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OT - 2017-18 NBA thread (All-Star Weekend to End of Time edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  eliminationist rhetoric and precognition.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: February 17, 2018 at 02:09 AM | 6537 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2201. Booey Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:22 PM (#5656876)
flip
   2202. Booey Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5656878)
Who'da guessed that PORNO would be such a pounding?

;-)
   2203. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:30 PM (#5656880)
This Portland game isn't over. Portland has shown a bit of fight. If the Pelicans have a cold stretch, this will get tight.
   2204. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5656882)
I can understand stiggles being frustrated. Miami is playing on the edge of physical and dirty.
it's beyond that. olynyk threw an elbow at ben simmons, wade tried to pull james anderson's arm off, josh richardson kneed the back of amir johnson's head, olynyk constantly falls backwards into other players' knees, winslow destroyed embiid's safety equipment.

their constant clutching and grabbing is borderline dirty. that other #### takes them well over the line.


they're a shitbag team, and because the refs have done nothing to reign them in, it's going to get even worse.
   2205. tshipman Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5656883)
This Portland game isn't over. Portland has shown a bit of fight. If the Pelicans have a cold stretch, this will get tight.


I dunno ... Lillard doesn't look like the same guy. Not sure how much of that is Holiday, or how much is the ankle.
   2206. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5656886)
Portland is pretty soft. In fact that's why I picked the Pelicans. They'd be an awesome team to have season tickets for, I really like how they play.

I'm willing to grant that current Lillard is not too healthy. McColumn is showing some life, though.
   2207. tshipman Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5656887)
This Spurs/Warriors game is rugged. This is total 90's basketball--both teams have only hit 1 3per.
   2208. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5656888)
That AD dunk was just stupid.
   2209. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:49 PM (#5656891)
A couple pages back someone suggested the Rockets have a much harder path facing the winner of Utah-OKC rather than the Warriors facing winner of the PORNO series. I thought that was a strange position to take then and I'm even more sure of that now.

The biggest danger within those four teams is what we're seeing in this series: Anthony Davis being the best player on the court and going ballistic. If I'm the Rockets or Warriors Utah and OKC don't scare me nearly as much.
   2210. tshipman Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:50 PM (#5656893)
The Trailblazers' offseason will be fascinating.
   2211. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5656894)
Although, Mirotic going 12-15 from the field is potentially an unsustainable level of play.

+1 to [2210]. Barring a miracle that's 5 straight first or second round losses for them, and they're capped out. I don't really know what they are supposed to do.
   2212. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5656895)
A couple pages back someone suggested the Rockets have a much harder path facing the winner of Utah-OKC rather than the Warriors facing winner of the PORNO series. I thought that was a strange position to take then and I'm even more sure of that now.

That was me and I'll stand by it. Pelicans are playing really well right now, but Golden State is gonna give a different level of size and athleticism to Davis and their perimeter players. New Orleans were 12th in SRS. Utah is 4th and OKC is 6th. Utah and OKC have probably even been higher in the 2nd half of the season when Gobert has been healthy and Westbrook stopped playing bad like he had the first couple of months.
   2213. tshipman Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5656898)
That was me and I'll stand by it. Pelicans are playing really well right now, but Golden State is gonna give a different level of size and athleticism to Davis and their perimeter players. New Orleans were 12th in SRS. Utah is 4th and OKC is 6th. Utah and OKC have probably even been higher in the 2nd half of the season when Gobert has been healthy and Westbrook stopped playing bad like he had the first couple of months.


I agree with it as well. New Orleans matched up very well vs. Portland, but they won't have as distinct a matchup advantage vs either Golden State or the Spurs.
   2214. Booey Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5656899)
Barring a miracle that's 5 straight first or second round losses for them


That's kinda just Portland's thing. This will be their 23rd first round loss in 34 playoff appearances.
   2215. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5656901)
The rim runs that Davis is getting are incredible. Dude's so athletic and their bigs just can't handle it.
   2216. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:38 PM (#5656913)
Jessica Camerato @JCameratoNBCS
"We're not here to make friends. We're here to win the series." - Joel Embiid
   2217. tshipman Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5656916)
Is Joel Embiid the bad guy on a reality TV show?

***

Spurs appear to be going through the motions. I didn't think this series was over after 2-0, but I do think it's over now.
   2218. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 12:25 AM (#5656923)
prediction for saturday afternoon:

sixers win by 38
   2219. JC in DC Posted: April 20, 2018 at 08:30 AM (#5656958)
I didn't think this series was over after 2-0


I thought it was over at 0-0.
   2220. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:18 AM (#5656971)
That AD dunk was just stupid.


Which one? The lefty tip dunk was spectacular.
   2221. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:24 AM (#5656975)
A couple pages back someone suggested the Rockets have a much harder path facing the winner of Utah-OKC rather than the Warriors facing winner of the PORNO series. I thought that was a strange position to take then and I'm even more sure of that now.

Agree with Spicey and tship, I think Golden State-New Orleans is a sweep or 4-1.
   2222. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5656978)
[2221] Agreed.
   2223. JC in DC Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5656984)
[2222 and 2221]: I don't disagree that healthy, the GSW will handle NO easily. The problem is health. There are some fragile guys on GSW right now, and I'm not talking about Curry who I don't expect to play in this series. But if Durant goes down for a game or two with that ankle, then the series will be close.
   2224. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5657027)
Not to play devil's advocate, but AD is quite fragile too. If he goes down, the series is over in 2 ges.
   2225. JC in DC Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5657051)
I only mentioned the health because Durant turned his ankle (and we all know that those turn again frequently).
   2226. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5657064)
I am so happy that Toronto is playing well, because it is brutal to have to root for this hapless Minnesota team.
   2227. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5657085)
i'm pretty sure AD isn't going to be traded this summer, but assuming he is, which is the better package:

ben simmons and furkan korkmaz

or

literally every positive value asset BOS has in their stockpile
   2228. zenbitz Posted: April 20, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5657086)
I barely follow the nba playoffs, but it certainly seems that health is a big deal in any year.
   2229. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 20, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5657094)
A very nice video discussing the age-old question of the 'hot hand' in basketball, and ways the question has been re-examined. It's definitely worth a watch.
   2230. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: April 20, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5657097)
which is the better package:

ben simmons and furkan korkmaz

or

literally every positive value asset BOS has in their stockpile


Depends. If your overriding goal is to win games next season and keep the playoffs ticket sales coming (as seems to have been the case for the last several years for the Pelicans' front office), Boston's assets include several young guys on rookie contracts who are positive 2-way starters and can play together plus a few decent bench guys and the draft picks to fill out the rest of the rotation going forward; Simmons is a ridiculous talent, but Simmons/Korkmaz does not a rotation make. If your overriding goal is setting yourself up to win a championship in the next decade, though, then it's Simmons/who cares and it's not close.
   2231. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5657102)
Molly French @MollySullivanTV
Charles Barkley said the Sixers are “a nightmare matchup for anybody.” He then paused with purpose and said, “for the next 10-years.” @NBAonTNT



some highlights from embiid's post game 3 press conference:
It was just about I think Justise [Winslow] stepped on it, and tried to break it with his hands. Little did they know I have about 50 of them, so it's going to take much more than that to get me out of the series. I'm going to be a nightmare for them too.
When he blocked me I didn't really see him... good for him. But on the other end, I'm glad I got him back and kind of shut him up a little bit, because he was talking big time when he did block me, and you don't really want to talk trash to me. So I'm glad I got him back.
Q: Jo, a couple days ago you put one Instagram post, where you had you guys playing against this team, the Heat, then it was playing against Boston, the Cavs, then there was one against the Warriors. Was that a prediction or something, was that like the path? What was that about?

EMBIID: [Smiles] I don't know, it was just the only pictures I had in my phone, so I just had to go with that.
I thought it was some tough shots, especially the one that I banked, and I could see in [Miami's] faces, that when you kind of make that type of shot, the guys on the other end they just go like [face of helplessness], and that's good. When you see that in your faces, that's good, because you got to come right back at them, because they're like, guys hate that. That's what we did, and my teammates did a great job of finding me.
It's always good to blow a team out. I think we were up 18 or 20, and if you could get that lead up to 22, I think it's good. I love blowing teams out. I liked the fact that we did that, we're not here to make friends, we're here to win a series.
   2232. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 20, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5657110)
Assuming the Boston list of assets includes their picks, I think I'd take Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Irving, and picks over Simmons. It's an interesting question, though.
   2233. tshipman Posted: April 20, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5657113)
Assuming the Boston list of assets includes their picks, I think I'd take Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Irving, and picks over Simmons. It's an interesting question, though.


Isn't Hayward a negative asset at this particular moment in time? He wouldn't get a max right now.

***

I don't know on Simmons vs. Tatum/Brown/Picks. That's super tough. I think it depends on whether you're already a good team or not. Like, Tatum/Brown/Picks are more valuable to the Warriors than Simmons. Simmons is probably better if you're rebuilding because he's more likely to be a superstar.
   2234. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5657116)
Rondo and Simmons would certainly provide some interesting floorspacing.
   2235. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 20, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5657138)
At that point the Pellies should probably trade Jrue for Lonzo so they can roll out a Simmons/Ball/Rondo backcourt and just wow everyone with Globetrotters-style ball movement.
   2236. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 20, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5657191)
Isn't Hayward a negative asset at this particular moment in time? He wouldn't get a max right now.

Maybe. I think he would still get that offer, but maybe not from every team with the space like he would have last year. I suspect Boston has a good idea on if he'll be the same or close to the same. They are a weird team in that him, Horford, and Irving due to age and injury concerns are not clear positive assets for every team.
   2237. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5657209)
trade machine: who says no?

MIA: joakim noah, tyson chandler, jared dudley
NYK: hassan whiteside, brandon knight
PHX: enes kanter, dion waiters
   2238. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 20, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5657212)

Charles Barkley said the Sixers are “a nightmare matchup for anybody.” He then paused with purpose and said, “for the next 10-years.” @NBAonTNT


I really don't know why people say things like this. The only decade-long period of dominance since the 60s has been by the Spurs. Even the Jordan-era Bulls only really had 9 years of dominance. Simmons' contract is up after just two more seasons. Nobody is guaranteed a period of greatness like that anymore.

   2239. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5657213)
   2240. Booey Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5657217)
I really don't know why people say things like this. The only decade-long period of dominance since the 60s has been by the Spurs.


What about the Showtime Lakers? 12 straight seasons of at least 54 wins from 1980-1991 (avg of 59). 9 Finals appearances, 5 championships.
   2241. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5657218)
I really don't know why people say things like this. The only decade-long period of dominance since the 60s has been by the Spurs. Even the Jordan-era Bulls only really had 9 years of dominance. Simmons' contract is up after just two more seasons. Nobody is guaranteed a period of greatness like that anymore.


Of course, that was a quote from a man who also once said, "If they paid me enough, I'd work for the Klan." Might've been made-for-TV hyperbole, maybe.
   2242. Booey Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5657229)
Bird Celtics had twelve 50 win seasons in 13 years from 1980-1992, including 9 straight of at least 56 wins (6 times over 60). 5 Finals, 3 titles.

If your definition of "dominance" doesn't require multiple titles, Stockton to Malone had twelve 50 win seasons in 13 years from 1989-2001 (prorating the strike season). Dirk's Mavs had 11 straight from 2001-2011.

Edit: So yeah, we have seen cores that were dominant for a decade or more, but I think your overall point is correct. It's unrealistic to ever EXPECT that, especially since it's so much more common than it used to be for star players to switch teams.

As for Simmons though, doesn't he just become a restricted free agent in 2 years? So the Sixers should have him for at least 5 or 6 seasons beyond this one (still not 10 though).
   2243. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5657231)
I really don't know why people say things like this. The only decade-long period of dominance since the 60s has been by the Spurs. Even the Jordan-era Bulls only really had 9 years of dominance. Simmons' contract is up after just two more seasons. Nobody is guaranteed a period of greatness like that anymore.
"dominance" <> "nightmare matchup"

the sixers have a 6'12" unicorn of a PG and a 7'2 unicorn of a center. that's nightmare fuel
   2244. tshipman Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5657232)
The only decade-long period of dominance since the 60s has been by the Spurs.


I don't really think the Spurs have been dominant in that time frame. They lost in the first or second round a bunch--5 of each since 1999 (counting this year as a first round loss, which is maybe premature).

Losing in the first or second round isn't really dominant.
   2245. JC in DC Posted: April 20, 2018 at 05:58 PM (#5657240)
Given our own analysis, I don't think Chuck's claim is that out of line. The 76ers are well positioned to dominate in the East, regardless of whether LBJ joins them. They've got young, unique talent, some nice complementary pieces, and more assets behind all that.
   2246. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 20, 2018 at 06:15 PM (#5657247)

the sixers have a 6'12" unicorn of a PG and a 7'2 unicorn of a center. that's nightmare fuel


Odds of either of them still being on the Sixers in 10 years??
   2247. SteveF Posted: April 20, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5657248)
There is zero chance Embiid is an effective NBA player for the next ten years. None.
   2248. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 06:49 PM (#5657257)
1658. f_cking sick and tired of being 57i66135 Posted: December 28, 2015 at 05:37 PM (#5121339)
it seems like the suns best path would be to build around bledsoe, booker and len, and try to trade everything else they have for picks and prospects. they have a lot of interesting, if not necessarily useful, parts that they could package and sell to contenders. if they could turn everything else on their roster (knight, chandler, tucker, morris, teletovic; maybe warren, leuer and goodwin, too) into something like mirotic or lyles or oladipo or porzingis or mclemore or exum, that would give them at least a hint of a future. that'd basically make them the jazz (some offense intended), but there's not much more they can do without landing a top 15 player.
I would just like to take a moment to appreciate the subtle but marvelous STEAGLES move of tossing Porzingis into the back half of a list of dudes to obscure the fact that he was suggesting the Knicks would consider trading their budding star (whether or not he is super-) for a grab bag of Suns castoffs of varied age and quality. I don't think there's a combo on the Suns roster that could land Three Six Latvia without a Billy King-style picks package.
first, it's the knicks.
second, you're welcome.
third, i didn't include porzingis to suggest the knicks should trade him, i included him as an easter egg to brighten the lives of everyone who bothered to read that whole paragraph.
   2249. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 07:10 PM (#5657265)
Odds of either of them still being on the Sixers in 10 years??

60/40, against.

the only way simmons leaves is if he forces his way out (possible; 50%) or is traded for someone better (also possible, but much less likely; 20%)

with embiid, he could force his way out, too (60%), he could break down physically (70%), his antics could wear thin on management (80%) or he could be traded for someone better (6%)


   2250. sardonic Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:17 PM (#5657315)
Indiana is putting the screws on Cleveland in the 2nd half right now, turned around a 17 point halftime deficit to lead by 7 late in the 4th. Cleveland has 20 second half points with 5:40 to go.
   2251. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:27 PM (#5657322)
Love to get a Jordan Clarkson stepback 3 on a pivotal possession.
   2252. PJ Martinez Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:33 PM (#5657324)
Ian Begley: "Atlanta coach Mike Budenholzer will meet with the New York Knicks on Sunday, per league sources."
   2253. tshipman Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:41 PM (#5657326)
Cleveland did at least play better defense this game.
   2254. tshipman Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:51 PM (#5657331)
You're Joe Prunty, you're down 2-0 in your first playoff series as a head coach.

You know you need to make a big adjustment.

"Yes," you think, "I know what to do."

You stare down at the lineup card in front of you. With satisfaction, you see staring back at you: C-Zeller, T

"Prunty, you genius, you did it again."
   2255. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:51 PM (#5657332)
Pacers not named Bogdanovic from three: 1-17. Could have been a lot worse for Cleveland.
   2256. PJ Martinez Posted: April 20, 2018 at 09:53 PM (#5657336)
Lowe notes something that also struck me: "LeBron picked up dribble early several times in 4Q w/o having gained any traction. Very strange." No idea what (if anything) to make of it. Maybe he was tired?
   2257. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:08 PM (#5657341)
I mean, this was maybe clear after game 1, but Indy can really win that series. Cleveland is very vulnerable.
   2258. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:12 PM (#5657344)
thon maker is playing like a 30 year old.

serge ibaka is playing like a 40 year old.

   2259. kubiwan Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:25 PM (#5657354)
Pacers not named Bogdanovic from three: 1-17. Could have been a lot worse for Cleveland.


Pacers named Bogdanovic from three: 7-9. Could have been a lot better for Cleveland.
   2260. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:26 PM (#5657355)
Tight one in Milwaukee. Boston appears to have realized they don't currently feature many good offensive options.
   2261. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5657357)
Lowry cannot stay in front of Wall. Toronto needs to think about how they're going to handle that matchup because I feel like it's Washington's way back into the series.

This G League MVP looks pretty solid, I'd maybe give him a lot more run like he's getting here in the 4th quarter. The other thing to consider is just have Wall's man basically stay in the paint and dare him to shoot 10 3 pointers.

I don't like this game as someone rooting for Toronto. They've been outplayed and out-toughed, and it's not like they're shooting poor.
   2262. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5657359)
Pacers named Bogdanovic from three: 7-9.

I almost noted the same thing but they were still a hair under 31% as a team, so they were still bad overall from 3. When a 40% 3pt shooter has a hot night like that you'd probably expect his team to have a good overall shooting night, not a bad one. Therefore I think it's fair to say the Cavs were a bit lucky in that department.
   2263. SteveF Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:02 PM (#5657373)
Tight one in Milwaukee. Boston appears to have realized they don't currently feature many good offensive options.

Borderline good NBA players tend to perform worse on the road. That series could easily go seven with the home team winning every game.
   2264. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 01:01 AM (#5657412)
@ryenarussillo
Seeing playoff Rondo is like watching De Niro in Godfather II after you watched Dirty Grandpa.

@ryenarussillo
Based on conversations w/ NBA guys the Spurs are selling the idea that Kawhi is legitimately hurt, not disgruntled to keep his value higher. Think about that.

@ryenarussillo
As @WindhorstESPN has already reported, teams will be lining up but it depends on how many teams will be on his list. More teams, price goes up. LeBron’s future is possibly tied to this. Philly would have to move Fultz and more.
   2265. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 02:56 AM (#5657431)
trade machine: who says no?

POR: kawhi leonard, patty mills
SAS: cj mccollum, al-farouk aminu, caleb swanigan
   2266. PJ Martinez Posted: April 21, 2018 at 08:25 AM (#5657452)
I saw a suggestion somewhere of a Kawhi trade centered on Bradley Beal, which might make some sense if San Antonio is committed to moving him and doesn't want to rebuild. Beal and Oubre for Leonard and Mills, or something.
   2267. mike f Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5657455)
Why is Mills in every Leonard trade? Is he overpaid? Unnecessary with Murray?
   2268. PJ Martinez Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5657463)
Mills is necessary to make the salaries work.
   2269. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5657494)
Why is Mills in every Leonard trade? Is he overpaid? Unnecessary with Murray?

he's not compatible with mccollum or beal on offense, and he's a pretty bad defender.

trade machine: who says no?
CHI: 10th overall pick in 2018
PHI: CHI 2019 #1 (top 3 protected)
   2270. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5657527)
   2271. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5657531)
prediction for saturday afternoon:

sixers win by 38
   2272. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 21, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5657533)
trade machine: who says no?
CHI: 10th overall pick in 2018
PHI: CHI 2019 #1 (top 3 protected)


For the first time ever, the sixers should.
   2273. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5657565)
the refs are ####### the sixers over again by letting MIA clutch and grab, and the sixers are pissing away too many possessions with turnovers.


   2274. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5657574)
I'm not seeing the unfairness.
   2275. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5657579)
That was a cheap shot on Dragic.
   2276. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5657584)
I'm not seeing the unfairness.
watch redick, covington and belinelli on offense. they get fouled half a dozen times every possession.

watch embiid in the post. he's getting mauled, but the refs called him for an offensive foul because the goon that was mauling him flopped on the ground.

and now here, johnson should get ejected, but they're calling offsetting technical fouls, which doesn't effect MIA because they're losing losers who are going to lose the series, but the accumulation could cost the sixers in later rounds.



the ratio of fouls that go uncalled vs. fouls that get called is 30:1 for the heat and 2:1 for the sixers. the refs are ####### them.
   2277. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5657586)
That was a cheap shot on Dragic.

covington's hands were down, there was no knee or kick or contact to the head.

dragic flopped and flailed because that's what he does.


james johnson (who i ####### love, by the way... for all my ######## about MIA since this series starter, i haven't said one negative word about him) came charging in from half court, grabbed covington by the throat and drove him into the stanchion. that should have been a technical, in addition to the offsetting technicals that he and covington got for the shoving.
   2278. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5657587)
the refs are ####### the sixers over again by letting MIA clutch and grab
Welcome back to the playoffs. It doesn't get better.
   2279. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5657588)
MIA is way more physical than PHI and just daring the refs to call everything (which they're not doing) at this point.

Also Brett Brown with some terrible coaching decisions in this half.
   2280. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5657590)
I dunno, man. I don't have a rooting interest in this series, and I'm not seeing the unfairness. Of course, not having a rooting interest, I don't care about how having to play the mean ol' Heat might mean for the Sixers in the later rounds.
   2281. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5657592)
Yeah, I co-sign 2279.

Also 2278.

#### is "unfair": but it's typical, representative playoff unfairness.
   2282. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5657594)
I dunno, man. I don't have a rooting interest in this series, and I'm not seeing the unfairness. Of course, not having a rooting interest, I don't care about how having to play the mean ol' Heat might mean for the Sixers in the later rounds.

I don't think it's "unfairness" as much as it is the reality that playoffs are called differently than the regular season. Because of this, more physical teams, or teams that play a more physical style will be at an advantage, which is what we're seeing.
   2283. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5657597)
That plus Miami is at home. That matters more in the playoffs.

Mike Callahan is one of the refs, he has a rep for letting more physical play go.

(I am not watching the game so I cannot comment).
   2284. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5657598)
I don't think it's "unfairness" as much as it is the reality that playoffs are called differently than the regular season.
This. Basketball is physical, playoff basketball is very physical, and I don't want to hear about how other teams (never the fans' own team) are too rough and mean.
   2285. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5657601)
That plus Miami is at home. That matters more in the playoffs.
it didn't matter in game 2.
I don't think it's "unfairness" as much as it is the reality that playoffs are called differently than the regular season. Because of this, more physical teams, or teams that play a more physical style will be at an advantage, which is what we're seeing.
to an extent.

MIA has gone beyond any reasonable extent in this series.
MIA is way more physical than PHI and just daring the refs to call everything (which they're not doing) at this point.

that's the issue i've repeatedly pointed out. the refs are pulling the choke chain on the sixers, while letting repeated, borderline (and flagrant) violations by the heat go.

   2286. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5657605)
the refereeing in this series might be "fair" if both teams were equally physical and equally dirty. they're not.


what's happening is that the refs let MIA get away with murder until the sixers match their intensity, which is when the refs clamp down on the games by calling fouls on the sixers.


   2287. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5657606)
what's happening is that the refs let MIA get away with murder until the sixers match their intensity
That's not what's happening, but I can understand why you'd feel that way.
   2288. Tin Angel Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5657607)
Philly getting pushed around like little kids.
   2289. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5657609)
if both teams were equally physical
Like it or not, the solution is right there in the problem statement.
   2290. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5657613)
Like it or not, the solution is right there in the problem statement.

again, that's the ####### problem.


the referees have not allowed the sixers play with the same physicality as the heat. when they ramp up the physicality, they get called for fouls.

   2291. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5657615)
Simmons is almost begging for another whistle.
   2292. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5657619)
Sixers 6-24 from the arc.
   2293. aberg Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5657625)
I know that McHale ruined my favorite team, but I really think him on commentary. Pretty knowledgeable about in-game stuff and an enjoyable temperament
   2294. aberg Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5657628)
This game has been an example of what worried me about Philly in the playoffs. They have a penchant to forget to stick to the stuff they're good at, even though they're way more talented. The turnovers leading to fast breaks and settling for shots that aren't optimal are youthful errors. It's just one game and I still picked them to win the east, but it reminds me of what their weaknesses are.
   2295. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5657630)
I love me some Ilyasova! If there's one player I actively root for in this series, it's him.
   2296. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5657638)
I like McHale a ton on commentary. I hate watching Reddick shoot threes. He's almost never square. Just flings the ball up there.
   2297. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5657642)
Philly's got 4 1/2 white guys on the court at once. Don't see that a lot.
   2298. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5657648)
This is by far the most exciting series being played. I wonder if any series will be more exciting moving forward.
   2299. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:04 PM (#5657649)
I like Philly's composure this quarter. They really let themselves get flustered earlier, but now they seem to have their head on straight. Embiid is kinda playing close to the edge, though; I think he still wants his pound of flesh.
   2300. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5657652)
Agree, LA. I love Covington. He plays so smart.
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