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Free agent NFL cornerback Antonio Cromartie and his wife Terricka announced the birth of baby girl Jhett Paxton, born Aug. 30.

This is the couple’s sixth child, and it is Cromartie’s fourteenth. By our count, it is his third child since (supposedly) having a vasectomy during his tenure with the New York Jets in 2013.

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   1001. McCoy Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:24 PM (#5606075)
Flip
   1002. McCoy Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:25 PM (#5606077)
It's a catch
   1003. JJ1986 Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:25 PM (#5606078)
That looks like it's not a catch the way they call the rule The ball bounced from one tip to the other.
   1004. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:30 PM (#5606081)
Yeah, no way that was a catch, given the current standards.
   1005. SteveF Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:31 PM (#5606083)
Here's a question for the crowd. You score a touchdown to go up by 1. How little time does there need to be on the clock for you to not go for the 2 point conversion?
   1006. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:33 PM (#5606084)
I don't think there's any question that the Falcons would go for 2 if they get a TD here. What's the downside?
   1007. JJ1986 Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:40 PM (#5606086)
Did Tevin Coleman just fall over on that play?
   1008. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:41 PM (#5606088)
Ugly.
   1009. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:41 PM (#5606090)
Jones fell down and was shoved down by the DB as he tried to get up, before the ball was thrown; how is that not holding?
   1010. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5606093)
I don't think there's any question that the Falcons would go for 2 if they get a TD here. What's the downside?

Turnover taken back for a 2 pointer against them, I assume. But even if you are afraid of that, you can just run the ball straight ahead.

Falcons played like garbage, and deserve to lose. I said they were overrated, should have stuck with it.
   1011. MHS Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:45 PM (#5606095)
I think the Falcons, are highly overrated and love the Eagles as a home dog. The Falcons are getting the benefit of two things, 1) recency bias as people are putting way to much emphasis on a strong recent defensive performances and 2) over extrapolation, since their offense was wonderful last season it is still wonderful. When in reality the defense is rather below average, and the offense is merely good. The Eagles, while obviously have the headline issue of blah QB play - their defense is easily the best unit in the game and will get to play home. 2x normal bet on the Eagles, with the points.


Nailed that one. Though, god what a horribly coached game.
   1012. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 13, 2018 at 07:49 PM (#5606098)
Last page I predicted the Falcons would win late with the Eagles covering... really thought I was going to nail that one. Agreed that it wasn't a huge shock, though. I do think the winner of Vikings-Saints is going to roll the Eagles next weekend, though.

I'll be surprised if the Patriots aren't up 20+ at halftime tonight.
   1013. SteveF Posted: January 13, 2018 at 08:01 PM (#5606105)
I don't think the Patriots defense will get off the field fast enough to give the Patriots offense enough possessions to build a 20 point lead by halftime. Plus, it's pretty cold out there!
   1014. JJ1986 Posted: January 13, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5606126)
Nice TD catch.
   1015. JJ1986 Posted: January 13, 2018 at 09:51 PM (#5606135)
I don't think Mike Mularkey is a good gameday coach.
   1016. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 13, 2018 at 10:04 PM (#5606137)
Paste must be surprised right now.
   1017. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 13, 2018 at 10:14 PM (#5606140)
I don't think Mike Mularkey is a good gameday coach.

He's awful. And it's beyond dumb, that he is going to keep his job because of the annual Andy Reid playoff meltdown, and Mariota catching his own pass for a TD.

The Titans team has quite a bit of talent. But they are just soooo sub-optimal in terms of scheme, and using that talent to their fullest potential.
   1018. SteveF Posted: January 13, 2018 at 11:05 PM (#5606154)
Brady headed to 6-2 in playoffs when passing 50+ times. All other quarterbacks are a combined 1-9.
   1019. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 13, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5606157)
Seven straight AFC title games for the Patriots. Wow.
   1020. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 13, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5606159)
Had Cook kept running instead of jumping, that would have been a TD.
   1021. MHS Posted: January 13, 2018 at 11:41 PM (#5606164)
I like the Pats and the over. I don't think Tennessee will be able to slow down the Patroits offense. The extra week of rest plus the return of White, Hogan and Burkhead all loom large for the Patriots. I have little confidence in the Patriots D, but I don't expect the Titians to be able to keep up, though I wouldn't be surprised to see them put up 20ish. Bet the Pats and the Over.


Didn’t nail this one, but still scoped thanks to the garbage time TD.

Up 4 bets after 2 games and locked in 1.5 bet profit heading into Sunday, on a free role. That’s high end (lucky) gambling.

Mularkey is turrible.
   1022. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM (#5606166)
Done and done for Foles. On to the NFC Championship game.
   1023. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:08 AM (#5606179)
Yeah, that win was all Foles.
   1024. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:17 AM (#5606186)
Well, foles and the falcons
   1025. Ithaca2323 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 08:58 AM (#5606190)
Foles wasn’t good. But he didn’t have to be. He wasn’t an abject disaster, though he was lucky on the pick.

The Falcons were terribly coached in every way, and a typical Atlanta performance in the red zone sealed their fate
   1026. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: January 14, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5606195)
Nick Foles made history for the Philadelphia Eagles in their 15-10 victory over the Atlanta Falcons Saturday night.

Foles finished 23-for-30 (76.7 percent) for 246 yards and a 100.1 passer rating in the win. In two career playoff starts, Foles has completed 46-of-63 (73.0%) passes for 441 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions and a 102.7 passer rating.

Foles is the first quarterback in NFL history to have a passer rating over 100 in his first two postseason starts (minimum 30 attempts in each start).
this is trivia, not analysis, and i still have zero confidence in foles, but i'm 92% sure he's better than bortles.
   1027. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 14, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5606214)
Takeaways from the Eagles:
1. They made a lot of mistakes in the first half, but shored things up in the 2nd.
2. Foles' numbers look a lot better than he did, somehow. He was meh, which was good enough against this Falcons team.
3. The Eagles Backs were not beaten deep by any double moves, that is encouraging. Is Julio Jones simply the world's foremost possession receiver any more or is that crappy scheme?
4. The Eagles D won a game for them. They seem to be getting better as the season progresses. Can't see them winning 2 more though. ;(
   1028. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5606233)
A lot of football left but, geez, Jax sure looks like they have Pittsburgh’s number.
   1029. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5606237)
Foles got lucky with that knee ball that took an interception and turned it into a first down. I also believe the eagles scored on that drive.
   1030. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5606238)
How on earth do you call a pitch play on 4th and inches. Jesus, that is your best play? Tomlin is a joke.
   1031. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5606239)
Wow, who had Jax up 14-0 after one quarter in his script?

   1032. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5606243)
How about who had Jax with 21 unanswered points?
   1033. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 14, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5606244)
Wow, who had Jax up 14-0 after one quarter in his script?

Well, they did beat the Steelers by 30 to 9 in this same stadium earlier in the year.
   1034. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5606250)
Double post
   1035. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5606251)
The Jags barely scraped by against an underwhelming Bills team at home in good weather, so the expectations for this game were less than lofty. I still half expect them to blow the early lead...

And if Fournette is out, which puts more of the burden on Bortles, the Jags better hope their vaunted defense is up to the task.
   1036. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5606255)
Losing Fournette will be huge but this seems to me more that Jax is in the heads of the Steelers. I know that isn’t very analytical but after almost six quarters this season it’s 58-16 and the Steelers can’t hold on to the ball.
   1037. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5606256)
Is ANY play in an NFL game in real time anymore? The quest for absolute precision in the form of endless reviews has destroyed the flow of the game. I'm sure there are those who view this as a good thing...

   1038. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5606257)
You can see why Jacksonville's defense matches up well against the Steelers. Ben likes to hold the ball forever, and the Jags' pass rush is going to get to him more often than not.
   1039. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5606259)
@1037: I watched two EPL games this morning and the difference is striking.
   1040. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5606260)
So is Jacksonville actually a good team now? Feels weird.
   1041. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5606263)
Lol Jacksonville, wow
   1042. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5606264)
I'm sure that if you had told Jags fans they would go into halftime with a two-touchdown lead over Pittsburgh, they would have gladly taken it. But somehow, I get the feeling that Jax has lifted its boot from the snake's head a bit too early.
   1043. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5606266)
What a ###### by JAX. With so little time on the clock and a 21-point lead, the only really bad outcome for them was a completion over the top. If they had given up a 20-yard gain over the middle PIT almost certainly would have had to settle for 3.

I was thinking on that play that if PIT was willing to settle for 3, they should have just gone for the long FG, because with so little time on the clock getting a first down (hard enough already) would probably only yield a shorter FG, and a missed FG probably just means JAX would kneel down anyway. When I saw them going for it on 4th I assumed their first option would be a long pass over the top. Sure enough.

Facing such a big deficit it was the right gamble by PIT, but what the hell was JAX doing?
   1044. spycake Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5606269)
What about taking a knee with 25 seconds and 2 timeouts left? Seems like another bad decision by JAX.
   1045. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5606275)
What about taking a knee with 25 seconds and 2 timeouts left? Seems like another bad decision by JAX.
From their own 25 with a 14-point lead? I don't think there's any NFL team that would ever do anything else, but that doesn't mean it's the right decision of course.
   1046. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5606277)
You know, except for forcing the turnovers, the JAX defense has not played well today.
   1047. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5606291)
Blake Bortles is the Jeff Francoeur of football, except within games, rather than seasons.
   1048. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5606298)
Jeez. And that probably should have been DPI too. Crazy game.
   1049. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5606301)
Biggest surprise of this game might be JAX's success against the PIT defense. A lot of that is 3rd down conversions.
   1050. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5606302)
Well, I certainly didn't see that coming, and neither did the Steelers. I expected the Jags to drain the clock and kick the field goal. That was a gutsy call.
   1051. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5606305)
I had a dream last night that I was challenged to come up all the hyphenated last names in the NFL. I thought of Sefarian-Jenkins, Rodgers-Cromartie and Smith-Schuster. I know there's also a Packers offensive lineman, but I couldn't think of him.
   1052. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5606308)
Neither defense has covered itself in glory today.

#1051 -- Clinton-Dix?
   1053. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5606309)
Pittsburgh should have gone for 2 right there, but coaches never do that.
   1054. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5606310)
Big Ben has had an amazing game.
   1055. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5606312)
Worst onside kick ever?
   1056. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5606313)
I thought the onside kick was a fine choice, but that was an awful kick.
   1057. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5606315)
Since Fournette came back from his ankle injury, I think his longest run has been 2 yards.
   1058. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5606317)
That was a neat play by Roethlisberger/Bell.

Broadcasters strongly opposed to the onside kick. Because of how dominant the Steelers' defense has looked today, I guess.
   1059. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5606318)
Yeah, if you do a proper OK, even if you don't recover, the ball is at the 50 or so. So if you get a 3 and out from there, you can still get the ball back, and have a chance to score. If you don't get a 3 and out, it is over anyway. But that terrible kick with the penalty basically puts them in FG range, which is a game changer.
   1060. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5606319)
Broadcasters strongly opposed to the onside kick. Because of how dominant the Steelers' defense has looked today, I guess.
Fouts was also worried about the FG, which shouldn't have been a concern (one first down basically ends it) but is now with the terrible kick and the penalty.

Edit: coke.
   1061. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5606320)
That's probably the game, but the Steelers have been amazingly resilient all day.

Announcers still bloviating about the onside kick decision. The problem was the execution (cokes to all).
   1062. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5606322)
Well, you have to factor that in to your decision.
   1063. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5606323)
500 yards of offense for PIT.
   1064. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5606324)
Do a fg
   1065. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5606325)
Dumb
   1066. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5606326)
Have to recover the onside kick and take it to the House, now.
   1067. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5606327)
Might as well go for two
   1068. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5606328)
Pray for a penalty
   1069. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5606329)
That seemed dumb. Were they hoping to bounce it off somebody?
   1070. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5606331)
I'd take NE at -10. JAX is terrible... nothing that happened today changes my opinion on that.
   1071. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5606332)
I don't think the Jags can knock off the AFC's top two teams on the road in consecutive weeks, but weirder things have happened. Like a 45-42 shootout today.
   1072. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5606333)
Pittsburgh should have gone for 2 right there, but coaches never do that.

I assume this was posted when they scored a TD down 14? If so, I agree. Always have. The break-even point for a team down 14 going for 2 is around 39% conversion rate (assuming you are 50/50 to win in OT).

ETA: Probably slightly lower, since that doesn't take into account the chance of missing a PAT.
   1073. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5606334)
Should have kicked a FG as soon as they were within 20 yards. Doing that would have also prevented the 10 second run off.
   1074. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5606335)
[1069] Well, if they don’t touch it, I don’t think the kicking team can advance the ball. And it’s going to take a second to secure the ball if they don’t touch it. And it’s probably easier to recover and score if you kick somewhat deep so it’s past most of the other team already and you only need one guy to fumble it as opposed to getting the ball out of a scrum and then beating the guys who are hanging back deep.
   1075. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5606338)
there's a decent chance NE will get to win a super bowl by going through mariotta, bortles and foles. has any team gone through a worse collection of QBs in the super bowl era? best (well, worst) i can find is the 98 broncos, who went through a 52 year old marino, vinny testaverde and chris chandler.
   1076. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5606339)
Marietta, Bortles and Keenum is also a possibility as well.
   1077. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5606341)
I don't think Jacksonville has much hope of beating New England, but they're likely to give them a tougher game than Pittsburgh would have--Pittsburgh's defense got badly beaten up late in the year and just sucks at this point, as we saw today--and is also definitely going to beat Brady up a lot more than Pittsburgh would have.
   1078. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5606342)
Mediocre QBs are Patriot kryptonite in the super bowl.
   1079. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5606343)
Mediocre QBs are Patriot kryptonite in the super bowl.

Heh, really it was just the one mediocre QB. Not sure if that is enough to establish a trend.
   1080. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5606345)
Besides, they handed Delhomme.
   1081. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 14, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5606346)
And McNabb.

Oh yes, STIGGLES. I went there.
   1082. McCoy Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5606349)
Bears in 85 had Phil Simms and some guy called Dieter Brock who I have absolutely no memory of. The big weapon going into that game was Dickerson. They then face Steve Grogan in the super bowl.

A lot different than their last SB appearance where they have to face Hassrlback, Brees, and Manning.
   1083. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5606351)
And McNabb.

Oh yes, STIGGLES. I went there.

mcnabb has a bad rep*, but reid deserves more blame for the game management issues that plagued those early/mid 2000s teams.

i'm sure there are better teams that never won a super bowl, but those eagles were a draft pick (fred/ex over reggie wayne and chad johnson), a tantrum (TO forcing his release) and a handful of in-game decisions away from winning multiple super bowls.


*mcnabb deserves that rep off the field. drunk driving, sexual harassment, backing management instead of TO after the super bowl, not beating rush limbaugh into a bloodless pulp.
   1084. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5606353)
Minnesota is looking dominant.
   1085. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5606354)
The Saints have the Vikings right where they want them.
   1086. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5606357)
Oh, that hurt. The Saints were ready to get on the board.
   1087. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:52 PM (#5606359)
Why was the gameclock running after the delay of game?
   1088. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 06:07 PM (#5606362)
58 in a dome is pretty much like 53 outside.
   1089. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 14, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5606365)
NE favored by 9 or 10 at the open.
   1090. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 14, 2018 at 06:19 PM (#5606366)
Can't bet New England hard enough at -9.
   1091. Howie Menckel Posted: January 14, 2018 at 06:20 PM (#5606367)
Jaguars star Calais Campbell did an NFL Network interview last week after the 10-3 win over the Bills:

"We try to win any way we can," Campbell said. "One play at a time and execute but I'll take it 2–0 if it comes that way or 45–42, if it comes that way. As long as we win, I'm happy."

(well played, Mr. Campbell)
   1092. . . . . . . Posted: January 14, 2018 at 06:30 PM (#5606371)
I love that little FB dive MN called to get that first down. That LB bit so hard on the HB and they didn’t even need to fake the pitch.
   1093. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:10 PM (#5606380)
Looks like a catch
   1094. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5606381)
That was a catch. Not a smart challenge by Payton.
   1095. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:14 PM (#5606382)
I think Payton just wasted another one.
   1096. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:15 PM (#5606383)
Does Payton get a commission for burning timeouts?
   1097. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:15 PM (#5606385)
Gah. Too much stress for this Viking fan.
   1098. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:16 PM (#5606386)
He’s certainly in the act of throwing when his knee hits, but the ball is still in contact with his fingers.
   1099. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:17 PM (#5606387)
If you buy the icing theory, this isn’t a bad challenge.

They really need a better review system.
   1100. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 14, 2018 at 07:18 PM (#5606388)
If you buy the icing theory, this isn’t a bad challenge.


I buy the theory that there are still another seven minutes for the refs to spectacularly blow a call in Minnesota's favor, which could leave Payton really wishing he was allowed to challenge.
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