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OT - August/September 2017 College Football thread

In the first week of August a sports information director’s fancy lightly turns to thoughts of polls.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 03, 2017 at 01:05 PM | 311 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:48 PM (#5536398)
temple is impressively terrible and this offensive display is the football equivalent of 'springtime for hitler'. 3 turnovers in 4 plays to start the 2nd half. 6 turnovers in total.

   202. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 22, 2017 at 10:21 PM (#5537186)
Break up the Hoos.
   203. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 22, 2017 at 10:36 PM (#5537198)
If you're not willing to go for 4th-and-1 trailing by 21 with 18 minutes left, just forfeit the game.
   204. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 01:53 PM (#5537335)
Not what I wanted from Texas Tech-Houston.
   205. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 02:43 PM (#5537351)
"Forcible contact" has no meaning.
   206. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 03:05 PM (#5537363)
UMass returns a punt to Tennessee territory trailing 17-13 with 5:34 left.

Had a first down at the Tennessee 38 on the previous possession, moved backwards, then ran a give-up play on 3rd-and-20 before punting.
   207. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5537367)
Fraidy pants playcalling. I don't care if you've got your eighth-string quarterback in, you can't keep turtling away the opportunity to win the game.
   208. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5537391)
Brian Griese played football. His father played football. How does he not know that "downing" a punt is illegal touching?
   209. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:21 PM (#5537462)
Louisiana Tech has blown a 13-0 lead in the fourth quarter at South Carolina, but with under two minutes left it's inside the Gamecock 15 trailing by a point.
   210. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:28 PM (#5537464)
Skip Holtz decides to turtle to waste South Carolina's timeouts. I almost want South Carolina to get the game-winning field goal after that.
   211. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:07 PM (#5537477)
Kicking an extra point to go up 13 with 2:37 left. </bafflement>

Anyway, I will forever be in TCU's corner after the events of 2014.
   212. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:11 PM (#5537503)
As I turn away from Penn State-Iowa out of annoyance at the sickly kid tearjerkoff, I see Syracuse drop a pass in the end zone. 7-3 LSU, on the strength of a one-yard touchdown drive following an opening-play interception.
   213. dlf Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:24 PM (#5537506)
I loved the TD that Tua Tagovailoa threw for 'Bama. Edge rusher coming from the left, he steps up but keeps his head down field and spots an open receiver about 35 yards away. He isn't the athlete that Jalen H is - perhaps no one outside of Louisville is a better athlete than Hurts is - but he has a better arm and is willing to come off his first read without tucking the ball to run.
   214. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5537526)
Don't look now, but Baylor has stormed back from 28-10 down to tie Oklahoma -- and has now recovered a fumble.
   215. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5537527)
Hahahaha! Iowa leads in preposterous fashion.
   216. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:13 PM (#5537528)
Iowa had 33 yards on 23 plays, then BOOM! Interception, 21-yard touchdown pass, 7-5 lead.
   217. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:14 PM (#5537551)
Gators gonna lose to Kentucky for the first time in 31 tries unless something drastic happens. Along those lines, McElwain decided to put Luke Del Rio in at QB, because Feleipe Franks has mostly sucked hard in this game (and frankly most of the Tennessee game last week). LDR responds by throwing a bad pick on his first series.

QB depth was being sold as a big plus for the Gators this year, but so far they've gotten a lot of garbage out of the position, plus of course one perfect 63-yard TD. Hard to think of a more damning indictment of McElwain, after he spent the whole summer telling us about the QB depth, the offensive line improvement, and all the upgrades at skill positions, that the offense remains mostly incapable of moving the ball unless they catch the defense napping for a big play. And what more perfect symbol of his failure than a loss to ############# Kentucky.
   218. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:29 PM (#5537558)
There's this weird narrative around Luke Del Rio that he's this experienced, savvy, hyper-accurate game manager who can be trusted to safely run an offense, when in reality he's a former walk-on playing for his third program with six career starts, more interceptions than touchdowns and a sub-57 percent completion rate.

(Not directed at you, Brian)
   219. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:34 PM (#5537560)
Baylor took a 31-28 lead, then gave up three touchdowns to again fall behind by 18 with 8:55 left, but a field goal and touchdown made it 49-41, and an onside recovery has made it a game with 1:40 left.
   220. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM (#5537561)
Blurgh. Dropped pass on second down, then a strip-sack ends it.

But, hey, Iowa just got a 70-yard touchdown and is going for two to tie.
   221. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:38 PM (#5537562)
I wouldn't take it as directed at me when I basically agree with it!

Still, I don't have a problem with the switch. Franks was awful, and seemed incapable of even looking downfield without being overwhelmed, as he did for all but one play last week and in the Michigan game also. He may be talented but he's not ready.
   222. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:44 PM (#5537564)
Franks can throw the ball a long way and run a little bit. You can build an offense around those skills, but only if you have an effective running game and you essentially make Franks a guy who runs play action and then throws deep, and that's tough if you can't really run the ball.

Though they've had some luck running Davis against UK tonight, so maybe there's something there.
   223. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM (#5537565)
Like, if Florida scores on this drive and holds on for a win, we're going to get a lot of "Luke Del Rio drives to Gators to victory!" stories, and all he's done is hand the ball to Davis after throwing one bad interception.
   224. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:46 PM (#5537567)
Franks isn't exactly surrounded by a ton of talent. The offensive line is a mess, and all of UF's best skill players are suspended.

He's clearly the best among Florida's three QBs. Well, strictly speaking, the best pass for Florida tonight belongs to Kadarius Toney.
   225. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:50 PM (#5537568)
Credit to Del Rio there, some veteran savvy on that fourth down conversion to complete a broken play.

Gators really have had success running the ball for most of the night tonight, and Franks couldn't get anything done outside of the Cleveland TD when UK just fell asleep.
   226. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:55 PM (#5537569)
You know, I'm not a fancy defensive whiz like Mark Stoops, but I feel as though leaving receivers uncovered is not wise.

Also: woo!
   227. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5537570)
Oh boy. Receivers that Kentucky decides not to cover is the new market inefficiency.

Actually what am I saying, it's Kentucky, that's not new.
   228. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5537571)
Well done, Kentucky. Well done.
   229. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5537572)
Kentucky might want to think about maybe covering all of Florida's WRs. Like, that's usually a good idea.
   230. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5537573)
That's just hilarious. UK is completely confused coming out of a timeout.

Still, game not over yet.
   231. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5537574)
Of course, the last seven years or so have me thinking they left too much time for Kentucky.
   232. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:58 PM (#5537575)
I wonder if UF will have to face a kick-off return all year. Pineiro can basically induce a touchback at will.
   233. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:00 PM (#5537576)
IOWA!
   234. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:00 PM (#5537577)
I can hardly take this.
   235. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5537579)
If Stoops hadn't been trying to call time out, I'd think that defense was almost intentional. Like, let them score and make sure you've got time to get a FG.
   236. Voodoo Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:03 PM (#5537580)
This Iowa-Penn State game has been great!
   237. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:04 PM (#5537581)
Oh my god. Holding? Florida's going to win this game on a holding penalty?
   238. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5537582)
That's about the most Kentucky thing possible.
   239. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:06 PM (#5537583)
I hope Florida took some lessons on Hail Mary defense from last week.
   240. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:07 PM (#5537584)
Or not
   241. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:07 PM (#5537585)
Okay, what was the point of that last Kentucky timeout? They've given up getting 10 yards in <5 seconds?
   242. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:08 PM (#5537586)
The Florida Gators: Clutch Gods.
   243. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:08 PM (#5537587)
Oh god it fell short. Looked good all the way to me. Heart attack.
   244. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5537588)
Yeah, I was 99% sure that was good.

Frankly, this was a horrible, horrible way to win a game. I don't feel good about it at all.
   245. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:10 PM (#5537590)
Didn't help that the ESPN PBP guy just said "Distance...." That's what you say when he has the distance, dude.
   246. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:10 PM (#5537591)
McElwain looks embarrassed.
   247. Brian White Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5537592)
Yeah, McElwain knows he got super lucky. He actually struck the right tone in that interview for someone who won in that manner.
   248. Voodoo Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:15 PM (#5537594)
Wow. Penn State wins at the buzzer.
   249. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:16 PM (#5537595)
Iowa's pass rush was gassed and hopeless those last few plays. If ever there was a situation to press the receivers and bring everybody else, that was it.
   250. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:16 PM (#5537596)
I swear. Iowa's going to kill me. It'll be on my tombstone.

Ugh.
   251. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:32 PM (#5537602)
Penn State scores 21 points the hard way: FG, Safety, TD/XP, FG, TD, no XP. It took 98 plays/581 yards to score a TD on the final play. Both teams blocked FG attempts, plus PSU missed one. The kicker who was almost perfect last year, is a real disaster this year. I just don't think they are as good as they are rated.
For all the talk of how this OL is finally where they want it, it still isn't great driving the DL off the line.

Saquon Barkley had some phenomenal cuts. He's a freaking magician along the sideline.
   252. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 12:35 AM (#5537611)
Didn't help that the ESPN PBP guy just said "Distance...." That's what you say when he has the distance, dude.


The ghost of Ron Franklin. That was his calling card, every FGA he broadcast started out with 'it's got the distance' no matter what actually happened.

That was indeed classic UK. All the massive consecutive winning streaks include some 'how the hell did they win that one' moments (ND over Navy, and Nebraska over Kansas)
   253. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:38 AM (#5537614)
Good for Arizona State trying to pick up third down with a pass instead of turtling to make Oregon burn its last timeout.
   254. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:56 AM (#5537617)
I still expected that to burn them bit it was a good call. Harry is a manchild, great play by DB
   255. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:44 AM (#5537625)
Penn State scores 21 points the hard way: FG, Safety, TD/XP, FG, TD, no XP. It took 98 plays/581 yards to score a TD on the final play. Both teams blocked FG attempts, plus PSU missed one. The kicker who was almost perfect last year, is a real disaster this year. I just don't think they are as good as they are rated.

PSU dominated all 3 phases of the game and if they had played a little better, this could have been a 42-10 blowout. iowa did a hell of a job to prevent that from happening.

my biggest concern is that they haven't shown any downfield passing ability through 4 games. it's not just that they aren't connecting; it's that they aren't even taking shots right now. that was a huge part of their offense last year, and it's been non-existent through the first 4 games.

the defense looks pretty legit, though. there aren't any good QBs on their schedule this year (sorry, not sorry, indiana/tosu/michigan), so they should hold up until bowl season.

this was PSU's best road win since 2013. this group of players had never gone into an environment like that and won. now they have. that's not an insignificant hurdle to clear (looking at you, michigan).

For all the talk of how this OL is finally where they want it, it still isn't great driving the DL off the line.
PSU's 3rd string RT played most of the game. 2 of the turnovers were his fault.

their running game relies on misdirection and leaving certain players unblocked. even when they average 7+ yards per carry, it's not going to be a mauling.
Saquon Barkley had some phenomenal cuts. He's a freaking magician along the sideline.

barkley is a unicorn. his speed, power and agility are elite. he catches passes and he's great on blitz pickup. he's the most complete college RB since...i don't even know.

but they can't rely on him like they did tonight. 28 carries/12 catches is borderline criminal in this era. they need to add some 2 RB packages to ease his workload without losing the threat he presents when he's on the field. they would gash teams with a combination swing pass/inside draw out of a 2 RB set.
This Iowa-Penn State game has been great!

agreed, but someone's gotta lose.
   256. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:31 AM (#5537879)
Saquon Barkley new Heisman favorite at 2-1 (was 12-1 last week) followed by Mayfield 7-2; Darnold, Jackson & Rudolph 8-1 via @LVSuperBook
- Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 24, 2017
   257. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 25, 2017 at 08:42 PM (#5538813)
temple made it to deadspin:

I don’t say this lightly—the Owls offense truly fielded one of the very worst performance I’ve ever had to watch for this job. They ran for minus-four yards, completed 30 percent of their passes for 89 yards and four picks, and had to rely on the defense for the team’s lone score. The game was hideous, and morally, I cannot ask you to even glimpse the highlight reel.
   258. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 25, 2017 at 10:13 PM (#5538839)
My bafflement that Pitt was #32 in the pre-season rankings turns out to be justified.
   259. cmd600 Posted: September 25, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5538883)
   260. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 26, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5539151)
looking at you, michigan

michigan had their best team in 10+ years last season and they couldn't even finish 2nd in their division.

you have another chance this year. go to penn state and win, go to wisconsin and win, beat tosu at home and you'll be in the playoff. penn state and ohio state (both play @iowa instead of @wisconsin) are in the same position. noone is going to win this division cheaply.
   261. cmd600 Posted: September 26, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5539454)
penn state and ohio state (both play @iowa instead of @wisconsin) are in the same position. noone is going to win this division cheaply.


Yeah, going to S&P+ #5 Wisconsin is pretty much the same as going to #43 Iowa. Just like last year, where the difference between Michigan and Penn St's schedule's being Michigan going to Iowa instead getting them at home and playing Wisconsin instead of Minnesota was little to nothing.
   262. PepTech Posted: September 26, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5539505)
As a UW alum I am amused that finally, after all these years, there is a prime candidate game featuring two undefeated, ranked teams, just begging for College Gameday to finally visit Pullman - so that Ol' Crimson can get a rest. And USC-WSU is scheduled for Friday night. Heh.

If the Cougars can pull it off, there is actually a nonzero chance for a pretty important Apple Cup. Which, for some reason, has broken with recent tradition and is scheduled for a Saturday (in Seattle).
   263. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 26, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5539754)
Yeah, going to S&P+ #5 Wisconsin is pretty much the same as going to #43 Iowa. Just like last year, where the difference between Michigan and Penn St's schedule's being Michigan going to Iowa instead getting them at home and playing Wisconsin instead of Minnesota was little to nothing.
good to know you already have this year's excuse lined up. and hey, you even got to dust off last year's excuse, too.


   264. cmd600 Posted: September 27, 2017 at 01:28 AM (#5539835)
good to know you already have this year's excuse lined up. and hey, you even got to dust off last year's excuse, too.



Excuses, what in there is an excuse? And that's rich coming from the guy who complained about a couple linebackers being out after 49-10.
   265. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: September 27, 2017 at 06:32 AM (#5539849)
Penn State is a great running back attached to a #### team. Their QB sucks, their defense is mediocre, and Franklin is an awful game manager. Winning by inches @ Iowa is no cause for celebration. What's Penn States claim to fame, beating up some shitty teams and losing to USC 'but not by that much!'? I hope Penn State fans enjoy bloomin' onions.
   266. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 27, 2017 at 12:28 PM (#5540100)
Penn State is a great running back attached to a #### team. Their QB sucks, their defense is mediocre, and Franklin is an awful game manager. Winning by inches @ Iowa is no cause for celebration. What's Penn States claim to fame, beating up some shitty teams and losing to USC 'but not by that much!'? I hope Penn State fans enjoy bloomin' onions.
1: every college team is shitty.
2: every QB in the big ten this year sucks. mcsorley is arguably the best of them.
3: the defense might actually be pretty good. they're 3 deep at every position, their young players are highly regarded and they have a ton of experience and talent in the secondary
4: awful is an oversell, but i'd agree franklin has a lot of work to do to near the pantheon of great coaches.
5: winning at iowa appears to be a 50/50 proposition. it's more of a relief than a statement, but it's better than losing.
6: if penn state can't beat ohio state and michigan, they deserve to play in the outback bowl.
7: PSU's weaknesses, as i see them:
a: the offensive line - doesn't appear to be good at run blocking or pass blocking (slight hyperbole)
b: their pass rush - they don't have a proven pass rusher at DE, but they have a handful of really talented interior pass rushers
c: wide receivers - mcsorley stopped throwing the ball to them
d: the kicker - he stopped being good
Excuses, what in there is an excuse? And that's rich coming from the guy who complained about a couple linebackers being out after 49-10.
not only did penn state play a freshman walk-on at MLB that day, but after he tore his ACL, they had to put in that guy's backup. it's not why they lost that game, but it's why they lost that game in that way.

   267. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: September 27, 2017 at 12:51 PM (#5540132)
not only did penn state play a freshman walk-on at MLB that day, but after he tore his ACL, they had to put in that guy's backup. it's not why they lost that game, but it's why they lost that game in that way.


I think you're focusing on the '49' and not the '10'. Penn State's offense is a bit of a gimmick offense and it doesn't work well against well-coached defenses. (To be fair, that's true of all offenses, but I think the variance for PSU is higher).

Whether or not the issue is McSorley, scheme, OL or WRs, in the two games I've watched PSU's downfield passing has been de minimis. Against good DCs (or perhaps more accurately, teams with pro-caliber talents at safety, which in the B1G is a venn diagram that's a perfect circle) that leaves PSU incredibly exposed.

I agree the B1G is flat this year - OSU/UM/PSU/Wisc all seem to be flawed, with OSU probably the best team of the bunch just by dint of talent coming out their ears. So maybe PSU steals a one-loss season with its pillow-soft schedule. But I think that the schedule and Barkley are covering up a lot of flaws that are typical in Franklin's teams.
   268. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 27, 2017 at 01:26 PM (#5540203)
I think you're focusing on the '49' and not the '10'. Penn State's offense is a bit of a gimmick offense and it doesn't work well against well-coached defenses. (To be fair, that's true of all offenses, but I think the variance for PSU is higher).

Whether or not the issue is McSorley, scheme, OL or WRs, in the two games I've watched PSU's downfield passing has been de minimis. Against good DCs (or perhaps more accurately, teams with pro-caliber talents at safety, which in the B1G is a venn diagram that's a perfect circle) that leaves PSU incredibly exposed.
they just put up 580 yards of offense against iowa, they put 49 points on USC and 38 on wisconsin last year. the offense can work against anyone.

it's janky right now, but the changes they need to make are small tweaks, not massive overhauls. getting back to stretching the field should be priority #1.
I agree the B1G is flat this year - OSU/UM/PSU/Wisc all seem to be flawed, with OSU probably the best team of the bunch just by dint of talent coming out their ears. So maybe PSU steals a one-loss season with its pillow-soft schedule. But I think that the schedule and Barkley are covering up a lot of flaws that are typical in Franklin's teams.

i tend to see franklin the other way and i think he does a great job of getting the most out of the talent he has. he went to 3 bowl games at f'n vanderbilt and he won the big ten with mcsorley at QB. if he was an average coach, neither of those things could have come close to happening.

pillow soft is an oversell. if penn state wins the big ten, they'll have gone through tosu, michigan, iowa and wisconsin. that's not happening cheaply.
   269. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:02 PM (#5540244)
pillow soft is an oversell. if penn state wins the big ten, they'll have gone through tosu, michigan, iowa and wisconsin. that's not happening cheaply.


You can't argue for the merits of a night win @ Iowa and then dismiss the vagaries of home/road scheduling. Drawing Mich at Happy Valley (and Wisc, inshallah, at a neutral site) is HUGE. PSU has one road game all season against (what I expect to be) a top 25 team. Ohio State is in the same boat. Though your point is taken - if PSU's schedule is pillow soft Wisconsin's is like that aerogel #### that NASA used in the shuttle.

Michigan's schedule is the toughest of the strong B1G teams (@ PSU and @ Wisc on top of neutral site Fla) and UM is ever-so-slightly down, so I suspect the B1G will end up with OSU or PSU playing Wisc in the title game, with none of the teams being particularly strong and only one ending up in the playoff.

they just put up 580 yards of offense against iowa, they put 49 points on USC and 38 on wisconsin last year. the offense can work against anyone.


We'll see. It doesn't get points against teams that give a ####, with that Wisconsin game being a notable exception. Western Michigan put up 30 against USC. With Darnold, USC is happy to play a high-snap Big-12 kind of game.
   270. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 27, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5540365)
I suspect the B1G will end up with OSU or PSU playing Wisc in the title game, with none of the teams being particularly strong and only one ending up in the playoff.
i think there's a ~20% chance the big ten doesn't get a team in the playoff this year. a 1-loss B1G champion wisconsin and a 2-loss B1G champion tosu are more likely than not to be on the outside looking in, imo. a 13-0 wisconsin or a 1-loss B1G champion tosu/michigan/PSU are virtual locks to be in, but i think even that might depend on style points and/or other teams losing.
   271. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: September 27, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5540394)
a 1-loss B1G champion wisconsin and a 2-loss B1G champion tosu are more likely than not to be on the outside looking in, imo


I'm with you on TOSU but I think Wisconsin gets in if that 1 loss is to Michigan, especially if it breaks down like last year and Wisconsin beats OSU who beats Michigan who beats Wisconsin (a not-unlikely turn of events)
   272. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 27, 2017 at 06:33 PM (#5540448)
I'm with you on TOSU but I think Wisconsin gets in if that 1 loss is to Michigan, especially if it breaks down like last year and Wisconsin beats OSU who beats Michigan who beats Wisconsin (a not-unlikely turn of events)
i think 1-loss alabama, 1-loss clemson and any 1-loss big 12 champion get in over 1-loss wisconsin this year. after that, it comes down to wisconsin v. USC/georgia/washington/big 12 runner up, and i don't think wisconsin is likely to get the benefit of that doubt.

this is all premature, though. this feels like a year where there's going to be 8 or 9 undefeated or 1-loss teams going into championship saturday, but someone always loses games they shouldn't (a la pitt over clemson, iowa over michigan and penn state over tosu last year). if undefeated alabama loses to 1-loss georgia in the SEC championship game, they're both in. if undefeated oklahoma loses to 1-loss TCU in the big 12 championship game, both of those teams may not get in, but they'd likely be ahead of wisconsin in the pecking order. in any of these toss-up scenarios, even with a 12-1 record, wisconsin's resume comes up short.
   273. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 29, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5541839)
Not liking that pass on fourth down with, like, two feet to go.


If there's any justice in the universe, Duke wins tonight on some kind of terrible call.
   274. Brian White Posted: September 30, 2017 at 12:09 AM (#5541926)
Outside of the sacks and dropped passes, Wazzu's offense is looking pretty good. Unfortunately, sacks and dropped passes are like a full quarter of Wazzu's offensive plays.
   275. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 30, 2017 at 01:07 AM (#5541930)
The thing w Wazzu is the defense. This has not been seen in a very long time in Pullman. The OL has been pushed around to be sure, not helping Falk.
   276. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 01:09 AM (#5541931)
Are they going to show a replay of this alleged roughing or what?
   277. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 01:15 AM (#5541933)
Leach needs to shoot the punter.
   278. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 30, 2017 at 01:38 AM (#5541939)
His punter is one of his WR.
   279. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 30, 2017 at 01:39 AM (#5541940)
I give the refs (booth) whoever credit waving off the targeting. I though with the target count at double the pace of last season there was no way they would wipe that off.
   280. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:04 AM (#5541941)
Darnold had some huge passes on that drive particularly the 4th and 13.
   281. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:08 AM (#5541942)
Happy for Wazzu and Leach.
   282. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:09 AM (#5541943)
Phew. Was not looking forward to USC looking like ass and continuing to win.
   283. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 30, 2017 at 03:17 AM (#5541950)
   284. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5542055)
Well, at least Joe Tiller lived long enough to see Purdue stop being a complete embarrassment.
   285. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:04 PM (#5542080)
i hate temple so, so much.
   286. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5542096)
Florida's offense is looking vaguely respectable - they've been able to run the ball a bit, and Franks (Del Rio injured his shoulder again) is hitting some passes downfield.

Yes, yes, it's against Vanderbilt. I don't care.
   287. Brian White Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5542099)
Florida 2017 football, encapsulated in a single play: Feleipe Franks fires a somewhat ill-advised bullet into traffic - a Vandy DB reaches up and deflects it right to a Florida WR who catches it at the three.
   288. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5542104)
"In an ending that was as controversial as it was tragic, the Florida Gators were awarded the 2017 SEC Championship after every single member of the Alabama football team, including team managers, spontaneously combusted with the Crimson Tide up 53-14 and one minute left in the conference title game."
   289. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:48 PM (#5542106)
My first thought was "Florida returned *two* punts for touchdowns?"
   290. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: September 30, 2017 at 02:51 PM (#5542113)
Hey, they scored two non-return touchdowns against Alabama last year.

They also got a two-point PAT block return.
   291. Brian C Posted: September 30, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5542211)
Yes, yes, it's against Vanderbilt. I don't care.

Although today was relatively easy for a win against Vandy. I know they blow out Vandy once in awhile, but even during the Spurrier years Vandy frequently was a tougher game than it ought to have been even if they (almost!) never actually lose. Even the 1996 national championship team only beat Vandy by a touchdown. It's just one of those things.

I'm pleased for now. Sucks to see Del Rio ought for the year, especially since I now expect Franks to steadily improve only to get struck by an asteroid while shooting up steroids the week before the GA game, but at least they were able to move the ball today. And for the last 7 years that's hardly been a given, no matter how bad the team they're playing against.
   292. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 30, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5542212)
i'm not surprised that trace mcsorley is terrible, but i'd strongly prefer that he not be.
   293. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 30, 2017 at 05:51 PM (#5542213)
also, here's saquon barkley doing more saquon barkley things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6eU61Y-UA0
   294. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 05:54 PM (#5542214)
This is not the SEC East I know. The team everyone has tabbed to win it is the one that's supposed to implode in a cloud of bizarre turnovers.
   295. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 30, 2017 at 06:50 PM (#5542221)
i'm not surprised that trace mcsorley is terrible, but i'd strongly prefer that he not be.
starting to see shades of last year in this 2nd half. more deep throws, more separation downfield, more 50/50 balls being won.
   296. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: September 30, 2017 at 07:02 PM (#5542223)
also, here's saquon barkley doing more saquon barkley things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6eU61Y-UA0
and here's more of barkley doing things
   297. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: September 30, 2017 at 07:20 PM (#5542227)
STIGGLES crowing about passing on Indiana as a sign of anything is perhaps the most STIGGLES thing I've ever read.
   298. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 08:54 PM (#5542259)
Troy was leading LSU 10-0 at the half and just opened the third quarter with a 74-yard run to the one.
   299. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 30, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5542262)
Trojans punch it in on fourth down.


Mississippi State's also losing 42-10 to Auburn, in case any more air needed to be taken out of Clanga's win two weeks ago.
   300. simpleton & childlike gef the talking mongoose Posted: September 30, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5542263)
Trojans punch it in on fourth down.


Not likely they'll hold on to win, especially playing in Baton Rouge, but I'd love to see it. If it does happen, Orgeron is surely toast, as he should be anyway. By the time they play Arkansas, I can only hope it's a case of two dead men walking calling the shots on the opposing sidelines.
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