in the EPL...
   202. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: October 21, 2019 at 09:46 PM (#5892680)
I'm now watching last nights LA Galaxy @ Minnesota game, and it's the first real clunker I've seen in the MLS playoffs. The two teams look awful. Minnesota are more or less competent until they get within 25 yards of the goal, at which point they are completely useless. LA are just slow and horrid. It's all a shame, because Minnesota's fans are trying really hard, and their home uniforms are three shades of medium to medium-dark gray, which is unique and pretty cool.
   203. Mefisto Posted: October 22, 2019 at 08:49 AM (#5892712)
Is Sheffield United the whitest team in the EPL? Their roster seemed pretty … distinctive.
   204. Richard Posted: October 22, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5892725)
Their non white players are McGoldrick, Mousset, Callum Robinson and Ravel Morrison. The first 2 started last night.

I don’t know about the whitest but they only have three players in the squad who are not from the British isles, and only one (Mousset) has appeared so far this season. They had nobody from outside the British isles when they won promotion.
   205. Mefisto Posted: October 22, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5892739)
Thanks. Four seems like a low number, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.
   206. spivey Posted: October 22, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5892989)
Tottenham needed a smashing like this!
   207. spivey Posted: October 22, 2019 at 05:58 PM (#5893028)
Also, Lo Celso played, Foyth played, Sissoko and Ndombele at the double pivot. Yes!!
   208. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 22, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5893064)
The path there maybe wasn’t quite what they had in mind but 1-1-1 with a 0 GD and 2nd in the group halfway through is about right for Spurs.
   209. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 22, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5893113)
...Ravel Morrison is on Sheffield United now? Can't say I knew that.
   210. Mefisto Posted: October 22, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5893167)
Yeah, that surprised me too.
   211. Richard Posted: October 22, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5893174)
Morrison has started 2 league cup games and made one short substitute appearance in the PL. He looked to be overweight when I saw him in a pre season friendly. He played indifferently in his two starts (albeit with one assist) and is now not making the subs bench on PL games.

Chris Wilder has a good record at getting a higher level of performance out of players who had lost their way for one reason or another, but there's no indication yet that he will succeed with Morrison, which is a shame because Sheffield United could really use a player like him.
   212. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5893518)
So this is kind of an outsider question from a person who is beginning to really enjoy watching soccer. Do fans get more excited about the champions league than they do about the regular league their teams play in? Like for instance, are Liverpool fans more jacked up about this game today than they would be for their standard EPL game on a Saturday? Is it possible for someone to kind of rate the two and give me an idea what kind of weight gets placed on them respectively?
   213. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5893524)
This is a ridiculous goal from Leipzig.
   214. spivey Posted: October 23, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5893525)
So this is kind of an outsider question from a person who is beginning to really enjoy watching soccer. Do fans get more excited about the champions league than they do about the regular league their teams play in? Like for instance, are Liverpool fans more jacked up about this game today than they would be for their standard EPL game on a Saturday? Is it possible for someone to kind of rate the two and give me an idea what kind of weight gets placed on them respectively?


As a Tottenham fan, definitely more excited, on a game-per-game basis, for CL. But I'd prefer winning the league over CL (just think it's a better barometer of quality). This varies by team, league, and even the actual quality of the league at that moment in time. Fans have differing opinions on the relative weight of CL vs. league.
   215. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5893529)

As a Tottenham fan, definitely more excited, on a game-per-game basis, for CL. But I'd prefer winning the league over CL (just think it's a better barometer of quality). This varies by team, league, and even the actual quality of the league at that moment in time. Fans have differing opinions on the relative weight of CL vs. league.


Thank you, this is actually quite helpful.
   216. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 23, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5893567)
This is a ridiculous goal from Leipzig.

All 3 goals in that game were fucking stupid good.
   217. Baldrick Posted: October 23, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5893569)
So this is kind of an outsider question from a person who is beginning to really enjoy watching soccer. Do fans get more excited about the champions league than they do about the regular league their teams play in? Like for instance, are Liverpool fans more jacked up about this game today than they would be for their standard EPL game on a Saturday? Is it possible for someone to kind of rate the two and give me an idea what kind of weight gets placed on them respectively?

In general, I think it's safe to say fans value the Champions League over random league matches. But the group stage isn't really that important if you're a top team unless something has already gone wrong, which can dampen excitement a bit. It also depends on the nature of the league. If the league title race is serious, or the race for top 4 is serious, or whatever, that can significantly increase excitement. Whereas someone figuring out whether they'll win the league by 20 points or 22 points just isn't very exciting.
   218. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5893573)

In general, I think it's safe to say fans value the Champions League over random league matches. But the group stage isn't really that important if you're a top team unless something has already gone wrong, which can dampen excitement a bit. It also depends on the nature of the league. If the league title race is serious, or the race for top 4 is serious, or whatever, that can significantly increase excitement. Whereas someone figuring out whether they'll win the league by 20 points or 22 points just isn't very exciting.


That makes lots of sense. Baldrick, next season I am going to make a concerted effort to watch the NWSL as well. Your analysis will definitely come in handy!
   219. Mefisto Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5893623)
Speaking of the NWSL, I see that Alex Morgan is pregnant.
   220. The Marksist Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5893919)
Like for instance, are Liverpool fans more jacked up about this game today than they would be for their standard EPL game on a Saturday?


Speaking as a Liverpool fan, I'm generally more excited for a random CL game than, say, the Liverpool/Burnley or Liverpool/Wolves game. But Liverpool fans also really, really want to win the league and would definitely trade another CL trophy for a league trophy, myself included. So the calculus is weird.
   221. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5893928)
But Liverpool fans also really, really want to win the league and would definitely trade another CL trophy for a league trophy, myself included.


This could be your year!
   222. The Marksist Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5893934)
This could be your year!


Could be! But it's a loooooong season so I'm keeping my expectations realistic. :)
   223. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5894088)
Arsenal are currently losing at home to Vitoria, 2-1. I wonder how secure Emery is these days?
   224. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 24, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5894090)
Did anyone see the penalty that was called at the end of the Roma game? Seemed like a generous call to me to make in extra time.
   225. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 24, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5894098)
Arsenal pulls it out with two goals by Pepe at 80' and 92'.
   226. Baldrick Posted: October 24, 2019 at 07:07 PM (#5894151)
Vlatko Andonovski officially announced as the new USWNT coach. It's amazing they actually got the right person for the job.

Here's my take on what he should be focusing on for the next nine months.

The NWSL also released their 'Best XI' and it's hilariously terrible. Rose Lavelle (who played six games!) is on it. It's like when Raffy won the gold glove, but four or five times over.
   227. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5894619)
LOL

84 min: If Leicester can cling onto this result, they will go above Manchester City into second place in the table. And with tonight’s goals, they are now also second in the goals scored column, two ahead of Liverpool on 23.


That was before it went 8-0 ...
   228. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:52 PM (#5894622)
crikey, Crikey, CRIKEY!

9-0.

I don't think they're saying BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOsenhuttl.
   229. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 25, 2019 at 08:47 PM (#5894727)
9-0 is the top flight record margin isn’t it?
   230. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 25, 2019 at 08:52 PM (#5894730)
It might be. I saw on Twitter that the only other time in (modern?) Premier League history a team scored 9 goals away was by Manchester United, with Peter Schmeichel in goal. So that's kind of a cool factoid.
   231. The_Ex Posted: October 25, 2019 at 10:49 PM (#5894807)
I think the Man Utd game was at home. Todays game was the biggest margin for an away team.

In both the Man Utd game, and todays game, the winning goalkeeper was a Schmeichel.
   232. manchestermets Posted: October 26, 2019 at 05:11 AM (#5894850)
Yes, Man Utd beat Ipswich 9-0 at Old Trafford in 1995. I wasn't there, because I had to work that day, so my dad got to use my season ticket. I've seen them score 7 and 8 though. Pre=premier league there were multiple bigger top flight wins. Last night was the biggest ever top flight away win.
   233. Richard Posted: October 26, 2019 at 06:22 AM (#5894852)
The only bigger away win in English league history was in 1892-3 in the second division. Port Vale 0 Sheffield United 10. That’s also the only time a team has scored double figures away.

I think the PL record was Nottm Forest 1 Man Utd 8.
   234. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 26, 2019 at 07:31 AM (#5894854)
England was a perfect 7-0 in Europe this week, to take the lead in this year's UEFA points.

Russia keeps fading, and has now been passed by Portugal. 6th is a critical spot, and if Portugal can hold on to it they will get an extra CL team in 2021-2022.

Since UEFA rankings go back 5 years, they are still well ahead of 8th placed Belgium, but in ELO, which isn't much affected by results 5 years ago, they are not far ahead of Belgium, Netherlands, and Austria.

It hasn't been discussed here I don't think, but UEFA is still planning the third tier competition for 2021-2022. Unfortunately, they will place one team from each top league in there (why?), so we could see a 7th placed EPL team like Leicester or United against the 3rd placed team in San Marino. (Ok, maybe they will have a qualifier stage to winnow out the true minnows, but the competition for an EPL team will be a joke regardless.)
   235. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 26, 2019 at 07:42 AM (#5894855)
I can’t imagine a Premier League side would ever dress a senior squad player for any match in such a league. There will be no money and they’re not about to jeopardize their efforts in the EPL by wearing out their players on Tuesdays in Bumfuckistan.

If that goes through, it will be like whatever they’re calling the low-league English Cup these days: any team you’ve ever heard of will just be sending its U23 team.
   236. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 26, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5894856)
The GK was pretty close to that, and Sterling's presence surely made his job a tiny bit harder. If Sterling was in an offside position that seems like it should probably be no goal.

Weirdly, they are crediting the goal to De Bruyne, though Silva seemed to get a touch. Silva's touch makes it more likely Sterling was in an offside position as well.
   237. tshipman Posted: October 26, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5894920)
Pulisic has a hat-trick, and no comments?
   238. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 26, 2019 at 03:59 PM (#5894928)
I was out running errands and having heart failure watching the updates on my phone. I watched the highlights when I got home and it was right foot/left foot/header which is just magnificent. Hopefully this means he is going to be getting some more regular playing time.
   239. The_Ex Posted: October 26, 2019 at 05:07 PM (#5894935)
Chelsea and Leicester are looking like top 4 candidates. Chelsea versus Liverpool or Man City will be interesting. I think Leicester are still intimidated by the two big boys.

Arsenal and Man U need wins tomorrow to keep pace.
   240. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 26, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5894938)
I think Leicester are still intimidated by the two big boys.


2017-18;
Leicester 2-3 Liverpool
Leicester 0-2 Manchester City
Liverpool 2-1 Leicester
ManCity 5-1 Leicester
EFL Cup Leicester 2-1 Liverpool
EFL Cup Leicester 1-1 ManCity (ManCity win on penalties)
2018-19;
Leicester 1-2 Liverpool
Leicester 2-1 ManCity
Liverpool 1-1 Leicester
ManCity 1-0 Leicester
EFL Cup Leicester 1-1 ManCity (ManCity win on penalties)
2019-20;
Liverpool 2-1 Leicester

Yeah they haven’t won a lot but other than the 5-1 in 2018 they’ve never been particularly squashed either.
   241. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 26, 2019 at 07:39 PM (#5894951)
Leicester's underlying stats aren't great. They could easily fade. Chelsea has looked good most of the year, but really today wasn't that good of a game for them, other than the final score.

Current top 4 odds:

Chelsea: 63%
Arsenal: 41%
Leicester: 37%
Tottenham: 35%
United: 16%
Wolves: 4%
Everton 2%
West Ham: 1%
Palace: 1%
   242. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 26, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5894957)
I don’t really follow the in depth stats so I’m not saying this as fact but as a genuine question. Does a team like Leicester which seems more willing to counter and take chances largely due to a great striker typically exceed what the expected results would show? That seems like something that would be likely.
   243. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 26, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5894985)
Not at all sure, but Leicester significantly underperformed their underlying stats the last three years (one of the biggest underperformers each year). The year before that was their championship season, which of course was a dramatic overperformance.
   244. strong silence Posted: October 26, 2019 at 10:06 PM (#5895039)
Overperformed. Underperformed. You have never played or coached football have you.
   245. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 26, 2019 at 10:53 PM (#5895071)
I played soccer for 20 years.
   246. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 26, 2019 at 11:12 PM (#5895083)
243 - That’s interesting. Thanks for that.
   247. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 27, 2019 at 12:40 PM (#5895134)
Spurs on the board very early.
   248. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: October 27, 2019 at 12:55 PM (#5895135)
But haven't swept the leg.

And that will tell, I think.
   249. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 27, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5895148)
We are at the point where I just feel bad for Aurier.
   250. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 27, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5895154)
United was awarded two more penalties today, so now are +6 for the season already. (6 for and 0 against). Of course, since they missed both today, they are now 2 for 6 on the season.

edit: Norwich is shaping up to be the worst team in the EPL by a good margin. It's a crazy miracle that they beat City.
   251. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5895156)
NWSL final kicks off in half an hour. It's a sellout crowd here in North Carolina on a muggy afternoon. Pretty excited for this one.
   252. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5895176)
Brutal first half for Chicago. It was always going to be tough but they're getting run off the park.
   253. Dale Sams Posted: October 27, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5895186)
United was awarded two more penalties today


Funny thing is, if EPL hadn't of adjusted their VAR rules, both Kruls saves would have cruelly been called back.
   254. jmurph Posted: October 28, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5895357)
The GK was pretty close to that, and Sterling's presence surely made his job a tiny bit harder. If Sterling was in an offside position that seems like it should probably be no goal.

I can't believe they actually reviewed that goal and let it stand. I was about 10 minutes behind real time and just fast forwarded through the review, certain that when I hit play again the goal would have been (correctly) taken away. Baffling, VAR continues to be a mess.
   255. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 28, 2019 at 01:33 PM (#5895456)
Dest will be playing for the USMNT. He announced today.

He said:
"Of course, it was a tough decision for me when the Dutch Men's National Team showed their interest, but I have built up a very good feeling with Team USA over the last couple of years and I strongly believe in the plans and potential of U.S. Soccer," Dest said. "I am therefore dedicated to making the next 10-15 years a big success and will do my utmost to help the team play for titles."


This has to be a polite way of saying he thinks he will be a key player in all the USMNT games in the next 10-15 years, instead of (likely) a bit player for the Netherlands, right? Otherwise it's total nonsense.

edit: and almost no one on the Netherlands team is able to keep playing on after 30 or so. Pretty much have to be a worldclass superstar, a GK, or a freak of nature. The team is too good.
   256. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 28, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5895508)
That sounds right to me. It is very good news indeed from a US standpoint.
   257. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 28, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5895513)
The Dutch team had a fairly deep trough only a couple years ago. They didn't qualify for the Euros in 2016 nor the World Cup in 2018 when Robben, Van Persie and Sneijder got old. The new crop of guys should pull them out of it, but not a guarantee. Still better prospects than the US
   258. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 28, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5895517)
The Dutch team had a fairly deep trough only a couple years ago.
It lasted at most three years, and even then, they were miles better than the US team at that time. Basically any of the top 10 or 12 teams in Europe have always been much better than the USMNT, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

The USMNT's best ELO ratings over the last 20 years roughly correspond to the Netherlands in their deep trough.
   259. manchestermets Posted: October 28, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5895520)
It lasted at most three years, and even then, they were miles better than the US team at that time. Basically any of the top 10 or 12 teams in Europe have always been much better than the USMNT, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.


They weren't one of the best 12 teams in Europe at that point though. They were very bad indeed and never vaguely looked like qualifying for either 2016 or 2018.
   260. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 28, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5895530)
2016 yes, they really didn't ever look like they might qualify. 2018 not so much. They tied Sweden on points for second in the group, and beat them head-to-head. (The group also contained France, who of course went on to win the world cup.) Unfortunately the first tiebreaker was group GD (it isn't for UEFA cup qualifiers this year). Sweden advanced over the Netherlands primarily because they clobbered the weakest teams in the group by a much bigger GD.

Of course, even if they had gotten the tiebreaker over Sweden, they would have (it turns out) been in the much harder Pot 2 of the playoff round, all other things being equal. Sweden managed to pull off the upset over Italy in that round. The other Pot 1 teams were Switzerland, Croatia, and Denmark. All of them would have been tough opponents for the Netherlands. Sweden of course turned out to do quite well in the World Cup also.

Netherlands could very well have advanced out of another qualifying group, and very likely were one of the top 10-12 teams in Europe starting in 2017 or so. Certainly way better than the USMNT at that time.

   261. Sean Forman Posted: October 29, 2019 at 03:30 AM (#5895605)
Re: Dest. It may just be that he appreciated that the US always had a place for him from U17 to U20's and that he felt comfortable playing for US and also saw a lot of commercial possibilities as well.

Some people think he could be a Barcelona RB at some point and he's probably in the top 3 prospects and top 5-10 players for the USA right now.

He's an 18yo right back with 3 UCL starts and 7 league starts for Ajax. That's pretty damn impressive.

It would be really nice if we could get all of

Pulisic, Weah, Sargent, Adams, McKennie, Brooks and Dest on the field at some point.

Also Richie Ledezma was made his first match day squad for PSV vs AZ the other day. I think he's 19 as well. He's the #10 to go with Adams and McKennie.
   262. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 29, 2019 at 06:36 PM (#5895800)
Latest point total projections for remaining fixtures: https://twitter.com/OmarChaudhuri/status/1188725693292711939

According to betting odds (and considering only projections going forward, not banked points), we now have a top 2, a next 5 (including Leicester, at #7), then Everton/Wolves/West Ham (not at all sold on West Ham myself...), then a tight group of 7 bottom half teams (including Sheffield United, who have been moved up from a relegation-level team), and finally Villa, Newcastle, and Norwich.

This doesn't take into account the relative difficulty of remaining schedules though, so isn't a perfect measure of expected team quality (i.e., teams that have played a harder schedule to date will be overrated by this method).
   263. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 29, 2019 at 07:11 PM (#5895808)
Tottenham is projected to have the most points the rest of the way, aside from Liverpool/City. Part of that is that their remaining schedule is easier than Chelsea though.

In 10 games so far:

Chelsea: away - United, Wolves; home - Liverpool, Leicester
Tottenham: away - City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leicester; home - no one good. (That's a hard schedule)
Arsenal: away - Liverpool, United; home - Tottenham
United: away - Wolves; home - Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester
Leicester: away - Liverpool, Chelsea, United; home - Tottenham, Wolves (also a hard schedule).

Based on the above, it seems Liverpool has played everyone and City no one:
City: away - Everton; home - Tottenham, Wolves (the easiest schedule of anyone listed here)
Liverpool: away - Chelsea, United; home - Tottenham, Arsenal, Leicester (pretty hard)

(Everton has played a very easy schedule so far, with just City and Wolves, both at home.)

Combining the above with the remaining points total expectation, City is still considered much better than Liverpool, Chelsea slightly better than Tottenham, with Arsenal and United not too far behind. Than a fairly small gap to Leicester (maybe about as big as the gap between Chelsea and United/Arsenal).

After that there is a huge dropoff to Wolves, with Everton close behind.

   264. jmurph Posted: October 30, 2019 at 09:54 AM (#5896238)
Based on the above, it seems Liverpool has played everyone and City no one

Yep, I've been going on about this to everyone who thinks City will catch Liverpool. Liverpool have played a much, much tougher schedule to date, and are still 6 points ahead. I think City are probably a bit better, and will end up with a better GD and xGD, etc., but those points are in the bag.
   265. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 30, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5896264)
Liverpool fans also really, really want to win the league and would definitely trade another CL trophy for a league trophy, myself included.


A big part of this is that while Liverpool has been to four Champions League finals in the last 15 years (and won two European titles), they haven't won a league title since before the First Division became the Premier League in 1992. So it's been a long time, and in that period Manchester United under Sir Alex Ferguson passed them for most times as champions of English Soccer. I'd much rather see Liverpool win the league this year than repeat as Champions League winners, though the squad is real damn good and deep enough that they could definitely do both. And if they could add in the FA Cup... and League Cup... and Club World Cup... LIVERPOOL SEXTUPLE LIVES. Too bad they lost the Community Shield on penalties, no chance for the septuple.
   266. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 30, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5896613)
I've seen just 5 minutes of the Arsenal game, and it's already the best and worst of Ozil. Picked off a pass in the offensive zone with one pure touch to perfectly set up Saka's assist. Then a few minutes later the ball is being cleared in the Arsenal zone and he waits for it at the edge of the box, letting a Liverpool player zip in ahead of him to immediately draw a penalty from Martinelli who was diving in to cover Ozil's lazy error.
   267. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 30, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5896614)
Arsenal 3, Liverpool 2 at HT.
   268. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 30, 2019 at 04:44 PM (#5896631)
Ozil is extremely good at improvising at the offensive end.
   269. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 30, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5896632)
Just a note about Seattle Sounders coach Brian Schmetzer. Since taking over the Sounders midway in 2016, he has now, with last night's 3-1 Sounders win over LAFC, reached MLS Cup three times in his four seasons as head coach. That's impressive.
   270. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 30, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5896636)
Arsenal 3, Liverpool 2 at HT.


Now 4-4 in the 62nd minute.
   271. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 30, 2019 at 05:04 PM (#5896640)
Yep, I've been going on about this to everyone who thinks City will catch Liverpool. Liverpool have played a much, much tougher schedule to date, and are still 6 points ahead. I think City are probably a bit better, and will end up with a better GD and xGD, etc., but those points are in the bag.


That Norwich game is such a killer for City. It's so early that calling any game "must win" right now is hyperbole but....man that game next weekend against Liverpool really feels like a must win. At the very least it's a must draw but with a couple of losses already they can't afford many more and having one come against Liverpool means they need the rest of the league make up 9 points for them. That's a big ask chasing a team that's lost one league game in a year and a half.
   272. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 30, 2019 at 05:07 PM (#5896641)
5-4 now for Arsenal.

Out of all the streaming services out there, to me, ESPN+ seems by far the best for content and value - easily for sports, and may be for anything. It blows NBCSports Gold out of the water while Bleacher Report and Fox Sports whatever is just horrible. I do use my brother's account for NetFlix, but all the original content they throw out there doesn't make up for the content they are losing. The movie/TV sphere is way too fragmented now and it can be a chore finding something to watch - I know, I know, first world problems and all that.
   273. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 30, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5896644)
Just a note about Seattle Sounders coach Brian Schmetzer. Since taking over the Sounders midway in 2016, he has now, with last night's 3-1 Sounders win over LAFC, reached MLS Cup three times in his four seasons as head coach. That's impressive.


Maybe some, I dunno, League One team might take a chance on him?
   274. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: October 30, 2019 at 06:23 PM (#5896668)
5-4 now for Arsenal.


Crazy finish as Liverpool ties it up in the 90th minute then wins on penalty kicks!
   275. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: October 31, 2019 at 07:29 AM (#5897257)
"We struggled in the beginning [of the season] when to play compact and when to play aggressive forward, one against one," he said. "We did that much better today. To see how Pity played, that's how you want your No. 10 to play.

"When we had the ball, he was every time too fast for [Toronto's Michael] Bradley."


My grandmother is too fast for Michael Bradley.

And she's dead.
   276. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: October 31, 2019 at 07:39 AM (#5897260)
I mean, I get that once, back in Italy, he was a meth-head's Pirlo, but now?

He's just got no range, running OR passing ...

Get somebody who can do one thing OR the other in there.

Strewth.
   277. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: October 31, 2019 at 07:50 AM (#5897263)
In one way, I don't want to have to #### on him, because he *has* been a soldier and there was a time where he was good, very good even.

But the fact he is still playing the minutes he does is a complete and utter indictment of MLS and the USMNT.

He's not good enough to lead you *anywhere*, so ... get busy living or get busy dying.

Do, or do not. There is no try, and Michael Bradley is a coward's choice at this point, sad to say ...
   278. Baldrick Posted: November 01, 2019 at 05:23 PM (#5897917)
My take on the North Carolina dynasty.

In other news, the NWSL owners have significantly changed the rules for player compensation. There's now an option to spend up to $300K above the salary cap. The proximate cause is the imminent departure of Sam Kerr, who will probably still go but might now be persuadable. But it's also a huge opportunity to lure over some other big names. Probably even more importantly, they've raised the minimum salary to $20,000, raised the salary cap by about $250,000, and lifted the cap on housing accommodations. That makes it far more plausible for players - even at the very bottom of the pool - to actually function as professionals. 20,000 isn't much, but if you housing is covered year-round, it's at least livable.

Big question is whether the teams are able to get enough money in new sponsorships, ad buys, ticket sales, streaming, etc. to make up for the extra costs. I feel reasonably confident, but there's a non-zero chance of disaster so I'll definitely be monitoring things closely.
   279. Fourth True Outcome Posted: November 01, 2019 at 06:55 PM (#5897954)
Right on the heels of the NWSL compensation rule changes, Sam Kerr confirms she's headed to Europe. Almost certainly the right move for Kerr, but a shame for the league.

I agree with your take on the new finances being a risk, but I think a good one, and I'm heartened by how the league is talking about marketing itself going forward. I've always felt they could easily make hay on broader marketing and media coverage, and now it seems like they're going for it. It's a gamble, but one with a lot of upside too if it pays off.

I don't disagree with your NCC take, but they do irritate the crap out of me, primarily because of the increasing ludicrousness of Paul Riley's insistence on painting them as scrappy underdogs as the roll over the competition.
   280. Baldrick Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:06 PM (#5897994)
Yeah, Kerr leaving is a bummer though not surprising. She was (for obvious reasons) not thrilled to answer questions about that stuff at the final but it seemed pretty clear she's ready to try out Europe and the Champions League.

I'm very positive on the changes in structure and marketing. In part because I think the transition away from US Soccer is looking like it will significantly empower the owners who want to push hard on expanding their viewership. Lots of progress has been made on settling teams that were close to the brink of being relocated or contracted a year ago. The Reign settled their stadium situation and locked down a place in the Sea-Tac market. Sky Blue got in a competent GM and fixed a bunch of their problems. The Spirit got in a new ownership partner ready to actively push the team forward. Chicago built their attendance base significantly and brought in a TON more local media coverage. And the new ownership groups look far stronger and more ready than previous owners have been.

At this point, it's actually two of the MLS-owned teams that are struggling the most. Houston and Orlando are second thoughts, at best, in organizations that aren't particularly well-run even for the stuff where they're paying attention. Still, there are plenty of resources there if they can just find someone to get everything moving in the right direction.
   281. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: November 02, 2019 at 09:54 AM (#5898071)
Swedish league is coming to a crazy end. Three teams entered the final day with a chance to win the league. Malmö have made life easy by opening up a 5-0 lead to effectively eliminate Hammarby who are winning their game but Malmö will win the GD edge against them. Unfortunately for Malmö, Djurgardens have rallied from 2-0 down at the break to equalize and Norrköping their oppenent are down to 10 men. So with just a few minutes to go it;s

Djurgardens 66 pts. +34
Malmö 65, +40
Hammarby 65, +34

   282. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: November 02, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5898072)
Djurgardens hold on.
   283. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:27 AM (#5898081)
FULL TIME: Bournemouth 1-0 Manchester United


Well, that ended badly.

Of course, Spurs are in 11th, so ...
   284. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:30 AM (#5898082)
Djurgardens hold on.


I keep reading that as Dourgardens, green, but very, VERY damp.
   285. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5898093)
That was United's worst game of the year by xG.

Liverpool AND City both losing at halftime! That's a shocker. Have to think Liverpool is more at risk of not grabbing all 3, considering City's explosiveness and that they are at home. On the other hand, City needs all 3 more than Liverpool does, so if both drop points it's a win for Liverpool.
   286. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 02, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5898107)
City are favorites to win the league again.

edit: Liverpool got one, so have a few minutes to get the second one they need to stay favorites.
   287. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 02, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5898109)
Heh. 2 goals in the last 10 minutes.
   288. Baldrick Posted: November 02, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5898111)
Did not expect Southampton-City and Villa-Liverpool to be so exciting.

I haven't been able to watch much of the league this year, but it seems like it's been a fun season. Lots of storylines. Two exceptional teams fighting for the title and a bunch of space for challengers to go for the 3/4 spots. Most of the bad teams also seem to be reasonably interesting in their badness. I still haven't managed to watch Sheffield United, but they seem like a blast.

Folks who have watched more closely, would you agree?
   289. Richard Posted: November 02, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5898112)
Burnley were the first team this season to give Sheffield United room to run at them, and were made to pay. 3-0.

Up to sixth place. Incredible.

Baldrick, I’ve seen all but one Blades game. It’s a team that fears nobody, works hard for each other, and shows great tactical nous. Some of the movement today for the goals was top drawer.

They are at Spurs next week. Should be a good game.

Speaking generally, it’s a fun season. Aside from the top 3 teams are pretty even, but it has made for lots of good contests.
   290. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: November 02, 2019 at 07:03 PM (#5898208)
Bayern lose 5:1 at Frankfurt, after going down to 10 men after 9 mins. Seeing a lot of speculation about Kovac's job security now.

Have to figure Dortmund next week is a must-win in any case.
   291. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: November 02, 2019 at 07:18 PM (#5898210)
I think I might love "the Blades" logo more than anything I could love.

They're not just a pair of crossed blades ... they're a pair of crossed *scimitars*

Their play this year has been like ... a pair of crossed scimitars.

I want them around in the PL for a *long* time.
   292. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 02, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5898224)
It was easily Sheffield United's best game of the year, per 538. They had a big advantage in shot xG, and it was the only game this year that they also had a significant advantage in non-shot xG, per 538. Perhaps other teams won't choose to play them the way Burnley did.
   293. manchestermets Posted: November 03, 2019 at 08:28 AM (#5898290)
Where can I find player pass completion stats for Premier League games? Specifically, I want to check if my impression that Fred gives the ball away more than any other Manchester United midfielder is correct.
   294. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: November 03, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5898309)
Leicester with the clean sheet on the road vs Palace today. Nice showing there for them. Spurs Everton should be interesting.
   295. Baldrick Posted: November 03, 2019 at 12:55 PM (#5898319)
I haven't watched enough of him to fairly assess his whole output, but it sure seems like Richarlison is kind of a turd.
   296. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5898320)
Dele Alli with a boneheaded play. By letter of the law that looks like a penalty.

edit: probably the most just (in the broader sense) ruling, since the handling seemed to have little to do with the play and was likely completely unintended. On the other hand, that's not how we've seen handlings being called with VAR, though maybe for the EPL on the defensive end it's not so out of character.
   297. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5898324)
####.

I love Sonny so much and he didn't mean or want it in any way, but ... strewth , for Gomes.
   298. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5898325)
Yeah it wasn't even a red card foul--yellow certainly would have been all that would have been given if Gomez hadn't unfortunately gotten hurt. Son was completely distraught.
   299. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:20 PM (#5898327)
Wow .. 12 minutes.
   300. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5898328)
There was the Dele handball VAR and then the terrible injury to Gomez. Both incidents took a long time, especially the latter.
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