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Saturday, February 17, 2018

OT - 2017-18 NBA thread (All-Star Weekend to End of Time edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  eliminationist rhetoric and precognition.

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   2701. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 09:58 PM (#5660603)
Big fan of Jae "Steph Curry" Crowder
   2702. aberg Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:00 PM (#5660605)
Love is playing with a sprained shooting hand. I agree that he needs to be better for them to go far, but it might not happen unless he heals up.
   2703. Conor Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:01 PM (#5660608)
Which was only the the 2nd worst thing the Knicks did involving Allan Houston's contract, the first being (as I'm sure you know), NOT applying the "Allan Houston rule" to get out of it.

Yes, the Knicks are so poorly managed that the NBA tries to make rules to help them, and the Knicks still fail to mitigate.


They actually played that one correctly, he had to retire due to injuries, so his salary didn't count against the tax, and they used it on Jerome Williams instead
   2704. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:03 PM (#5660610)
The only east team that has looked at all impressive is the 76ers.

and even then, what's most impressive about the sixers is how decisively they beat the heat despite not playing particularly well.
Nice of LeBron to give the Cleveland fans one more amazing moment before he goes to Philadelphia.
i want lebron in the ECF. i want to crush him so that when he gets here, he'll already know he's the 3rd guy in the pecking order.
if hinkie was given complete autonomy to run the nuggets for the next 3 years, no strings attached, what would he do?
Put a real damper on the next two years of Jokic's life.
that's not exactly an answer.

   2705. aberg Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:10 PM (#5660618)
My guess for what Hinkie would do in Denver is sign Jokic to the RFA max, keep Murray and Harris, and try to get value for every other asset (plumlee, Barton, Chandler, etc). That might involve resigning guys and taking them later, like Ujiri has done. They'd have to draft really well. They're kind of in the same spot as the wolves where finances mean they'll be as good as their top 3 guys can make them.
   2706. JC in DC Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5660625)
Seriously - is there any way I can watch the OKC game?
   2707. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:19 PM (#5660627)
   2708. PJ Martinez Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5660630)
i want to crush him so that when he gets here, he'll already know he's the 3rd guy in the pecking order.

Simmons and Embiid have done a pretty good job so far of kissing the ring; the courting has clearly begun.

My hunch has been that, from a Philly perspective, the earlier the Cavs lose the better. LeBron obviously cares a great deal about his narrative, and the narrative of him going to Philly, it seems to me, would be "I have a lot to teach these youngsters, and I'm going to pass it along to them as we take over the league together for the next few years." In which case, it's better if he doesn't see himself as an unstoppable force anymore.

On the other hand, maybe he'll never cease to see himself as an unstoppable force.
   2709. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM (#5660631)
15-point lead and the Jazz have made a bunch of unforced turnovers too. I think Gobert is completely in Westbrook's head.

Also JC, 2707 works. r/nbastreams on reddit is great for streaming basically any game, and they typically work even better than NBA League Pass which is somehow still awful.
   2710. JC in DC Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5660635)
Guys: I'm ignorant. I followed the link, clicked on something, and got offered extensions to add to my browser. How do I get to the game. And thanks in advance!
   2711. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5660636)
I'd just like to point out that, in the last 30 seconds of a tied playoff game, the refs completely botched 2 non-subjective calls.* Both of which were immediately followed by a dead ball but no replay review, even though a single viewing with a decent camera angle would show each call was clearly wrong. What the heck is the point of having replay if it isn't utilized in these circumstances? I know basketball is the hardest sport to officiate, but the refs' performance in these playoffs seems especially poor. And I say that as someone whose team isn't even involved.

*First, Thad Young swatted the ball out of LeBron's hand, with the ball landing squarely on the baseline. The refs missed this, and then called it Indiana ball after LeBron subsequently had the ball go off his hand and further out of bounds. Second, Oladipo drove to the rim and laid the ball up off the glass, only to be "blocked" by LeBron. The refs deemed this a clean block rather than a goaltend, and the Cavs called timeout to advance the ball. Does the NBA still have the ridiculous rule that a goaltend is reviewable if called a goaltend on the court and not reviewable otherwise?
   2712. Tin Angel Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5660638)
Guys: I'm ignorant. I followed the link, clicked on something, and got offered extensions to add to my browser. How do I get to the game. And thanks in advance!


You might have to click the link again. Most places like that the first link usually opens ads or whatever. Click on it again and it should open.
   2713. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5660640)
I'd just like to point out that, in the last 30 seconds of a tied playoff game, the refs completely botched 2 non-subjective calls.* Both of which were immediately followed by a dead ball but no replay review, even though a single viewing with a decent camera angle would show each call was clearly wrong. What the heck is the point of having replay if it isn't utilized in these circumstances? I know basketball is the hardest sport to officiate, but the refs' performance in these playoffs seems especially poor. And I say that as someone whose team isn't even involved.
i thought i was ready for FULL DADDY'S LITTLE GLOVE MAN; i was not ready for FULL DADDY'S LITTLE GLOVE MAN.
   2714. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5660641)
JC, click on the velocityraps feed in that link. That streamer doesn't have any popups or requests for extensions.
   2715. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5660642)
Guys: I'm ignorant. I followed the link, clicked on something, and got offered extensions to add to my browser. How do I get to the game. And thanks in advance!

Yeah, if you look at the Verified Streamers table at the top of the page, it'll tell you how many pop-ups you have to close before the game will play. Hit the play button and close the ensuing pop-up once or twice and the game should work.
   2716. JC in DC Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5660645)
Ok. that seems to have worked. Had to get past some erotic anime or something.
   2717. JC in DC Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5660650)
Holy crap, the picture quality is fantastic. Thanks, guys.
   2718. PJ Martinez Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5660657)
Does the NBA still have the ridiculous rule that a goaltend is reviewable if called a goaltend on the court and not reviewable otherwise?

If no call is made, there is nothing that can be reviewed, as I understand it.
   2719. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5660665)
Holy crap, the picture quality is fantastic. Thanks, guys.

yeah, they're doing great things with sports streams on the internet these days. Glad you were able to get it to work.
   2720. Tin Angel Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5660671)
Rubio's vertical on his jump shot is like six inches.
   2721. JC in DC Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:56 PM (#5660675)
4 straight nothing possessions by Westbrook. Out of control, TO, or empty possessions leading to easy Utah buckets.
   2722. jmurph Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5660676)
If/when George leaves, they have no cap space to replace him (assuming Carmelo opts in, which seems like a very safe assumption). Going to be a very interesting summer for OKC.
   2723. Booey Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5660678)
I get that Crowder isn't normally a great 3 pt shooter, but when he's already hit 6 this game, maybe you should start, I don't know, trying to guard him?
   2724. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:01 PM (#5660680)
yeah, they're doing great things with sports streams on the internet these days. Glad you were able to get it to work.


And every time I try out League Pass it's awful. I would gladly pay for it if it worked as well as MLB TV (which I do buy), but free streams are so much better.
   2725. JC in DC Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:01 PM (#5660681)
Man, OKC has totally quit on the defensive end. They're not closing out, or playing with urgency.
   2726. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5660683)
The Thunder are just laying down. At home! Paul George is gone. I guess what you do with Donovan depends on what Russ and Adams think. But this series wasn’t over, you shouldn’t just be laying down like this.
   2727. Booey Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5660684)
Not happy with that phantom foul on Melo's brick that send Rudy to the bench, though.

Not that it's going to matter.
   2728. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5660685)
On the other hand, maybe he'll never cease to see himself as to be an unstoppable force.

On the other other hand, maybe he'll never cease to be an unstoppable force.

I actually don't think Philly is a good fit for LeBron in that Simmons needs to ball a lot. Simmons has a chance to be special but he needs the ball in his hands a lot just as LeBron does.
   2729. aberg Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:05 PM (#5660687)
Okc truly mailing it in.

Ok. that seems to have worked. Had to get past some erotic anime or something.


Pretty sure those ads are targeted based on browsing history ;)
   2730. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5660689)
I actually don't think Philly is a good fit for LeBron in that Simmons needs to ball a lot. Simmons has a chance to be special but he needs the ball in his hands a lot just as LeBron does.


Man, if you think Harden and Paul worked some beautiful plays together.....
   2731. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5660692)
The fourth fouls on Gobert and Favors were absolutely ridiculous. Gobert wasn't even within a foot of making contact with Melo and if anything George lowered his shoulder into Favors.
   2732. Tin Angel Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5660693)
Ekpe!
   2733. Booey Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:13 PM (#5660696)
Dammit, NOW that phantom 4th foul on Gobert is starting to look like it might matter...
   2734. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:17 PM (#5660700)
Good thing the refs are here to save the Thunder. George throws his shoulder and elbows almost every single play and they call that on Gobert?
   2735. KronicFatigue Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5660711)
They actually played that one correctly, he had to retire due to injuries, so his salary didn't count against the tax, and they used it on Jerome Williams instead


Interesting. Never knew they made the right decision. I tried researching it but I can't find anything that calculates the final numbers. Insurance paid for Houston's entire salary and thus there was zero luxury tax implications?
   2736. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5660714)
Ah, home court in the NBA, the gift that keeps on giving. If this game were anywhere else but Oklahoma City, the Thunder would have been whistled off the court by now. Credit where credit's due, though. This comeback has been jaw-dropping.
   2737. Booey Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:35 PM (#5660716)
And now a ridiculous 5th foul on Favors when he jumped straight up. Awesome.
   2738. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5660717)
Ah, home court in the NBA, the gift that keeps on giving. If this game were anywhere else but Oklahoma City, the Thunder would have been whistled off the court by now. credit where credit's due, though. This comeback has been jaw-dropping.


Yeah, Thunder have taken advantage and Jazz have collapsed, but these refs enabled it by taking Gobert and Favors out of the game with BS calls.

And I didn't see a replay, but if Adams threw an elbow how is that a double tech? It didn't look like it was at the head so shouldn't be an ejection, but giving Crowder equal punishment is ridiculous.
   2739. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:45 PM (#5660721)
And I didn't see a replay, but if Adams threw an elbow how is that a double tech? It didn't look like it was at the head so shouldn't be an ejection, but giving Crowder equal punishment is ridiculous.
It shouldn't be, but OKC is instigating everything at this point, and it's working. They're basically doing what the Heat did against Philly, except they're following it up with buckets.

Oooh, another three by Westbrook, and he's talking. He's alive with flavor.
   2740. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:45 PM (#5660722)
Kenny Smith said something that I didn't know...If the ball is under the rim and it hits the backboard, you can still block it? Is that true?

That should have been called a goaltend but I am not sure about that rule.
   2741. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5660724)
Gobert needed to dunk that. You can smell the desperation from Utah.

And another bucket by Westbrook.
   2742. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:56 PM (#5660726)
Gobert won't challenge any Westbrook shot, though it might not matter the way Westbrook is shooting. Hope the Jazz come out for game six.
   2743. Booey Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:00 AM (#5660731)
The Thunder deserve a lot of credit for not folding, and the Jazz deserve a lot of criticism for not being able to regain their composure...but man, it's amazing how much a couple of calls can change the momentum of a game.
   2744. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:03 AM (#5660734)
If I'm the Jazz, I'd complain bitterly about the officiating. They need to convince themselves they were boned, robbed by the league and by home court whistles, because that's a lot better than thinking about how they blew a 25-point lead.

If I'm the Thunder, I'd nail Carmelo to the bench.
   2745. Booey Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:04 AM (#5660736)
Smartest adjustment by the Thunder? Only letting Melo take 6 shots.
   2746. Tin Angel Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:23 AM (#5660745)
Budenholzer let go by the Hawks. Yeah, he’s the problem there.
   2747. Tin Angel Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:44 AM (#5660748)
Too late to edit but they apparently mutually decided to part ways.
   2748. SteveF Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:54 AM (#5660756)
Kenny Smith said something that I didn't know...If the ball is under the rim and it hits the backboard, you can still block it? Is that true?

That depends on the trajectory of the ball. If the ball is still on the way up, then you cannot touch the ball after it hits the backboard provided there's a chance the ball could go in the hoop.
   2749. tshipman Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:57 AM (#5660758)
Budenholzer let go by the Hawks. Yeah, he’s the problem there.


I dunno that he's the problem, necessarily, but he's probably not the answer for the Hawks.

There's a lot of good coaches out there. Not really clear to me at all that Budenholzer is the best available.
   2750. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:03 AM (#5660812)
I think I'd be giving Budenholzer a call if I were the Bucks.
   2751. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5660819)
There was talk Budenholzer wasn't interested in a rebuild, but there was also talk he was interested in Phoenix (which he apparently bowed out from) and the Knicks. So I don't know! I guess in theory those two teams are further along than the Hawks, given they've both been rebuilding for several years now.
   2752. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5660834)
That depends on the trajectory of the ball. If the ball is still on the way up, then you cannot touch the ball after it hits the backboard provided there's a chance the ball could go in the hoop.

I thought the college rule is once it hits the backboard it's goaltending, but in the NBA all that matter is if it's still going up. Iow not a goaltend.
   2753. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:30 AM (#5660840)
On phone, so just Wikipedia:

In basketball, goaltending is the violation of interfering with the ball while it is on its way to the basket and it is (a) in a downward flight, (b) entirely above the rim and has the possibility of entering the basket, and (c) not touching the rim.[1][2][3] In NCAA basketball, WNBA and NBA basketball, goaltending is also called if the ball has already touched the backboard while being above the height of the rim in its flight, regardless of whether it being in an upward or downward flight or whether it is directly above the rim.[4][5]


Sounds like it was a good block if I'm reading that right (and my last post might not be totally correct).
   2754. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:32 AM (#5660843)
Actual rule

Section I—A Player Shall Not:

a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base or hang on the rim while the ball is passing through. EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.

b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.

c. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.

d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.


So I'm wrong.
   2755. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:38 AM (#5660849)
Thanks, Moses. I'd love to know if the refs missed it because (a) they didn't know the full rules or (b) they just didn't see it live.
   2756. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5660853)
It A. required the super slow-mo replay to see it was probably a goaltend and B. it was LeBron in C. a big moment at D. home. So my guess is it was a benefit of the doubt thing rather than a failure to know the rules or interpret them correctly.
   2757. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5660863)
Budenholzer is now my number 1 choice for the Bucks, based on him being a pretty good coach and also seeming to fit the owners' desire to get someone with head coaching experience.

I would be happy with Nick Nurse or some other hot assistant too, but I would be surprised if they go that way. As far as guys with experience and not retreads like Mark Jackson or JVG, I think Bud > Fizdale.
   2758. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5660864)
They could have felt it didn't have a chance to go it, so a non reviewable judgement call? Or at least they might claim that after the fact.
   2759. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5660874)
[2756] Probably right.

I want the Knicks to give Bud a blank check.
   2760. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5660876)
They could have felt it didn't have a chance to go it, so a non reviewable judgement call?

During the broadcast they said it could only be reviewed if it was called? I have no idea if that's true.
   2761. Booey Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5660924)
Thanks, Moses. I'd love to know if the refs missed it because (a) they didn't know the full rules or (b) they just didn't see it live.


Or:

C) they just didn't want to call it. At that point in the game, in Cleveland, against LeBron, etc.

(I'm not saying that's what happened - in real time I couldn't tell if it was a goaltend either - just that it's a legit 3rd possibility)

Edit: oops, partial coke to jmurph
   2762. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5660929)

C) they just didn't want to call it. At that point in the game, in Cleveland, against LeBron, etc.


I don't think that's true. I think the refs want to get the calls right, even the preening jackasses. It was a bang bang play and with how it played out, both of their hands were right there it was really difficult to have a good view of it. I'm pretty ok with them missing calls that require super slow-mo to realize it was missed.

That LeBron shot was special.

And Utah, what the #### man. I was holding off on saying OKC rolled over, because basketball is a game of runs, but then I said it, and sure enough. Gotta give Russ and George credit.
   2763. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5660930)
I actually don't think Philly is a good fit for LeBron in that Simmons needs to ball a lot. Simmons has a chance to be special but he needs the ball in his hands a lot just as LeBron does.

the way i see it, you treat lebron like he's lou williams. give him the ball in the last two minutes of each quarter, and for the last 6-10 minutes of the game, but for the rest of the game, treat him like a 3 and D wing.

that lets the sixers carve out a pretty big role for ben simmons, while letting lebron conserve energy throughout the year, as he ages.
   2764. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5660936)
Yeah, put me in the bucket that I'd rather see Simmons develop on his own without LeBron. I think Kawhi or George would be better fits on that team. And the ages line up a little better anyway.
   2765. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5660939)
Budenholzer is now my number 1 choice for the Bucks, based on him being a pretty good coach and also seeming to fit the owners' desire to get someone with head coaching experience.

I would be happy with Nick Nurse or some other hot assistant too, but I would be surprised if they go that way. As far as guys with experience and not retreads like Mark Jackson or JVG, I think Bud > Fizdale.
budenholzer is pretty clearly the bucks best option now.

if you can coach that group up on offense and get them to play up to their potential on defense, that's a 50-55+ win team. based on his initial performance in atlanta, when they were alot better than anyone expected, it seems like budenholzer is likely to be able to do that.

it'd be a great fit.
   2766. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5660943)
The fourth fouls on Gobert and Favors were absolutely ridiculous. Gobert wasn't even within a foot of making contact with Melo and if anything George lowered his shoulder into Favors.
i thought i was ready for FULL TOM CERVIX; i was not ready for FULL TON CERVIX

Ah, home court in the NBA, the gift that keeps on giving. If this game were anywhere else but Oklahoma City, the Thunder would have been whistled off the court by now. Credit where credit's due, though. This comeback has been jaw-dropping.
i thought i was ready for FULL LA PODBIEVER; i was not ready for FULL LAP DEAVER.
The Thunder deserve a lot of credit for not folding, and the Jazz deserve a lot of criticism for not being able to regain their composure...but man, it's amazing how much a couple of calls can change the momentum of a game.
i thought i was ready for FULL BOUIEY; i was not ready for full BOOYAY.
   2767. The Good Face Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5660946)
the way i see it, you treat lebron like he's lou williams. give him the ball in the last two minutes of each quarter, and for the last 6-10 minutes of the game, but for the rest of the game, treat him like a 3 and D wing.


Aside from the issue of getting LeBron to accept that, what makes you think he's willing/able to play high intensity D on an everyday basis at this stage of his career?

I actually think LeBron would be a better fit in LA. The Lakers have young guys that can defend and don't have an alpha dog who's going to clash with old LeBron over roles. And they're probably roughly a .500 team with their current roster. Good enough that adding a superstar could really let them make a push, but not so good that you're worrying about roles and who fits with whom all the time.
   2768. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5660949)
Yeah, put me in the bucket that I'd rather see Simmons develop on his own without LeBron. I think Kawhi or George would be better fits on that team. And the ages line up a little better anyway.

george seems unlikely to come to philly.
kawhi would cost more than just cash.

signing lebron will significantly raise the likelihood that the sixers win a title. taking any other position on this issue is just finding creative ways to be wrong.
   2769. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5660968)
Aside from the issue of getting LeBron to accept that, what makes you think he's willing/able to play high intensity D on an everyday basis at this stage of his career?

nothing.

but it's also not necessary. that sixers lineup (simmons/covington/lebron/saric/embiid) could win 50 games without lebron ever crossing half court.

i'd expect lebron to step his defensive intensity up when games matter, but the rest of the time? he can cover tony snell and erin baynes.


lebron's 33 years old, he led the NBA in minutes this year and his usage % was 32. it's not some shocking revelation that he didn't have anything left to give on defense.

with the sixers, lebron can play 28 MPG instead of 37; he can have a 27% usage instead of 32%. that's a lot of energy, a lot of miles to be able to keep in reserve. with his size, instincts and experience, if he has a little more energy, he can still make a big impact on defense.
   2770. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5660971)
I wouldn't mind the Sixers getting the agéd Bron for, say, the last two years of the guy's career: but count me with everybody else who'd rather watch them develop the next couple of years without him....
   2771. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5660976)
signing lebron will significantly raise the likelihood that the sixers win a title. taking any other position on this issue is just finding creative ways to be wrong.

Yeah this is correct, you sign LeBron if you can, no matter what team you are. Also it's not like he's going to sign a 4 year max, he'll do the 1+1 or whatever, so the age thing probably doesn't matter.

George would also be a great fit- I've been impressed with him in the 2nd banana role.
   2772. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:17 AM (#5660990)
& I'd enjoy the Lakers getting a late-period Bron who proved to have not quiiiiiiiite enough left in the tank to carry them past the conference finals....
   2773. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5661002)
2771--I agree about George; a way of restating my earlier OKC complaint would be just to say that with a big 3 of Westbrook, George and Adams, flaming out in the first round is not acceptable, even in the 2018 Western conference.

I don't really care, or know enough to decide whether Presti or Donovan is the primary culprit. (How many games better are the Thunder with Kanter & McDermott replacing Melo?)
   2774. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5661003)
I would be happy with Nick Nurse or some other hot assistant too


No way is that a real person.
   2775. The Good Face Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5661011)
with the sixers, lebron can play 28 MPG instead of 37; he can have a 27% usage instead of 32%. that's a lot of energy, a lot of miles to be able to keep in reserve. with his size, instincts and experience, if he has a little more energy, he can still make a big impact on defense.


I just don't see late career LeBron accepting a role of standing around the perimeter on offense and grinding hard on defense. At least not on an everyday basis.
   2776. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5661014)
Late career LeBron is probably still a few years away. I agree that while he will likely want more help, he's not going from this amount of PT to something significantly less.

Yeah this is correct, you sign LeBron if you can, no matter what team you are. Also it's not like he's going to sign a 4 year max, he'll do the 1+1 or whatever, so the age thing probably doesn't matter.

I'm not saying they shouldn't if he wants to go there, or that Philly fans shouldn't want him. Me, as a LeBron fan and also a Simmons fan (who doesn't like Philly), I don't want LeBron in Philly.
   2777. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5661020)
also:

i would not be shocked if lebron "retires".


there are other things he can do, that he's good at doing, that are more important than playing basketball, and he may not be ready to leave cleveland.


and to throw one more piece of baseless speculation out there:

we know that dan gilbert has floated the idea of selling the cavs. if lebron "retires", he can spend the next 6 months getting an ownership group together, while driving down the cost it'll take to buy the cavs from gilbert.
   2778. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5661033)
I just don't see late career LeBron accepting a role of standing around the perimeter on offense and grinding hard on defense. At least not on an everyday basis.

everyday isn't an issue. half of the games will be over before the 4th quarter.

"grinding hard on defense" isn't the bar he needs to clear. he just needs to be active and aware. the sixers have covington to defend curry (or harden), they have simmons to defend durant (or paul). lebron just needs to defend draymond (or trevor ariza). that's doable.

"standing around the perimeter on offense" is harsh given that my plan would rely on him as a closer. and let's not act like he's any less of a threat, even in that role. as a cutter, as a spot-up shooter, as a screen-setter, he's pretty damn great.
   2779. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5661035)
Me, as a LeBron fan and also a Simmons fan (who doesn't like Philly), I don't want LeBron in Philly.

Co-sign each of these things.
   2780. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5661042)
stiggles you seem to be wanting to both get LeBron and also be right on some philosophical level, but the fact is he's not going to a team to do the things you're suggesting he should do. If he goes to Philly he is going to be option 1, regardless of what he writes in the Player's Tribune piece or announces in his instagram video.
   2781. The Good Face Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5661100)
stiggles you seem to be wanting to both get LeBron and also be right on some philosophical level, but the fact is he's not going to a team to do the things you're suggesting he should do. If he goes to Philly he is going to be option 1, regardless of what he writes in the Player's Tribune piece or announces in his instagram video.


This.
   2782. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 26, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5661110)
i thought i was ready for FULL LA PODBIEVER
The FULL HOMBRE retired when Kobe snapped his Achilles way back when.
   2783. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5661144)
The Knicks have apparently interviewed Celtics assistant Jay Larranaga, who is very highly regarded.
   2784. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5661145)
stiggles you seem to be wanting to both get LeBron and also be right on some philosophical level, but the fact is he's not going to a team to do the things you're suggesting he should do. If he goes to Philly he is going to be option 1, regardless of what he writes in the Player's Tribune piece or announces in his instagram video.

if lebron is satisfied with the way he's playing, he'll stay in cleveland or he'll go to LA.

if he goes anywhere else that's been rumored (PHI, HOU, SAS, GSW), it's because he doesn't want to carry an entire franchise on his back anymore...again.


if lebron chooses PHI, it's for two reasons:
1: win another title
2: anoint joel embiid and, especially, ben simmons

to be clear, he'll be here to do those things in that order, but he's also not coming here to (intentionally or otherwise) turn ben simmons into tristian thompson.
   2785. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5661149)
Okay so you've moved (miles) away from this initial post then?
the way i see it, you treat lebron like he's lou williams. give him the ball in the last two minutes of each quarter, and for the last 6-10 minutes of the game, but for the rest of the game, treat him like a 3 and D wing.

Otherwise, sure, if he does actually leave Cleveland it's because he knows he needs more help than he's currently getting. I think that's something we can all agree on.
   2786. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5661151)
How good would Utah be if they added LeBron next year? Real, real good, is my guess. Not sure who they'd have to give up to fit him under the cap, though.
   2787. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5661153)
I now fully understand why whispers about the Philadelphia 76ers and their growing behind-the-scenes confidence that they can woo LeBron to Philly this summer are getting louder.

it's in (the online only edition of) the new york times, so it must be true.
   2788. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5661156)
Okay so you've moved (miles) away from this initial post then?
not really.

giving lebron the green light for 10-15 minutes per game is a significant difference from expecting him to carry 14 scrubs through 48 minutes.

it also leaves plenty of room for simmons and embiid (though maybe not fultz or saric) to carry the load for the other ~30 minutes.
   2789. TFTIO is Lounging from the flat one Posted: April 26, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5661157)
x
How good would x be if they added LeBron next year? Real, real good, is my guess. Not sure who they'd have to give up to fit him under the cap, though.
   2790. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5661173)
giving lebron the green light for 10-15 minutes per game

Yeah I just don't think this is how things work. You're talking about LeBron like he's Gary Harris or something.
   2791. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 26, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5661190)
Yeah, if you get LeBron you are agreeing he's the coach. He makes personnel decisions, decides on playing time, and runs the offense at least.
   2792. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: April 26, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5661201)
Yeah, if you get LeBron you are agreeing he's the coach. He makes personnel decisions, decides on playing time, and runs the offense at least.


So perfect for Minnesota then?
   2793. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 26, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5661204)
OK. Let me tell you the story. At the time, there’s something called Bigen. Bigen was taking over. You would see guys like Rick Ross and LeBron, different guys were wearing the Bigen in their beards or their hairlines, trying to get their hairlines together.

So my barber at the time was like, ‘Yo Booz I think we could do the Bigen on you and you could get your hairline back.’ I’m like, ‘Eh, I like being bald. I like my look.’ Over about three or four or five weeks, he kept talking to me about it.

So we’re about to play Boston the next day, in Boston. We had a few All-Stars, they got a few All-Stars. Nationally televised game. I was was having a hell of game. I think I had a 20-20 game.

Long story short, my man got the wrong shade. Like super dark. Hella dark. I didn’t even know. I’m just enjoying my cut, I’m on the phone. Then I go look in the mirror and I’m like WHOA. So I grab a bunch of shampoo, I try to wash this thing out like seven times. And it had stained my head so bad it wouldn’t come out. So I had to grin and wear it man. I got cracked on heavy til it washed out.

At the end of the day, everybody makes mistakes sometimes, and that’s one of the mistakes I made. I’ll never do it again, I’ll tell you that.
   2794. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: April 26, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5661221)
2793:

here's video of boozer explaining what happened.
   2795. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5661237)
So there's one game tonight after four yesterday? Weird scheduling. And I know they're presumably avoiding the NFL draft to some degree but surely those NBA TV games aren't exactly racking up eyeballs anyway?
   2796. PJ Martinez Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5661251)
I know it's already been said, but the notion of "giving LeBron the green light" is legitimately one of the funniest things I've read on here.
   2797. Booey Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5661254)
How good would Utah be if they added LeBron next year? Real, real good, is my guess.


They'd be awesome.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Edit: And yeah, you could say the same about lots of teams.
   2798. Booey Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5661261)
I'll love to see LeBron just keep signing a bunch of 1 year deals, each with a different team, just to see how many franchises he could will to a title.

Edit: Pretty sure that idea has been mentioned here before, but it sounds more and more appealing each time I think about it.
   2799. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5661290)
So there's one game tonight after four yesterday? Weird scheduling. And I know they're presumably avoiding the NFL draft to some degree but surely those NBA TV games aren't exactly racking up eyeballs anyway?

I don't think they're avoiding the draft, it's just that the other series are finished already. Tonight was supposed to be game 6 of SAS/GSW and MIA/PHI too.
   2800. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5661296)
I've been on the LeBron-as-gunslinger train for a while. If LeBron really wanted to rack up championships, he should go around the league signing a minimum-ish deal with that year's team, steamroll the league, and make it back in the kind of endorsement money you'd get for winning 8 championships in 10 years, say.
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