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OT - 2017-18 NBA thread (All-Star Weekend to End of Time edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  eliminationist rhetoric and precognition.

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   4801. PJ Martinez Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:27 PM (#5678535)
The techs, I think, were technically correct, but it was weird that the guy who threw the first shove (so to speak) ended up helping his team.
   4802. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5678536)
Agreed, but Morris should be smart enough to avoid that. His team was up, what, 13 at that point? Just STFU and play ball.
   4803. PJ Martinez Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:32 PM (#5678537)
For sure. (And they were up 16, I think. Cavs went on a 12-3 run after the dust-up.)
   4804. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:34 PM (#5678540)
LBJ is doing nothing right now. Just standing still on both ends. Saving himself for second half?
   4805. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:39 PM (#5678545)
Before that timeout, I just watched James on both ends. He just looked exhausted (understandably, of course). Walking up and down the court. Crossing into the offensive zone late, like late career KAJ. I think he might actually be human. I think.
   4806. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5678555)
I brought this up a few days ago, but the Celtics biggest advantage isn't home court, but the fact that there is/was no extra rest in the schedule after Game 3. LBJ is much better with extra rest for obvious reasons.
   4807. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:49 PM (#5678556)
That half could have been worse for the Cavs. Game is still in LeBron's reach.
   4808. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:53 PM (#5678560)
[4801] Agreed on all points. I suspect I'm less inclined to give a #### about whatever Morris said than most: my default assumption is that every NBA game features a large volume of wildly inappropriate trash talk (and yes, I am a Celtics fan). I get that it was obviously taunting in context, though it bugs me that there's no way it would've been called without the shove (same disclaimer).

I am a bit afraid of what happens if LeBron finds his legs in the second half, but that's usually true. It was really nice to see home court Tatum again.
   4809. MHS Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:56 PM (#5678562)
I missed all of the first half on a plane flying halfway across the country’s. About to miss all of the second half flying the other half way across the country. I love my job, but this is the second game this week I’ve missed in the air and it suvks.

GO C’s!!
   4810. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:00 PM (#5678565)
Buy the inflight wifi.
   4811. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:07 PM (#5678568)
Jaylen Brown really needs to work on his handle. If he develops a little off the bounce juice he could be a max player for a title contender.
   4812. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:10 PM (#5678572)
If he develops a little off the bounce juice
Brown's handle tightening up a bit is at least as big a factor in his year two leap as improvements in his jumper (not to discount that: raising his 3pt% from 34.1% to 39.5% is a big jump); I see no reason to assume it has peaked yet.
   4813. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:20 PM (#5678581)
Kyle Korver should be playing a lot more than he is.
   4814. PJ Martinez Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:20 PM (#5678582)
When the Celtics drafted Brown, I was worried that he would never be as good as he is already.
   4815. PJ Martinez Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5678583)
Kyle Korver should be playing a lot more than he is.

8 minutes through three!

Edit: apparently Lue said something about a possible elbow injury earlier today?
   4816. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5678584)
I'm not seeing Brown as near a max player, to be honest.

This game seems closer than 14 pts, but only because I keep expecting LBJ to wake up.
   4817. MHS Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5678589)
Buy the inflight wifi.


In theory. In practice I fly United, and the technology only works 40% of the time.

Frequent flier programs are the devil. I’ve got 400,000 miles and the highest status so I’m going no where :(
   4818. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:35 PM (#5678592)
Does Clarkson know there's a three point line, and teams try to shoot from there?
   4819. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:35 PM (#5678593)
Marcus Morris has just been awful the last few games.
   4820. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5678594)
When Love and LeBron are both out this isn’t a good team. Hard hitting analysis I know
   4821. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5678595)
Officer: “Bucks player? Sorry, I don’t follow the Bucks. I didn’t recognize you. Sorry I didn’t recognize your famous name.” (sarcastically)

Sterling: “It ain’t famous until today.”
   4822. nick swisher hygiene Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5678596)
I'd sit LeBron for the rest of tonight's...
   4823. SteveF Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM (#5678597)
I'd play him a few and see if I can get a 10-0 run or something.
   4824. tshipman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM (#5678599)
I'm not seeing Brown as near a max player, to be honest.


Yeah, how does he make other guys better? He can't run plays for other people, and he's not an elite finisher.

If the max line is Otto Porter, how does Jaylen Brown get to be Otto Porter?
   4825. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5678602)
I’d like to see better individual defense from Brown. He’s let Jeff Green post him way too easy this half.
   4826. tshipman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5678603)
When Love and LeBron are both out this isn’t a good team. Hard hitting analysis I know


Can you say that 5 times slowly and with questionable racial overtones? If so, I have a job for you in sports radio ...

Does Clarkson know there's a three point line, and teams try to shoot from there?


Remember when Lakers fans were over the moon that he got traded without having to give something up to get rid of him?
   4827. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5678604)
Maybe we got a game after all
   4828. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5678605)
[4826b] Ha! At least twice he's taken one dribble off the three to put up a #### two point shot. He's terrible.

Brown's defense is lousy. He's super athletic, obviously, but his on ball defense is atrocious. They've posted him up all night.
   4829. PJ Martinez Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5678606)
I'd play him a few and see if I can get a 10-0 run or something.

How about a 9-0 run?

Maybe green-tinted glasses, but I think Brown will be better than Otto Porter. (And on-ball defense in the post is a relatively small part of defense. He's part of the reason Boston had the best defense in the league this season. He's generally better on smaller guys.)
   4830. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5678607)
Boston with some terrible offensive sets putting up rushed shots. They're aware the clock is on their side, right? And Smart jacking threes is pretty good for Cleveland.
   4831. SteveF Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5678609)
If the max line is Otto Porter, how does Jaylen Brown get to be Otto Porter?

Setting aside Jaylen Brown, what is your theoretical maximum contract for the best 3+D player in the league?
   4832. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5678610)
Horford has to pass out of the double team quickly
   4833. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5678615)
THere has been some really ugly basketball in these playoffs.
   4834. tshipman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5678617)
Setting aside Jaylen Brown, what is your theoretical maximum contract for the best 3+D player in the league?


Well, that's Otto Porter, right? He made 25 million last year, and will make 26 next year.
   4835. SteveF Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5678620)
Well, that's Otto Porter, right? He made 25 million last year, and will make 26 next year.

Well, I was interested in what YOU would pay for that guy, not what Otto Porter makes.
   4836. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5678621)
After spending all season going back and forth on it, I've settled into the opinion that Marcus Morris isn't worth having around. He doesn't do quite enough defensively to make up for all the atrocious contested jumpers.
   4837. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5678622)
And Otto Porter is not a max contract guy on a contender.
   4838. tshipman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 10:59 PM (#5678623)
Well, I was interested in what YOU would pay for that guy, not what Otto Porter makes.


Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

If I already have my #1 guy (Steph, LeBron, KD, Anthony Davis, KAT), then yeah, I give Otto Porter a max. I don't feel great about it, but I give it to him.
   4839. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5678626)
Well, I was interested in what YOU would pay for that guy, not what Otto Porter makes.
In Otto Porter's case, I don't recall the Wiz having much choice: they were too capped out to replace him if he left and then he signed a $105m offer sheet with Brooklyn.

Unless the defense was Draymond/Garnett/Davis level, though, I don't think a team can give a non-playmaking player more than 10-15 million unless they're going all in on a one- or two-year window.
   4840. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:01 PM (#5678627)
It just occurred to me that if the ECF goes to 7, that I live not all that far from Boston and I could go to the game!
   4841. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:08 PM (#5678630)
I will be pretty surprised if Brown doesn't surpass Porter as an all around player. He's a much better player than Porter was at the same age/experience level.
   4842. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5678631)
If I already have my #1 guy (Steph, LeBron, KD, Anthony Davis, KAT), then yeah, I give Otto Porter a max. I don't feel great about it, but I give it to him.

I think these kinds of deals are payroll killers for teams, but I get why they happen.
   4843. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:13 PM (#5678633)
Also I thought Morris was pretty good tonight.

I will now stop disagreeing with everyone!

I do agree with the Korver talk- playing JR so much over him is malpractice.
   4844. PJ Martinez Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:17 PM (#5678634)
"Lue said Ojeleye was Korver's matchup and it threw Cavs for a loop when Ojeleye wasn't in."

That does not seem like a good look for Lue.
   4845. tshipman Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:18 PM (#5678635)
I will be pretty surprised if Brown doesn't surpass Porter as an all around player. He's a much better player than Porter was at the same age/experience level.


I think you are underrating how difficult it is to improve in the NBA and how good Porter is.
   4846. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5678637)
[4844] *Bangs head against wall*
   4847. Howie Menckel Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:23 PM (#5678638)
It just occurred to me that if the ECF goes to 7, that I live not all that far from Boston and I could go to the game!

if you are single and have no debt and have a good job - or are married, but you inherited well or make a lot of dough - GO. I have never had anyone who wanted to "be there" for a huge game, and I talked them into it, regret the effort - even if it doesn't work out.
the anticipation, the travel to the event, the pre-game adrenaline and camaraderie, and the start of the game are lifelong memories. I'm too old to say YOLO, but I lived it for decades and never regretted a moment of it.
   4848. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:28 PM (#5678641)
   4849. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:28 PM (#5678642)
I think you are underrating how difficult it is to improve in the NBA and how good Porter is.

No I get that. Otto turned into an elite 3 pt catch and shoot guy and elite defender. Brown's upside (which I'm not saying he'll definitely reach) is a guy who can score in all ways and also be an elite defender. He already does that a bit now (not nearly as efficiently at the rim as I'd like, but he's young). I mean he had a higher USG this year than Porter may ever have.
   4850. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:21 AM (#5678651)
That quote is a bad look both ways for Lue, right? Prior to tonight's game Ojeleye had played 15, 5, 9, 20, and 9 minutes in the series. Korver has been in the mix for the Cavs' third-best player, so shouldn't you be looking to play him more than that guy? And how do you not adjust once you notice he's not playing and still get him in for more than 19 minutes? That's poor adjustment from a bad plan.
   4851. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:25 AM (#5678653)
The Lue quote is so bad that there has to be something else going on, like an injury or something.

How sad is it that 37 year old Kyle Korver is the second best player on a team in the ECF?
   4852. JC in DC Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:00 AM (#5678657)
He's better than Love?
   4853. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:05 AM (#5678659)
I wouldn't say so; and except for one game, I wouldn't say he's been better than Thompson either. Fourth with a bullet, though, he's played really well.
   4854. PJ Martinez Posted: May 24, 2018 at 07:00 AM (#5678665)
"J.R. Smith finished Game 5 with more fouls (5) than points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks combined (3)."
   4855. JC in DC Posted: May 24, 2018 at 07:39 AM (#5678671)
One of my favorite things is listening to LBJ after games. That guy can do anything he wants. He's smart as hell and really interesting to listen to.
   4856. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5678719)
two interesting nuggets from jj redick's podcast:

1: HOU offered him 3/30 last summer
2: if redick didn't sign with the sixers, the sixers were going to make the same 1/20+MM offer to andre iguodala.
   4857. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5678729)
How sad is it that 37 year old Kyle Korver is the second best player on a team in the ECF?

He's better than Love?

Probably not but Love has been pretty bad in this series (and really the entire postseason).
   4858. PJ Martinez Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5678732)
Speaking of Bill Simmons podcasts, Lowe was on there recently, and he predicted (that is, he thinks these are more likely to happen than not) the following:

* McCollum will get traded
* Kawhi will get traded
* Towns will not get traded; Wiggins could be
* Smart will take his qualifying offer, and the Celtics will run it back

He also said that Houston will be in the running for LeBron (i.e., Morey will have ways of making that happen, if it's what LeBron wants), and that if Sam Presti tried to talk the Lakers into giving up their best young guys/picks for Russell Westbrook, they might listen. He thinks the Lakers could end up with two new superstars this summer but not three.
   4859. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:30 AM (#5678736)
1: HOU offered him 3/30 last summer

Interesting. So is that... PJ Tucker's roster spot?
   4860. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5678756)
Seems like LeBron maybe shouldn't have played all 82 and led the league in minutes played this year.
   4861. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5678769)
Interesting. So is that... PJ Tucker's roster spot?

Just finished listening and yes.

One of my favorite things is listening to LBJ after games. That guy can do anything he wants. He's smart as hell and really interesting to listen to.

Same, he was only 5/6 on recall for the turnovers but I really loved hearing what he saw and what he was thinking in making those passes.
   4862. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5678773)
Just finished listening and yes.

Huh. Think I prefer Tucker for them, but god another elite shooter like that would have been something.
   4863. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5678779)
[4862] Yeah, Redick said the same citing the style of defense they play.
   4864. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5678806)
I'm pretty damn excited for the basketball the next 5 days. LeBron's rule of the east looks wobbly, but I also wouldn't put it past him to win the next 2 games. The West is wild. And games every day! Woo!
   4865. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5678807)
Buy the inflight wifi.

In theory. In practice I fly United, and the technology only works 40% of the time.


Even when it works, you can't stream any video.
   4866. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5678814)
The talk about flights made me realize, I'll be flying the night of Game 6 of the Finals.
   4867. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5678828)
I won't be on a plane, but I'll be in Poland for games 5 and 6. Will I get up to watch the games when they start at 3am? Maybe, I've done it before.

EDIT: Good chance there won't be a game 5 or 6, I guess.
   4868. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5678846)
EDIT: Good chance there won't be a game 5 or 6, I guess.

If it's the Cavs, sure, but if it's the Celtics, I think they it will take at least 5 and probably 6 for either team to beat them.
   4869. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5678852)
If it's the Cavs, sure, but if it's the Celtics, I think they it will take at least 5 and probably 6 for either team to beat them.

Glad it's not (just) the homer in me thinking this. I think Boston would give either West team some really competitive games but ultimately lose in 5, maybe 6. They're honestly a good matchup for either team with so many solid perimeter defenders, they just can't score enough. Whereas I think Cleveland would mostly just repeat last year- lose 4 games comfortably, win one at home with a barrage of threes.
   4870. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 24, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5678859)
* McCollum will get traded
* Kawhi will get traded


There could be a workable trade for each other here, right? I mean, setting aside that Portland is the last place on earth someone with a debilitating injury would want to be.

e: I think whoever wins the ECF is getting waxed by the Warriors regardless, in either a sweep or a friendly-calls-fueled gentleman's sweep consisting mostly of blowouts.
   4871. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5678940)
Tip of the hat to tship for correctly calling on Boston to go with Baynes/Horford together more, that seemed to work pretty well last night.

And in other news, I'm on the side of the people who thought the Clips retaining Doc was fine- I think he's a good coach, just a bad GM.
   4872. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5678951)
Tip of the hat to tship for correctly calling on Boston to go with Baynes/Horford together more, that seemed to work pretty well last night.


Ehhhhhh, I dunno. Boston (and Cleveland!) look so different at home vs. away, it's hard to say if it's just the home cooking or not.

Baynes/Horford were +8, but Horford without Baynes was +14.

Really, it's just Horford being Boston's best player by far.

Let me take a third pass at this: it's not that Horford/Baynes is amazing vs. Cleveland. It's that Baynes without Horford is bad, and Baynes needs to be on the court because Boston doesn't have enough good players to not play Baynes.
   4873. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5678955)
Baynes/Horford were +8, but Horford without Baynes was +14.

Where do you get single game player combination/lineup numbers like this?
   4874. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5678964)
Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto
The Orlando Magic have expressed interest in Michigan State coach Tom Izzo for the team's head coaching position, league sources told The Athletic.

Perhaps the ongoing moral decay of his employer will be just the nudge Izzo needs to go to the NBA?
   4875. Rally Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5678967)
Everyone plays better at home than on the road, but in this series J.R. Smith goes way beyond a normal split. In the road games he's 0-11 from 3, 3-22 overall, and a -42 +/-. At home he's 6-15 overall, 6-10 from 3, and +28. If Cleveland can force a game 7 please just leave him on the bench.
   4876. SteveF Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5678970)
Where do you get single game player combination/lineup numbers like this?

Tshipman gets this question a bunch, so I'll pinch hit!

It's here. Basically pick a team and choose lineups from the drop down. There's an option for 2-5 man lineups. I assume he just did the basic arithmetic and subtracted 8 from 22 to get Horford's number without Baynes. I don't know why I just explained that last part except for the sake of completeness. I don't think you are an idiot.
   4877. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5678971)
Where do you get single game player combination/lineup numbers like this?


BBREF has you covered.

It's not normally this clean, but in this case, all of Baynes's positive minutes included Horford, so that made it easier to pull.

Edit: Oh, yeah, NBA.com is also good, but for single games I like BBREF's visualization better. Pulling multiple games is easier with NBA.com
   4878. SteveF Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5678973)
BBREF has you covered.

Wow. That's even better.
   4879. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5678974)
Whoa, thanks sir. (EDIT: this was for SteveF)

And also even whoa-er to the BBREF one, I had never found that before. Thank you both.
   4880. Manny Coon Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5678975)
And in other news, I'm on the side of the people who thought the Clips retaining Doc was fine- I think he's a good coach, just a bad GM.


He might be an ok coach in a vacuum, especially for a veteran team, but he played his loser son 33+ minutes a game this year, which shows a complete lack of integrity and that hes been allowed to pull this nonsense for years, shows a complete lack of accountibilty. There plenty of coaches roughly as good as Doc out there that don't come packaged with a deadbeat son. He has also failed to integrate a single decent young player during his enitre tenure and seems to have alienated several players who left the organization. And this is letting him off the hook for things like their playoff collapse against Houston a few years ago, which he probably should have been fired for at the time.

When he was relieved of his executive duties his replacement was one of his lackeys from within the organization with no executive experience, so its hard to say it was real loss of power or just a reshuffling of the deck chairs that was mostly for show.
   4881. SteveF Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5678981)
Interestingly, the best Celtics 2 man lineup (by +/-) was Horford and Morris, which would seem to somewhat contradict the idea that starting Baynes made much difference.

The bigger change was going to a 7 man rotation, I think. Stevens mentioned that necessitated starting Baynes so he could have some semblance of a wing rotation among Tatum, Brown, Morris, and Smart.
   4882. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5678985)
Interestingly, the best Celtics 2 man lineup (by +/-) was Horford and Morris, which would seem to somewhat contradict the idea that starting Baynes made much difference.

The bigger change was going to a 7 man rotation, I think. Stevens mentioned that necessitated starting Baynes so he could have some semblance of a wing rotation among Tatum, Brown, Morris, and Smart.


Yeah, this is where I'm coming down to after reviewing some of the numbers.

1. Baynes is one of the Celtics 7 best players, so you kinda want to play him.
2. In this series, Baynes without Horford gets cooked, so you want to play Horford and Baynes together if possible when you play Baynes.
3. However, it's not the case that Horford + Baynes is your best lineup, but you want to play it when Cavs go with Thompson + Love.

Edit: for all the praise that Stevens gets and all the criticism that Lue gets, it took Stevens 6 games to figure out that he wanted Baynes matched up with Thompson.
   4883. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5678989)
I think starting Baynes made a big difference, in large part because it gave Horford and Morris better matchups; Horford could start the game on Love, and Morris could do his thing against bench players instead of trying to wrestle the Thompson/Love frontcourt.

Not that I'm recalling the exact matchups with a ton of clarity: I had to stay up late last night to monitor a thing for work, so I'm not all that sharp today.

EDIT: missed the 7-man rotation point above, which I'm not trying to rebut whatsoever
   4884. SteveF Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5679002)
Edit: for all the praise that Stevens gets and all the criticism that Lue gets, it took Stevens 6 games to figure out that he wanted Baynes matched up with Thompson.

He largely did match Baynes up against Thompson in game 3, though he arguably started to do it too late in the game (midway through quarter 1). He went away from the matchup in game 4 and the Celtics actually played better.

Maybe they just need Baynes on Thompson in the first quarter. Thompson seems to run out of gas as the game goes on.

I think the Stevens praise has more to do with the fact he has the Celtics -- a team you (well, to be honest, I basically agreed with you) thought was a 47-48 win team with a healthy Irving and Hayward -- one win from the NBA finals.

In the interest of comity and respect for your contributions to this forum, I'll spare you my (largely trollish) comparison of Steve Kerr and K.C. Jones.
   4885. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5679008)
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
The NBA will be releasing the All-NBA teams later this afternoon, sources say.
just a reminder that if joel embiid is named first team all-NBA, his contract will get kicked by about 30MM.
   4886. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5679011)
Edit: for all the praise that Stevens gets and all the criticism that Lue gets, it took Stevens 6 games to figure out that he wanted Baynes matched up with Thompson.

EDIT: I see SteveF covered the Baynes/Thompson thing better than I did.
   4887. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:16 PM (#5679020)
All NBA Teams out:

1st
Harden
James
Davis
Lillard
Durant

2nd
Giannis
Westbrook
Embiid
Aldridge
DeRozan

3rd
Curry
Oladipo
Towns
Butler
George

   4888. SteveF Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5679027)
I was pretty sure they'd put Davis at center and save Philly some $$$. Davis is probably the only person in the universe who doesn't want him at the 5.
   4889. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5679029)
Both Lillard and DeRozan above Curry. Huh.
   4890. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5679030)
Jokic is the obvious snub there. Certainly had a much better year than Embiid.
   4891. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5679031)
I think the single biggest factor in the ECF series may end up being the scheduling. I don't think it's a coincidence, given how much the Cav's fate rises and falls with LeBron's ability to be superhuman, that the best Cavs performance came after the longer layoff. He looked exhausted last night, and has only one travel day to recuperate between games since game three and from here on out. The Cavs are too thin and too bad defensively to sweep the Celtics, but if they got 2-3 days off between games I'd feel a lot worse about the Celtics' chances at making the Finals.
   4892. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5679037)
Both Lillard and DeRozan above Curry. Huh.

Curry only played 51 games, but it's like, if that's the reason, why even put him 3rd team? I think Lowe/Arnovitz discussed this recently and both thought playing time mattered for 1st team, but then after that they didn't necessarily consider it (I think it was them, at least, that had that discussion).
   4893. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5679042)
I'm not sure Paul George belongs there? I guess I don't know who I'd replace him with.
   4894. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5679049)
Lillard?

Don't get me wrong, I've been a Lillard booster for years, but... Lillard??
   4895. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5679051)
I'm not sure Paul George belongs there?
Paul George is fantastic, so long as it's not a game you absolutely need to win.
   4896. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5679057)
I'd have Towns 2nd team, probably, over Aldridge.
   4897. Booey Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5679076)
So the Jazz, Celtics, Heat, and Wiz are the only playoff teams without representation on the All NBA teams.
   4898. aberg Posted: May 24, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5679143)
Following the same positional designations, here are the All-NBA teams using different stats:

Win Shares
1
G- Harden
G- Lillard
F- Lebron
F- Giannis
C- Towns

2
G- Paul
G- Lowry
F- Aldridge
F- Durant
C- Davis

WS/48
1
G- Harden
G- Curry
F- Lebron
F- Durant
C- Capela (!)

2
G- Paul
G- Lillard
F- Aldridge
F- Giannis
C- Davis

PER
1
G- Harden
G- Curry
F- Lebron
F- Giannis
C- Davis

2
G- Lillard
G- Kyrie
F- Durant
F- Aldridge
C- Towns

BPM
1
G- Harden
G- Curry
F- Lebron
F- Giannis
C- Jokic

2
G- Westbrook
G- Paul
F- Durant
F- Simmons
C- Towns

RPM (Wins)
1
G- Harden
G- Westbrook
F- Lebron
F- Covington
C- Davis

2
G- Oladipo
G- Lillard
F- Giannis
F- Porter
C- Jokic


   4899. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 24, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5679157)
Jonathan Givony: Barring a trade, I'd say Doncic being drafted in the top three is no better than 50-50. I've felt an increasing disparity the past few months between the public's bullish perception of Doncic -- which we share -- and what NBA executives say privately. While I believe they are overthinking things, the skepticism is a lot more prevalent than expected. You would think a guy like Doncic, who has played in as many big games as any teenage prospect in recent memory, would be relatively immune to these types of ups and downs in his evaluation process, but it seems that's not the case.


In$sider. WTH?
   4900. PJ Martinez Posted: May 24, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5679167)
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Lillard booster for years, but... Lillard??

He had a career year, and Curry missed a bunch of games. I'm not really sure who would be more deserving, Curry aside. Seems like he was better than Westbrook, and his team was (slightly) better, too. Oladipo, maybe? First team seems right for Lillard.

I'd have Towns 2nd team, probably, over Aldridge.

Who would take Towns's place on the 1st team? Jokic?

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