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OT - 2017-18 NBA thread (All-Star Weekend to End of Time edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  eliminationist rhetoric and precognition.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: February 17, 2018 at 02:09 AM | 6537 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2301. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5657654)
2 straight bad possessions for Embiid.
   2302. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:08 PM (#5657655)
Embiid, whenever I've watched him, seems to have a poor sense of what he does well offensively...
   2303. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5657662)
I think he has no sense of his limitations and lets his emotion take over. Simmons, by contrast, is much more composed. Embiid will mature.

I have to say, he's made some plays today, that since they didn't cause his legs to collapse, I suspect his legs never will. Athletically he looks fantastic.
   2304. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:17 PM (#5657668)
You know, for all of Steagles' ########, the 6ers shot 10 more FTs than the heat, and Justise Winslow had to get stitches.
   2305. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5657669)
Nice win for Philly, much more impressive than Game 1. They're obviously more talented, and good things happen for them when they stopped complaining about the refs and the physical play. The Ilyasova buckets at the end of the 3rd really helped steady the boat. I love that guy.
   2306. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5657671)
This game has been an example of what worried me about Philly in the playoffs. They have a penchant to forget to stick to the stuff they're good at, even though they're way more talented. The turnovers leading to fast breaks and settling for shots that aren't optimal are youthful errors. It's just one game and I still picked them to win the east, but it reminds me of what their weaknesses are.
that's all fair criticism, but look at what it's taking MIA to just play even with the sixers:

PHI shot 7/31 from 3
PHI had 27 turnovers
embiid was 2/11 from the field
ben simmons was in foul trouble
robert covington was in foul trouble


even if you don't agree with what i'm saying about the refs, the fact that MIA couldn't pull away from the sixers despite all of that (and they couldn't pull away in game 2, either, under similar circumstances) isn't just a reflection on the disparity of talent, it's also an indication of how resilient the sixers are.

there are other young (and/or inexperienced) teams in the playoffs. BOS, IND, MIL, MIN. how many of those teams could win on the road, with 25+ turnovers, shooting 23% from beyond the arc, coming back from being down 12 in the 3rd quarter, with their best player shooting 18% from the field?


this game might worry you, but it's part of the process of becoming an experienced, battle tested title contender. the sixers just beat MIA, in MIA, twice, despite playing like #### today. title contenders find ways to win on the road when they're not playing well. the sixers did that.
   2307. SteveF Posted: April 21, 2018 at 05:49 PM (#5657681)
You've read too many of your own posts.
   2308. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 06:09 PM (#5657685)
I have to say, he's made some plays today, that since they didn't cause his legs to collapse, I suspect his legs never will. Athletically he looks fantastic.
best shape of his life?
You know, for all of Steagles' ########, the 6ers shot 10 more FTs than the heat, and Justise Winslow had to get stitches.

FTs are a counting stat. in this case, it's not telling you the whole story.

and winslow fouled embiid's elbow with his forehead on that play. that was one of the many heat fouls that the refs ignored.
   2309. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 06:12 PM (#5657686)
from my \"########\" during game 3:
I too have no idea where exactly there was a flagrant on Winslow. That's a pretty standard foul.
you're not allowed to just wrap guys up like that anymore. the NBA changed the rule to make that a flagrant foul because it's a dangerous play.
It still happens all the time, and is called a normal foul.

cj mccollum just got a flagrant foul for this exact play.
   2310. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 06:42 PM (#5657695)
cj mccollum just got a flagrant foul for this exact play.
Even the Sixers have stopped complaining. It's just you now.
   2311. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5657697)
Jon Johnson @jonjohnsonwip
“I think these two players have the chance to be great. And they are ours.”
- Brett Brown on Embiid & Simmons

Channing Frye @Channing_Frye
It’s wild watching the personalities of each series. The Philly heat game was a fist fight. the blazer/ pels is the complete opposite.

Frank Urbina @frankurbina_
The Philadelphia 76ers just turned the ball over 26 times, shot 22.6 percent from three (on 31 attempts) and still won a crucial road playoff game. That team is a juggernaut.

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt
Something else to consider: In buyout market, Ilyasova considered Bucks, a team he for which he previously played. And his wife and children still live in suburban Milwaukee. That's how much he liked opportunity with Sixers. twitter.com/JeffZillgitt/s…

Micah Adams @MicahAdams13
The 76ers ranked 29th in the NBA in offensive efficiency in the 4th quarter during the regular season. So far this series in the 4th quarter: 178.6 115.7 121.2 111.2 Very early but fixing a major flaw and doing it against a very good defense.

Manny Navarro @Manny_Navarro
Brett Brown: "I'm shocked we won this game. We didn't deserve to win this game."
   2312. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5657698)
Anthony Davis is awesome. Just awesome.
   2313. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:16 PM (#5657700)
John Schuhmann @johnschuhmann
The Heat are really tough, but the Sixers are really good (and really big).

Tas Melas @TasMelas
Hey Sixers, you are impressive.

Mike Richman @mikegrich
Hassan Whiteside completely biffing the two most important defensive possessions of the game ... yikes

Shandel Richardson @ShandelRich
Sixers last two possessions: -Wide open dunk by Ben Simmons -Wide open shot by J.J. Redick

Zach Oliver @ZachOliverNBA
The Sixers have two generational players at the same time. I know there’s a lot of jokes about the process, but let’s actually appreciate them doing it the right way.

Eric Koreen @ekoreen
Miami’s just having a nightmare creating anything in the half court. Philly lineup is just monstrous.

Kamenetzky Brothers @KamBrothers
Nobody on either team would still be alive if Heat-Sixers lasted seven games. AK

Jabari Davis @JabariDavisNBA
Jesus, Embiid.
   2314. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:19 PM (#5657702)
I just wish I had more than $20 on the 76ers at 50-1. They're 12-1 now, and that actually feels about right.
   2315. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:22 PM (#5657703)
We need some more regular posters in here--I don't wanna block 57i66135, but damn if he couldn't use a little dilution...
   2316. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5657706)
First week of the playoffs has been great for the new wave of superstars.
   2317. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:37 PM (#5657708)
We need some more regular posters in here--I don't wanna block 57i66135, but damn if he couldn't use a little dilution...

sports are so much more fun when you can make strangers hate your team solely because of your sickening enthusiasm for them.
This is the perfect distillations of the Stiggles experience
plus, if i'm being honest, 4% "light" trolling.


   2318. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:48 PM (#5657711)
God the first minute of HOU/MIN is deadening.
   2319. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:53 PM (#5657713)
Also, yay NOP, but I wish these two teams had not played each other so early.
   2320. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 21, 2018 at 07:55 PM (#5657714)
compared to MIA/PHI, the physicality of every other playoff series is ___________________
   2321. Tin Angel Posted: April 21, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5657728)
D-Rose in the house!!
   2322. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 08:33 PM (#5657731)
I can't even imagine Andre Iguodala or Danny Green guarding a 76ers player.
   2323. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 08:36 PM (#5657735)
It's early in the playoffs but I'm not loving what I'm getting from the Rockets and the Raptors.
   2324. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: April 21, 2018 at 08:37 PM (#5657736)
I know it's not something they'd ever do, but should GS lose a game to give Steph some more time to come back?
   2325. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: April 21, 2018 at 08:41 PM (#5657739)
I just wish I had more than $20 on the 76ers at 50-1. They're 12-1 now, and that actually feels about right.


Have a big old $10 on Philadelphia at 16-1 to win the East. Have a big old $25 on Toronto at 7-1.

TL;DR: LeBron's still going to the Finals.
   2326. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:18 PM (#5657761)
Btw: How good is Doris Burke?

Super nice to hear her voice instead of Reggie Miller or Chris Webber.
   2327. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:19 PM (#5657763)
TL;DR: LeBron's still going to the Finals.

I think this is probably like 6-8:1. I think they're probably not better than 50/50 with Indy at this point, and then at that or less vs. Toronto and Philly. Some odds based on LeBron and Toronto possibly shitting the bed, but generally, yeah, Cleveland's in a tight spot.
   2328. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:29 PM (#5657773)
We need to get some kind of ruling on these competing "We the North" and "All Eyes North" slogans from Toronto and Minnesota.

On the one hand, Minneapolis is technically further North. On the other hand, Americans are bad at geography and probably think Toronto is further north.

Difficult issue. Would welcome expert opinions here.
   2329. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:39 PM (#5657777)
Toronto is further north than Minnesota . I mean, they aren't, but Toronto is the team of Canada, and Canada is, generally, farther north than Minnesota. This isn't about latitude, it's about frame of mind.
   2330. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:41 PM (#5657780)
I claim no particular standing or expertise, but I am an expat Wolves fan who lives in Toronto. And I'm with SPICEY here -- Canada is very much more "The North" than Minnesota.
   2331. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:41 PM (#5657781)
Also, can the Wolves please fire Thibodeau, please?
   2332. PJ Martinez Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5657791)
"We the North" is also just a better slogan than "All Eyes North."
   2333. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 21, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5657793)
"We the North" is also just a better slogan than "All Eyes North."

This. Between "We The North" and Jurassic park, the Raptors deserve success.
   2334. JC in DC Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:02 PM (#5657800)
Is that a fat Eddie Pinckney on Tibs' bench?
   2335. KronicFatigue Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:02 PM (#5657801)
I know it's not something they'd ever do, but should GS lose a game to give Steph some more time to come back?


Ironically, I might not put it past the Spurs to try it, if the roles were reversed. Seems like the smart play, figuring they'd still be heavy favorites up 3-1
   2336. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:07 PM (#5657805)
"We the North" is also just a better slogan than "All Eyes North."

This. Between "We The North" and Jurassic park, the Raptors deserve success.


Jurassic Park is a great point, as is the point about the slogans. Let's let Minnesota know that they have to change the slogan.

The NBA thread has ruled on the matter.
   2337. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:11 PM (#5657809)
First time seeing Utah's alternate court. Looks pretty cool.
   2338. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:15 PM (#5657812)
I love this Utah alternate floor, love the jerseys, but do not like the crowd wearing the color coded shirts.

Looks way too much like a cult meeting. Utah kind of has an issue with that as it is.
   2339. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5657815)
The 7UP is flowing in SLC tonight!
   2340. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5657825)
God, Utah's bench looked pretty shambolic there.

It's an interesting game, though.
   2341. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5657826)
Also, I decided to by a vintage Spurs shirt, vintage Nuggets shirt (the rainbow skyline natch), and Jazz Mitchell shirt here in the last 10 minutes. NBA Shop. It's the playoffs man, you gotta accessorize.
   2342. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5657829)
Utah's being way too loose with the ball, I also am not a fan of the let's make everyone wear a color coordinated shirt. This seems to happen even more in the playoffs.
   2343. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5657831)
I know people here hate on Paul George, but I'd totally have the Spurs give that dude the max. He gets you 20-25 points a game, shoots the 3 ball, can play lock down defense, and is a playoff performer (can score at a high usage with solid efficiency in iso situations.

Crowder, more than any other player in the NBA, has seen his value crater this year.
   2344. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5657832)
NBA playoff thread, you showed me some action at the start of this game, and I'm gonna need you to step up or else Paul George is gonna get into your ####.
   2345. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5657835)
Crowder, more than any other player in the NBA, has seen his value crater this year.


I dunno, Melo is still in the NBA ...
   2346. Tin Angel Posted: April 21, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5657837)
Looks way too much like a cult meeting. Utah kind of has an issue with that as it is.


Hey, they just watched Wild Wild Country like the rest of us.
   2347. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5657839)
Crowder's shooting has been awful with the Jazz, but his defense has been really good and the lineups very successful because of that.
   2348. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5657840)
This game is so huge. And Rubio is shooting with confidence! I really like when even mediocre guys do that. You can't have guys just refuse to shoot wide open shots. Oh man, such a fun series this is. It's like Philly/Miami but with actual basketball.
   2349. Booey Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5657852)
Man, the last 2 games of this series have seen Utah and OKC just keep taking turns going on 20-4 or 15-2 runs to gain, lose, then regain the lead. It's exhausting (in a good way).
   2350. aberg Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:31 PM (#5657856)
I wore my wolves Rubio shirt today. Working well on both accounts.
   2351. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:40 PM (#5657860)
Man, the last 2 games of this series have seen Utah and OKC just keep taking turns going on 20-4 or 15-2 runs to gain, lose, then regain the lead. It's exhausting (in a good way).


I think the thing is that both teams have talented defenses and mediocre, turnover-prone offenses. So it seems to lend itself to these kinds of runs.
   2352. tshipman Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:46 PM (#5657861)
Quin Snyder has killed someone. I'm pretty sure of this.
   2353. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5657864)
the Thunder are taking a lot of regular season shots...
   2354. Booey Posted: April 21, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5657865)
Quin Snyder has killed someone. I'm pretty sure of this.


Heh. Yep. He's got the crazy eyes. But he's OUR serial killer.
   2355. Booey Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:01 AM (#5657870)
Playoff RUBIO!!!!!!
   2356. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:01 AM (#5657871)
Quin Snyder has killed someone. I'm pretty sure of this.


This is the dumbest post in here. Like he's only killed one someone.

Also... RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBBBBBBBBBBBBIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOO
   2357. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:05 AM (#5657873)
I low how into it the UTH guys are because I remember when all the non-Utah fans were trying to explain to them that they would still be good without Hayward. Faith rewarded!
   2358. tshipman Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:11 AM (#5657878)
This is the dumbest post in here. Like he's only killed one someone.


yes :(
(hangs head in shame)

***

the flow in this game is weird and kind of off.
   2359. Booey Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:11 AM (#5657879)
I low how into it the UTH guys are because I remember when all the non-Utah fans were trying to explain to them that they would still be good without Hayward. Faith rewarded!


Yes, y'all KNEW Mitchell would average 20 ppg. ;-)

But yeah, I ended up being a lot more interested in the NBA this season than I expected to thanks to Spida and co.
   2360. tshipman Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:15 AM (#5657882)
   2361. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:26 AM (#5657887)
Utah has really gotten way too many good shots this half. A lot of that was while Adams was on the court, too.
   2362. Booey Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:37 AM (#5657891)
BOOM!!! :-D

Rubio with the triple double, Utah's first since Carlos Boozer in 2008, and their first in the postseason since Stockton (his only TD) in 2001.

Loved the balanced scoring attack. If Gobert would have scored 2 more points, the Jazz would have had four 20 pt scorers.

Spida with his 2nd double double of the series.
   2363. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:41 AM (#5657892)
Over/under on the number of shots Westbrook takes in Game 4: 21.5. I take the over.
   2364. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:42 AM (#5657893)
Thought Mitchell looked awful most of the night and still finished with 22 on 20 shots and 10 boards.

There's something extra nice about Rubio putting up a triple double and getting multiple chants in his name when it took him this long to just reach the playoffs.
   2365. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 22, 2018 at 02:09 AM (#5657899)
link
“There was literally no content on the web about athletes except for the good stories about superstars. Back in 2006, if you Googled a bench player, say Steve Blake, you’d get a hit from our site where we posted that Steve Blake was traded for cigarettes. We were proud of that!

There was also “Baltche,” which recalled the wholly Wizardsesque night when the team sent him out on the floor in a jersey with his name misspelled. The comprehensive sports garb blog UniWatch said at the time that the Baltche screw up “makes three uni mishaps in 33 days” for the Wizards.

By that March, however, Blatche was telling Saunders that he would rather not play at all than play defense the way Saunders wanted, and got suspended after he lent his name to a strip club promotion called Lap Dance Tuesday.

“I understand what people think because of the perception of me. They read the funny stuff, like me taking a crap in [teammate] Andray Blatche’s shoes. But nobody is going to ask what Andray did to deserve it.”

the politically astute sometime slam poet Etan Thomas

Arenas was known to yell out “Hibachi!” after shooting a jumper; Steinberg in 2007 learned that Jamison had come to shout “Fiji!” whenever he made a shot, and had also written “Fiji” in magic marker on his game shoes. Why Fiji? “When you think of water, you think of my jump shot,” Jamison told Steinberg.

“I think we made him a little weirder,” Stevenson told Steinberg.

Arenas publicly took a shot at teammate and non-clown Caron Butler after an early-season loss left the team with a 3-9 record. “For the most part we all get along,” Arenas said. “There are, what 15 players on the team? Fourteen do.” Abe Pollin died the next day.

...“I think the last thing Abe Pollin got to read before dying was that his two star players didn’t like each other,” Michael Lee, who now writes for Yahoo Sports, once told me.

In a 2012 interview, Arenas told Sports Illustrated that he’ll be remembered as the guy who “single-handedly destroyed the Washington Wizards franchise.”

The only players from the 2009-2010 squad still in the NBA—the last leaves from the tree whose roots grew out of Arenas’ weirdness—are McGee, Nick Young, and Shaun Livingston, which means that the surviving Wizards diaspora is somehow all together again with the defending NBA champion Golden State Warriors.

   2366. PJ Martinez Posted: April 22, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5657927)
Two free-agent thoughts that are connected to the playoff results so far, and possibly to each other:

1. Given OKC's current situation (in a dogfight against Utah, presumably facing Houston if they survive), has anyone else begun to assume that Paul George will, in fact, be a Laker next year? And if so, who do people think will join him?

2. Given New Orleans's strong showing so far, doesn't it make sense for the Pelicans to let Cousins walk? Is he getting the max? Where's he headed?
   2367. PJ Martinez Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5657960)
"It took Anthony Davis eight games to reach 250 career points in the postseason. The only player in NBA history to reach that mark in fewer games is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who did so in his seventh game."
   2368. JC in DC Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5657963)
One of the great things about sports is unpredictability. NO moving on after 4 games was unpredictable; geez, even them getting so good post-Cousins injury was. The developing 76er-Miami rivalry? That's a beautiful and unexpected thing. Now, we have the budding Rubio-Westbrook rivalry out West, with Westbrook promising to "shut that #### down" after Rubio outplayed him. I love this stuff.
   2369. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5657968)
Given OKC's current situation (in a dogfight against Utah, presumably facing Houston if they survive), has anyone else begun to assume that Paul George will, in fact, be a Laker next year? And if so, who do people think will join him?

I was actually discussing George to the Sixers with friends yesterday. Embiid-Saric-Covington-George-Simmons would be a hell of a lineup.
   2370. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 22, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5657971)
The developing 76er-Miami rivalry? That's a beautiful and unexpected thing. Now, we have the budding Rubio-Westbrook rivalry out West, with Westbrook promising to "shut that #### down" after Rubio outplayed him. I love this stuff.

This is why I was/am so anti 1-16 seeding. You want to increase the chances of rivalries developing and those happen when guys/teams have to face each other repeatedly. I think it's worth having any conference imbalance as far as Finals paths.
   2371. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 22, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5657985)
I was actually discussing George to the Sixers with friends yesterday. Embiid-Saric-Covington-George-Simmons would be a hell of a lineup.
obviously that's not a bad idea, but:

1: george isn't coming to PHI.
2: even though he's 6 years younger than lebron, if the choice is between him and lebron, i'm still going with lebron.

3: given the FA landscape this summer (a lot of decent role players, noone has any money to spend), if the sixers don't get lebron, they might be able to get some guys like will barton/tyreke evans/nerlens noel/lucas nogueira/avery bradley/davis bertans/rodney hood/kentavious caldwell-pope/julius randle/derrick favors to sign long term, below market deals.

it's not sexy, but doing that could lock in a rotation that's 10-12 deep for the next 5 years... and it would allow the sixers to reload their depth after trading for kawhi.
   2372. PJ Martinez Posted: April 22, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5657986)
it would allow the sixers to trade for kawhi without murdering their depth

I'm a fool for asking this, I realize, but what do you see as a plausible Philly package for Kawhi?
   2373. jmurph Posted: April 22, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5657989)
Milwaukee nightlife, still undefeated.
   2374. jmurph Posted: April 22, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5657990)
If anyone is concerned they're watching too much basketball lately, I encourage you to check out Celtics-Bucks for a few minutes. It will put you off the game for a while.
   2375. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 22, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5657991)
is greg monroe 300 lbs?
   2376. jmurph Posted: April 22, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5657997)
Quoting myself from game 3:
Boston appears to have realized they don't currently feature many good offensive options.

At least Indiana-Cleveland is a good series, so there's one in the East.
   2377. sardonic Posted: April 22, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5657999)
Watching a bit of the Boston Milwaukee game in the background as I clean the apartment, it does seem like the Celtics are really struggling to generate good looks. The defense has been good, but man do they miss Kyrie and Hayward. I hope that core gets a good shot next season, if Horford, Brown and Tatum are your 3rd through 5th options, and I think with that kind of depth Kyrie and Hayward are as legit high end options as, say, Lowry and DeRozan.
   2378. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 22, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5658002)
I'm a fool for asking this, I realize, but what do you see as a plausible Philly package for Kawhi?

two of the following:
fultz
covington
saric
10th overall pick

plus various other things coming and going as necessary.


since brett brown was a spurs assistant during kawhi's first two years, his window into this situation should be as good as anyone else in the league. teams have to turn over medical records, but they can hide a lot of other things. brown should be able to leverage his relationships with SAS's coaching staff, their front office, their medical staff, with players like parker/mills/green/ginobili (and he probably has some ins with kawhi's people, too) to get answers to questions that everyone else is just spitballing at.

if the sixers are out on kawhi, that should be a red/ish flag for the rest of the league.
   2379. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5658015)
God, Boston must suck, because Milwaukee sucks. That I know.
   2380. sardonic Posted: April 22, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5658016)
I think if Kawhi is on the block at all, it'd be a red flag. If all this is is Kawhi not wanting to go IT4 and desiring more financial security to risk his quad, I feel like this gets taken care of in the offseason with more time to rehab and get both sides comfortable with his health.

If they can't get to that point, I think other times will be rightfully reluctant to part with a large trade package. I could actually see a trade going down along STIGGLES's lines in that scenario, but I think that would be one in which the Spurs "win" the trade eventually. Or, more accurately, they both lose, along with the rest of the NBA because we don't see peak Kawhi anymore.
   2381. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5658028)
Thon Maker needs to get about 4 more rebounds per game. If he could do that, he may have a future in the NBA.
   2382. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5658031)
Eric Bledsoe is just playing like absolute garbage. Zero rebounds. 3-9 from the field.
   2383. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5658032)
Jaylen Brown is ballin folks
   2384. sardonic Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5658035)
If Jaylen Brown can still keep hitting step back 3s, he will be an All Star two way wing.
   2385. tshipman Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5658036)
Giannis needs to take a tip from LeBron and start embellishing the contact. He's getting mauled and getting zero calls.

I think if Kawhi is on the block at all, it'd be a red flag. If all this is is Kawhi not wanting to go IT4 and desiring more financial security to risk his quad, I feel like this gets taken care of in the offseason with more time to rehab and get both sides comfortable with his health.


Not my observation, but I can't remember where I saw it:
If the Spurs shop Kawhi, they're going to try to tell teams it's about his health and not his attitude. It's hilarious how many red flags that should trigger.
   2386. sardonic Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5658039)
I'm probably overreacting, and also definitely a Cal homer, but is it obvious that Jaylen Brown's upside is less than Ben Simmons's? Long, explosive athlete, profiles as a lockdown wing defender, has made tremendous strides shooting the three, and by all accounts has a great attitude.
   2387. JC in DC Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5658041)
I hate the Celtics black uniforms. Hate them.
   2388. JC in DC Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5658042)
That was almost offensive interference. Huge play by Giannis.
   2389. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5658043)
2386--not really comparable players imo...
   2390. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5658044)
The Bucks almost snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Huge corner 3 from Brogdon. That Giannis tip in was only the 2nd offensive rebound by Milwaukee in the game. Good grief they suck at rebounding.
   2391. tshipman Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5658050)
I'm probably overreacting, and also definitely a Cal homer, but is it obvious that Jaylen Brown's upside is less than Ben Simmons's? Long, explosive athlete, profiles as a lockdown wing defender, has made tremendous strides shooting the three, and by all accounts has a great attitude.


Yes.

Simmons is a #1 option *right now* despite having huge limitations in his game. He can guard multiple positions very well and his biggest need for growth (shooting) is something we know that players can get better at.

Jaylen Brown has shown good growth, but still gets assisted on the majority of his shots. 96% of his shot attempts come within 6 seconds. He's generated just 46 3pers, and can't run a pick and roll.
   2392. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5658051)
I'm probably overreacting, and also definitely a Cal homer, but is it obvious that Jaylen Brown's upside is less than Ben Simmons's? Long, explosive athlete, profiles as a lockdown wing defender, has made tremendous strides shooting the three, and by all accounts has a great attitude.

Yeah. I think Simmons profiles as a bit better of a defender because he can guard more positions, although Brown will be very good there. Simmons gets way more rebounds (Brown averaged just 4.9/game) and the passing is really critical. I think Brown has a likely trajectory to be similar to pre-injury Paul George. That's a great player. Simmons has the potential to be a top 3-5 player in the league though, and I just don't see that from Brown. For Brown to get there he'll have to either really up his usage and passing both.

I do think that Brown and Tatum both have paths to being like on the 2nd or 3rd team all-NBA, which is why I think generally I'd take them + the warchest of picks (I assume Boston still has these) over Simmons.
   2393. Tin Angel Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5658052)
If the Spurs shop Kawhi, they're going to try to tell teams it's about his health and not his attitude. It's hilarious how many red flags that should trigger.


Huh? Why do you think they would do this...because it's the exact opposite of what would get the biggest haul for Kawhi. If they say it's his attitude, or an issue with the front office, everyone will just use the "change of scenery" narrative and will assume the problem will be solved if he leaves the Spurs. If they say it's health, they'll get very little (so like twice as much as what Stiggles usually offers).
   2394. tshipman Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5658055)
Patty Mills is playing pretty dangerously at the start of the game. Needs to cut that out.
   2395. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5658056)
I think if Kawhi is on the block at all, it'd be a red flag. If all this is is Kawhi not wanting to go IT4 and desiring more financial security to risk his quad, I feel like this gets taken care of in the offseason with more time to rehab and get both sides comfortable with his health.


the most benign interpretation of what happened is this:
kawhi was injured
SAS's medical staff gave him the green light to come back
his injury recurred
SAS's medical staff gave him the green light again
he saw what happened to isaiah thomas
despite being healthy, he decided to sit out until signing an extension
SAS wanted to see him play before offering the extension
they hit an impasse
SAS got frustrated
frustration boiled over and the relationship soured beyond repair

Not my observation, but I can't remember where I saw it:
If the Spurs shop Kawhi, they're going to try to tell teams it's about his health and not his attitude. It's hilarious how many red flags that should trigger.
@ryenarussillo
Based on conversations w/ NBA guys the Spurs are selling the idea that Kawhi is legitimately hurt, not disgruntled to keep his value higher. Think about that.

@ryenarussillo
As @WindhorstESPN has already reported, teams will be lining up but it depends on how many teams will be on his list. More teams, price goes up. LeBron’s future is possibly tied to this. Philly would have to move Fultz and more.

it makes some sense as long as kawhi is healthy.
   2396. tshipman Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5658057)
Huh? Why do you think they would do this...because it's the exact opposite of what would get the biggest haul for Kawhi. If they say it's his attitude, or an issue with the front office, everyone will just use the "change of scenery" narrative and will assume the problem will be solved if he leaves the Spurs. If they say it's health, they'll get very little (so like twice as much as what Stiggles usually offers).


Because if Kawhi will only play for a couple teams, and will be unhappy if he doesn't get the supermax, it puts the Spurs over a barrel.
   2397. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5658058)
Warriors are being way too loose with the ball. It won't matter, of course, because the Spurs cannot score against an athletic defense.
   2398. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5658059)
I still hold out some hope the Kawhi thing can be mended. We'll see, he's always seemed a bit of a guy who did his own thing than really bought into the Spurs culture, I think he said he won't be taking any discounts like Duncan and the rest did. But, he's been on the team for a long ass time. This has been a frustrating year because the Warriors are a bit vulnerable, the Rockets are struggling in the playoffs right now, and you could see a scenario where if Kawhi played like he did last year the Spurs could win a title. But, give it some time for the emotions to cool down.
   2399. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5658061)
Boston makes a lot of sense for Kawhi. He's no Justice Winslow, but I'd happy take one of Tatum/Brown plus some picks. Rozier too, or maybe Smart to be the new Danny Green.
   2400. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 22, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5658062)
I don't see why saying Kawhi is hurt would affect his trade value much. We've got like 6 months between now and when he'll be playing real basketball again. Unless there's strong reasons to suspect he won't be the same post-injury, but I really don't think there are many injuries like that. And I wouldn't think anything with a quad would be one.
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