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Free agent NFL cornerback Antonio Cromartie and his wife Terricka announced the birth of baby girl Jhett Paxton, born Aug. 30.

This is the couple’s sixth child, and it is Cromartie’s fourteenth. By our count, it is his third child since (supposedly) having a vasectomy during his tenure with the New York Jets in 2013.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2017 at 12:36 AM | 174 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Howie Menckel Posted: October 15, 2017 at 04:54 PM (#5554374)
I think Fouts called it "the worst call I have ever seen."

49ers just miss miracle comeback win vs Indigenous Peoples, lose 26-24. 5 straight losses by either 1, 2, or 3 points. no that has not ever been done before in the NFL.

Saints got a little complacent with that 45-10 second-half lead, punted the ball to the Lions at 45-38 and 5 minutes left. a pick 6 at the end zone, and they could breathe again.
   102. SoSH U at work Posted: October 15, 2017 at 05:22 PM (#5554378)
I think I understand how the call is made, even if I haven't seen this properly explained. Once he lost control, it was considered a fumble. To legally recover it, he must establish possession before going out of bounds (not possession by ordinary person definition, but the NFL's crappy definition). So, by rule, that wouldn't be a touchdown, even though by common sense it clearly was.

It seems to me there's an easy fix, if the NFL were so inclined. If the person who had already has control of the ball loses possession without the ball hitting the ground, it's not considered a fumble.
   103. Howie Menckel Posted: October 15, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5554383)
yeah, it's probably gonna wind up being like the "tuck rule" - which, coincidentally, benefited the same evil empire. right call, bad rule.

frankly, I wouldn't mind getting rid of "fumble touchbacks" altogether. just back the offense up to the 20, and it's "whatever down and goal." that seems like a sufficient punishment, and with borderline calls like this, they don't have as dramatic of an impact on the game.
   104. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 15, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5554386)
Yeah I get how they get there, it's just so ridiculous to look at. I think I have a different fix though.

Just from common sense, if the offense fumbles the ball forward and out of bounds, they should maintain possession, and get the ball at the spot of the fumble. That is the rule for a forwards fumble any other place on the field. I am not sure why it going through the endzone necessitates a turnover and a touchback...
   105. Nasty Nate Posted: October 15, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5554388)
Statistically, they don't normally count a runner juggling the ball, but not dropping it, as a fumble, right?
   106. Rob_Wood Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:04 PM (#5554390)
I would pay to listen to New York sports radio tonight and tomorrow (referencing the Jets game call). I think I'd learn some new words!
   107. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:40 PM (#5554401)
Down nine in the fourth, and 4th and goal from the 4, and Andy Reed goes for it? The #### is he smoking. You need the FG there...
   108. stanmvp48 Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:43 PM (#5554402)

It was 4th and 2 from the four and you need a touchdown more than you need a field goal
   109. Hot Wheeling American Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:45 PM (#5554403)
Big momey survivor pool...gonna remember this gutless Falcons performance for a long time. 13 point home fav against Jay F'm Cutler.
   110. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:46 PM (#5554404)
Whatever. 2 v 4 yards on a pass play makes little difference... You can't come away with no points there. That's crazy.
   111. stanmvp48 Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:50 PM (#5554407)
Sorry but there's a big difference between 4th and 2 and 4th and four and there's a big difference between a touchdown in a field goal
   112. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 15, 2017 at 06:59 PM (#5554408)
Sorry but there's a big difference between 4th and 2 and 4th and four

Depends on the play call. The Chiefs ran a bunch of end zone routes, and the pass went incomplete near the back of the end zone. There was literally no difference there between 2 and 4, after they made that call.

and there's a big difference between a touchdown in a field goal

Not down 9. The difference between being down 6 or 2 is dwarfed by the difference in being 9 or 6.
   113. SteveF Posted: October 15, 2017 at 07:07 PM (#5554411)
From a points expectation standpoint early in the game, going for it on 4th down is defensible given the likely field position you leave Pittsburgh in if you fail. It was still fairly early in the 4th so you'd figure KC would stand to benefit from the field position difference between failing on 4th down and a kickoff.

KC didn't make good on the field position, though. (Edit: Well, arguably they did benefit insofar as they gave up a lot of yards without having to give up points.)

I'd have kicked the field goal, but from a math standpoint I don't think it's clear cut. One can't assume Pittsburgh isn't going to score again, which is why KC should still play the game normally with that many possessions left -- at least 2 for each team in all likelihood. (I'd also have kicked the field goal in the first quarter with the same score.)
   114. SteveF Posted: October 15, 2017 at 07:21 PM (#5554415)
There's some real RPS going on among KC, NE, and Pitt. NE can name their score against Pitt. KC can name their score against NE. And Le'Veon Bell can name his yardage against KC.
   115. stanmvp48 Posted: October 15, 2017 at 07:27 PM (#5554418)
And if they had caught the pass, which they could have, they would have ended up with 20
   116. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 15, 2017 at 08:47 PM (#5554477)
Andy Reid beating Bill Belichick in a playoff game is a thing that will never, ever happen. And I say that as an officer in the Andy Reid Fan Club; I think Reid is a Hall of Fame coach and the best coach of the last 25 years besides Belichick himself.

Weirdness follows Reid around everywhere, man. When it was 13-10 with a few minutes left, Ben Roethlisberger (who continues to look really bad by his standards, he may just be finished as an elite quarterback) threw a godawful interception--terrible decision, terrible throw--except the ball went right through the KC defender's hands, off his head and caromed right into the warm embrace of Antonio Brown, who took it to the house. That play probably swung the game.

I think going for the touchdown from inside the 5 was the right call, though.

On Pittsburgh's side, right near the end of the game they had 3rd and 2 from near midfield, and ran an empty backfield pass. I hate hate hate that call. They know damn well their quarterback is unreliable--they actually used a fullback, a FULLBACK in 2017!, on about a third of their plays and mostly just ran Bell down KC's throats all day--and while empty backfields on third-and-short are just fine tactics for Green Bay or New England... man, just give Bell the ball, that's your best shot at getting two yards.
   117. zenbitz Posted: October 15, 2017 at 09:57 PM (#5554561)
49ers have lost 3 of those games (assuming they can make a medium+ FG) because of offensive penalties. 2 OPI.


But it has to be a coincidence, right?
   118. Howie Menckel Posted: October 15, 2017 at 10:03 PM (#5554571)
well, they were on the 41 yard line today (and only after a deus ex machina tipped pass to Garcon) with about 30 seconds left. not exactly "run out the clock" time, and with a novice QB. not sure that win probability was over 90 pct.

still, they have been quite competitive. Skins were within 3 with the ball in the final minute against the 5-1 Eagles and 5-1 Chiefs in their only two losses, so Niners can see paradise from here....
   119. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 09:22 AM (#5554814)

Not down 9. The difference between being down 6 or 2 is dwarfed by the difference in being 9 or 6.


From a fan perspective, there is, but the object should be to maximize your odds of winning the game, not prolonging the game. Too often coaches make decisions based on what will keep the outcome in doubt as long as possible and not on what will give them the best chances to win.
   120. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5554815)
They know damn well their quarterback is unreliable--they actually used a fullback, a FULLBACK in 2017!, on about a third of their plays


In 2016, the Patriots used a fullback on 24% of all plays and 51% of all running plays. This year they are using a FB in 23% of all plays.
   121. Howie Menckel Posted: October 16, 2017 at 10:33 AM (#5554849)
Too often coaches make decisions based on what will keep the outcome in doubt as long as possible and not on what will give them the best chances to win.

this is so true. Phil Simms is the most extreme example among announcers - he would always say to kick the FG down 10 with 5 minutes left, no matter the circumstances. and it sort of makes sense if you're thinking like a broadcaster - keep the fans tuned in! why coaches do it is harder to explain.

If I'm the Chiefs there, I would have kicked a FG if it had been 4th and goal at the 4 - and gone for it on 4th and 2, but probably with a run or a Smith bootleg. even getting just 1 yard there slightly helps your chances of getting a safety or makes a likely punt a tad more difficult. every yard inside the 5 means something, especially if you have a good defense.
   122. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 10:57 AM (#5554861)
What I notice from the point differentials through Week 6 is that there has been no "super team" this year. The best four teams are +41-47 points. Usually we see greater margins than that from the best teams.
   123. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5554865)
On the Rodgers injury, I don't like the sacks where the pass rusher lets the entirety of his weight fall on top of the QB's shoulders. The league shouldn't allow itself to lose its quarterbacks that way, given that despite all of the attention paid to the JC Watts of the world, a team's success turns on its quarterback.

   124. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5554873)

What I notice from the point differentials through Week 6 is that there has been no "super team" this year. The best four teams are +41-47 points. Usually we see greater margins than that from the best teams.


Agreed. Somehow now the Eagles are tops in the NFC, but I wouldn't be all that surprised to see them lose their next three games. Wentz does look like he can play, but the team just doesn't have that 'ef you, we are putting this game away!' gear.
   125. Nasty Nate Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5554886)
Weird week. Lots of underdogs won outright (and even more covered the spread).
   126. SoSH U at work Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:33 AM (#5554894)
The league shouldn't allow itself to lose its quarterbacks that way, given that despite all of the attention paid to the JC Watts of the world, a team's success turns on its quarterback.


Take it to OTP: Politics.

(I think you mean JJ singular, not the Sooner QB turned congressman)
   127. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 16, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5554918)
Er, right. Yes. JJ.
   128. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 16, 2017 at 01:23 PM (#5555020)
Quarterbacks should just wear flags and not be allowed past the line of scrimmage.
   129. zenbitz Posted: October 16, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5555175)
well, they were on the 41 yard line today (and only after a deus ex machina tipped pass to Garcon) with about 30 seconds left. not exactly "run out the clock" time, and with a novice QB. not sure that win probability was over 90 pct.


Ha, I was flying to FLA during this game.... the 49ers never cracked 30% WPA in the 4th Quarter... however they started at 18% (I guess based on the betting line?). Not sure I approve of this metric when it doesn't start at 50% on a neutral field.

For all the blather about losing close games, if you integrate the WPA of the 49ers you don't get anything near ~.500. Maybe 2-4?
   130. zenbitz Posted: October 16, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5555178)
In 2016, the Patriots used a fullback on 24% of all plays and 51% of all running plays. This year they are using a FB in 23% of all plays.


These days there isn't much difference between a full back and a TE.
   131. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 17, 2017 at 12:22 AM (#5555528)
Quarterbacks should just wear flags and not be allowed past the line of scrimmage.

They shouldn't even let all those pointless other players on the field. The two QBs can just compete in a series of drills to determine which team wins.
   132. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 17, 2017 at 07:59 AM (#5555554)

These days there isn't much difference between a full back and a TE.


Sure there is. One lines up in the backfield, the other lines up alongside the offensive line.
   133. zenbitz Posted: October 17, 2017 at 11:55 AM (#5555766)
Yeah but the same players can do either (not necessarily equally well). They are very similar tactically in that they block on running plays and can either pass block or receive.
   134. Nasty Nate Posted: October 17, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5555772)
I may be wrong, but I think fullbacks are thrown much fewer passes compared to TEs nowadays.
   135. jmurph Posted: October 17, 2017 at 12:06 PM (#5555780)
In 2016, the Patriots used a fullback on 24% of all plays and 51% of all running plays. This year they are using a FB in 23% of all plays.

Is there a way to determine this number league-wide? I imagine the number of plays featuring TEs would be something like 2-1 or greater (compared to those featuring FBs). The traditional blocking FB is just not the best use of 1 of your 11 players.
   136. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 17, 2017 at 12:42 PM (#5555837)
They shouldn't even let all those pointless other players on the field. The two QBs can just compete in a series of drills to determine which team wins.


That's essentially all that _is_ going on.
   137. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 17, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5556136)
Almost no one actually carries a fullback anymore and I don't think fullback is even a position teams list on their rosters anymore. Some teams (like the Patriots and Steelers) carry hybrid TE/FBs and some teams have a big RB they will occasionally line up as a fullback.
   138. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 17, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5556228)
NFL teams do just lump all their RBs together. Madden does not and lists 24 active rostered players as FBs, but most of them are used more as roster filler/special teams bodies than as actual FBs.

In addition to TEs, more and more teams are using DTs and LBs as FBs when needed.
   139. zenbitz Posted: October 18, 2017 at 06:22 PM (#5557341)
@135 football outsiders tracks this but you need a premium account (I think)
   140. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:23 AM (#5558729)
What a crazy end of the game for OAK-KC.

Crabtree's first TD should have stood.

The Lynch bumping of the ref will get a lot of play, but it was really much ado about nothing. Yes, he bumped him. And deserved to be disqualified. But it wasn't a big deal. Just a small push.

To me Romo is a fun color commentator -- and is good, too. Perceptive.
   141. Howie Menckel Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:32 AM (#5558731)
The Lynch bumping of the ref will get a lot of play, but it was really much ado about nothing. Yes, he bumped him. And deserved to be disqualified. But it wasn't a big deal. Just a small push.

um, he wasn't even on the field for that play. and the small push and the grab was of an official.

I will predict a suspension for the not a "big deal."
   142. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:38 AM (#5558733)
Come on, Howie. It registers near a 0 on the scale. It may well warrant a suspension -- I have no idea what the precedent is -- and that's fine. But this was not Lynch hurting or attacking an official. It was a small push in the heat of the moment. He can serve whatever discipline he receives and move on.
   143. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:39 AM (#5558734)
Why should it have stood? He was clearly down by contact before the goal line.
   144. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:43 AM (#5558736)
No, I agree with that one. I mean the one where Crabtree got called for offensive PI, when really what happened was that the defender, knowing he was beat, flopped.
   145. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:49 AM (#5558752)
To me Romo is a fun color commentator -- and is good, too. Perceptive.


I can't remember where I heard it, but someone pointed out at least 4 or 5 times last week where Romo would call the EXACT play before it happened.

Not just "pass play" or "run play", but "play action pass to this guy on the right" or "delayed RB run up the middle".
He also knew exactly when blitzes were coming, and he had few (if any) "false positive" calls too.
   146. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:11 AM (#5558925)
I can't remember where I heard it, but someone pointed out at least 4 or 5 times last week where Romo would call the EXACT play before it happened.

Not just "pass play" or "run play", but "play action pass to this guy on the right" or "delayed RB run up the middle".
He also knew exactly when blitzes were coming, and he had few (if any) "false positive" calls too.
i actually really like romo, which is shocking to me because a) i'm an eagles fan and b) i didn't think he deserved to get that job right out of the NFL.


i think he gets a little too caught up sometimes in calling plays out, rather than describing what he sees that leads him to call those plays out, but that's a very minor quibble. he's good and fun to listen to.
   147. SoSH U at work Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5559007)
Come on, Howie. It registers near a 0 on the scale. It may well warrant a suspension -- I have no idea what the precedent is -- and that's fine.


Orlando Brown got 1+ games (initially) for his push. But, he was assaulted far more violently by the ref first, so I'm not sure he serves as much of a go-to guy.
   148. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5559025)
I can't remember where I heard it, but someone pointed out at least 4 or 5 times last week where Romo would call the EXACT play before it happened.


To be fair, the Steelers have an extremely predictable offense. They just have so much talent they get away with it much of the time, especially in the running game.
   149. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 06:11 PM (#5559250)
I can't remember where I heard it, but someone pointed out at least 4 or 5 times last week where Romo would call the EXACT play before it happened.

Not just "pass play" or "run play", but "play action pass to this guy on the right" or "delayed RB run up the middle".
He also knew exactly when blitzes were coming, and he had few (if any) "false positive" calls too.


He did this down the stretch last night too. Circled a portion of the field (middle of the field) where he said was the place to throw it. Snap and -- boom. The play went right there.

He's energetic also.
   150. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 22, 2017 at 10:34 PM (#5560231)
James Lofton pointed out the "empty center field" defense as the Giants D lined up in it on a play, about two seconds before Russell Wilson hit Doug Baldwin right there for a TD.

   151. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:38 PM (#5560235)
The 49ers could very possibly go 0-16.
   152. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:28 AM (#5560307)
Another week (mostly) in the books, and I'm still pretty sure no one is any good this year. The NFL seems to have finally accomplished their goal of enforced, uniform mediocrity.
   153. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 11:11 AM (#5560325)
CLE hasn't won since December. I laughed when I saw that it was the Chargers who they beat.
   154. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM (#5560327)
Good column from Barnwell on ESPN today in which he basically notes that the "improved" Pats defense of the last three weeks is mostly a mirage. Some of it is real, but most of it is unsustainable, primarily an insanely flukey red zone performance:

What has really helped New England has been a totally unsustainable level of performance in the red zone. Teams have made 11 trips into the red zone against the Patriots over the past three weeks and come away with a total of 31 points, good for a mere 2.8 points per possession. The Pats have allowed four touchdowns and a field goal, but they've otherwise blocked a field goal, enjoyed two misses, stopped opposing teams twice on downs, and forced that controversial fumble on Austin Seferian-Jenkins that probably should have been ruled a touchdown last Sunday.

Announcers love to fetishize the Patriots' bend-but-don't-break defense, but there isn't much evidence defenses can execute better in the red zone than they do over the remainder of the field on a year-after-year basis. While the Patriots were sixth in the league in red zone performance last season, that was Bill Belichick's best mark in a decade. Even if the Pats were to tighten up inside the 20, they're not going to force fumbles for touchbacks and induce three missed field goals in three weeks.

Speaking of, they've suddenly turned into the greatest field goal defense in league history. Opposing kickers are just 1-for-6 on field goals against the Patriots over the past three weeks, with four of those five failed attempts straight-up misses from Bryant and Nick Folk. That's just not going to keep up. The Patriots are better on defense, but this still isn't a good unit.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/Barnwellx171023/what-changed-2017-super-bowl-li-rematch-new-england-patriots-atlanta-falcons-why-falcons-trouble-nfl
   155. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5560401)
Another week (mostly) in the books, and I'm still pretty sure no one is any good this year


7 teams managed to score zero TDs. Is that normal?
   156. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5560471)
Good column from Barnwell on ESPN today in which he basically notes that the "improved" Pats defense of the last three weeks is mostly a mirage. Some of it is real, but most of it is unsustainable, primarily an insanely flukey red zone performance:

Yeah that column read very true even before he got to the numbers. In basically all of their wins there have been mitigating circumstances: bad playcalling from the opposing offense, missed throws from the opposing QB, weird/missed penalties, dropped/overturned turnovers, etc. I'm not saying it reflects poorly on the Pats that they've got a few breaks or anything like that, I'm just saying it wouldn't take a whole of plays swinging the other way for them to be like 3-4 right now.

But, as I mentioned above, no one else is any good, either, so I'd currently make them co-favorites in the AFC, along with the Chiefs (who were an overturned TD catch from Gronk from being completely out of the opening game against NE 5 minutes into the 1st quarter).
   157. stanmvp48 Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:08 PM (#5560485)
"What has really helped New England has been a totally unsustainable level of performance in the red zone. Teams have made 11 trips into the red zone against the Patriots over the past three weeks and come away with a total of 31 points, good for a mere 2.8 points per possession. "

38 points for 3.5 per possession if you count the TD that was taken away from the Jets
   158. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:11 PM (#5560489)
38 points for 3.5 per possession if you count the TD that was taken away from the Jets

Any context for where that would place them in the league? It looks bad to me but I don't know what the average is.
   159. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5560576)
38 points for 3.5 per possession if you count the TD that was taken away from the Jets


Any context for where that would place them in the league? It looks bad to me but I don't know what the average is.


I don't know either but if you're almost guaranteed a FG down there to start with then 3.5 would indeed look bad.
   160. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5560578)
But, as I mentioned above, no one else is any good, either, so I'd currently make them co-favorites in the AFC, along with the Chiefs (who were an overturned TD catch from Gronk from being completely out of the opening game against NE 5 minutes into the 1st quarter).


I'd bet that a bad defense is easier to fix than a bad offense. So in that case since the Pats have a top shelf offense they should be fine.... Indeed, if you just stop giving up TDs on broken coverage -- a disastrous problem that the Pats have managed to get under control -- your defense will improve a notch or two just from that. And I have a sense that such broken coverage plays are simply flukes.
   161. SteveF Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:37 PM (#5560675)
Most of the Patriots good 'defense' over the past few years has been an offense that generally doesn't turn the ball over and special teams coverage units. The Patriots allow more yards without giving up points because their opponent's average starting field position tends to be among the worst (or best from the Patriot's perspective) in the league.

It doesn't have much to do with the red zone, but it is (or has been) sustainable.

That said, for the first time all year they looked OK. The problem is that Atlanta might just suck. On the other hand, Carolina sucks on offense too and they gave up 30+ to them, so maybe not sucking against even a team that sucks on offense is an improvement.
   162. Srul Itza Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:21 PM (#5560722)
This is depressing.

Since the Giants have no chance this year, I am forced to root for the Eagles, who I hate, because I hate the Cowboys and Redskins even more than the Eagles (due largely to the putrescent scum that own those two franchises). I don't know enough about Jeffrey Lurie to develop that kind of hatred, but maybe somebody can enlighten me.
   163. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 23, 2017 at 11:54 PM (#5560743)
so, carson wentz is drew brees above the shoulders and before the snap, and ben roethlisberger, neck to toe and after the snap.

pretty good.
   164. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 24, 2017 at 12:48 AM (#5560750)
Yeah, it sure looks like the Eagles are going to be in the playoffs for ten years in a row.
   165. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 24, 2017 at 08:47 AM (#5560777)
I don't know enough about Jeffrey Lurie to develop that kind of hatred, but maybe somebody can enlighten me.


He just seems to be a smug rich kid who has mostly lucked his way into a fortune. Dumped his long time wife (who brought most of the money to the marriage) a few years ago for a 20 years younger woman. I wouldn't want to have a beer with him because
1) He seems pretty boring and smug
2) He's probably never had a beer in his life.

To be fair though, what do I know? Maybe down in his man cave he's a beer-swillin' frat boy.
   166. zenbitz Posted: October 24, 2017 at 07:00 PM (#5561224)
Wentz did look pretty stellar on Monday (note: Only watched 2nd half). But Matt Ryan was the best QB in the league last year.
   167. Howie Menckel Posted: October 24, 2017 at 08:35 PM (#5561299)

WFAN's Mike Francesa today tried to put Eli in Drew Brees territory because Brees "has unbelievable splits" at home vs road. "he's a dome quataback!"

funny thing is that his show is on in NY, yet every single caller was killing poor Mike.

it IS true that while Brees has a 101.2 career home QB rating, he slips to just 91.6 on the road.
Eli, meanwhile, is steady - 84.6 at home and 83.1 on the road.

Brees also slips from 72-47 at home to 63-58 on the road.
Eli again is steadier - 57-46 vs 53-53 on the road.

total yards are 67,763 vs 49,814.

top 10 finishes in QB rating, career:
Eli - 7th
Brees - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 10th

Mike continues to take an unmerciful beating even from Giants fans, pulls out the "2 ringzz to 1 line" a few times. then, scrambling, he remembers a high-scoring shootout between the two in the dome in 2015, and triumphantly has his aide dig up the numbers to show that on the same field, Eli is Brees' match. see:
Brees 39 for 50, 505 yards, 7 TD
Eli 30 for 41, 350 yards, 6 TD

point proven!

funny stuff
   168. Nasty Nate Posted: October 24, 2017 at 08:49 PM (#5561321)
It seems like people have started to care about QB Wins over the same time period as they stopped caring about SP Wins.
   169. SoSH U at work Posted: October 25, 2017 at 10:14 AM (#5561704)
Maybe down in his man cave he's a beer-swillin' frat boy.


That would make you want to have a beer with him?

   170. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 25, 2017 at 10:44 AM (#5561729)
That would make you want to have a beer with him?


Well, I did go hyperbolic there, didn't I? If he were somewhere around the mid-point of my perception of who he is and beer-swillin' frat boy, then yes.
   171. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM (#5562919)
dating back to 2006, the Eagles are 5-5 when they have been double-digit favorites, and have lost four of their last six.

   172. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 26, 2017 at 05:31 PM (#5563219)
dating back to 2006, the Eagles are 5-5 when they have been double-digit favorites, and have lost four of their last six.


I've never understood the relevance of revelations like this. What does 2006, 2010 or even the Chip Kelly era have to do with the 2017 team? They are on their 3rd coach, 5th(?) QB.
   173. Howie Menckel Posted: October 26, 2017 at 06:40 PM (#5563235)
the Eagles are cursed. film at 11
   174. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 26, 2017 at 07:04 PM (#5563243)
Alex Smith has taught me that Donovan McNabb was dramatically overrated.
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