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Free agent NFL cornerback Antonio Cromartie and his wife Terricka announced the birth of baby girl Jhett Paxton, born Aug. 30.

This is the couple’s sixth child, and it is Cromartie’s fourteenth. By our count, it is his third child since (supposedly) having a vasectomy during his tenure with the New York Jets in 2013.

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   1301. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 16, 2018 at 08:22 PM (#5607725)
I thought of 86 mets/sox series as a comp. Out of nowhere play to win it. But the Mets still had to win more going forward.

Same with the 2011 Cardinals after that unworldly comeback in game six. Other than the game that SoSH and Kepner mention, all the others either had fewer than two outs at the time of the final hit or weren't the deciding games.

There was, though, one other game that would have topped the Braves-Pirates LCS, and that's game 7 of the 1962 World Series. If McCovey's final line drive out had been two feet higher, that would've been the perfect comparison, since it would've converted a 1-0 loss into a 2-1 walkoff win.

But even that doesn't quite come up to the miracle finish yesterday, because the odds of a McCovey (or Cabrera) hit were almost infinitely better than Keenum's touchdown pass. Hell, a kickoff return for a touchdown would've been more likely.
   1302. Nasty Nate Posted: January 16, 2018 at 08:38 PM (#5607728)
If a runner is on his feet when he goes out of bounds, even if he is heading backwards, i think they can stop the clock. Because being pushed back by a defender doesn't immediately end a play.
   1303. dave h Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5607744)
one source that the clock runs

another

I think this was a rule change in the last 10 or so years, if that helps.
   1304. McCoy Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:12 PM (#5607745)
On that play I think it would have been virtually impossible for a safety to be coming at Diggs from the sideline. I don't know if that was the reason the Vikings called that play but it was the perfect play against that defensive setup. The only flaw was that Diggs drifted to far inbounds and should have been a lot closer to the sideline. Of course because of that he got the touchdown instead of the Vikings trying for a FG so I think the Vikings are fine with that.
   1305. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:17 PM (#5607748)
Are the Eagles dead men walking with Foles?
short answer: yes.

long answer: other teams have also lost MVP caliber starting QBs in recent years. the colts multiple times with manning, then luck, then luck again; the packers with rodgers; NE lost brady for a year; DAL lost romo in 2015. in most of those cases, those teams tanked hard, sometimes going from super bowl contenders to drafting in the top 5.

that this didn't happen to the eagles shows how solid this team was built by howie roseman. those teams didn't have a foundation other than their QB; this team does.

i don't think they have a chance. i might be wrong.
   1306. Nasty Nate Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5607752)
in most of those cases, those teams tanked hard, sometimes going from super bowl contenders to drafting in the top 5.

that this didn't happen to the eagles shows how solid this team was built by howie roseman.
I don't disagree in general, but they also had 11 wins in their back pocket.
   1307. dave h Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5607753)
There is no perfect play to cover 20-30 yards and get out of bounds with 10 seconds left and no timeouts. They should have rushed 3, they should have all played deeper and more towards the sideline. Then either the receiver is too far inbounds, or you can make a relatively easy play on the ball. What you give up is the 5 yard out, but that takes too much time to get in FG range so then you just defend the hail mary.
   1308. McCoy Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5607756)
Well let's not carried away here. The eagles barely beat the Giants. A 3-13 team. Barely beat the raiders at 6-10 team that lost its last for games and 5 of its last 7 games and then got shut out by the cowboys who went 9-7 because of that game. In the playoffs they fortunately had a bye and they barely squeaked by the Falcons only because the falcons did their usual carp the bed. Foles from the beginning do not get the eagles to 13-3. They probably get something like 4 to 6 wins with him at QB
   1309. Nasty Nate Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5607766)
one source that the clock runs

another

I think this was a rule change in the last 10 or so years, if that helps.
Thank you.
   1310. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:17 PM (#5607771)
I had previously thought Williams made a bad but essentially rational decision, to try to take Diggs' legs out from under him to ensure he went down in bounds. But given Williams' angle of approach that can't be so. Williams tried to take Diggs' legs out just for an exclamation-point highlight to end the game with, when he could and should have just wrapped him up and tackled him.


Do we actually see wrapup tackles on a play like that? I thought we generally see just what Williams did. Yes, it was dumb given the game situation but as I said Sunday night, I think Williams simply did what he was trained to do on that play type, without factoring in game situation.
   1311. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5607775)
Well let's not carried away here. The eagles barely beat the Giants. A 3-13 team. Barely beat the raiders at 6-10 team that lost its last for games and 5 of its last 7 games and then got shut out by the cowboys who went 9-7 because of that game. In the playoffs they fortunately had a bye and they barely squeaked by the Falcons only because the falcons did their usual carp the bed. Foles from the beginning do not get the eagles to 13-3. They probably get something like 4 to 6 wins with him at QB


There's no support for this outlandish statement of 4 to 6 wins. He has a 23-18 record as a starter (.561) with an 87 career QB rating. At absolute worst he's Eli Manning, who is 119-107 on his career (.527) -- but Eli has never put up a season even remotely resembling the 119 QB rating Foles had in 10 starts as a 24 year old.

Folks -- you can't give Foles zero credit for his 3-1 record as the Eagles starter this year including the playoff win against a Falcons team that was favored in the game despite being on the road, and at the same time say that he's only good for 4-6 wins on the season. If the Eagles carried him to 3-1 then it doesn't make sense to at the same time say that they could "only" get him 4-6 wins during the regular season. It's a logically inconsistent argument.

   1312. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5607776)
It's an overbid, sure, like saying that the Eagles haven't missed a beat with Foles instead of Wentz. The truth is more complicated, and likely somewhere in the middle.
   1313. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:50 PM (#5607779)
There's no support for this outlandish statement of 4 to 6 wins.
It's an overbid, sure, like saying that the Eagles haven't missed a beat with Foles instead of Wentz. The truth is more complicated, and likely somewhere in the middle.


Both true statements.

The Eagles are worse with Foles at the helm. Everyone knows this and the Vegas odds reflect it. Weird how some folks revere every market except the betting markets. Strange.

Anyway what actually matters, of course, is not how well the Eagles would do in a full season with Foles, but how well they will do next week. I think they lose next week, but I am hardly unbiased in the matter.
   1314. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 16, 2018 at 11:05 PM (#5607789)
Both true statements.

The Eagles are worse with Foles at the helm. Everyone knows this


I don't. I expect him to win this weekend and while I'd obviously take Brady over Foles every time, I'd be happy to go to war with Foles even against Brady.

and the Vegas odds reflect it.


What we're seeing is that the Eagles are shooting themselves in the foot by changing the game plan with Foles as the starter. That's suboptimal to say the least but Foles can still find guys open deep if they're there and if the Eagles aren't winning as the game unfolds there's a greater chance they'll need to let Foles try to win it.
   1315. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5607845)
Folks -- you can't give Foles zero credit for his 3-1 record as the Eagles starter this year including the playoff win against a Falcons team that was favored in the game despite being on the road, and at the same time say that he's only good for 4-6 wins on the season. If the Eagles carried him to 3-1 then it doesn't make sense to at the same time say that they could "only" get him 4-6 wins during the regular season. It's a logically inconsistent argument.

In the 12 full games Wentz played, the Eagles scored 30.08 points per game. In the four full starts from Foles, they have averaged 17, against defenses ranked 22, 24, 25, and 29 by DVOA. I give Foles full credit for that record.
   1316. McCoy Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5607989)
Folks -- you can't give Foles zero credit for his 3-1 record as the Eagles starter this year including the playoff win against a Falcons team that was favored in the game despite being on the road, and at the same time say that he's only good for 4-6 wins on the season. If the Eagles carried him to 3-1 then it doesn't make sense to at the same time say that they could "only" get him 4-6 wins during the regular season. It's a logically inconsistent argument.

Sounds like the Tim Tebow argument

Week 3, 4 and 5 would probably be losses with Foles. Week 6 they beat the Redskins by 10 but Wentz throws 4 TD and the Eagles don't really have a rushing game going. Foles would probably lose this one if he puts up anything less than 23 points. You then have the blowout. They still allow 23 points and Wentz throws 4 TD. I would say Foles still wins this one. Week 11 and 12 probably go down as wins because the defense refuses to allow points. Week 14 is probably a loss.

So being most generous to the Eagles they would have gone 8-8. Like I said I think that is generous. Foles hasn't been a very good QB this year or really any other year besides his surprise year many years ago. He knows it himself. He almost retired and heading into the playoff game he readily admitted that he had to play a lot better for the Eagles and that his 3 regular season games were subpar.
   1317. JJ1986 Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5608018)
other teams have also lost MVP caliber starting QBs in recent years. the colts multiple times with manning, then luck, then luck again; the packers with rodgers; NE lost brady for a year; DAL lost romo in 2015. in most of those cases, those teams tanked hard, sometimes going from super bowl contenders to drafting in the top 5.
This is your most insane post ever. Not only did Wentz play the team's first 13 games, but the rest isn't even true. The Patriots didn't tank without Brady. The Packers didn't tank when they lost Rogers (in 2013 they made the playoffs; they only gave up this year when they were eliminated.) The Cowboys brought Romo back late in 2015. The 2015 Colts were 3-4 when Luck got hurt and won their next 2 games. I'm not even sure the Colts were trying to tank this year. But the 2011 Colts did tank when Manning was hurt before the season.
   1318. SoSH U at work Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5608034)
This is your most insane post ever. Not only did Wentz play the team's first 13 games, but the rest isn't even true. The Patriots didn't tank without Brady. The Packers didn't tank when they lost Rogers (in 2013 they made the playoffs; they only gave up this year when they were eliminated.) The Cowboys brought Romo back late in 2015. The 2015 Colts were 3-4 when Luck got hurt and won their next 2 games. I'm not even sure the Colts were trying to tank this year. But the 2011 Colts did tank when Manning was hurt before the season.


I took "tank" to mean played poorly, rather than not caring about winning. It's still not that accurate. The Colts only lost Manning once, for instance. And the Pats went 11-5 with Brady.
   1319. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5608039)
I think "tanked hard" is supposed to mean "suddenly collapsed", not the modern meaning of "intentionally losing games to get a high draft pick". Under that definition the Packers without Rodgers are the perfect example. In 2013 they went from 5-2 to 5-5 with Seneca Wallace and Scott Tolzein in charge, then Matt Flynn came in to get them to the playoffs with a sterling 8-7-1 record. This year they were 4-1 when Rodgers got hurt and ended 7-9.
   1320. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5608063)
So being most generous to the Eagles they would have gone 8-8. Like I said I think that is generous. Foles hasn't been a very good QB this year or really any other year besides his surprise year many years ago. He knows it himself. He almost retired and heading into the playoff game he readily admitted that he had to play a lot better for the Eagles and that his 3 regular season games were subpar.


Fortunately the defense they (Foles and co) are facing on Sunday is not very good, so they can take it easy. :)
   1321. JJ1986 Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5608100)
I took "tank" to mean played poorly, rather than not caring about winning.

I think "tanked hard" is supposed to mean "suddenly collapsed", not the modern meaning of "intentionally losing games to get a high draft pick".

My bad. You guys must be right.
   1322. zenbitz Posted: January 17, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5608126)
Foles from the beginning do not get the eagles to 13-3. They probably get something like 4 to 6 wins with him at QB


Well if you shave 2 wins due to pythags (PHL should be more like 11-5, I don't see Wentz > Foles being 5-7 wins. I would see them more in the 8-8 range +/-1. Similar team to Arizona.
   1323. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5608137)
The weather forecast for Philly on Sunday is (right now) Partly Sunny with a high of 50. I hope it stays right there, because that would be some fine football weather.
   1324. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 20, 2018 at 08:52 PM (#5610285)
Predictions, because why not?:

Patriots 35, Jaguars 10
Eagles 22, Vikings 20
   1325. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 08:33 AM (#5610349)
Go Jags!
   1326. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: January 21, 2018 at 09:25 AM (#5610355)
Mine:

Jaguars 21, Patriots 17
Vikings 30, Eagles 7
   1327. bunyon Posted: January 21, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5610362)
Jags 27 Pats 21
Vikings 44 Eagles 2
   1328. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5610377)
Patriots -7.5
Vikings -3
   1329. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 21, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5610389)

Jags +7.5 (but New England wins the game)
Vikes -3
   1330. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5610395)

Pats 27, Jags 23
Vikings 21, Eagles 17

I think both games will be close and entertaining.
   1331. MHS Posted: January 21, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5610420)
Pats cover easily.
Eagles and the points.
   1332. Nasty Nate Posted: January 21, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5610421)
I predict 17-13 in the AFC Championship and Vikings beat Philly 31-10.
   1333. zenbitz Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5610425)
Prediction is a mug's game. I am wish casting Jags and Iglesias, straight up.
   1334. zenbitz Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5610426)
That's a phone typo but obviously it stands a later further reviews...
   1335. SoSH U at work Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5610428)
All I ever want from my Jacksonville game announcers is they don't say Jagwires. Sadly, CBS couldn't oblige.
   1336. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5610430)
Patriots defense getting torched right now. Wide open receiver after wide open receiver.
   1337. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5610432)
Patriots defense getting torched right now. Wide open receiver after wide open receiver.

They are getting completely manhandled by the Jacksonville OLine. No penetration, no pressure whatsoever.
   1338. McCoy Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5610434)
I predict a Jaguar win
   1339. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5610436)
Pats are doomed.
   1340. McCoy Posted: January 21, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5610438)
Patriots d line looks like a bunch of grandmas
   1341. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5610439)
I can't recall the last time I saw the Patriots look this bad. This is even worse than the first half of the Super Bowl.
   1342. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5610441)
Coughlin always puts together teams that can get pressure with a 4 man rush, and that’s Belichek kryptonite.
   1343. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5610442)
Barry Sanders is soft in the middle like me. That’s comforting, in a sense.
   1344. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5610444)
I've learned the hard way that you never assume a game is over until the game is actually over, but boy, this game sure feels familiar.
   1345. Greg K Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5610446)
As much as I'd like to think the Jaguars have it in the bag...

New England is capable of scoring two touchdowns in a half.
   1346. Voodoo Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5610447)
This game definitely feels like the home playoff losses New England suffered to Baltimore.
   1347. SoSH U at work Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5610448)
What a terrible decision by the punt team. There's no reason they should have been punting before the 2 minute warning.
   1348. Greg K Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5610449)
What a terrible decision by the punt team. There's no reason they should have been punting before the 2 minute warning.

Yeah what as odd. They seemed intent on running 3rd down after the 2 minute warning. Then NE calls time out, they run a play...and they rush the punt team out to beat the clock. Huh?
   1349. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5610450)
The Jags are a pretty dirty team, huh? That hit on Gronk should have been an ejection.
   1350. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5610451)
Two boneheaded penalties from Jax in this drive, after that punting silliness. Almost like they wanted to give up that touchdown... and they did.
   1351. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5610452)
I don’t get that quick snap at the line at all. Left Jacksonville a ton of time.
   1352. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5610453)
Don't understand why they didn't run the clock down to 30 seconds there, and give the Jags a minute left...
   1353. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5610454)
It's worth 15 yards every time to KO Gronkowski. Very dirty hit. Also a very smart hit.

It will remain so until the NFL starts suspending people for it.
   1354. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5610455)
I am surprised the Pats haven't managed to get more going in the passing game to Lewis and White. That seemed like the obvious mismatch. Maybe Gronk being out might force them in that direction, and be a blessing in disguise.
   1355. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5610457)
Wow, taking a knee with a minute and 2 timeouts, is a huge gift.
   1356. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5610458)
And then the Jaguars take a knee with a minute left and two timeouts.
   1357. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5610459)
I think we have to swap cokes now for 1351/52 and 1355/56.
   1358. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5610460)
Coke swaps offset, still first down.
   1359. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5610461)
It's worth 15 yards every time to KO Gronkowski. Very dirty hit. Also a very smart hit.

What goes around comes around. At least that's what I'd imagine Tre'Davious White is thinking right about now.

It will remain so until the NFL starts suspending people for it.

You got that right.
   1360. Voodoo Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5610467)
The NFL did suspend Gronk.
   1361. reech Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5610468)
That was a huge first down for the Jags there. Killed the Pat's momentum they would have had from scoring at the end of the 1st half and potentially taking the lead right off...
   1362. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5610471)
Jacksonville is throwing away down by running the ball. The Patriots’ secondary is covering no one today
   1363. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5610472)
Wow, Lambo absolutely crushed that kick.
   1364. reech Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5610473)
Romo is a good analyst, but he needs to drink less coffee.
   1365. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5610475)
Gronk out for the rest of the game. Being dirty works.
   1366. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5610477)
50+ is the new 40+.
   1367. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5610478)
Wtf, Cooks! Probably would have been a TD
   1368. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5610479)
The NFL did suspend Gronk.

For one whole game. Big Whoops. When they also keep the offender off the field for as long as the player he injures remains on the DL, then maybe these cold cocks will cease.
   1369. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5610480)
NE should go for it. Their defense is trash right now.
   1370. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5610481)
I'd have to see the replay of the hit on Gronk, but in real time it looked like a hard hit, not a dirty hit.
   1371. SteveF Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5610483)
I'd have to see the replay of the hit on Gronk, but in real time it looked like a hard hit, not a dirty hit.

You need to see the replay, then. Officials got it right. I'd expect a fine as well.
   1372. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 21, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5610486)
Helmet to helmet by itself kind of qualifies as dirty.
   1373. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:00 PM (#5610488)
Wow, taking a knee with a minute and 2 timeouts, is a huge gift.


Indeed.

Being down 14-3 in the second quarter is not game over, folks... 17 points is a broken game at any point but 11 points is not. Certainly down 7 in the 3rd quarter is not.
   1374. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5610489)
The Pats' defense is looking pretty healthy now, or maybe it's just Bortles becoming Bortles again.
   1375. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5610490)
Gronk out for the rest of the game. Being dirty works.


Barely moves the needle as to the outcome. But at least Andy's thirst for blood is quenched.

The silly thing about the hit was that it was utterly counter productive: Gronk had just dropped the ball before the hit. And exchanging the yardage there and subsequent TD for Gronk missing the rest of the game is a trade I make every time if I'm the Patriots.
   1376. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5610492)
Helmet to helmet by itself kind of qualifies as dirty.

IDK, there are helmet to helmets that can be incidental, not intentional.

I've looked for a replay online, but haven't been able to find it. I'd have to see it again, but at the time it seemed to me like the penalty was by rule because the helmets collided, not because it was particularly savage.

Either way, sucks for Gronk. Hopefully the concussion isn't serious.
   1377. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5610493)
Wow, can't believe Belichick punted there.
   1378. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5610496)
Punting repeatedly on 4th and 2 at midfield is ridiculous.
   1379. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5610497)
Here's a link to the hit.

It all happened so fast. I am not convinced that it was intentional. He's just trying to make a play in the event that the ball had got caught. And as Ray said, it's not like it was a particularly smart play.

Impossible to know what was in his head. But I don't think it was intentional. Hard hit, not dirty. The injury was unfortunate, but knocking him out of the game with a head injury doesn't seem to have been the objective of the defender.
   1380. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5610498)
6 - 4 - 3: Here's a video of Barry Church's hit on Gronkowski.
   1381. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5610499)
Man Fournette is just the ####### balls as a back. So big, so nimble.
   1382. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5610501)
The silly thing about the hit was that it was utterly counter productive: Gronk had just dropped the ball before the hit. And exchanging the yardage there and subsequent TD for Gronk missing the rest of the game is a trade I make every time if I'm the Patriots.

This is the silly thing. There was about a quarter of a second between Gronk dropping the ball and getting decked. There is no way the defender had any clue about it, or had time to pull out, even if he did. Chances are his eyes are not even looking in that direction.
   1383. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5610502)
This is the silly thing. There was about a quarter of a second between Gronk dropping the ball and getting decked. There is no way the defender had any clue about it, or had time to pull out, even if he did. Chances are his eyes are not even looking in that direction.


I didn't say the defender knew he had dropped it. Try reading for a change, instead of just typing with RAEG every time I write something.
   1384. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5610503)
Either way, sucks for Gronk. Hopefully the concussion isn't serious.

I hope it's completely cleared up by dinnertime.
   1385. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5610504)
It's a dumb strategy to keep punting 4th and short at midfield when you're down in the 3rd quarter. If you're up, fine.
   1386. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5610505)
This will be one of the better comebacks of Brady's career if he can overcome a 10 point deficit against this defense.
   1387. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5610506)

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How do u even evaluate rob gronkowski for a concusson?
   1388. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5610507)
Every time they say Lambo I hear Lambeau.

   1389. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5610509)
TBF, Jax clearly has made a strategic decision to pop people hard over the middle. That wasn’t the first REALLY hard hit by contemporary standards. But Belichek exploits the new rules protecting receivers to eviscerste people with passes over the middle to undersized backs and receivers that wouldn’t have lasted the way the game was played 15 years ago. I think Jaxfully expected to earn a 15 yard penalty or two but worth it to force the Pats to get off their game plan.
   1390. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5610510)
I didn't say the defender knew he had dropped it. Try reading for a change, instead of just typing with RAEG every time I write something.

I did. You said it was counter productive. That implies the defender is making a conscious decision based on that trade-off. Otherwise calling it a silly thing makes no sense.
   1391. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5610511)
FUMBLE!!!
   1392. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5610512)
Clear fumble
   1393. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5610514)
Fummmmmble
   1394. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5610515)
I dunno, that didn't really come out until he was on his back.
   1395. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5610516)
I think that's a fumble, but the fact that it was the initial call made a big difference.
   1396. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5610517)
The announcers trying to argue that the ball being pinned against his thigh could constitute possession was awful
   1397. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5610518)
I think that's a fumble, but the fact that it was the initial call made a big difference.

Yeah they just said it stands, not is confirmed. If they had called it the other way, it would still have stood.
   1398. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5610519)
I think that's the right call too... IF they hadn't blown the whistle would that have been a JAX TD?
   1399. Tony S Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5610520)
Jax didn't do anything with the turnover, though. Why do teams throw short of the sticks on third down?
   1400. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5610521)
The announcers trying to argue that the ball being pinned against his thigh could constitute possession was awful

Agreed.
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