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Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 01, 2019 at 12:50 PM | 466 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:04 PM (#5881765)
Lucky that wasn't caught and taken the other way.
   402. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:25 PM (#5881767)
Georgia might want to try covering the massive white dude wearing #84.
   403. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:31 PM (#5881768)
There's no excuse for how bad clock management consistently is.
   404. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:31 PM (#5881769)
And that includes the cowardly field goal with nine seconds on the clock.
   405. Meatwad Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5881771)
Well they didnt kick a field goal til 5 seconds left. But these announcers really do suck.
   406. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5881772)
They lined up for one with nine seconds left. And the folly of that was demonstrated by their subsequently running a play and being left with plenty of time.
   407. Meatwad Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:53 PM (#5881775)
No doubt the clock was mis managed they should have gotten a td out of that drive. But i liked that they came out of the first time out with a play ready to go for it.
   408. Meatwad Posted: September 21, 2019 at 10:20 PM (#5881782)
They missed another facemask
   409. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:32 PM (#5881790)
Exactly how dumb do you have to be to jump offside in that situation?
   410. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:39 PM (#5881791)
You're obviously not getting a pass interference call there, but Georgia sure was hanging all over Claypool.
   411. Meatwad Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:40 PM (#5881792)
They didnt win but they didnt #### the bed. I would wager ND would beat georiga if the matched up again this year. Also #### the sec in general.
   412. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM (#5881793)
As keen as Danielson was to play the "He didn't turn his head!" card all night in situations where contact obviously wasn't impeding anyone, it seems odd he'd fail to notice a giant fistful of jersey on the climactic play.
   413. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:50 PM (#5881796)
I would wager ND would beat georiga if the matched up again this year.

and I would take that wager.
   414. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:58 PM (#5881797)
Love the home and home series. UGA and ND delivered.
   415. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 22, 2019 at 06:56 AM (#5881813)
I could never have even dreamed up a football coach as bad as Chris Ash. He has killed the program dead. What a disgrace.
   416. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 22, 2019 at 06:56 AM (#5881814)
I could never have even dreamed up a football coach as bad as Chris Ash. He has killed the program dead. What a disgrace.
   417. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5881846)
I could never have even dreamed up a football coach as bad as Chris Ash. He has killed the program dead. What a disgrace.

at least he hasn't killed a kid. yet.
   418. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5881847)
penn state had a great bye week, courtesy of buffalo beating temple and pitt beating UCF.

i think they went from the from the mid-40s in SRS, to 13th, without playing a snap. #funwithsmallsamplesizes
   419. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 22, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5881870)
at least he hasn't killed a kid.

Or covered up a decades long serial child rape scandal!
   420. Thok Posted: September 22, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5881874)
Cal is somehow ranked 15 in the AP poll and 16 in the coaches poll. As a Cal fan, I feel like that's too high.
   421. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 22, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5881880)
Cal is somehow ranked 15 in the AP poll and 16 in the coaches poll. As a Cal fan, I feel like that's too high.


That win over Washington is one of the best in the nation. The other games, well, I can see your skepticism. At one point they looked that good against Ole Miss, but then suddenly they weren't.
   422. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 22, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5881908)
Or covered up a decades long serial child rape scandal!

what does pennsylvania archdiocese have to do with college football coaches?
   423. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 22, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5881964)
Or covered up a decades long serial child rape scandal!

just for posterity:

what joe paterno participated in was not a cover up. if it had been a cover up, it would have ended at paterno's house, when he told the witness that he would take care of it. instead, he reported the incident to the head of campus police and the college president (fun fact: after this all came out, pennsylvania changed their mandatory reporter laws, meaning that instead of reporting the incident to campus police and the college administration, which is what he did, someone in paterno's position would now be required to report the incident to...campus police and the college administration), and he brought the witness to them, so the witness could tell them what he saw. additionally, the athletic director, who was also in that meeting...for some reason...reported the incident to the people at sandusky's charity.


all of which is to say: if you're attempting to cover something up, you don't tell a bunch of other random people. you tell as few people as possible, you isolate and intimidate witnesses, and if anyone starts asking questions, you hide behind your lawyers.


and finally:
as much fun as it is to continue to litigate the decision making process of a man who died nearly a decade ago, the president of the united states has literally bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women and creeping around naked children backstage at a beauty pageant.
   424. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5882580)
College football coaches, as a general rule, are a weird group of people. The job seems built to attract a specific type of deeply strange person—take the most obsessive and ambitious and aggressive gym teacher possible, then pay him millions of dollars and make him one of the most recognizable and relentlessly public authority figures in a conservative-skewing population group. A sort of compound interest bears down on the people at the center of all this, with each year in the public eye and each new contract causing these coaches—who are already extremely weird dudes, bluff rectangular men that believe they should be in charge at least in part because of how little they sleep—to become progressively stranger and more abstract in their performance of themselves.
...
Michigan’s Jim Harbaugh is a hard-driving success freak who is absolutely wild with self-belief, and Clemson’s Dabo Swinney is ostentatiously prayed-up and defiantly proud about what he can’t be bothered to care about, and Oklahoma State’s Mike Gundy is a fluffy paranoiac bellowing about Fake News and snowflakes and calling it fiery leadership. And Northwestern’s Pat Fitzgerald is... well, actually this is a good question.
...
"my email address is hashtag i don't care"

link
   425. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5883857)
he reported the incident to the head of campus police and the college president

When did he call the actual cops? Because that is what you do when you actually want to report a crime.

I think it is ludicrous that the program even exists to pummel MD tonight. Nice to have a program that I will always root against I guess.
   426. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 27, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5883879)
I'm so pleased that the first week B.C. v VT game influenced so much of my early season betting. Rare to pick up so much intell on badness. Duke w fake punt up 4 scores.
   427. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 27, 2019 at 10:25 PM (#5883902)
When did he call the actual cops? Because that is what you do when you actually want to report a crime.

I think it is ludicrous that the program even exists to pummel MD tonight. Nice to have a program that I will always root against I guess.

maryland's football team forced a 19-year-old to run sprints until he literally died on the practice field, a little more than 15 months ago. go them.


look, i'm not going to say that what paterno (and others) did in that situation was sufficient, but again, paterno was not a witness and he reported what he knew to the head of campus police (which sounds a hell of a lot like "the actual cops").


i don't want smear the guy who witnessed the incident, either (it's not an easy situation to be thrown into), but since a lot of this hinges on the clarity of what he told people at the time, i also just really can't imagine the way he answered some basic investigative questions at the time:

-- how old was the victim?
"he was about 13 years old."

-- where is the victim now?
"i left him alone with the man who i saw raping him."

-- ...
"i'm sure he's fine."


anyway, here's some light reading:
There is a failure to empathize, to admit vulnerability, in so much of the reactions to these cases. That isn’t just when it comes to public judgment—in the form of punishing article comments and tweets—of which there is plenty. In fact, the Post highlighted the case of a prosecutor who pursued a charge of involuntary manslaughter against a father who forgot his toddler son in the car. When asked whether he could have imagined doing the same, given that he was a father himself, the attorney said, “I have to say no, it couldn’t have happened to me. I am a watchful father."

Of course, we all want to believe a variation on that. Plenty in our culture suggests that good parenting provides immunity against such horrors. As with so much judgment around parenting, the blame in these cases is individualized and singularized, despite the highly relatable themes of work stress, multitasking, and sleep deprivation that often accompany hot car deaths. The implied solution—via tabloids, via courts, via online commentary—is personal rather than collective: being an infallible parent. The kind who always perfectly manages the stresses and distractions of modern parenthood. It’s a comforting, if constricting, fantasy—but one that, ironically, drives us further from the empathy that might prompt solutions that help prevent these accidents of chance and circumstance.
   428. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 28, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5883985)
Matt Leinart picked Michigan last week and Maryland tonight

— Carmine Pirone+ (@CramersShirt) September 28, 2019
   429. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 28, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5883996)
I've got Oklahoma-Texas Tech on right now. Feels like Oklahoma could legitimately threaten 100 against this defense if they really wanted to.
   430. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5883999)
The noon P5 slate is non-competitive, and that's about the nicest way to describe it.
   431. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5884000)
Feels like Oklahoma could legitimately threaten 100 against this defense if they really wanted to.

Lamb looked like he never needed to go past 3rd gear on that 71 yard TD grab.

Reports of Tech's improved defense were either premature, or really playing the "relatively" card.
   432. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 28, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5884027)
I'd say that Northwestern's offense is about as exciting as watching paint dry, but that seems like a terrible insult to drying paint.
   433. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5884038)
Big possession for A&M, up 1 with 9ish to go. They punt here and 3 points for Arkansas feels like a good bet.
   434. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5884042)
Arkansas on the 22, down 4. 58 seconds!

And sacked...
   435. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5884044)
Back to a surprisingly close UW-NW game after Arkansas blows it.

UW's throwbacks are unbearable.
   436. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5884051)
Wahoowa
   437. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 28, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5884056)
91 degrees with a heat index of 95 in Gainesville today. If you're coming out to watch Florida play Towson in that weather, well, you are a more dedicated fan than I am.
   438. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 28, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5884058)
i'd like to take a moment to highlight virginia's exquisite non-conference scheduling this year. old dominion; william and mary; liberty. my god.
   439. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5884063)
old dominion; william and mary; liberty. my god

That's one way to keep the travel budget low. I guess. Ew.

Iowa State-Baylor is unwatchable. So I guess I'm watching Washington for the first time this year. They appear to be better than USC.
   440. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 28, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5884066)
i'm sure this is an overreaction, but i'd fire the ole miss coach on the spot because of the way he handled that 4th down.

4th and 5 at the 43;

instead of going for it, or even just getting up to the line of scrimmage to try to draw alabama offsides, he left his offense on the field holding their dicks while the play clock wound down to 0.

then, instead of taking the 5 yards for delay of game and punting, he called a timeout to save those 5 yards...and then punted anyway.

####### loser.
   441. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 28, 2019 at 04:53 PM (#5884073)
Say this for Towson - their quarterback (Joe Flacco's little brother) is a pretty slick dude. He's got some game.
   442. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5884075)
Would you say he's elite?


I have to question running quarterback power with Trevor Lawrence. Occasionally pulling it on a zone read, fine, but don't be pulling that Tebow ####.
   443. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5884081)
Virginia opens the second half with an onside kick. Brilliantly executed.
   444. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5884091)
Clemson's offense looks horrid. Pressure on Lawrence, particularly up the middle, and lots of high throws. 14-14 after three.
   445. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 06:21 PM (#5884095)
Bryce Perkins with three fumbles -- one returned inside the 10 leading to a touchdown and another returned for a touchdown outright.


Clemson finally takes the lead with 9:54 left on a 38-yard pass to Higgins.
   446. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 06:40 PM (#5884098)
UNC scores with 1:17 left. Going for two.
   447. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 06:43 PM (#5884099)
Triple option. No chance.
   448. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: September 28, 2019 at 06:44 PM (#5884100)
Minor miracle the back even ended up with the ball in his hands. Still had nowhere to go. And then they had a great short at the onsides, but no luck.
   449. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 07:56 PM (#5884121)
The "pass interference because the defensive back didn't turn his head, despite the fact he didn't do anything to impede the receiver" call is so lazy and infuriating.
   450. Brian C Posted: September 28, 2019 at 08:02 PM (#5884123)
91 degrees with a heat index of 95 in Gainesville today. If you're coming out to watch Florida play Towson in that weather, well, you are a more dedicated fan than I am.

If you even watched it on TV, you are a more dedicated fan than I am. I hate these FCS matchups with a passion.
   451. Howie Menckel Posted: September 28, 2019 at 08:03 PM (#5884124)
Michigan squeaked past Rutgers, 52-0.

Rutgers host Maryland in the "Humiliation Bowl" next weekend in Piscataway.
   452. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 28, 2019 at 08:04 PM (#5884125)
i'm sure this is an overreaction, but i'd fire the ole miss coach on the spot because of the way he handled that 4th down.

4th and 5 at the 43;

instead of going for it, or even just getting up to the line of scrimmage to try to draw alabama offsides, he left his offense on the field holding their dicks while the play clock wound down to 0.

then, instead of taking the 5 yards for delay of game and punting, he called a timeout to save those 5 yards...and then punted anyway.

####### loser.


yes, i am rich rodriguez.
   453. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 08:27 PM (#5884130)
Thank you, ACC Network, for introducing me to this treasure.
   454. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 28, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5884135)
Adrian Martinez on pace for nine interceptions.
   455. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 29, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5884343)
Ash fired at Rutgers.
   456. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 29, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5884487)
Ash fired at Rutgers.
don't bury the lede like that:
BREAKING: Chris Ash was fired Sunday as Rutgers head coach in a shakeup that also includes the dismissal of offensive coordinator John McNulty. Nunzio Campanile will take over as interim head coach for the rest of the season. The report: https://t.co/fvF2r1bVBk

— Keith Sargeant (@KSargeantNJ) September 29, 2019
NUNZIO.
   457. Brian White Posted: September 29, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5884493)
The extremely dumb college football podcast I listen to brought up Nunzio Campanile last week, with their only remark about him being, "He looks like a Nunzio."

He sure does.
   458. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 29, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5884502)
The extremely dumb college football podcast I listen to brought up Nunzio Campanile last week, with their only remark about him being, "He looks like a Nunzio."

Shutdown Fullcast? I didn't get to it last week.
   459. Howie Menckel Posted: September 29, 2019 at 11:42 PM (#5884508)
"Nunzio" is just about the most hot-wired ex-HS coach in North Jersey.
recruiting at the level you need to in that environment may be more like Power Five than any other region.

the talent is really good - but other regions have better. I'm just not aware of another area with as many utterly cutthroat Wall Street investment banker/booster types who NEED to have their HS FB team beat the alma mater of rival executives. #anymeansnecessary (ask Jabril Peppers)

it's weird - for sure. but a puncher's chance it could work for Rutgers, which is more than they ever had with a skunked version of Urban Meyer.
   460. Brian C Posted: September 30, 2019 at 12:08 AM (#5884513)
I never felt like Rutgers should be expected to compete for actual championships, but I've always been mystified that they're as consistently awful as they are. Seems like they should at least be able to compete on a level similar to Northwestern, at least.

But then, I've always thought it was weird that Northwestern can manage to be as good as Northwestern. Seems like they ought to be the bottom feeder in the league, like Vandy in the SEC. Or, like Northwestern in basketball. Instead they're almost always middle-of-the-pack and sometimes better, and almost always can be counted on to be a tough out.

The Big Ten is just weird, really. Why is Wisconsin always as good as they are? I've never figured that out either.
   461. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: September 30, 2019 at 12:59 AM (#5884516)
Why is Wisconsin always as good as they are? I've never figured that out either.

Actually pretty simple. Alvarez laid out the whole strategy years ago and because cfb has moved in a very different direction Wisconsin has become more of an outlier that it exploits to its advantage.

--Wisconsin offense will run the ball to limit the number of possessions in the game
--Wisconsin has developed rep for putting lineman on both sides in pros so gets its share of linemen especially offensive linemen into program
--with game all about passing running backs who previously might have gone elsewhere now consider Wisconsin because they know they will get the ball
--Wisconsin plays a very physical style which is also not the standard even in the Big10 so if you are a player who likes the contact you lean toward WI plus it is a small advantage in games because yes it's football but there is football and there is physical football.
--Wisconsin kids almost always end up at Wisconsin if not by scholarship as walk-ons
--Wisconsin walk on program incredibly productive. There are have been lots of stories and even a book about this part of the program
--Madison is a really fun place to be as a student
--Coaches who deviate from the Wisconsin Alvarez plan don't stay as coach (Gary Anderson)
--Wisconsin has had a series of good defensive coordinators like Dave Aranda and Jim Leonhard which has helped recruit even better defensive players especially at linebacker
--Wisconsin has had some guys who have become really good NFL players. JJ Watt. Melvin Gordon. Russell Wilson. Travis Frederick. Ryan Ramczyk. TJ Watt. Joe Thomas(!!!). Ricky Wagner. Rob Havenstein. Joe Schobert. All these guys are pretty active on social media pimping Wisco. That has to help recruiting.


   462. Hot Wheeling American Posted: September 30, 2019 at 01:50 AM (#5884519)
He sure does.

They couldn’t have delayed his photo day until he had time to fix that lip?
   463. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2019 at 02:34 AM (#5884521)
Wisconsin plays a very physical style which is also not the standard even in the Big10

that style may not be standard, but between wisconsin, iowa and michigan state, it's far from extinct.
Why is Wisconsin always as good as they are?

they recruit well, they coach well, and they don't lose players early (to transfer, dropout, or the NFL draft).
I never felt like Rutgers should be expected to compete for actual championships, but I've always been mystified that they're as consistently awful as they are. Seems like they should at least be able to compete on a level similar to Northwestern, at least.

have you ever been to rutgers' campus?

new jersey doesn't really have a shared sense of civic pride when it comes to sports. in south jersey, people root for philly teams; in the north, you get another split, with the yankees/giants, mets/jets, etc. we're all basically just at each other's throats, and we're not coming together for ####### rutgers.


that being said, rutgers' wrestling program has a chance to thread the needle. they had 2 national champions last year, and they signed a top 5 recruiting class this summer. i hope they crash and burn.
   464. Brian White Posted: September 30, 2019 at 08:02 PM (#5884801)
Shutdown Fullcast? I didn't get to it last week.


Yeah. Now, actually, I'm not so sure that it was last week he was discussed. I just remember that at some point he was discussed on the podcast, and I just assumed that I would not have retained any memory of a discussion about an assistant head coach at Rutgers for anything more than a few days, and therefore I was thinking that it had to be the most recent episode. But now that I think about it, I'm unsure. I just know he got discussed at some point this season.

Side note: I called this podcast dumb, but it's actually four smart, insightful people trying to be dumb. The podcast is actually great if you can get into it.
   465. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 30, 2019 at 08:47 PM (#5884810)
Side note: I called this podcast dumb, but it's actually four smart, insightful people trying to be dumb. The podcast is actually great if you can get into it.

I think they would prefer the description "dumb." But I agree completely.

Spencer Hall is also my favorite sportswriter and it's an absolute hoot to listen to him every week.
   466. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 01, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5884876)
Why is Wisconsin always as good as they are?


Ian Boyd had an interesting take on Wisconsin here.

His hypothesis is that there are a lot of big, but relatively light athletic white dudes in Wisconsin and those kids all end up at Wisconsin. At UW, they add weight and retain athleticism, creating a pipeline impact players on both lines. And he shows his work in the article. I find his work to be pretty interesting generally and this one was memorable.
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