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OT - 2018 NBA Summer Potpourri (finals, draft, free agency, Colangelo dragging)

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   1101. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 16, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5693483)
Flip

Hawks / Der-K are on the clock.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL)
34. Hawks - Der-K
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL)
36. Knicks - NJ/JC
37. Kings - smileyy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI)
39. 76ers - 57i66135
40. Nets - JJ1986
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1102. Oriole Tragic: doomed to mysterious ignomy Posted: June 16, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5693491)
@Crosseyed and Painless is there a salary you want to unload or a part you want back along with my #35 for your #38 and #42?
   1103. MHS Posted: June 17, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5693822)
Bump to keep us on the scroll bar.
   1104. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5693880)
I have 3 of the next 5 picks - and am looking at a mass of five or six guys with similar valuations and I'm torn on who to tab. Ah well...

Hawks are going with Landry Shamet, pg, Wichita State.

This is probably a mistake - he's more likely to be around than my next guy @33 but we DESPERATELY need bodies at the point guard spot. Yes, non-elite points tend to struggle as rookies but he has a good chance to turn into a seventh/eighth man in the future.

--

That's the end of round one...
   1105. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5693883)
With the 31st pick in the NBA draft, the Orlando Magic select Aaron Holiday, PG, from UCLA. (Write-up later)
   1106. Oriole Tragic: doomed to mysterious ignomy Posted: June 17, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5693887)

Grizzlies / Willard Baseball are on the clock at #32.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL)
34. Hawks - Der-K
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL)
36. Knicks - NJ/JC
37. Kings - smileyy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI)
39. 76ers - 57i66135
40. Nets - JJ1986
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1107. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 17, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5693900)
I like Shamet a little down at 30 but I like Holiday slightly more. I was ready to take him at 23 had Brown been gone.
   1108. Willard Baseball Posted: June 17, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5693908)
Memphis Grizzlies select Jalen Brunson, PG. Backup PG has been a thorn for a long time in Memphis. Brunson is tough minded and can play early in his career. I also liked Shamet at this spot.

There are a few others I might like better in this spot, and I will point them out later, but Brunson is a really good fit in Memphis. Pleased to get MPJ and Brunson and hope they can contribute immediately this winter.
   1109. Oriole Tragic: doomed to mysterious ignomy Posted: June 17, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5693918)
Nice pick @Willard. I'll be interested to see Brunson playing in SL.

Der-K / Hawks on the clock for the double-dip at #33-34.
   1110. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2018 at 05:56 PM (#5693983)
With the 33rd and 34th picks, the Hawks pick Jevon Carter, g, West Virginia and Shake Milton, g/f, SMU.

Carter is a bit old and may be a product of Huggins' system but he's a smart, scrappy player who might be a better shooter than scouts consider him to be. Problem here is that he's a Pat Beverley type (which I love) that ought to be paired with a ball dominant wing (which I lack).

Shake Milton is a type of player I habitually overrate ... a guy who is a bit taller, a bit faster, etc... than his opponents in college and will be on the wrong side of that physically in the pros as he moves to the wing. Still - if he pans out - he can shoot a bit, defend three positions, and be a secondary/teritary playmaker. Plus-minus reportedly loved him. Is a poor man's Shaun Livingston worth picking this high? Not sure...

Not picked (probably stupidly) was Grayson Allen, who should benefit from getting out of Duke's system ... but I worry about his redundancy with Huerter (not really an issue, I guess), his lack of defense, and general lack of maturity. That said, he's an outstanding shooter and better than he looks athlete.

Next up is Oriole Tragic...
   1111. Oriole Tragic: doomed to mysterious ignomy Posted: June 17, 2018 at 06:07 PM (#5693990)
PHO selects K. BATES-DIOP.

NJ/DC and the Knicks on the clock at #36.
   1112. smileyy Posted: June 17, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5694020)
I was hoping to snag Brunson.
   1113. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2018 at 10:02 PM (#5694124)
I had Milton on my shortlist to take at 41, nice pick. (I mean, everyone picked here is more likely than not to have no real career, but with that caveat, I think he's got a shot.)
   1114. Oriole Tragic: doomed to mysterious ignomy Posted: June 17, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5694133)
Is a poor man's Shaun Livingston worth picking this high?
IDK who is a good comp for a "poor man's Livingston," but the genuine article went #4 overall. Even if that was a reach, I'd say that if you landed a poor man's Livingston down here, especially in this draft, then you got a steal.
   1115. stevegamer Posted: June 17, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5694165)
Shake Milton is a type of player I habitually overrate ... a guy who is a bit taller, a bit faster, etc... than his opponents in college and will be on the wrong side of that physically in the pros as he moves to the wing. Still - if he pans out - he can shoot a bit, defend three positions, and be a secondary/teritary playmaker. Plus-minus reportedly loved him. Is a poor man's Shaun Livingston worth picking this high? Not sure...


Easily worth picking that high, as a "poor man's (insert name of legit NBA player here)" is always worth a 2nd round pick. Few pan out.

I was hoping to snag Brunson.

I was also hoping to do so, but needed to get back into the 2nd round somehow, and didn't have anything else much to get another pick with.
   1116. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:06 AM (#5694169)
my favorite picks from the first round:
BOS - mitchell robinson
guys who are that big, that strong and that athletic tend to find ways to contribute regardless of whatever they lack.

CHI - marvin bagley
i know there are fit issues with him and markkanen, but i trust him to score 20 PPG, with efficiency, so getting him at 7 is a coup.

IND - troy brown
having two guys like him and oladipo, who can handle 3 positions at both ends, it's almost required for any team that aspires to contend. if brown sticks, it's a nearly perfect fit.

PHX - collin sexton
PHX needs to take chances on guys who can prop up an NBA offense, so while i'm not a huge believer in sexton, he's the kind of guy they need to bet on.

DEN - miles bridges
that's great value, and a team that starts jokic and murray needs as many athletes as it can find.
   1117. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:40 AM (#5694173)
NJ and JC (Knicks) are on the clock at #36.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC
37. Kings - smileyy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI)
39. 76ers - 57i66135
40. Nets - JJ1986
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1118. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:24 AM (#5694195)
Sorry was gone a bit and missed a trade offer. I'd move 38 and 42 for 35 if that would get rid of Jon Leuer? And I'd be fine with who you picked at 35 still. I imagine Leuer's money is too much.

Just trying to unload money and bigs to get different players to go around Blake. No idea if that makes sense because doubt any free agents are dying to go to Detroit.
   1119. PJ Martinez Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5694214)
This is probably too weird for the NBA, but I can see how it might solve some of the problems that creep in at crunch time, and make for some exciting finishes (as the piece, which is by Zach Lowe, notes, it might also have some unintended, and less positive, consequences):

At the first dead ball under the 4:00 mark, the clock will go dark as officials add seven points to the score of the leading team. The first team to reach that score wins. If Team A leads Team B, 78-70, when the clock stops with 3:58 left, they play until one reaches 85.
   1120. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:49 AM (#5694236)
Yeah, the big picture is that it would result in the better team winning more often, which is not a good thing. Especially for a sport where the better team already usually wins, more so than in any other sport.

My favorite goofball idea for helping lesser teams have a puncher's chance is you can only get three pointers if you're trailing at the time.

My favorite goofball idea for dealing with the game grinding to a crawl late is doing away with free throws and making all defensive fouls just one point (awarded to whoever was fouled) and the ball. Play on.

The NBA will obviously never even consider such rules, but I would strongly consider them if I were trying to design a new pro basketball league to survive and achieve profitability in a world it has to share with the NBA. IMO the number one thing such a league should do, to differentiate itself from the NBA in a positive way, is run a continuous clock with no free throws and constant action.
   1121. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5694266)
Why I picked Aaron Holiday:

I first constructed a draft board after pick 24 (with pick 31 my first non-Doncic pick). At the time I had Josh Okogie #1 and Holiday #2. Okogie was immediately picked and I was pretty worried that Der-K, needing a point guard badly, would tab Holiday with #30, but he made it.

With Holiday I'm getting a shooter. If he can do anything else that's extra but I'm drafting him as a shooter. The future I am playing for is the one where Doncic becomes something like LeBron (settle down, I don't think this is probable, but it's the most likely world where this iteration of the Magic contends). In that future I can get away with an undersized Mo Williams / Mario Chalmers type at PG, someone who can splash 3s; usually such a player if they need to play with a traditional point will produce a disaster on defense but with Doncic's or James's size you can get away with it.

Now, all that said, even if Doncic doesn't fulfill his wishful destiny, I do see another world where Holiday settles in as a good backup point for a decade, someone like, say, DJ Augustin, who I should probably be shopping around. Like his brothers he seems to have good BBIQ, and while he's only 6'1" a 6'8" wingspan isn't terrible for a PG. Kemba Walker also thrived under Clifford and while that's a 95th percentile scenario for Holiday it gives me some hope that this is the kind of player that Clifford can work with.
   1122. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5694272)
Sorry for the delay. Pick coming ASAP.
   1123. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5694281)
Omari Spellman. Explanation coming as soon as my toddler stops freaking out.
   1124. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5694283)
dude, AS, you've got to warn us before you go full STIGGLES.

Coming away with Trae Young and Omari Spellman with 9 and 36 is a home run in this draft IMO.
   1125. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5694285)
@deanondraft
Wiggins for Parsons straight up would be a great trade for Minnesota

My favorite goofball idea for helping lesser teams have a puncher's chance is you can only get three pointers if you're trailing at the time.

i've tinkered with a similar ideaL take the 3P line away when a team is up by double-digits.

also: get rid of charge calls when an offensive player has his back to the basket.
   1126. Oriole Tragic: doomed to mysterious ignomy Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5694289)
@Crosseyed I agree that Leuer's paper is too rich. I think I'll just stick with what I have.
   1127. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5694291)
Omari Spellman. Explanation coming as soon as my toddler stops freaking out.

Dude we're not waiting (thinks about my nearly 5 year old melting down last night at bedtime) INFINITY YEARS for your explanation.
   1128. Booey Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5694307)
Explanation coming as soon as my toddler stops freaking out.


So in like, 2 years?


(Or maybe that's just my toddlers. But I doubt it)


Edit: partial coke to jmurph
   1129. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5694318)
@Crosseyed and Painless, how about Kenneth Faried for Langston Galloway? Clears long-term salary and balances out your roster. Galloway is set to earn $14.3M over the next 2 years, while Faried has a $13.7M expiring contract. By my calculations, you created a trade exception of either $14.3M or $16.8M in the Drummond deal (depending on whether you used part of the Boban exception on Saric), so you can fit Faried into the exception and don't need to match salary.

Faried is a better fit than Galloway, who only played 15 minutes a game last year. After the Drummond trade, the roster's almost entirely guards (Reggie Jackson, Ish Smith, Bayless, Galloway), small wings (Kennard, Bullock), and perimeter-oriented forwards (Saric, Leuer, Ellenson, arguably Griffin too).

Let me know what you think.
   1130. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5694326)
smileyy (Kings) is on the clock at #37.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC - Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova
37. Kings - smileyy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI)
39. 76ers - 57i66135
40. Nets - JJ1986
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1131. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5694334)
I don't feel any urgency, but FWIW, the Magic have one asset so far undiscussed: Shelvin Mack, who is signed for $6M next year but only $1M guaranteed. If anyone is looking to get under the tax, I could trade him for a middling prospect (ideally a big), or for dead money and draft considerations (but would not pay $5M for a pick in this range, maybe a late first next year or something?).
   1132. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5694346)
current magic under contract:

wings: fournier, simmons
bigs: vucevic, chandler
points: augustin, knight, holiday, mack
multipositional unicorns: gordon (RFA, planning to match) / isaac / doncic
g-league: iwundu, purvis
still to come: picks #41, #59

gordon, isaac, and doncic give clifford a lot of lineup flexibility. nominal starting lineup is vucevic/gordon/doncic/fournier/augustin, but you can flip around usage in all sorts of interesting ways, and the proto-death lineup with jonathan isaac as a small ball center is a fun defensive option that should get a number of minutes (isaac/gordon/simmons/fournier/doncic, featuring length, switchability, and athleticism). i expect a lot of different lineups and depending on what doncic looks like the best unit here could be any number of things.

this team won't make the playoffs this year, but will be experimenting with all sorts of templates, and will have a ton of cap room in 2019-20 to complement the parts of the nucleus that work out, with vucevic and chandler coming off the books. the big wild card here is what kind of offer sheet aaron gordon gets signed to, or if we can sign him pre-emptively. i don't expect that to move quickly, and it's likely it'll hang over the magic all offseason.

but the most exciting part of this team remains not paying bismack biyombo $17M to loiter on a basketball court.
   1133. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5694355)
Thinking about the Kawhi situation, one aspect I haven't seen/heard covered anywhere (and I feel like I've read a lot and listened to several podcasts on the subject! But might have missed something) is what the Spurs would want to accomplish if they do end up dealing him. I think I've been assuming (and it seems like most of us here are this way) they'd go prospects/draft picks. So the Lakers make some sense, Boston might make some sense. But then I see Kyrie suggestions, maybe with a pick or two. And Tobias Harris and low lottery picks thrown out as a reasonable return from the Clippers, and I just don't get that at all. Harris is nice! And properly paid, roughly, maybe even slightly underpaid at this point. But that's like a run at 5-8 in the West, right? But maybe that's necessary for the Spurs, maybe they don't want to really rebuild (in fairness they haven't had to do that in a couple decades, so it's probably kind of daunting to contemplate).

Anyway, I think (brace yourself, stiggles), the Sixers make the most sense. But for Philly, they'd obviously need at least a soft commitment from Kawhi that he's interested in staying. Saric/something/picks is sort of a best of both worlds situation in that Saric can slot right in to a playoff roster and give them room for growth, plus the future picks. The caveat there is that Philly's future picks, outside of this year's Lakers pick, aren't very appealing in the short term.

For Philly, Sixers fan probably disagree but I think their window is basically now (with an extended window throughout Simmons's career, too). As in, this Embiid contract. We still have no idea how many games he has in him, so I think they need to be trying to win right now, doing all they can to add talent around Simmons and Embiid.
   1134. PJ Martinez Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5694379)
Saric/something/picks is sort of a best of both worlds situation in that Saric can slot right in to a playoff roster and give them room for growth, plus the future picks.

I think there's a non-zero chance that both Ingram and Kuzma are better than Saric next year. I would expect them to be at least in the same ballpark, and Ingram clearly has more upside. (This arguably remains true if you swap Ball in for Ingram, though I think there's more uncertainty in that case.) LA wouldn't have a good pick to offer; once they have Leonard, and possibly at least one more very good free agent, their future picks decline in value, of course. But Kuzma plus one of LA's blue-chippers seems to me more valuable than Saric plus Philly picks, for both next year and going forward.

I'd say Boston can put together the most attractive offer, but may not want to (either because they're worried Kawhi won't re-sign, or because they can't afford him and all their other high-priced players if he does, or because they're in love with their young guys). LA has the next most appealing offer to make, in my view, followed by Philly (who I suspect would probably have to give up Fultz, unless Boston doesn't get involved and San Antonio really doesn't want to send Kawhi to the Lakers).

I agree, by the way, with the larger point that San Antonio's interests when it comes to a return remain weirdly under-reported (though I suppose they're a pretty tight-lipped organization, by reputation) and hard to guess at.
   1135. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5694391)
I think there's a non-zero chance that both Ingram and Kuzma are better than Saric next year. I would expect them to be at least in the same ballpark, and Ingram clearly has more upside. (This arguably remains true if you swap Ball in for Ingram, though I think there's more uncertainty in that case.) LA wouldn't have a good pick to offer; once they have Leonard, and possibly at least one more very good free agent, their future picks decline in value, of course. But Kuzma plus one of LA's blue-chippers seems to me more valuable than Saric plus Philly picks, for both next year and going forward.

Yeah this is totally possible. I'm not high on Ingram, I just don't really see it, but he did improve and is still very young- more than 3 years younger than Saric, in fact. I think I'd still take Saric/10/late future picks over Ingram/Kuzma/late future picks, but this is fair, it's close.
   1136. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5694397)
For Philly, Sixers fan probably disagree but I think their window is basically now (with an extended window throughout Simmons's career, too). As in, this Embiid contract. We still have no idea how many games he has in him, so I think they need to be trying to win right now, doing all they can to add talent around Simmons and Embiid.


As a Sixers fan, I agree with this. I've moved in the Go For It Now*** direction generally, because you never know WTF is going to happen. As a fan, I'd hate to see Saric go, but Kawhi would quickly make me forget him. ;)

*** When it makes sense, of course.
   1137. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5694400)
I agree, by the way, with the larger point that San Antonio's interests when it comes to a return remain weirdly under-reported (though I suppose they're a pretty tight-lipped organization, by reputation) and hard to guess at.


Yeah, it's interesting, I mean Kawhi too. All we have is this rumor he wants to go to LA, but we don't know why (we assume it's because he's from there), we don't really know what he's optimizing for (championships? teammates? money? living in a certain place? coach / management?), and so what we get is basically just generic speculation, as with the speculation about what the Spurs are optimizing for.
   1138. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5694406)
the Magic have one asset so far undiscussed: Shelvin Mack, who is signed for $6M next year but only $1M guaranteed. If anyone is looking to get under the tax, I could trade him for a middling prospect (ideally a big), or for dead money and draft considerations (but would not pay $5M for a pick in this range, maybe a late first next year or something?).

No one talks about it, but the new CBA closed this loophole. Now only the guaranteed portion of his contract counts for trade matching purposes. See Article VII, Section 6(j)(5)(iii) of the CBA (pp. 211-12).
   1139. aberg Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5694408)
I don't feel any urgency, but FWIW, the Magic have one asset so far undiscussed: Shelvin Mack, who is signed for $6M next year but only $1M guaranteed. If anyone is looking to get under the tax, I could trade him for a middling prospect (ideally a big), or for dead money and draft considerations (but would not pay $5M for a pick in this range, maybe a late first next year or something?).


I would trade you Jeremy Lamb for that contract to get CHA under the tax (and to free up minutes for Monk/Walker). Not a post, but he's a solid player at 7.5m.
   1140. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5694410)
Well, it sounds like I don't understand the cap, so I guess that's not possible, oops. [Thanks Dandy for the heads up]
   1141. aberg Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5694413)
Fair enough. Lamb is available to trade into an exception or cap space if anyone likes him.
   1142. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5694414)
See Article VII, Section 6(j)(5)(iii) of the CBA (pp. 211-12).
I just looked at this and I think it applies to contracts signed after 2017. So, Mack is ineligible, but Cole Aldrich (for example) could be traded.
   1143. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5694431)
Lamb is available to trade into an exception or cap space if anyone likes him.

The Fake Cavs should be all over this if they can make it work financially. Fake Sixers, too.
   1144. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5694448)
BOS: are we still just completely ignoring the whole 'never trade with danny ainge' thing? because, that seems especially relevant here.

SAS: we don't know what they want out of a kawhi deal because they don't want to trade kawhi. kawhi's camp is leaking this now to force their hand.

LAL: i think kawhi's camp is using them as a bogeyman to suppress other trade offers, but i could be wrong. i'm sure he'd be happy to go there, but i'm not sure it's LA or bust.

kuzma v. saric: i'd stick with saric, but eh, whatever.

and PHI...yeah, i'll throw this up in a separate post.
   1145. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5694465)
if lebron has taken the sixers out of the running for his future endeavors, that makes a PHI/kawhi deal less likely, but also much more interesting. this sequence of transactions is not implausible:

draft kevin knox #10
trade up to ~#15 to draft lonnie walker
draft jevon carter #38
sign tyreke evans for 4/50
sign kentavious caldwell-pope for 4/40
sign nerlens noel for 4/30 (MLE)
resign ersan ilyasova to the veteran minimum
trade saric, fultz, mcconnell and jerryd bayless to SAS for kawhi

starting lineup:
simmons / KCP / kawhi / covington / embiid

depth:
guard: simmons, tyreke, walker, carter
wing: KCP, kawhi, covington, knox, anderson, TLC, korkmaz
big: embiid, noel, ilyasova, holmes, bolden


there are a few keys here:
1: kawhi has to be healthy, and has to sign an extension
2: tyreke (29 years old), KCP (25), covington (28) and noel (24) are all in/around their prime, and they'd be locked in, at reasonable cap hits, for 4 years. if this works, it would give the sixers a wide window for contention.
3: knox, walker and bolden have a ton of upside, so even if this team isn't good enough now, their improvement would create future opportunities.

i think the defense would be good.
rebounding would be fine.
the shooting is decent enough.
ballhanding is okay.
size/athleticism isn't quite off the charts, but it's close.
they have a ton of quality depth.
there's a lot of versatility.

and the salary structure should be flexible enough to leave open the possibility of another future blockbuster trade (butler, beal, lillard, giannis)
   1146. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5694475)
sign kentavious caldwell-pope for 4/40

Has Pope done something to earn this kind of deal? Same question for Tyreke.
   1147. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5694487)
I would also be surprised if Noel even gets that much money. And if Brett Brown is running things it won't be from the Sixers.

Also kind of amused that David Locke also picked Musa for the Jazz in the Locked On mock draft. We're clearly experts Booey!
   1148. smileyy Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5694492)
Well, having failed to grab either of the Villanova guys I thought might be available (Brunson, Spellman), and now that I'm out of my depth with respect to evaluating talent this late in the draft, I'm going to let the Kings be the Kings and select:

Anfernee Simons, SG, IMG Academy

I like his theoretical athletic potential. If he's a bust, well, he's a second-round bust...

That puts the Pistons and Crosseyed and Painless on the clock.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC - Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova
37. Kings - smileyy - Anfernee Simons, SG, IMG Academy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI)
39. 76ers - 57i66135
40. Nets - JJ1986
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1149. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5694494)
Has Pope done something to earn this kind of deal? Same question for Tyreke.

yes.
yes.
and to preempt any question about noel, yes, him too.

KCP isn't a star, but he's developed into a very solid player. good defense, low turnovers, 37% on ~6 3PAs/G over the last two years. and he's only 25.

tyreke is another underrated defender and he's shooting 39% on 4 3PAs/G with ~5 APG over the last 3 years.

noel is a stud defender. i'm not quick to turn on guys, so i still believe in his potential, and i'd love to see him back in a sixers uniform as this thing kicks into high gear.
   1150. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5694502)
and to preempt any question about noel, yes, him too.

KCP isn't a star, but he's developed into a very solid player. good defense, low turnovers, 37% on ~6 3PAs/G over the last two years. and he's only 25.

tyreke is another underrated defender and he's shooting 39% on 4 3PAs/G with ~5 APG over the last 3 years.

I will be surprised if any of the three get 4 year deals. And I'll be surprised if the money is that high for KCP or Evans (unless they're 1-2 year deals).
   1151. Booey Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5694520)
Also kind of amused that David Locke also picked Musa for the Jazz in the Locked On mock draft. We're clearly experts Booey!

Heh. ;-)

That's the funny thing about drafting; it's such a crapshoot that even the "experts" aren't experts.
   1152. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5694543)
Pistons take Devonte' Graham at pick 38.

Need a point guard more than anything. Blake's here so might as well get someone that can play today if needed.
   1153. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5694566)
I will be surprised if any of the three get 4 year deals. And I'll be surprised if the money is that high for KCP or Evans (unless they're 1-2 year deals).

i see the length of these deals as a benefit, not a drawback.

the cap hits for most players who sign this summer will be depressed by the lack of teams with available cap room. the sixers are in a position to leverage that by locking in cap hits that will be viewed as undervalued and/or steals as soon as anyone else has any money to spend.


at their worst, these contracts would be comparable to terrence ross or marvin williams, not alan crabbe or nic batum.

maybe i'm wrong, but i think something like this would be possible at next year's trade deadline:
MIN: KCP, kevin knox, 2020 PHI #1 (top 20 protected)
PHI: jimmy butler

in this scenario, the sixers would have a damn near bulletproof 8 man rotation going into the playoffs:
guard: simmons, tyreke, (walker or carter)
wing: butler, kawhi, covington
big: embiid, noel
   1154. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5694577)
at #39, the sixers take jarred vanderbilt, F, kentucky

vanderbilt's strengths:
very good size
very good length
very good athleticism
elite rebounding
surprisingly good ballhandling
potential 4/5 position defender
young for his age

weaknesses:
multiple foot injuries
limited production
not currently a shooter

i would not surprised if vanderbilt sneaks into the first round. rebounding is the most likely college skill to translate to the NBA, and vanderbilt is as good a rebounder as anyone who's been drafted in the last 5 years. considering everything he can bring to the table, his ceiling is as high as kevin knox's, and arguably higher.

instead of juggling multiple fictional sixers scenarios, i'll wait to add that analysis until making later picks.

BRK (JJ90210) is on the clock at #40
   1155. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5694583)
Well, it sounds like I don't understand the cap
I don't know that it would have helped whatsoever with the trade salary-matching that precipitated the comment, but http://roster-builder.com/ is a really handy tool for constructing/idiot-checking hypothetical offseasons for a team. Unless you hate spreadsheets, in which case it's useless. It's slow to load because it's basically an embedded excel spreadsheet, but if you want to check out whether a some combination of hypothetical trades, free agent signings, stretch provision usages, or whatever obviously fails some CBA requirement, I don't know of any other equivalent tool.
   1156. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5694584)
@Crosseyed, did you see my offer of Faried for Galloway (#1129)? Makes even more sense now that you've drafted Graham.
   1157. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5694600)
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
According to one league source, no one on Toronto's roster is off limits as the Raptors pursue a top-10 pick

Interesting.
   1158. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5694614)
Stein is saying the Raps really want Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.
   1159. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:01 PM (#5694631)
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
According to one league source, no one on Toronto's roster is off limits as the Raptors pursue a top-10 pick

according to one fan of the team with the 10th overall pick:
literally no one on TOR's roster is worth a top 10 pick.
   1160. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:04 PM (#5694636)
Why doesn't Toronto just blow it up if that's what they're going to do? It doesn't add up. Sounds more like a roundabout (and optimistic) way of trying to offload DeRozan.
   1161. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5694639)
literally no one on TOR's roster is worth a top 10 pick.

The Cavs have so much bad money that, in a world in which they knew LeBron was coming back, something for Lowry would make a ton of sense as a win now move. Hill + 8 + some more bad contracts?

EDIT: Hill/JR for Lowry works financially. Then there are the picks. Toronto gets 8, Cleveland gets future picks?
   1162. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5694686)
JJ1986 (Nets) is on the clock.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC - Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova
37. Kings - smileyy - Anfernee Simons, SG, IMG Academy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI) - Devonte Graham, PG, Kansas
39. 76ers - 57i66135 - Jarred Vanderbilt, SF, Kentucky
40. Nets - JJ1986
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1163. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5694688)
Also, we need takers for the Rockets (#46) and Pellies (#51), whose picks are fast approaching. Anyone want them? I think it would be fine to double dip especially if your team's picks are all done.
   1164. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:08 PM (#5694692)
If I took one of them, I'd just sell the pick to the Bulls so I could pick another player.

So I'll disqualify myself from taking one of them on also.
   1165. smileyy Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5694704)
If no one takes them by the time their pick rolls around, what do people think about we using The Ringer's draft board to take the highest remaining player?
   1166. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5694712)
Jazz would be interested in moving up to #40 or maybe one of the next few picks depending on if someone is still available.
   1167. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5694713)
I am amused the sixers took a guy with multiple foot injuries. I guess they have a type. The heart wants what the heart wants.
   1168. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5694715)
Brooklyn selects Gary Clark, big, Cincinnati.

I'm working on a write-up for all 3 picks/overall draft.
   1169. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 18, 2018 at 06:09 PM (#5694728)
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Lowe and Givony:
Givony: "Clifford was on table in the war room saying we need to draft Donovan Mitchell & he was overruled on that".
Lowe: "Clifford was 100% trying to get them to take DM & that's only the 7th worst story from the CLT draft room process from the past 5 years"


Very happy Hornets' FO did not listen to Clifford.
   1170. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 18, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5694743)
If I took one of them, I'd just sell the pick to the Bulls so I could pick another player.

So I'll disqualify myself from taking one of them on also.

In which case Reinsdorf would veto the one dollar you were planning on paying for the pick.
   1171. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:06 PM (#5694744)
Orlando Magic (Athletic Supporter) is on the clock.

Nets:

Making the most disastrous trade in recent NBA history has kept the Nets from picking near the top for the last 2 years and again in 2018. The Celtics have gotten Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum out of the bargain, but Brooklyn has actually snagged a good player in the 20s in each of the last two years. They now have Caris LeVert and Jarrett Allen, who aren’t stars, but have potential and have already capably filled NBA rotation roles. This year, the pick they’ve acquired is 29 and they also have the 40 and the 45 in the second round.

The Nets acquired the 29 in the DeMarre Carroll trade, using their capspace to take on salary (and a good player) to get a first-rounder. The plan is to do that again this draft – Brooklyn has between $10 and $14 million dollars available under the cap depending on the value of the draft pick that is brought back, plus Jeremy Lin’s expiring contract (I don’t really have any interest in playing him next year where he’d be the 4th PG and 7th guard overall) and potentially DeMarre Carroll’s expiring, though I consider him to have positive value. I have no interest in trading Spencer Dinwiddie, who is young and will be offered his max extension this offseason. Personally, I’d consider moving D’Angelo Russell, but that’s too unrealistic, plus we need him to play Tank Commander in the 2018-19 season when we’ll actually get our own draft pick.

I looked into the 14-17 range where Denver, Washington, Phoenix and Milwaukee all have bad salary to shed. In this draft, Denver wasn’t a good match and Washington and Phoenix shed their albatrosses elsewhere. I don’t think Milwaukee is a great fit either because even their bad salaries are still good players. I ended up working a deal for the 25th pick (and a future first) giving up Lin and the capspace (taking on Luol Deng), but I’m happy to maximize the asset now. I don’t intend to use capspace this summer and am willing to take on 2019-20 salary as long as it expires after that.

I’m quite glad that I did make the trade because the last player I had in the first-round tier was taken at pick #28 right before me. (I actually had Landry Shamet there as well, but he doesn’t fit the roster). I would normally be focusing purely on getting the best player available with a bad team, but I do want guys who will get a chance to play and I also want guys who will maximize the future players already on the roster, which includes 3 big point guards and a center. I focused primarily on long-wings and smaller forwards.

Josh Okogie
was the pick at 25. He’s super long (7’0” wingspan), fluid, has experience playing on the ball, but is also a good shooter in a supporting. He probably can’t handle the biggest small-forwards, but he’s a switchable, versatile defender on ball. He’s got role-player skills at a median outcome and is young and athletic enough to give him a ceiling as a real two-way 2-guard, a good starter if not an All-star.

Like I said previously, there were no guys left on whom I had first-round grades at 29, but Kenrich Williams can be a super role-player. As the league has shrunk, he has the size of a power forward and he’s apparently an incredibly team-defender, although that’s hard to tell from video. He’s a statistical favorite who doesn’t need the ball and can play in all kinds of lineups to benefit the more-prospecty types around him. The other guy we looked at here was Keita Bates-Diop.

Gary Clark is the pick at #45. We were interested in a bunch of players including Omari Spellman and Jarrett Vanderbilt who went off the board. The Nets played Quincy Acy and Dante Cunningham as shooting centers off the bench last year and Clark can hopefully provide some spacing and interior defense. The other two guys considered were Kevin Hervey (but we don’t have his medical records) and Vincent Edwards (who would probably never get a chance to play.)

For the rest of the summer. The trade leaves me with enough capspace to sign Clark to a 3-year minimum deal that gives me full Bird-rights on him when it expires. I’ll keep Deng if he’s amenable to it and would probably even play him as a power forward off the bench. I have to waive Isaiah Whitehead and renounce the capholds for Jah Okafor, Nik Stauskas, Dante Cunningham and Quincy Acy. We’ll buyout or waive Timofey Mozgov so he can go play in Europe, because no NBA team is going to want the worst player on a 28-win team who whines about playing time.

Joe Harris is the team’s big free agent and we can offer him an early-bird contract that’s similar to the extensions signed by Josh Richardson and Norman Powell. That’s more than any other team should have for him, so he should be back in Brooklyn unless he wants to bolt for a really good team.

If Harris does leave, we’d use the room-mid-level to sign another small-forward. If he’s back, we’d offer it to shooting centers – I like Noah Vonleh, then I’d go back to Cunningham and Acy in that order. All 3 rookies will probably start the season out of the rotation, but injuries and rest will give them playing time and we would look to move Carroll and Boban at the deadline for picks and guys on 2-year contracts. The Nets need to be as bad as they can next year to actually add a top talent in the draft.

Opening Day Roster:
PG D’Angelo Russell
SG Allen Crabbe
SF DeMarre Carroll
PF Rondae-Hollis Jefferson
C Jarrett Allen

PG Spencer Dinwiddie
SG Caris LeVert
SF Joe Harris
PF Luol Deng
C (Room-mid-level)

SG/SF Josh Okogie
F Kenrich Williams
PF/C Gary Clark
C Boban Marjanovic

   1172. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:15 PM (#5694748)
In which case Reinsdorf would veto the one dollar you were planning on paying for the pick.

Jerry's dead in this timeline.
   1173. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:17 PM (#5694749)
The rumors are rumoring that the kings are going with Porter at 2, which is definitely the kingsiest outcome.
   1174. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:21 PM (#5694750)
I am amused the sixers took a guy with multiple foot injuries. I guess they have a type. The heart wants what the heart wants.

embiid lost 2 years because of a foot
simmons lost 1 year because of a foot

at that rate of improvement, jarred vanderbilt should be ready to play before the all-star break.


whoever takes vanderbilt should commit to leaving him in the Dleague for 2-3 months and have him run pick and pop after pick and pop until he's comfortable shooting 3s and executing the draymond green 4 on 3 fastbreak.

i don't know how many teams are willing to do that, but the sixers should be first among them.
   1175. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5694756)
With the 41st pick in the 2018 NBA draft, the Orlando Magic select Gary Trent Jr., SG/SF, from Duke University. A great catch and shoot guy with the size to become a 3 and D guy, the D is not there right now, but this is what Clifford is for. Should be a good complement to the stable of athletes we've got.

Crosseyed and Painless, and the Pistons are on the clock with pick 42.
   1176. aberg Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:37 PM (#5694757)
The rumors are rumoring that the kings are going with Porter at 2, which is definitely the kingsiest outcome.


It's probably one of the highest variability outcomes, and given their last decade+, variance isn't such a bad idea.
   1177. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:39 PM (#5694759)
@Crosseyed, did you see my offer of Faried for Galloway (#1129)? Makes even more sense now that you've drafted Graham.


Somehow I missed this. Give me a few and I'll be picking and deciding on this one. (Serious business.)
   1178. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:39 PM (#5694761)
I cannot wait for the Simmons-Fultz-Vanderbilt-Drummond-Embiid lineup.
   1179. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:40 PM (#5694762)
JJ1986, I love what you've done with the Nets. Okogie was top of my board, and Clark was 2nd on my board before you took him (just behind Trent). And you've picked up Boban! Great offseason.

It's probably one of the highest variability outcomes, and given their last decade+, variance isn't such a bad idea.


You're supposed to get upside variance, not downside variance!
   1180. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5694765)
I actually thought Trent was gone like ten picks ago and re-read the list twice over thinking we had another Jordan Bell situation.
   1181. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:54 PM (#5694771)
I cannot wait for the Simmons-Fultz-Vanderbilt-Drummond-Embiid lineup.

drummond: 1st in NBA in ORB
vanderbilt: 1st in NCAA in ORB%
simmons: 2nd among NBA PGs in ORB/G
embiid: 1 of 4 NBA players to average 2+ ORB/G, 5+ FT/G and 2+ APG

it could work.
   1182. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:57 PM (#5694774)
I actually thought Trent was gone like ten picks ago and re-read the list twice over thinking we had another Jordan Bell situation.


Lot of Jr's this draft. Three of the top 7 were juniors and one was a III (Bagley).
   1183. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 07:59 PM (#5694780)
if noone has any objections, i'm willing to assign houston to thok and new orleans to paste.
   1184. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:13 PM (#5694790)
I'd do the Galloway for Faried trade. I think Pistons can go with a defense first center and I'd like the Galloway deal to come off the books a year early.

Pistons draft big man Brandon McCoy with pick 42.

Here's my mucked up roster. I think:

Point Guards - Reggie Jackson ($17M), Ish Smith ($6M), Jerryd Bayless ($9M), Devonte Graham ($1.5M?)
Guards/Fowards - Stanley Johnson ($4M), Luke Kennard ($3M), Reggie Bullock ($3M)
Bigs - Blake Griffin ($32M), Kenneth Faried ($14M), Jon Leuer ($10M), Dario Saric ($3M), Henry Ellenson ($2M), Eric Moreland ($2M), Brandon McCoy ($1.5M?)

That's 14 players and about $109M if I'm counting right. Would spend the full MLE on a defensive 2/3 if I could.

Team's probably no good but I've talked myself into Blake being under-rated (I know still overpaid) at this point. Hopefully they get into the playoffs, get good performances from Kennard and maybe even Johnson. Going into next offseason Fareid, Bayless, and Smith are off the books and Leuer and Jackson only have one year left. Maybe they can find a point guard at that point. But Bullock will want a payday and Johnson will too if he becomes passable offensively.

In real life, that's similar to what I'm hoping for, minus the unrealistic Drummond trade. The team can't make moves and they aren't tanking so best bet is to just run it back, hope for better health and better coaching offensively. Maybe they push 45 wins. They outscored opponents with Griffin on the floor even including a bad adjustment period. They outscored opponents when their disaster third-PG situation wasn't on the floor (Jameer Nelson was -57 in about 100 minutes!). I know this is cherry-picking but don't think it's entirely unrealistic to hope for playoffs.

Then next offseason maybe go from there when some of their bad deals (Galloway, Leuer, Jackson) have a year less to go on them.
   1185. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 18, 2018 at 08:21 PM (#5694801)
Dandy (Nuggets) is on the clock.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC - Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova
37. Kings - smileyy - Anfernee Simons, SG, IMG Academy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI) - Devonte Graham, PG, Kansas
39. 76ers - 57i66135 - Jarred Vanderbilt, SF, Kentucky
40. Nets - JJ1986 - Gary Clark, PF, Cincinnati
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter - Gary Trent Jr, SG/SF, Duke
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless - Brandon McCoy, C, UNLV
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN: gets #15 overall
WAS: gets Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson
   1186. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:05 PM (#5694822)
Trade offer: #43 and Jodie Meeks ($3.45M expiring contract) for a 2020 2nd rounder. This is open to anyone. First team to claim it is on the clock.

I'll update the trades to include Faried for Galloway.

FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC - Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova
37. Kings - smileyy - Anfernee Simons, SG, IMG Academy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI) - Devonte Graham, PG, Kansas
39. 76ers - 57i66135 - Jarred Vanderbilt, SF, Kentucky
40. Nets - JJ1986 - Gary Clark, PF, Cincinnati
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter - Gary Trent Jr, SG/SF, Duke
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless - Brandon McCoy, C, UNLV
43. Nuggets - Dandy
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN gets: #15 overall, Jodie Meeks
WAS gets: Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson

DEN gets: Langston Galloway
DET gets: Kenneth Faried
   1187. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:07 PM (#5694825)
@KyleNeubeck
“We’re going to go deep into July I think before they really start talking to candidates,” Woj says of the #Sixers front office search on ESPN’s draft show.



on the plus side, that's how they wound up hiring brett brown.
   1188. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:09 PM (#5694830)
Trade offer: #43 and Jodie Meeks ($3.45M expiring contract) for a 2020 2nd rounder. This is open to anyone. First team to claim it is on the clock.


Wow, why do you want to dump Meeks that bad?

I'd have gone for it if Trent had still been on the board, but he was the last guy left that I liked enough to consider trading up for.

@KyleNeubeck
“We’re going to go deep into July I think before they really start talking to candidates,” Woj says of the #Sixers front office search on ESPN’s draft show


In other words: "We're going to offer LeBron the chance to pick his own coach and front office if he'll sign with us, and move on only once he gives us a firm no."
   1189. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5694833)
Trade offer: #43 and Jodie Meeks ($3.45M expiring contract) for a 2020 2nd rounder. This is open to anyone. First team to claim it is on the clock.
i'll take it.
   1190. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:28 PM (#5694846)
there are still a handful of college prospects that i really like, but i'm gonna go draft and stash here:
at #43, PHI takes isaac bonga, F, germany


WAS (votto) is up with pick #44.


FIRST ROUND
1. Magic (from PHO) - Athletic Supporter - Luka Doncic, G, Real Madrid
2. Kings - smileyy - Deandre Ayton, F/C, Arizona
3. Hawks - Der-K - Jaren Jackson Jr., F/C, Michigan State (to DAL for #5)
4. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri
5. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Mohamed Bamba - C, Texas
6. Suns (from ORL) - Oriole Tragic - Wendell Carter Jr., C, Duke
7. Bulls - Moses - Marvin Bagley III, F/C, Duke
8. Cavs - stevegamer - Mikal Bridges, F/G, Villanova
9. Knicks - NJ/JC - Trae Young, G, Oklahoma
10. 76ers - 57i66135 - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G, Kentucky
11. Hornets - Berg - Lonnie Walker, G/F, Miami
12. Clippers - Thok - Robert Williams, C/F, Texas A&M
13. Suns (from LAC via CLE) - Oriole Tragic - Zhaire Smith, F/G, Texas Tech
14. Nuggets - Dandy - De'Anthony Melton, G, USC
15. Nuggets (from WAS) - Dandy - Miles Bridges, F, Michigan State
16. Suns - Oriole Tragic - Collin Sexton, G, Alabama
17. Bucks - Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw - Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky
18. Spurs - SouthSideRyan - Elie Okobo, G, Pau-Orthez
19. Hawks - Der-K - Kevin Huerter, G/F, University of Maryland
20. Timberwolves - Mouse - Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton
21. Jazz - Booey/Cervo - Dzanan Musa, SG/SF, Cedevita Zagreb
22. Bulls - Moses - Jacob Evans, G, University of Cincinnati
23. Pacers - Paste - Troy Brown Jr., SG/SF, Oregon
24. Trailblazers - mike f - Chandler Hutchison, SF, Boise State University
25. Nets (from LAL) - JJ1986 - Josh Okogie, SG, Georgia Tech
26. 76ers - 57i66135 - Donte DiVincenzo, SG, Villanova
27. Celtics - MHS - Mitchell Robinson, C, none
28. Warriors - sardonic - Melvin Frazier, SF, Tulane University
29. Nets - JJ1986 - Kenrich Williams, F, TCU
30. Hawks - Der-K - Landry Shamet, PG Wichita State

SECOND ROUND
31. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO) - Aaron Holiday, PG, UCLA
32. Grizzlies – Willard Baseball - Jalen Brunson, PG, Villanova
33. Hawks - Der-K (from DAL) - Jevon Carter, G, West Virginia
34. Hawks - Der-K - Shake Milton, SG/SF, SMU
35. Suns - Oriole Tragic (from ORL) - Keita Bates-Diop, F, THE Ohio State University
36. Knicks - NJ/JC - Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova
37. Kings - smileyy - Anfernee Simons, SG, IMG Academy
38. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless (from PHI) - Devonte Graham, PG, Kansas
39. 76ers - 57i66135 - Jarred Vanderbilt, SF, Kentucky
40. Nets - JJ1986 - Gary Clark, PF, Cincinnati
41. Magic - Athletic Supporter - Gary Trent Jr, SG/SF, Duke
42. Pistons - Crosseyed and Painless - Brandon McCoy, C, UNLV
43. Sixers (from DEN) - 57i66135 - Isaac Bonga, F, Germany
44. Wizards - Votto
45. Clippers (from BRK) - Thok
46. Rockets
47. Lakers - Hombre/rr
48. Timberwolves - Mouse
49. Spurs - SouthSideRyan
50. Pacers - Paste
51. Pelicans
52. Jazz - Booey/Cervo
53. Thunder - Fridas Boss
54. Mavericks - tshipman
55. Hornets - Berg
56. 76ers - 57i66135
57. Thunder - Fridas Boss
58. Nuggets - Dandy
59. Magic - Athletic Supporter (from PHO)
60. 76ers - 57i66135

Trades:
ORL gets: #1 overall
PHO gets: #6 overall, ORL 2019-1 (unprotected)

LAC gets: Kevin Love
CLE gets: DeAndre Jordan, #13 overall

DET gets: Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless, #38
PHI gets: Andre Drummond (!)

DAL gets: Jaren Jackson Jr., Dennis Schroder, Miles Plumlee
ATL gets: #5 and #33 overall, Wesley Matthews

ORL gets: #31 and #59 overall, Brandon Knight, Tyson Chandler
PHO gets: #35 overall, Bismack Biyombo, Terrence Ross

PHO gets: #13 overall, JR Smith
CLE gets: Marquese Chriss, Terrence Ross

DEN gets: #15 overall, Jodie Meeks
WAS gets: Trey Lyles, DEN 2019-1 (protected #1-4)

LAC gets: Jeremy Lin, #45
BRK gets: Luol Deng, Boban Marjanovic, #25, LAL 2019-1 top 20 protected else CHI 2019-2 and LAL 2023-2
LAL gets: Wesley Johnson

DEN gets: Langston Galloway
DET gets: Kenneth Faried

DEN gets: 2020 2nd round pick (PHI)
PHI gets: #43, jodie meeks
   1191. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:42 PM (#5694859)
bonga continues a theme for sixers draft picks.

he's tall, long, athletic, young for his age, comically underweight, injured and his most advanced skill is ballhandling. i figure the sixers can stash him in europe until he either develops a jumpshot, or grows into a full-bodied SF.

my roster as of now (rotation in bold, starters in italics):
guard: simmons, fultz, gilgeous-alexander, mcconnell
wing: covington, divincenzo, anderson, meeks, luwawu, korkmaz
big: drummond, embiid, holmes, bolden, vanderbilt

in:
andre drummond
shai gilgeous-alexander
donte divincenzo
jarred vanderbilt
jodie meeks
isaac bonga
#56
#60

out:
dario saric
jerryd bayless
2018 2nd round pick
2020 2nd round pick
~$20MM in cap space (~6MM remaining)

capulator
   1192. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5694866)
Wow, why do you want to dump Meeks that bad?

It was a directive from the Nuggets' owner to trim payroll. We were staring at a massive luxury tax bill once we decline Jokic's 4th-year option and re-sign him at or near his max contract value, which is necessary to prevent him from becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2019. As it stood prior to the Faried and Meeks deals, we were roughly $13M over the projected tax. That equates to a luxury tax bill right around $24M, which our owner wouldn't consider paying for a non-contender. These two trades cut roughly $10M from this season's payroll, knocking our luxury tax bill down to $5M.

So in all, that $10M payroll reduction netted $29M in savings ($10M salary obligations + $19M tax payments) without appreciably hurting the team. We still have a young roster with lots of recent draftees to integrate into the lineup (Miles Bridges, De'Anthony Melton, Tyler Lydon, Juancho Hernangomez, and Malik Beasley). And I'm especially excited about the return from the Faried deal. Galloway is a solid all-around backup as either a nominal PG or SG. He's exactly the kind of player I was looking for as a second-unit stabilizer while Melton develops and grows into a larger role.
   1193. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5694898)
Wizards take Trevon Duval as an upside pick. Mildly disappointing freshman year, but had one foot out the door from Day 1.
   1194. . . . . . . Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:38 PM (#5694900)
I am happy to take Houston if no one else will claim.
   1195. stevegamer Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5694904)
Lamb is available to trade into an exception or cap space if anyone likes him.
The Fake Cavs should be all over this if they can make it work financially. Fake Sixers, too.

For this to work for the Fake Cavs, we'd need to done one of these two things:

1. Find a third team under the cap that wants somebody from the roster
2. Return some combination of Rodney Hood, Kendrick Perkins, Jose Calderon & Jeff Green in a sign & trade, assuming we can get them on 1-year deal(s) that will add up to a number which works with the capped trade rules (within 125% +100K)

Fake Cavs roster assuming we're done:

Points - George Hill ($19.0M)
Kings - LeBron James (TBD)
Wings - Terrence Ross ($10.5M), Jordan Clarkson ($12.5M), Kyle Korver ($7.5M), Cedi Osman ($2.8M), John Holland (2-way contract),
Bigs - DeAndre Jordan (TBD), Tristan Thompson ($17.5), Ante Zizic ($2.0M), Larry Nance, Jr ($2.2M), Marquese Chriss ($3.2M), Okaro White ($1.5M - non guaranteed)


Free agents (most are sign & trade fodder):
Kendrick Perkins ($2.5M Team Option)
Rodney Hood (RFA)
Jose Calderon
Jeff Green

   1196. tshipman Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5694908)
Free agents (most are sign & trade fodder):


You can't use the S&T because you're over the apron.
   1197. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 18, 2018 at 10:47 PM (#5694909)
1. Find a third team under the cap that wants somebody from the roster

I've always wanted to right the wrong of giving korcer away for nothing...
   1198. stevegamer Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5694939)
This works per RealGm Trade Checker, and per ESPN Trade machine:

CHI -> CLE
Ryan Arcidiacono (non-guaranteed)

CLE -> CHI
Kyle Korver
2024 2nd round pick from Miami (protected 31-55)

CHA -> CLE
Jeremy Lamb
Marcus Paige (non-guaranteed)
#55 pick

If this works for both Moses & Berg, I am good with it. Unsure if either of them are willing to give up the two-way contract guys, but figure I'd ask, since we have literally no backup PG right now.
   1199. stevegamer Posted: June 18, 2018 at 11:47 PM (#5694940)
You can't use the S&T because you're over the apron.


Okay, so that leaves only Perkins as available in trade if we exercise the option. I've seen talk about Cleveland in sign & trades, but I guess that is due to so many people not knowing the rules - clearly including myself.
   1200. tshipman Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:02 AM (#5694945)
Okay, so that leaves only Perkins as available in trade if we exercise the option. I've seen talk about Cleveland in sign & trades, but I guess that is due to so many people not knowing the rules - clearly including myself.


Cleveland can use the S&T if LeBron leaves (Apron is at about 125mm), but your projection has him staying.

Once you use the S&T, you're hard capped, and you can't use the tax payer MLE or the BAE.
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