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I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  complaints about mayonnaise.


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   3701. JC in DC Posted: July 26, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5716235)
FLIPSKI!
   3702. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 26, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5716256)
Why low ceiling, Moses? They seem to be building pretty solidly, at least through the draft. You've got to love LM and WCJr together.

How good do you think those guys will be? Fringe All-Stars? All-NBA players? The Bulls are locking themselves into too many other mediocrities, so it'll take a lot of luck to jump from where they are now to contender status. They're not bad enough to expect to add another top talent in the draft, and they've shown no real competencies in attracting significant FAs.
   3703. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5716279)
The Bulls won 27 games last year. Being mediocre would be a significant upgrade.
   3704. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 26, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5716281)
Agree on low ceiling for the Bulls.

Wanamaker: I normally view returning ex-pats like this as pretty good value buys, underrated by the market, but I'm not keen on him as an offensive player.
   3705. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 26, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5716292)
How good do you think those guys will be? Fringe All-Stars? All-NBA players? The Bulls are locking themselves into too many other mediocrities, so it'll take a lot of luck to jump from where they are now to contender status.


They've locked themselves into one mediocrity, LaVine. Parker is only a 1-year contract with team option.

(and they've locked themselves into one totally useless player, Felicio)
   3706. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5716413)
29-year-old Brad Wanamaker, in the NBA! I can't believe it. And he's a Philly guy too. The first Pitt player to root for in the NBA since... Sam Young? (it's hard to count our one one-and-done player, Steven Adams)


DeJuan Blair, right?

The Bulls are locking themselves into too many other mediocrities, so it'll take a lot of luck to jump from where they are now to contender status.


This is true for like 25 teams (take a lot of luck to jump from where they are to contender status within a few years). 3-4 of those teams will get the lot of luck and become contenders. There are only 5ish true contenders at any one time even under normal circumstances, being a contender is hard.

I'd probably put the Bulls fourth in the EC terms of contention odds in 5 years, albeit in a pack of teams that all need a lot of luck to really get there:

Teams that you'd expect to be contenders unless something weird happens:
Philadelphia
Boston

1-2 of these will contend, but not sure which:
Milwaukee
Chicago
New York
Indiana
Orlando
Toronto
Atlanta
Washington

I don't see it, but maybe you do:
Miami
Brooklyn
Detroit
Charlotte

Comic Sans division:
Cleveland
   3707. Just TFTIO Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5716422)
I would have Toronto higher.
   3708. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:39 PM (#5716429)
In five years, though? Lowry will be well down the downslope of his career by then, and if Kawhi doesn't work out, they are really set up to blow the whole team up and rebuild. My impulse is to wait to see Kawhi healthy and resigned before I make any long-term predictions about Toronto's strength.
   3709. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5716432)
The Bucks new arena will be called the......Fiserv Forum. Nothing like an obscure (albeit quite large in that space) Financial Services Tech company getting involved in this game.
   3710. Just TFTIO Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5716433)
Oh, I totally misread. Yes, I might even put them lower.
   3711. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:51 PM (#5716444)
DeJuan Blair, right?


Let's see, Pitt NBA careers:

Jamel Artis: 2017-18
Lamar Patterson: 2015-17 (Hawks bench, then Italy, now signed with a team in Tibet)
DeJuan Blair: 2009-16
Aaron Gray: 2007-14
Sam Young: 2009-13
Mark Blount: 2001-09

Blair hung on with the Wizards longer than I thought! And I had no idea Jamel Artis signed with the Magic, the graveyard of forgotten players.
   3712. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5716448)
Projecting 5 years out seems basically impossible to me. 5 years and two weeks ago, the Celtics still employed Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett (the trade was July 12, 2013). Things have changed, slightly, for them since then.
   3713. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5716456)
Aaron Gray was still in the Association in 2014?!? He was here for 7 years? That shocks me.
   3714. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5716463)
And he only retired because of a blood clot, and then moved straight from player with the Pistons to coach with the Pistons.
   3715. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5716473)
I don't feel super strongly about this take but unless you're the Warriors guys (4 straight Finals) or LeBron (each Finals in all of recorded history), or rehabbing injury, I think it's kind of lame to skip the Team USA camp. Maybe go practice with the best coach of your generation for a few days, pick up some things?
   3716. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5716494)
Lamar Odom has signed! With a team in China, evidently, according to Lamar Odom. Hopefully it's true.
   3717. Just TFTIO Posted: July 26, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5716530)
Lamar Odom has signed! With a team in China, evidently, according to Lamar Odom. Hopefully it's true.

I swear I thought he was dead.
   3718. RJ in TO Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5716586)
I swear I thought he was dead.
I'm fairly sure he briefly was.
   3719. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: July 26, 2018 at 09:21 PM (#5716615)
   3720. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 27, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5716697)
They've locked themselves into one mediocrity, LaVine. Parker is only a 1-year contract with team option.

The Bulls are trying to sell the Parker deal as more substantive than that. IOW, look how quickly they matched the LaVine offer sheet, they're pot committing to him. If he's halfway decent, they're not turning down that option and they'll be a lot of pressure to extend and/or resign him. Because they have a history of acting a certain way, I can't rationally treat it purely as a 1 year deal. Similarly, I"m already mentally counting Dunn's inevitable extension against them.

I go back to my initial question though on Markannen and Carter - how good you consider them/how good you think they can be is going to inform how much you can buy into them having a bright future.

The Bulls won 27 games last year. Being mediocre would be a significant upgrade.

They spent 25% of last year as a really good team, and last year was their only *bad* year they've had in a while. They're destined to be a perfectly mediocre team - with the occasional positive or negative blip - as long as this FO runs the team.

This is true for like 25 teams (take a lot of luck to jump from where they are to contender status within a few years). 3-4 of those teams will get the lot of luck and become contenders. There are only 5ish true contenders at any one time even under normal circumstances, being a contender is hard.

I'd probably put the Bulls fourth in the EC terms of contention odds in 5 years, albeit in a pack of teams that all need a lot of luck to really get there:


Sure, but that (mediocrity and a dose of luck) is also the Bulls' true goal. They may talk a big game of contending, but they're perfectly happy being just decent with a whiff of really good if thing break just right, and then happy to harp on their bad luck while continuing to tout flexibility and the next plan around the corner.

---

tl,dr; I'm not buying into any of this positive spin. I'm going to enjoy this season for what it is, and what the end result of this group will obviously be. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be pleasantly surprised like the last time. My optimism is fully invested in the Cubs, not this bunch.
   3721. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5716883)
Rally good Zach Lowe article on the good and bad of the supermax.
   3722. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5716887)
I started re-reading McCollum's Dream Team book recently, and got to thinking: Suppose there was some kind of Galactic Olympics every year, and Earth fielded a team every year; which one year in history would yield the strongest team? Not a U.S. team, but basically just an all-NBA team if it were constructed to win actual basketball games. Which year's team would be the absolute strongest?

The year of the actual Dream Team, 1992, was pretty damn strong. But maybe it gets stronger if you back up a few years to when Magic and Bird were still Magic and Bird; not sure.

The 2018 team seems pretty damn strong, too; we can quibble about the exact setup, but something like a starting five of Harden/Curry/LeBron/Durant/Davis supported by some combination of Giannis, Westbrook, Paul, Draymond, Embiid, etc. would be pretty awesome, even historically, I think. (And actually, though Durant is better than Giannis, switching Giannis into the starting five with his explicit job being to play hellacious defense, crash the boards and run in transition, while Durant provides elite bench scoring/defense, might make the team stronger.)

Dunno if it's interesting to anyone but me.
   3723. smileyy Posted: July 27, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5716909)
TBH, I'd probably bring Harden off the bench instead of Durant if you want Giannis in the starting lineup.

Swapping Draymond for Curry would give you a true death lineup on defense.
   3724. aberg Posted: July 27, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5716956)
How about a lineup of Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Draymond, and Davis?
   3725. spivey Posted: July 27, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5716957)
Yes, the all-NBA team of the last couple of years would be our best bet, I think. We have a remarkable combination of athletic, multi-faceted players many of which have games that translate to any era. Also, players are just getting better so I think this is definitely our best crop.

Before that, I'd probably go back to the mid-80s. I'm not well versed enough to know how the depth would be, but getting the prime of Jordan/Bird/Magic is key. You lose Robinson which hurts a lot, but you still get early-prime Hakeem since it's not a USA team. Also you get more-prime Barkley now and more in the athletic prime of Ewing.
   3726. aberg Posted: July 27, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5716968)
Before that, I'd probably go back to the mid-80s.


Going roughly off of Win Shares for 1987, you could put together this depth chart:

PG- Magic, Zeke (Stockton would become what we remember the next year)
SG- Jordan, Drexler
SF- Bird, Nique
PF- Barkley, Malone
C- Olajuwon, McHale

Others to consider: Dantley, Vandeweghe, Laimbeer, Moses, Doc Rivers
   3727. smileyy Posted: July 27, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5716977)
How about a lineup of Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Draymond, and Davis?


That leaves 6'7" Draymond Green as the shortest guy on the floor. In general, I'm a fan of putting together teams with lengthy switch-anything defenders, which this team has. I'd love to watch them on D.
   3728. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 27, 2018 at 03:22 PM (#5716987)
Not to mention the runaway freight train fast breaks that lineup would produce.
   3729. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 27, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5716997)
that lowe article was, per usual, quite good

bucks signed pat connaughton to a 2 year deal for a bit over the minimum, yr 1 is guaranteed
   3730. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5717005)
Yes, the all-NBA team of the last couple of years would be our best bet, I think. We have a remarkable combination of athletic, multi-faceted players many of which have games that translate to any era.

Yeah I'd favor this line of thinking, too. It's not that the list of all time greats isn't still populated with a lot of guys from the 70s-early 2000s, it's just the versatility and range of skills that the current stars have would, I think, make for a better overall team.

   3731. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5717006)
(Also side note, please someone hit me with a stun gun the next time I venture outside the NBA/soccer threads. My god.)
   3732. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: July 27, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5717009)
(Also side note, please someone hit me with a stun gun the next time I venture outside the NBA/soccer threads. My god.)

Will do, honkey.

I caught some of the Shaq vs Kobe game on NBA TV the other day. It's striking how much the game has changed and I would love if we could transport Shaq in his prime to see how he would fare. I feel like he would be the monster of monsters on the offensive end but he wouldn't be as effective on the defensive end and he might not be able to play as many minutes. Shaq was not, um, a long distance runner, let's say.
   3733. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5717026)
How about a lineup of Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Draymond, and Davis?


I want to say you'd have some shooting issues with that group, but I suppose when you're talking about putting those five guys together, going on about spacing is a little precious.
   3734. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5717027)
I feel like he would be the monster of monsters on the offensive end but he wouldn't be as effective on the defensive end and he might not be able to play as many minutes.

It would be a battle of wills, though, unstoppable points in the paint followed by the opposing team putting him in the pick and roll on the other end.
   3735. tshipman Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5717028)
How about a lineup of Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Draymond, and Davis?

I think Steph belongs in the lineup of any kind of historical team. His ability to shoot from outside off the bounce warps play and makes other people on the court better without him having to touch the ball.

Backpicks has some good stuff about this.
   3736. aberg Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5717033)
What would be the best possible roster for a pre-merger team?

PG- Oscar 62, Walt Frazier 72
SG- West 70, Sam Jones 65
SF- Arizin 52, Ricky Barry 67, Baylor 61
PF- Pettit 59, Neil Johnston 54
C- Wilt 62, Kareem 72, Russell 64

   3737. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5717037)
you made me laugh, shooty. a sad laugh! but still a laugh.
   3738. tshipman Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:29 PM (#5717044)
I caught some of the Shaq vs Kobe game on NBA TV the other day. It's striking how much the game has changed and I would love if we could transport Shaq in his prime to see how he would fare. I feel like he would be the monster of monsters on the offensive end but he wouldn't be as effective on the defensive end and he might not be able to play as many minutes. Shaq was not, um, a long distance runner, let's say.


I mean, fat Shaq was a defensive liability, but young Shaq was amazing on defense.

Further, Shaq enables you to play small at the other positions because he was basically a 1 man rebounding machine on both ends. That's super valuable because it allows you to create these monstrous mismatches like putting Kobe at the 4 if you wanted to.
   3739. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5717048)
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
Source confirms five-year, $90 million deal for @CapelaClint with Rockets (@KellyIkoNBA first with agreement; @wojespn first with numbers).
   3740. aberg Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5717059)
That's not a bad deal for Capela. Seems that the Rockets went longer in order to slightly reduce the AAV. If you're going to sign a long-term deal, might as well do it with someone who is still as young as Capela. From his end, that's a great overall guarantee.
   3741. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5717060)
Agree, looks good all around. He probably could have gotten more next season but he's only (well, "only," but you know what I mean) made $6 million so far, so I totally get locking this down now.

The Rockets are all in for the next 4 years at least, so they couldn't risk letting him walk.
   3742. tshipman Posted: July 27, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5717073)
That's not a bad deal for Capela. Seems that the Rockets went longer in order to slightly reduce the AAV. If you're going to sign a long-term deal, might as well do it with someone who is still as young as Capela. From his end, that's a great overall guarantee.


The question is whether Capela thinks he'll get a max offer next year. He'd be at a 25 mm max, and a 4 million QO.

That's 104 million. Seems like he's selling low to me.
   3743. aberg Posted: July 27, 2018 at 05:40 PM (#5717079)
That's 104 million. Seems like he's selling low to me.


You have to discount that a bit since he is getting 16m more in year 1. He's also staying in a tax-free market.
   3744. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 27, 2018 at 06:03 PM (#5717095)
Good deal for both, imo
   3745. maccoach57 Posted: July 27, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5717109)
(Also side note, please someone hit me with a stun gun the next time I venture outside the NBA/soccer threads. My god.

Indeed. BTF's extremely narrow demographics are, at times, problematic.
   3746. maccoach57 Posted: July 27, 2018 at 06:20 PM (#5717110)
Quote from Magic Johnson re. roster:

“James doesn’t have to make every play,” Johnson said, per Lakers.com. “That’s what wears him out, what wears him down. He doesn’t have to make every play now. We got guys that can make plays on their own, so he can relax on offense some."
   3747. JJ1986 Posted: July 27, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5717160)
25% of the cap next year will be like $27 million dollars and he'd get 5% raises on that. Back of the envelope math makes it $116 million~ish.
   3748. tshipman Posted: July 27, 2018 at 07:49 PM (#5717170)
25% of the cap next year will be like $27 million dollars and he'd get 5% raises on that. Back of the envelope math makes it $116 million~ish.


Thank you for doing the math.

90mm seems like too much of a discount. If he takes the 4.7 mm QO, that means he's valuing the other 4 years at just 21 million.

So he's taking a 20% haircut in exchange for certainty. That seems like too much to give up to me. I'd value myself higher than that if I were Capela. I think the next two years are going to be a cap bonanza. This cap environment is a historical anomaly, and you shouldn't sign long term deals in that kind of environment.
   3749. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 27, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5717172)
4 years 80 for Lavine, two years 40 for Jabari, and 5/90 for Cappela. I have no idea what to think about that.
   3750. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 27, 2018 at 08:42 PM (#5717195)
Well, it makes sense that Jabari's value is lower because his exploded knee is such a question mark, whereas LaVine... oh.
   3751. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 27, 2018 at 10:14 PM (#5717222)
Are we all just assuming that Capela will get the max? I don't think it's so clear cut (even absent some unexpected development like an injury). I guess everyone knew Houston would match, but it also didn't seem like teams were falling all over themselves to get to an offer sheet this off-season (and if Houston would match, why not force their hand with a max offer if you really think he's worth it, and at least hurt them cap and tax wise in the process).
   3752. spivey Posted: July 27, 2018 at 11:24 PM (#5717250)
I think unless he got hurt he’d get the max offer from every team with space. I’m a huge fan of Capela though.
   3753. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 28, 2018 at 02:34 AM (#5717279)
   3754. Booey Posted: July 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5717328)
(Also side note, please someone hit me with a stun gun the next time I venture outside the NBA/soccer threads. My god.)


Are you referring to OTP? That place has always been a cesspool.
   3755. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 28, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5717331)
Refers to a Hader thread.

Capela max: I don't think it's clear cut, nor do I think we can guarantee that he'd remain healthy/equally productive over the next year.
   3756. Booey Posted: July 28, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5717344)
Ah. Yeah, I skipped that one. Seemed inevitable from the headline that it would become OTP part II.
   3757. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: July 28, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5717420)
(Also side note, please someone hit me with a stun gun the next time I venture outside the NBA/soccer threads. My god.)

Speaking of, I can't seem to post in the football thread any more. Perhaps somebody should post a new one. It's about time for a new season thread anyway, I would think.
   3758. maccoach57 Posted: July 28, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5717426)
A guy at a Lakers site was talking about the Lakers' 3P shooting. These are last year's numbers, regular season:

JAMES .367
KUZMA .366
INGRAM .390
KCP .383
HART .396
BALL .305..he was trending up
RONDO .333..had been over .350 the three years prior
BEASLEY.395
STEPHENSON .289
----------
CLARKSON .324 LAL/.407 CLE
RANDLE .222
NANCE JR. .250
LOPEZ .345

Didn't include McGee, who has attempted 15 3Ps in his career, making 1.

So, spinning it positively, there is already talk of James + the Young Guys "Baby Death Lineup" and we see that they have some young guys who look like they are decent from the arc, and I think there is some data to support James having "gravity."

On the other hand, the bottom line is that the Lakers do not have a second guy who projects at ASG or near-ASG level, and this metric makes the Stephenson signing even more bizarre. They have Hart and KCP, and there are reasons to have Ball on the floor even though he can't shoot.
   3759. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2018 at 05:49 PM (#5717484)
So, spinning it positively, there is already talk of James + the Young Guys "Baby Death Lineup" and we see that they have some young guys who look like they are decent from the arc, and I think there is some data to support James having "gravity."


If they really do play LeBron at center, that puts Lonzo, KCP, Kuzma/Hart and Ingram around him. It's not clear whether the rebounding would hold up--KCP and Lonzo were good rebounders last year, Hart, Ingram and Kuzma were bad ones. LeBron was a good rebounder, but at a different position.

I'm not sure if it will work or not. It seems like it could, but it depends on the rebounding.
   3760. maccoach57 Posted: July 28, 2018 at 09:28 PM (#5717533)
Good points...and as many, including Lowe, have noted, Randle would have fit pretty well as a smallball 5 even though he is not a floor spacer.
   3761. maccoach57 Posted: July 29, 2018 at 03:33 AM (#5717594)
Checking the numbers, I see that Hart actually had better RB numbers than KCP and was not that far off of Ball. Ingram and Kuzma were pretty bad, and as you would expect, the team's best rebounders last year were Nance Jr. and Randle, so the overall point is correct.
   3762. maccoach57 Posted: July 29, 2018 at 03:58 AM (#5717596)
Also, rebounding is obviously one reason for the switch from Lopez, a notoriously poor rebounder for a guy his size, to McGee.
   3763. tshipman Posted: July 29, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5717676)
Checking the numbers, I see that Hart actually had better RB numbers than KCP and was not that far off of Ball. Ingram and Kuzma were pretty bad, and as you would expect, the team's best rebounders last year were Nance Jr. and Randle, so the overall point is correct.


Sorry, I prefer to look at on/off numbers for defensive rebounding.

There is some noise there, but there's a ton of noise in rebounding numbers full stop. If a guy is a good rebounder/box out guy, the team should be better with him on the court. That is true for Ball and KCP (+1.8% and +2.0% respectively), but not true for Ingram, Kuzma and Hart (-1.0%, -2.3% and -1.6%, respectively).

I have the most confidence in Kuzma being a bad rebounder, and the least in Hart being a bad rebounder.
   3764. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: July 29, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5717684)
Also, rebounding is obviously one reason for the switch from Lopez, a notoriously poor rebounder for a guy his size, to McGee.

I don't remember where I first read it but there's evidence that Brook rebounds like his brother or Steven Adams-- he boxes out hard and lets other guys get the board. Don't have the ability to look it up right now but I recall that his team's rebounding rate is significantly higher with him on the floor.
   3765. maccoach57 Posted: July 29, 2018 at 10:55 PM (#5717809)
Don't have the ability to look it up right now but I recall that his team's rebounding rate is significantly higher with him on the floor.


That may be, but he does not rebound like Adams on O:

CAREER ORB/DRB
ADAMS: 13.8/16.1
LOPEZ: 8.9/16.0

LAST YEAR:
ADAMS: 16.6/13.9
LOPEZ: 4.6/13.4

So, they are the same on the D glass, but not on the O glass. Overall results may be the same. As to Hart, fair point, but he does grab a lot of caroms for a guard.
   3766. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: July 30, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5717886)
Random drop in but listened to the most recent Simmons podcast and he (and I guess Lakers fans he knows, whatever that means) are talking about KCP like he's the worst player in the league. What am I missing? He seemed good in Detroit until 16-17, when all of Detroit fell off a cliff, and then last year he's 19th in RPM among shooting guards. Can people just not get over the Klutch thing with KCP? Or is he actually bad? Seems like competent starting guards don't grow on trees. I know it's Simmons but feel like I see a lot of KCP slander.
   3767. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 30, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5717896)
He's fine, imo, though I'm not keen on the DUI charge + how he failed to deal with it.
   3768. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: July 30, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5718088)
Per Cleaning the Glass, Caldwell-Pope is a pretty efficient shooter with a good shot distribution who mostly relies on others to create his looks (73% of his looks were assisted last season) and doesn't create a lot for others. Well above average from the corners, above average on non-corner threes. Seems to be a cromulent defender who avoids excessive fouling. Not a lot of playmaking. Was an above-average defensive rebounder for a wing last year: (his percentile ranking for percentage of opponent misses he rebounded each year of his career: 15, 23, 15, 17, 80). Hard to say without looking at tape whether that's just an anomaly, something about the Lakers' scheme, or just due to the move from Detroit, where Drummond hoovered up every defensive board in sight, to LA, where Lopez boxed out well but wasn't a dominant individual rebounder.

On the whole, a perfectly good role player whose skill set is well-suited to being a complementary wing, and at $12m, he makes about market rate without tying up the cap moving forward. If the Celtics didn't have an embarrassment of talent at the wing, I'd be perfectly happy to have him.
   3769. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: July 30, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5718091)
I am having trouble coming up with an insanity-themed nickname for John Collins.
   3770. aberg Posted: July 30, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5718120)
I am having trouble coming up with an insanity-themed nickname for John Collins.


John his meds Collins
Collinsanity
   3771. maccoach57 Posted: July 30, 2018 at 06:42 PM (#5718155)
I guess Simmons hangs out with different Lakers fans than I do. KCP is not a big topic that I am aware of, other than he seems to be a pretty good fit on a LeBron James team. He is on a reasonable one-year deal, so I am not sure why any Lakers fans would be down on him. There was talk at the time they signed him that one reason Maginka wanted him is that KCP has the same agent that James does, which may mean nothing, but since James actually signed here, that seems like something that would make KCP a fan fave if anything.
   3772. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: July 30, 2018 at 06:46 PM (#5718158)
Collinsanity


This works. The "John his meds" thing not so much. Must match "Vinsanity" and "Linsanity," for obvious reasons. Work on Trae Young next, please.
   3773. maccoach57 Posted: July 30, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5718162)
LeBron James' school in Akron:

link
   3774. maccoach57 Posted: July 30, 2018 at 06:54 PM (#5718163)
NBA TV

@NBATV
"Know no matter if I'm playing in Los Angeles or not, Akron, Ohio is always home for me. Always."

-@KingJames
   3775. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 30, 2018 at 06:56 PM (#5718165)
This works. The "John his meds" thing not so much. Must match "Vinsanity" and "Linsanity," for obvious reasons. Work on Trae Young next, please.


The Master of Ballin'Trae
   3776. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 30, 2018 at 11:02 PM (#5718280)
Traeziness
   3777. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: July 31, 2018 at 08:32 AM (#5718352)
that’s an awfully bleak list of accomplishments for a figure associated with as much upheaval as Jerry Colangelo is in Philadelphia. Jerry will be remembered for pushing out Hinkie. He’ll be remembered for disrupting and short-circuiting Hinkie’s cosmic-brain project, and worse, he’ll be remembered for discarding Hinkie’s cynical, game-theory-esque approach to basketball in favor of [gulp] nepotism. The Colangelos will be remembered for trading up in the draft to select a guy who promptly forgot how to play basketball, and they’ll be remembered for one of the most embarrassing front office scandals in recent NBA history, a disaster that left the team without a general manager during the most important offseason it’s had in nearly a decade.
the sixers still do not have a GM.
   3778. aberg Posted: July 31, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5718556)
Wolves signed CJ Williams to a 2-way deal. I liked Williams with the Clippers in his limited action. Even though he's not a great 3pt shooter, he does almost everything else reasonably well. If he ends up on the main roster, he'll probably be in the wing rotation pretty quickly because he's tough and tries hard defensively.
   3779. aberg Posted: July 31, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5718662)
Lakers jersey updates- the old-school gold looks great. The black stripe on the purple looks awful.
   3780. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: July 31, 2018 at 08:15 PM (#5718757)
Supposedly Tristan Thompson and Draymond got in a fight in, like, real life!
   3781. jmurph Posted: August 01, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5719027)
Supposedly Tristan Thompson and Draymond got in a fight in, like, real life!

This seems very on brand for both guys, especially Thompson, who did absolutely nothing of note on the court all year.
   3782. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5719103)
As details about the "fight" emerge the more I'm realizing the world of the NBA is basically a John Hughes movie. My quick thoughts: Who hasn't wanted to "face smush" Draymond Green? Also, man, Draymond really did get under Thompson's skin. This has got to put Draymond in some kind of trolling hall of fame. I just hope they didn't ruin LeBron's party before his parents came home from their weekend at the Cape.
   3783. aberg Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5719107)
This seems very on brand for both guys, especially Thompson, who did absolutely nothing of note on the court all year.


Tristan has a very weird combination of having an attention-seeking personality (dating a Kardashian, being on their TV show, the strip club video, this fight, contract hold-out) and a very subtle playing style (good team defender, sets screens, boxes out well, offensive rebounds). For someone who seems to want a lot of credit, the things he does well are things that don't get a lot of credit.
   3784. Just TFTIO Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5719111)
For someone who seems to want a lot of credit, the things he does well are things that don't get a lot of credit.

IOW, a Canadian.
   3785. jmurph Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5719134)
and a very subtle playing style (good team defender, sets screens, boxes out well, offensive rebounds). For someone who seems to want a lot of credit, the things he does well are things that don't get a lot of credit.

I agree this was true at times in the past, but he was just fully bad this year.
   3786. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5719137)
rumor!
Nwaba to sign with CLE
   3787. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5719140)
I can work with Traeziness. Might tweak it to "getting a little Trae Trae up in here, bae." We'll see.

Next up, Dewayne Dedmond!
   3788. aberg Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5719149)
I agree this was true at times in the past, but he was just fully bad this year.


In the regular season, yes. I thought the Cavs played better when they reintegrated him in the playoffs.
   3789. aberg Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5719152)
Brain Dedmon?
   3790. jmurph Posted: August 01, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5719159)
In the regular season, yes. I thought the Cavs played better when they reintegrated him in the playoffs.

Yeah that's fair, I think I remember advocating for playing him more, too.
   3791. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 01, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5719173)
rumor!
Nwaba to sign with CLE


sigh
   3792. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: August 01, 2018 at 04:29 PM (#5719254)
   3793. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 01, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5719274)
Rockets sold Chinanu Onuaku to the Mavs.
I liked him when he entered the league as a guy who can roll to the hoop and create for others, but he stagnated last year and turnovers and fouls have been a problem in the G league.
   3794. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: August 01, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5719278)
John Wall:
I think we have a better team now, and the East is more wide-open now that [LeBron James is] out of the picture

LeBron, uh, seems not to have been the issue:

2018: Wizards lost to Raptors, who went on to play LeBron's team
2017: Wizards lost to Celtics, who went on to play LeBron's team
2016: Wizards didn't make playoffs
2015: Wizards lost to Hawks, who went on to play LeBron's team
2014: Wizards lost to Pacers, who went on to play LeBron's team
2011-2013: Wizards didn't make playoffs
2010: Wizards draft John Wall
   3795. PJ Martinez Posted: August 01, 2018 at 05:56 PM (#5719285)
"Hearing there's a good chance TNT season-opening slate will be Sixers-Celtics and Thunder-Warriors on Oct. 16"
   3796. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 02, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5719803)
   3797. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: August 02, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5719884)
stiggles?
i'm dead.
   3798. maccoach57 Posted: August 02, 2018 at 07:07 PM (#5719956)
Given my age and fandom, I enjoy the league more when the PHI/BOS matchups are relevant.
   3799. spivey Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5720101)
I’ve only watched the last couple rounds of TBT but it’s been pretty fun and pretty solid basketball too
   3800. jmurph Posted: August 03, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5720211)
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