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OT - 2018 NBA Summer Potpourri (finals, draft, free agency, Colangelo dragging)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  complaints about mayonnaise.


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   101. JC in DC Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5687407)
That's very good.
   102. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5687409)
Is there an argument that Durant is the MVP for GSW?

Regular season stats clearly show it is Curry. But in the playoffs, especially against Cleveland I take Durant. I thinks game is more well rounded. He provides defense and his offense seems more repeatable. Curry can be taken off his game a bit easier. That's not to say it's easy, but you can play him physical and get under his shirt and just generally do more ball denial type stuff with him.
   103. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5687414)
When Durant plays like this -- and by "this," I mean not tunnel visioning on his own shot, hustling for rebounds and boxing out, and playing within the offense with Curry handling the ball more, he's just so much more efficient and dangerous. Of course, Cleveland's "defense" doesn't quite take stuff away like Houston's defense.
   104. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5687416)
Durant should consider tunnel visioning his own shot as I think he's at that NBA Jam stage that once he passes half court if he shoots it's going in.
   105. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5687419)
The Warriors are using JaVale like Antonio Gates matched up against a LB that's too small in the red zone, and just sending him up the seam into the end zone and throwing it up.
   106. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:47 PM (#5687421)
Cleveland's been loose with securing rebounds this quarter. Golden State's gotten a few that could have easily been offensive rebounds this quarter.

Cleveland does not have any ability to stop the rolls to the rim. I'm embarrassed for them.
   107. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5687430)
Dialing back to the Hamptons 5 oral history, my favorite parts were definitely the Klay parts, which weren't covered previously.

“When we landed, turns out he’d had the most fun day of all-time,” assistant general manager Kirk Lacob recalled of Thompson. “He’d gone out and played tennis on a grass court, he’d, like, bought all-whites. He’d gone to the beach by himself, rode a bike to the beach. And by the time we got there, he was kicking soccer balls at the house, I think with a gardener at the house.”

[...]

“It was fun, man,” Thompson said. “I love tennis. Never played on a grass court. That was pretty high class. That was cool.”


Kirk Lacob:

That’s when Kevin started to go around. He said I have a question for each of you. That was the one I remember best. The only one I really remember at this point: They were talking about the Under Armour-Nike thing; it wasn’t really is this going to be an issue? It was, how do you guys feel about this? And Klay said: Is this going to be good for Anta, too?



   108. KronicFatigue Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5687434)
On that last possession of the third, did Durant need to kick it out? It felt gratuitous and he should have just taken a close shot
   109. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5687435)
I suppose I could get an Athletic subscription. It seems worth the money.
   110. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5687437)
I thought it would have generated a great look if the last pass had been better. I'd take an open corner three from KD over a contested shot at the rim any day.
   111. stanmvp48 Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5687438)
I just saw him kick the ball out when he was 2 feet from the goal
   112. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 10:59 PM (#5687439)
On that last possession of the third, did Durant need to kick it out? It felt gratuitous and he should have just taken a close shot

Yeah I agree. I think he worries about being a chucker on such a pass first team but dude, you were born a chucker and you'll die a chucker, you also have like a 65 TS% so get chucky with your bad self.
   113. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:02 PM (#5687440)
Jordan Bell is a guy shooting roughly -245% when he goes for a highlight reel dunk. This isn't the Pac 12, rook.
   114. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5687441)
LeBron is having one of those bad shooting nights. I didn't think they could win a game like that, and they're definitely not favored to, but he needs to attack the paint.

Korver has been flat out awful tonight. And I think Korver is still a pretty solid player, but tonight he's been hot garbage.
   115. JC in DC Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5687442)
I wonder what this series would be like if Durant were not on the warriors. It's kind of like to see that.
   116. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5687443)
I gotta give it to Hood. He got his #### together and has been huge.
   117. Tin Angel Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5687444)
Is Hood Cleveland's MVP?
   118. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5687445)
I wonder what this series would be like if Durant were not on the warriors. It's kind of like to see that.


I think Cleveland would be getting crushed. Capela would just erase Tristan Thompson from the series, and Cleveland would be in the impossible decision of having to either having James expend a ton of energy and fouls guarding James Harden or just having Harden run wild against JR Smith or George Hill.
   119. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:08 PM (#5687446)
So why has Rodney Hood played so little these playoffs?

(I’m a casual fan—I only know him by his stats, and see a guy who scored 14 points a game this year.)
   120. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5687447)
From what I've seen tonight, Iguodala is probably not going to be able to really make an impact on this series. That's an interesting fact if Cleveland were able to pull a rabbit out of their hat tonight.
   121. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5687448)
Going back a bit, but was that really a pee break for Steph earlier?
   122. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5687449)
So why has Rodney Hood played so little these playoffs?

Poor play + punishment for refusing to come into a blowout.
   123. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5687451)
Curry is one for fourteen.
   124. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5687452)
So why has Rodney Hood played so little these playoffs?


The Cavs' thinking is that even the 44th through 48th minutes of just playing Lebron as the #1 option is better than putting the ball in the hands of another creator for a few minutes. I can't say they're wrong given the results.
   125. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5687454)
Are you kidding me with that gun in dude’s pocket confused as his dick, tv show.
   126. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5687455)
Curry is one for fourteen.


This is probably about 90% STIGGLES, but other than the shooting I think he's played well. Made good decisions with the ball, the Warriors have very few turnovers, set good picks, competed on defense, still shooting mostly in flow of the offense. FWIW.
   127. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:17 PM (#5687456)
Can someone please either kill or hire Mark Jackson?
   128. Tin Angel Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5687459)
Hey Google, make Mark Jackson shut up.
   129. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5687460)
Can someone please either kill or hire Mark Jackson?


Somehow they're still a million times better than Marv, Miller and Webber. Though I think Marv tapped in for a play there where they got Klay and Tristan Thompson confused.
   130. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5687461)
This is probably about 90% STIGGLES, but other than the shooting I think he's played well. Made good decisions with the ball, the Warriors have very few turnovers, set good picks, competed on defense, still shooting mostly in flow of the offense. FWIW.

Yeah he's been fine. Or fine-ish. His shooting is his game. I think his other stuff is usually fine. Even when the pick on him on defense, that's mainly because Golden State's defense is so good and long rather than him being bad.
   131. JC in DC Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5687463)
Hand down, man down? That's a grown man move. You aren't gonna miss that?
   132. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:21 PM (#5687464)
I mean yeah, he's having an awful game, all other things aside. Definitely not arguing that. KD is definitely the Warriors MVP at this point in the series.
   133. JC in DC Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:22 PM (#5687466)
There are games like this where Livingston is much more effective than Curry.
   134. PJ Martinez Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:23 PM (#5687468)
Going to Love with Iguodala on him may not be the best idea.

Great three by LeBron.
   135. PJ Martinez Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:24 PM (#5687470)
What a ridiculous shot by Durant. Wow.
   136. KronicFatigue Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5687472)
I have my tv on mute. Kept searching online for an injury update

EDIT: responding to the pee break question
   137. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5687473)
Oh, man. How far out was that? A mile?
   138. Tin Angel Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5687474)
Bang!
   139. jmurph Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5687476)
Best game I've ever seen Durant play. Just incredible.
   140. JC in DC Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5687477)
He's so good.
   141. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5687480)
That's two series end-ers that Durant has had in this building in Game 3. Man, he's really a special player. They all seem happy. Shame Chris Paul got hurt.
   142. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5687481)
That KD-Steph PnR is a pretty nice wrinkle they just went to on back to back plays. First time Cavs navigate the switch but KD burns them. Second time they trap, KD beats it clean and Curry gets Draymond an open dunk on the 4 on 3.
   143. KronicFatigue Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5687483)
How could Cleveland not foul there? What's the game plan down 4? If GSW run down the clock best case is Cavs get ball with around 20 seconds. Best case then is a three so they're down 1... And then you have to foul
   144. JC in DC Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5687484)
PG County, baby. Mama, there goes that man. You lose that one as well.
   145. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:31 PM (#5687489)
Jason heyward just hit a walk off grand slam, so sure, the Cavs could come back from 3-0.
   146. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:31 PM (#5687490)
I do think another gentleman's sweep is gonna paint the picture loud and clear, if it wasn't already, that LeBron needs to get the #### out of Cleveland.
   147. jmurph Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:32 PM (#5687493)
For all the shots he made, Hood was a game worst -12 in his time on the floor.
   148. jmurph Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5687494)
I do think another gentleman's sweep is gonna paint the picture loud and clear, if it wasn't already, that LeBron needs to get the #### out of Cleveland.

Counterpoint: they're playing in their 4th straight Finals, with a lot of easy series along the way.
   149. KronicFatigue Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5687495)
I can't imagine being the GOAT or close to it, busting my ass, only to see Durant hit that shot. JR Smith packed LeBron's bags, but Durant requested the Uber
   150. sardonic Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5687497)
Doris Burke is great as the interviewer. She's worth more than everyone else on the ESPN and TNT crews combined.
   151. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5687502)
For all the shots he made, Hood was a game worst -12 in his time on the floor.

I don't think that means much. To me, that just means that he played with the LeBron + bench unit at the end of the first and start of the second which was clowned (partially his fault, but heavily others fault too) and he was in at the end of the game. LeBron was the second worst in plus-minus.
   152. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5687503)
It's criminal that they're keeping Doris out of the booth so these yutzes can call the Finals.
   153. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:39 PM (#5687505)
Yeah, Hood made some...questionable defensive decisions, but provided much needed offensive punch.
   154. jmurph Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:39 PM (#5687507)
I don't think that means much.

I think it means he's just a guy who takes twos and doesn't guard anyone and doesn't do anything else, and I don't think Lue has been wrong to bury the guy. He just made some shots tonight.
   155. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:41 PM (#5687509)
What is up with Jalen's glasses?
   156. Stevey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:41 PM (#5687510)
I do think another gentleman's sweep is gonna paint the picture loud and clear, if it wasn't already, that LeBron needs to get the #### out of Cleveland.


Ehh, the Cavs have hung with the Warriors for 11 of 12 quarters. They aren’t as good as Golden State, but no one outside of Houston would look any better.
   157. jmurph Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:41 PM (#5687511)
LeBron was the second worst in plus-minus.

In 47 minutes. Hood played 26, that's a pretty big difference.
   158. tshipman Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5687513)
From what I've seen tonight, Iguodala is probably not going to be able to really make an impact on this series.


Iguodala was +14, of course, in just 21 minutes.
   159. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5687514)
I think it means he's just a guy who takes twos and doesn't guard anyone and doesn't do anything else, and I don't think Lue has been wrong to bury the guy. He just made some shots tonight.

How do you figure? He made some questionable defensive plays early but in the second half he was fine. The problem was guarding Durant but that was something everyone got burned on and Hood by no means took the brunt of it. He got some rebounds, a couple of blocks. I feel like you're changing your argument. I mean, sure he's mostly a scorer type that doesn't do a lot else. But he shot really well, was one of Cleveland's best players. He just didn't happen to start so he missed the early bump some other guys got in their plus minus. That doesn't mean JR Smith had a better game. Do you think JR had a better game?
   160. spivey Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:45 PM (#5687515)
God I ####### hate you guys. Good night.
   161. jmurph Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:49 PM (#5687518)
How do you figure? He made some questionable defensive plays early but in the second half he was fine. The problem was guarding Durant but that was something everyone got burned on and Hood by no means took the brunt of it. He got some rebounds, a couple of blocks. I feel like you're changing your argument. I mean, sure he's mostly a scorer type that doesn't do a lot else. But he shot really well, was one of Cleveland's best players. He just didn't happen to start so he missed the early bump some other guys got in their plus minus. That doesn't mean JR Smith had a better game. Do you think JR had a better game?

Man I'm not trying to start an argument, I just didn't think he had a good game, despite the praise for the shots he made. Single game +/- is what it is, but I think it kind of shows us something tonight.

And the answer is always that JR had a worse game, regardless of the question, because JR is terrible.
   162. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 06, 2018 at 11:57 PM (#5687523)
post-game 3 bryan colangelo update:

still ####### employed.
   163. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:22 AM (#5687531)
As one ESPN talking head noted, the previous five years have proven that the people running the 76ers have no problem being laughed at.
   164. Booey Posted: June 07, 2018 at 01:34 AM (#5687540)
I do think another gentleman's sweep is gonna paint the picture loud and clear, if it wasn't already, that LeBron needs to get the #### out of Cleveland.

Counterpoint: they're playing in their 4th straight Finals, with a lot of easy series along the way.


Yep. If LBJ heads west, he'll just get to lose to the Warriors a round or two earlier.

The takeaway in my mind is that Adam Silver needs to get serious about eliminating conferences in the playoffs and correcting this ridiculous imbalance. It's a traveshamockery that a team as "meh" as this seasons Cavs gets to play for the title while a much more deserving team like the Rockets doesn't for no reason other than geography.

Normally I'd much rather see competitive games, but in this case I hope Cleveland falls behind early in game 4 and quits and ends up losing by 30. Maybe an emphatic sweep (even if 2 of the games were close) will open some eyes and get the gears of change turning...
   165. Tin Angel Posted: June 07, 2018 at 01:41 AM (#5687541)
Yep. If LBJ heads west, he'll just get to lose to the Warriors a round or two earlier...It's a traveshamockery that a team as "meh" as this seasons Cavs gets to play for the title while a much more deserving team like the Rockets doesn't for no reason other than geography.


But if you eliminate conferences the Rockets just get to lose a round later. Maybe not even that if Paul gets hurt in the same round. I don't really get the difference from an entertainment perspective...everyone already knew the Warriors vs. the Rockets were the real Finals. Eliminating conferences isn't going to necessarily mean the two best teams play in the Finals and it has six or seven close games.
   166. KronicFatigue Posted: June 07, 2018 at 07:09 AM (#5687550)
Agree with 165. All you'd be doing is 1) shifting the boring games to earlier rounds and 2) decreasing the chance of developing rivalries. Yes, in a perfect world the Finals are the real Finals and not GSW/Rockets in the WCF. But, I'm more than happy to compromise there if it means that Boston vs Philly is becoming a thing (again), and they'll probably meet again last year. Heck, I like the narrative of LeBron owning Toronto every year.

   167. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: June 07, 2018 at 07:41 AM (#5687552)
But, I'm more than happy to compromise there if it means that Boston vs Philly is becoming a thing (again), and they'll probably meet again last year. Heck, I like the narrative of LeBron owning Toronto every year.

This. More than anything else, I don't want to eliminate conferences for the playoffs because I love playoff rivalries borne from year after year meetings more than I care that the right teams meet in Round 4 instead of Round 3.
   168. sardonic Posted: June 07, 2018 at 08:44 AM (#5687554)
I agree that this year it wouldn't have made a big difference, but last year it would have. Of course, in any system you're going to win in some cases and lose in others. The benefits of re-balancing comes in seasons where the 3rd best team in one conference is competitive or better than the best team in the other conference. Last season we would have still had Warriors vs. Spurs in the WCF but the other series could have been Cavs vs. Rockets instead of the Raptors being there.

Conceptually, it feels like that re-balancing basically puts a higher floor on the quality of the final four without hurting the upside (ie. if we had Warriors Rockets in the Finals this year vs. the WCF we'd still have that series either way).

It does make rivalries somewhat less likely, particularly if both of the teams are up and coming, but if Boston and Philly are two of top 5 teams, for a stretch of years, it's still likely that they'd face off a few times. And the yang to the yin of having less rivalries is that rivalries (like Cavs-Warriors) can get stale, and rebalancing can mitigate that in some cases.
   169. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: June 07, 2018 at 08:58 AM (#5687562)
Rebalancing seems like a solution in search of a problem, to me. Structural changes to respond to transient situations are almost always a mistake.
   170. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2018 at 09:24 AM (#5687578)
This. More than anything else, I don't want to eliminate conferences for the playoffs because I love playoff rivalries borne from year after year meetings more than I care that the right teams meet in Round 4 instead of Round 3.

Agree, although it's at least worth noting we're fans of teams in the East.

Big picture, to make seeding the best 16 make sense, they should also do away with divisions and conferences and have everyone play the same schedule, and no one seems particularly excited to do those things.
   171. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 07, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5687589)
It might be worth rebalancing the playoffs. I think it depends how important having the Finals not be a dud is. Seems like, roughly speaking, the Finals have been a dud almost 30% of the time over the last twenty years (last two years, 2007, 2003, 2002, 2001) . I think if the thing was rebalanced, that would be a lot less likely to happen.

I have no idea if this really impacts ratings or the bottom line, though, and know there are drawbacks. Still don't think it's a crazy thing to consider.
   172. sardonic Posted: June 07, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5687614)
Rebalancing seems like a solution in search of a problem, to me. Structural changes to respond to transient situations are almost always a mistake.


I think the problem it's trying to solve is the Eastern Conference playoffs (and to a lesser extent, the Finals) being a dud the past few years relative to the West.

How transient you think this problem is depends on whether you think the Eastern Conference's relative lack of competitiveness is structural or transitory.

My take is that I think things are roughly fine, so something as drastic as a 1-16 seeded playoffs probably isn't necessary. On average I feel like you'll get maybe one extra really high quality conference finals every 2-3 years, and there are drawbacks to rivalries, travel, scheduling TV (breaking up the natural early game/late game timing in the early rounds).

As for the East, I haven't found a single satisfying explanation for why this is, so maybe it's just arbitrary. It does seem to have lasted for a while though.
   173. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5687631)
Dan Wetzel @DanWetzel
15 years ago the Cavs drafted LeBron James. They'll likely end up with just one title. Add "The Incompetence" to Cleveland sports failures.

That is actually pretty amazing, when phrased that way.
   174. KronicFatigue Posted: June 07, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5687664)
For the advocates of 1-16 reseeding, why not go further and reseed after every round?
   175. Rally Posted: June 07, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5687675)
15 years ago the Cavs drafted LeBron James. They'll likely end up with just one title. Add "The Incompetence" to Cleveland sports failures.


This isn't the Yankees, it's Cleveland. Are people in Cleveland disappointed that the LeBron era didn't bring them more titles, or do they appreciate that at least he got them one?

They can thank LeBron's decision to go to Miami for that title. If he had chosen to stay after 2010 it would have been 8 years of LeBron leading competitive but understaffed teams, sometimes to an NBA finals loss, sometimes to Eastern playoff losses. The 2010 team was old, untalented, expensive, and would have had no draft picks coming in to offer help. But if they had LeBron, they would have still won enough games to keep them in the playoffs and away from top draft picks. While LeBron's current supporting cast looks bad right now (especially in comparison to the Warriors), it would have been infinitely uglier.

The 4 year Miami vacation allowed Cleveland to rebuild the supporting cast and bring in Irving, Thompson, and a pick to trade for Love, giving LeBron just enough help to get a ring in Cleveland.
   176. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5687692)
Are people in Cleveland disappointed that the LeBron era didn't bring them more titles, or do they appreciate that at least he got them one?

No idea! But I imagine they're happy, titles are great and they don't exactly have piles of them from their other teams. But that's definitely a different point than the original comment.
   177. Booey Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5687713)
All you'd be doing is 1) shifting the boring games to earlier rounds


That's a good thing. The best/most competitive series should be in the latter rounds.

2) decreasing the chance of developing rivalries


To each their own, but for me "rivalries" is just a fancy way of saying, "The same teams meeting up year after year", which as we're seeing with Warriors/Cavs, it can start to get old. Personally I think Lakers/Celtics and Yankees/Red Sox are the most boring match ups in sports.

Big picture, to make seeding the best 16 make sense, they should also do away with divisions and conferences and have everyone play the same schedule, and no one seems particularly excited to do those things.


I wouldn't mind that, but even if they stick with the same conferences, fixing one problem is still better than not fixing any of them. "Not perfect, but clearly better" is still a worthwhile goal compared to just accepting a seriously flawed status quo, IMO.

Agree, although it's at least worth noting we're fans of teams in the East.


And this. No offense to the EC fans, but I don't think it's a coincidence that most the major advocates for this change are fans of Western Conference teams and most the major detractors are fans of Eastern Conference teams. Same reason that I suspect LeBron was so against it. I wonder if he'll change his tune if he goes to the Lakers and starts losing to the Warriors or Rockets in the 2nd round for a few years rather than the Finals, all while Boston and Philly have a free ride to the ECF every year with one of them guaranteed a shot at the title?

Most teams and fanbases aren't in a position to adopt a championship or bust mentality. Winning a round or two is the best they can realistically hope for. Geography shouldn't determine who gets to do that more than talent does.
   178. sardonic Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5687716)
I guess you could say that LeBron James's generational talent vs. Cleveland's incompetent sports team narrative is the apex "immovable object" vs. "irresistible force" of the last 15 years of sports.
   179. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5687719)
the ideal offseason:
durant to PHI
kawhi and george to LAL
lebron to SAS
howard to WAS
batum and kemba to NOP
cousins, grayson allen, luke kennard, nik stauskas and a plumlee to CHO
   180. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5687725)
To each their own, but for me "rivalries" is just a fancy way of saying, "The same teams meeting up year after year", which as we're seeing with Warriors/Cavs, it can start to get old. Personally I think Lakers/Celtics and Yankees/Red Sox are the most boring match ups in sports.
also, rivalries depend on both teams having the potential to win a series. GSW and lebron can't have rivalries until someone else actually manages to beat them.
   181. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5687740)
here's something fun:

there were 19 active NBA players from UNC in 2018. i'll spot you vince carter and raymond felton.

name the other 17.
   182. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5687742)
@PompeyOnSixers
Signs are pointing toward a resolution of this whole matter involving #Sixers’ Bryan Colangelo with a possible announcement and/or press conference as soon as today. According to sources, Colangelo was not spotted in the facility this morning and the owners are coming to town.


50% chance that BC gets a 3 year extension.

actually, make that 60/40.
   183. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5687748)
WOJBOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   184. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 07, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5687750)
This week's NBA Global Camp marked the first time the league has organized a draft combine outside of U.S. Over the course of four days, 81 players from 38 countries -- ranging from 15 to 23 years old -- went through athletic and medical testing, measurements, interviews, scrimmages and practices, including instruction from a group of eight NBA assistant coaches and Sergio Scariolo, the head coach of the Spanish national team.

The La Ghirada practice facility in Treviso previously hosted the Reebok/Adidas EuroCamp from 2003 to 2017, but in the wake of the FBI investigation into college basketball corruption, Adidas elected to withdraw financing from this event and others. Most executives in attendance found the event highly successful and are excited about the new addition to the scouting calendar

Of the 30 NBA teams, 29 sent representatives to scout the event, with only the Chicago Bulls refusing to participate because of their unwillingness to pay the $10,000 fee the league charged teams to subsidize expenses, according to camp officials.


What a joke. Sell the team, Jerry.
   185. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5687754)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Philadelphia and Bryan Colangelo have agreed to part ways, league sources tell ESPN.

Sixers are holding a news conference with owners this afternoon to make the announcement, sources said.

In the wake of the twitter burner account probe, Bryan Colangelo's departure in Philadelphia is expected to be described as a resignation, league source tells ESPN.

Sixers coach Brett Brown will oversee basketball operations on an interim basis.
   186. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5687760)
Bummer, I was hoping it would last all summer. Ah well.
   187. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5687764)
Wayne Ellington
Ed Davis
Brandon Wright
Danny Green
Ty Lawson
John Henson
one of the Zellers (Tyler, I think)
   188. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5687765)
Sixers coach Brett Brown will oversee basketball operations on an interim basis.

Everything makes sense except for this part, which is obviously dumb.
   189. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5687769)
Wayne Ellington
Ed Davis
Brandon Wright
Danny Green
Ty Lawson
John Henson
one of the Zellers (Tyler, I think)
no to lawson. yes to tyler.

11 left.
   190. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5687771)
So STIGGLES, who is available, lay out the dream GM scenarios for us.
   191. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5687772)
@KyleNeubeck
Sources tell PhillyVoice: Part of delay in Sixers process was due to pressure from Jerry Colangelo, who threatened to damage team relationships in the event Bryan was fired. https://t.co/0dWUPPtgBz
   192. aberg Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5687775)
there were 19 active NBA players from UNC in 2018. i'll spot you vince carter and raymond felton.

name the other 17.


JM McAdoo
Jackson (Justin I think?), the rangy wing from their title team
Anyone say Harrison Barnes yet?
   193. zenbitz Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5687776)
1. LBJ
2. ...

   194. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5687778)

Brice Johnson.

Lawson played for the Wizards in the playoffs, although I don't know that he got any regular season PT. That's got to be a record in itself.
   195. aberg Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5687782)
John Henson
Brice Johnson
Ray Felton
Marvin Williams

Think that's all I got.
   196. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5687784)
there were 19 active NBA players from UNC in 2018. i'll spot you vince carter and raymond felton.

name the other 17.


Marvin Williams
   197. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5687787)
So STIGGLES, who is available, lay out the dream GM scenarios for us.

popovich - absurdly unlikely, but this last year was tough on him, and maybe he's ready for a new challenge.
zarren - BOS assistant GM, hinkie approved
griffin - may have an in with lebron
jerry west - also absurdly unlikely, but maybe he'd come in as interim GM to get the sixers through the next month, and then oversee the GM search after the big moves have been made.
ferry -
   198. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5687789)
Tankathon.com @tankathon
Hinkie died for our sins. Colangelo died for his own.
   199. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5687791)
I don't think any of these guys got drafted, but maybe they had a cup of coffee:

Marcus Paige
Kennedy Meeks
Isaiah Hicks


   200. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 07, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5687792)
JM McAdoo
Jackson (Justin I think?), the rangy wing from their title team
Anyone say Harrison Barnes yet?

John Henson
Brice Johnson
Ray Felton
Marvin Williams
marvin, jackson, johnson, mcadoo and barnes are good.

6 left.
Marcus Paige
Kennedy Meeks
Isaiah Hicks
hicks and paige yes, no to meeks.

4 left.
(not much of) a hint: 2 of the 4 were undrafted
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