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OT - 2018 NFL thread

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The Raiders and Bears have finalized a deal that will send pass-rusher Khalil Mack and a second-round pick to Chicago in exchange for four draft picks—including two first-rounders—a source told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Saturday.

The Bears gave up first-round picks in 2019 and 2020, a third-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-round pick in 2019, the source said. In addition to Mack, Chicago also gets a second-round pick in 2020 and a conditional fifth-round pick in 2020.

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   1. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: September 02, 2018 at 09:26 AM (#5737598)
...By the time Nagy came to Philly, Reid had ceded a good portion of day-to-day offensive operations to entrenched coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. But when a young, relatively inexperienced staff (one that included Pederson as a first-year offensive coordinator and Nagy as the QBs coach) followed Reid to Kansas City in 2013, the veteran coach felt it was time to once again take control. Just before the start of that year’s OTAs, during one of the staff’s opening meetings of the season, Reid busted in the door with a new-look up-tempo approach ready to go out of the gate. “It was out of nowhere,” Nagy says. “And we ended up doing it. It ended up being successful. That just goes to show that his mind is always thinking one step ahead of everybody.”

For a young coach thirsting to innovate, getting to see Reid pilot the offense was a dream come true. “That was so awesome,” Nagy says. “For the first time, being a young guy coming up, I got to hear the installs, play-by-play, detail-by-detail, from coach Reid. For me to hear that, and to understand how he works and how he thinks, it allowed me as a quarterbacks coach to say, ‘Wow, he likes to be creative. I like to be creative. Let’s start throwing some ideas with each other—along with Doug and the rest of these guys.’”
reid should have been fired in 08 (specifically, at any point after week 11 (13-13 tie v. CIN) or week 12 (36-7 loss v. BAL; yes, kevin klob's first career start actually came against a defense with at least 2 future HOFers (and as many as 5)). he would never have caught this second wind if he had stayed in PHI, so he'd have been better off, and PHI was not getting reid's best efforts, so they'd have been better off, too.

   2. Howie Menckel Posted: September 02, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5737721)
Giants have an old QB in Eli Manning, and had the second pick in the draft in April.

they took RB Barkley of Penn State, so the Jets "settled" for USC QB Darnold - who apparently will be the youngest QB to start on Day 1 in a half-century.

the Giants just cut heir apparent Davis Webb, who had been a 3rd-round pick.

they took a 4th-round QB stab this year, some guy Lauletta. No. 2 for now is a 30-year-old who has played 1 game in the NFL.

the Giants and Jets play in the same stadium.

downside? I'm not following you. what could be the downside here?
   3. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: September 02, 2018 at 06:17 PM (#5737771)
Fun (football) fact: The Giants (3-13) and Jets (5-11) were a combined 8-24 in 2017, their worst combined record in 21 years (NYG 6-10, NYJ 1-15 in 1996). Their worst-ever season was 1976 (both 3-11, for a 6-22 mark).

And now, a kwik-kwiz: in 58 seasons of football (1960-2017), what was the ONLY time the Giants and Jets won playoff games in the same season...?
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: September 02, 2018 at 10:06 PM (#5737831)
that is a beauty!

without revealing it:

think of winning a playoff game but not reaching the Super Bowl as sort of hitting a double but not scoring a run.

the Jets have done that just 7 times in the last 35 years (and never reached the Super Bowl)

the Giants have only done it 4 times in their entire history - and only once in more than three decades (and that was 25 years ago. but 5 Super Bowl appearances in that span)

#feastorfamine
   5. zenbitz Posted: September 03, 2018 at 03:47 AM (#5737858)
I uh cant remember the last time the Jets won a playoff game. Mid 90s?
   6. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: September 03, 2018 at 04:01 AM (#5737860)
I uh cant remember the last time the Jets won a playoff game. Mid 90s?
how could you possibly forget about the sanchize?
   7. JJ1986 Posted: September 03, 2018 at 08:31 AM (#5737876)
My first date with my wife, we watched the Jets win a playoff game against the Patriots. That would have been mid-January 2011.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: September 03, 2018 at 08:32 AM (#5737877)
The Buffalo Bills, who made the playoffs last year, have named Nathan Peterman their starting QB.
   9. Greg K Posted: September 03, 2018 at 08:42 AM (#5737880)
The Buffalo Bills, who made the playoffs last year, have named Nathan Peterman their starting QB.

Ugh. So much for watching football this year!
   10. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 03, 2018 at 09:32 AM (#5737886)
how could you possibly forget about the sanchize?


Everyone is aware by now of the fact that... how many exactly is it now... 14 of the last 15 AFC Championships have been won by Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger.

That one magical January of 2011, Mark Sanchez--Mark Sanchez!!--very nearly took down all three of them back-to-back-to-back. The Steelers managed to survive Sanchezmania after he popped off Manning and Brady in the first two rounds.
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 03, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5737891)
That one magical January of 2011, Mark Sanchez--Mark Sanchez!!--very nearly took down all three of them back-to-back-to-back

ummmmm----no--it was the defense and the running game that did that. The QB was irrelevant. This recent* use of "playoff wins" as a QB stat is absurd

*I'm so old that anything in the last 25 years is recent to me
   12. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 03, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5737900)
And now, a kwik-kwiz: in 58 seasons of football (1960-2017), what was the ONLY time the Giants and Jets won playoff games in the same season...?

Was it the year the Giants won their first Super Bowl?
   13. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 03, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5737901)
Was it the year the Giants won their first Super Bowl?

Bingo
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 03, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5737903)
think of winning a playoff game but not reaching the Super Bowl as sort of hitting a double but not scoring a run.

the Jets have done that just 7 times in the last 35 years (and never reached the Super Bowl)

the Giants have only done it 4 times in their entire history - and only once in more than three decades (and that was 25 years ago. but 5 Super Bowl appearances in that span)

#feastorfamine


For the Giants, feast or famine entered a new phase once the Super Bowl was established.

Giants' record in pre-Super Bowl NFL postseason games: 3-13

Giants' Super Bowl record: 4-1

That 3-13 pre-SB record included 2 particularly galling losses in conference playoffs. In 1943, the Giants were 2 games behind the Redskins with 2 games to play against them to wind up the season. They won both of those games to force a playoff for the Eastern title. But after beating the Skins in Washington by 28 to 0 in the season ender, the very next week they lost the playoff game at home by 31 to 7, a 52 point turnaround. It wasn't their finest hour.

And in 1950, they shut out the Browns in their first meeting, giving Cleveland its first whitewashing in its 5 year history. But after then beating them again in their second matchup later that year, they lost to them in a special conference playoff.
   15. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 03, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5737905)
Giants' record in pre-Super Bowl NFL postseason games: 3-13

people talk a lot about the Bills 0-4 SB run but the Giants were in 5 NFL championship games in 6 years between 1958-63 and lost all 5
   16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 03, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5737906)
And for Giants fans, here's another nice little bit of trivia. Not only are they the only team ever to lose the NFL Championship game in 3 consecutive years (1961-62-63), their baseball counterparts were one of only two teams ever to lose 3 straight World Series,** when they lost to the A's in 1911, the Red Sox in 1912, and the A's again in 1913.

** The 1907-08-09 Tigers were the other.
   17. zenbitz Posted: September 03, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5737925)
Everyone loves to mock the hapless Jets, but one of the greatest games I ever saw in person was the Monday Night Miracle.

3 quarters of merciless new york home team mocking followed by the Vinny Testaverde show.
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 03, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5737927)
Everyone loves to mock the hapless Jets, but one of the greatest games I ever saw in person was the Monday Night Miracle.

3 quarters of merciless new york home team mocking followed by the Vinny Testaverde show.

Golden Primey award for whoever can name the head coach of the Jets that year
   19. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 03, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5737930)

Golden Primey award for whoever can name the head coach of the Jets that year


Well, for one day it was Bill Belichick.
   20. stevegamer Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:52 AM (#5738112)
Golden Primey award for whoever can name the head coach of the Jets that year


Wasn't it some guy they bumped up into the role. For some reason, Al Groh is rattling around in my head.
   21. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 06:59 AM (#5738114)
Wasn't it some guy they bumped up into the role. For some reason, Al Groh is rattling around in my head.

Bingo--was linebackers coach until Belichick "resigned as HC of NYJ". He lasted one year then went back to his alma mater, Virginia
   22. JJ1986 Posted: September 09, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5741254)
The Giants just wasted a timeout to avoid a delay of game on the first play of the second half. Just take the damn 5 yards.
   23. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 09, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5741255)
How about just be ready to run a freaking play? I mean in that situation, it is just inexcusable.
   24. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 09, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5741259)
By the way, there was a thread that discussed the worst rules in sports a week or two ago. Forget which one.

But one that went unmentioned is the intentional grounding rule. I hate that one so much. A quarterback in the middle of being tackled should not be able to get out of it, by tossing the ball 3 feet forward onto the ground, at the feet of some TE or back, who isn't even looking at the play.

He isn't trying to make a play, he is not trying to get it to another player. He is trying to get it on the ground. Intentionally. How is that not intentional grounding?
   25. Thok Posted: September 09, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5741261)
The Buffalo Bills, who made the playoffs last year, have named Nathan Peterman their starting QB.


After one half of football, the Bills are on pace for 0 first downs this season.
   26. JJ1986 Posted: September 09, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5741302)
Come on, Browns
   27. zenbitz Posted: September 09, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5741304)
Well, I guess I am glad the 49ers were in that one... but it's frustrating; it was probably a winnable game - against Minnesota on the road.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: September 09, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5741315)
Giants trail, 13-9, to start the second half.
1st and 10 on their own 25.
Eli Manning can't hear the play in his helmet, starts gesturing frantically.
Announcer Kenny Albert says Giants are "forced" to call a timeout.

why would a football team ever be forced to call a timeout? can't they just take a 5-yard penalty?
which is what they should have done, because I'd love the a WPA chart that shows that moving the ball back from your 25 to your 20 is more damaging than USING A TIMEOUT.

inevitably, the Giants are only down 5 points while the Jaguars kill some clock in their own field with under 2 minutes left. Giants make a 3rd-down stop with 1:30 or so left and call.... oh, I'm sorry, they are out of timeouts. there's under a minute left as they punt toward the Giants 20, meaning Eli loses one-third of the time he could use because they were FORCED TO CALL A TIMEOUT earlier, Albert says in back-to-back sentences.


now, the Giants rookie muffs the punt, so game over anyway, but still.
   29. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: September 09, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5741321)
Pete Carroll couldn't get his challenge flag out in time, so Denver got away with a fumble.

Earlier, Shaquem Griffin got his first pass defense of the regular season. He successfully defended it, and the color commentator (edit: Mark Schlereth) twice said he did a good job "getting his hands" on the receiver within the 5-yard zone to throw him off. Unfortunately, Shaquem only has one hand.
   30. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: September 09, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5741325)
Howie and JJ1986, I agree, I've long felt that taking the penalty is sometimes better than burning a TO. I'll bet teams start realizing that eventually. Wonder if there's been a statistical study of it?

But "forced" really means "forced to take a timeout in order to avoid a penalty".
   31. Jay Z Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5741552)
people talk a lot about the Bills 0-4 SB run but the Giants were in 5 NFL championship games in 6 years between 1958-63 and lost all 5


They won in 1956 with basically the same team.
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5741554)
I thought it was ridiculous for the Bears to pass on third down, rather than try to run with Trubisky or Cohen, though it validated Green Bay's questionable third timeout call. Obviously, if things played out the same way post kickoff, it wouldn't have mattered, but there's no way of knowing that.

   33. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5741565)
people talk a lot about the Bills 0-4 SB run but the Giants were in 5 NFL championship games in 6 years between 1958-63 and lost all 5


They won in 1956 with basically the same team.

that's why they're not considered losers, like the Bills are
   34. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 10, 2018 at 06:35 PM (#5741851)
As bad as the Bills are, I saw a stat today that the Browns at 0-0-1 are off to their best start since 2004.

That absolutely broke me for several minutes.
   35. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 10, 2018 at 09:14 PM (#5741933)
Lions are moving from mediocre to bad. This is after their GM's (Quinn, from New England) third offseason. Just hiring random dudes from New England has worked for which franchise so far? Any?
   36. McCoy Posted: September 10, 2018 at 09:20 PM (#5741935)
The bears since at least the Smith era have been absolutely atrocious at clock management and yesterday just shows that they still haven't fixed it.

New coaching staff and all but they used up two timeouts before even getting out of the first quarter. At that point I figured it would be safe old Bears in that regard.

In the second half as soon as I saw the Packers were going for the quick passes I turned the game off and went to bed. I just knew the Bears were going to blow it.
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5742014)
"Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett shouldn't have been called for roughing the passer in the second quarter of the Browns' 21-21 tie Sunday with the Pittsburgh Steelers, the NFL's senior vice president for officiating said Monday.

Garrett wrapped up Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for a third-down incompletion and was called for a personal foul. On the next play, Steelers running back James Conner ran in for a touchdown and a 6-0 Steelers lead."

..........

(note the third-down incompletion, the call, and the result. ouch)

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