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OT - Catch-All Pop Culture Extravaganza (June 2019)

The 2018-19 TV season is history, so here’s [Deadline’s] annual list of summer premiere dates for new series and new seasons of returning shows. It covers hundreds of broadcast, cable and streaming series bowing from mid-May through August in various dayparts.

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   701. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 13, 2019 at 10:58 PM (#5851717)
flop
   702. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:06 PM (#5851722)
I got home from work to see my wife watching Iron Man 2 on tv.
   703. Lassus Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5851739)
Selfishly re-printing from the flip -


I'm also reading Iain Banks' Surface Detail, from the "Culture" series. It's one of his later books--he may have already been dealing with the cancer that ultimately killed him--and he is not exactly shy about letting the reader know what he thinks of religion. Which is, for me, one of the best things about it.

Surface Detail was very good, maybe one of the best. I'm not sure his depiction of (digital) Hell can ever be equalled (although it's possible that's what I'll be reading when I get into Stephenson's latest). Maybe I'll do a ranking of my Iain M. Banks novels. His death was so heartbreaking. Maybe worse than Adams.
   704. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:43 AM (#5851834)
@jasondashbailey
No series on Netflix has ever made me angrier at their "WATCH NEXT EPISODE" countdown clock than WHEN THEY SEE US. Ava ends every episode with a sequence of astonishing power and visceral impact, and these ####### just CANNOT LET ME SIT WITH IT for a ####### minute.

What’s kinda weird is that I suspect the number of people who dislike this feature is around 1% of all subscribers. Most don’t care. But the people who do care REALLY REALLY REALLY hate it. I wonder why Netflix doesn’t allow people to turn that feature off?
   705. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:55 AM (#5851836)
Glenn Danzig made a movie ... a horror anthology ... and if this review is even half right ... I REALLY want to see it.


“You guys laughed in some of the places I wouldn’t have, but that’s cool,” Danzig said when he took the stage. (This may be a slight paraphrase—I was rushing to write it down in the gleeful aftermath of this apparently accidental comedy.) This wasn’t quite the willful misunderstanding of a Tommy Wiseau, but it wasn’t far off. Danzig has made what, in his mind, is a deeply serious tribute to the horror anthology films of the ’60s and ’70s; he name-checked Mario Bava in particular, which was apt, as it often felt like Verotika was a Christopher Guest-level attempt to send up the operatic horror of that era. From the first frame to the last, the poor acting, comical staging, and delightfully bad camerawork suffuses every moment with unintentional comedy.

How to do justice to something so poorly made, but with such obvious passion and care—a joy for all the wrong reasons? How to pay tribute to the porno-esque production design, so pronounced that one might spend each of the three sequences in this triptych of macabre tales waiting for a pizza delivery guy to enter the frame and say, “Well, if you don’t have any money, how are you going to pay me?” How to properly applaud the straight-faced, comically protracted shots of actors staring into the distance? At one point, a woman looks into a mirror for minutes on end, while the camera zooms in...then out...then in...then out...then in...and so on. A guy in the row ahead of me started laughing so hard, it drowned out several of her lines, which was fine. The mix wasn’t so hot to begin with.

...

God only knows if this movie will ever see the light of day outside of a few film festivals. I sincerely hope it does; everyone should get the chance to see what Danzig’s ego hath wrought. I don’t even want him to be dispirited: This may not be the reaction he was hoping for, but it’s so much better than I could ever have imagined. This is funny on a level that most comedies can’t achieve. It’s that rare fusion of painstakingly expressed love and total lack of ability that deliver the best of bad cinema, and he should be proud. The director of Birdemic wishes his intentions were this pure. All I want to do is watch this movie again, with as many of my friends as I can assemble. Glenn Dan-zigged where he should have Dan-zagged, and for that we should all be profoundly grateful.
   706. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 14, 2019 at 08:40 AM (#5851859)
   707. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 14, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5851862)
Glenn Danzig made a movie ... a horror anthology ... and if this review is even half right ... I REALLY want to see it.


The comments section is gold.
   708. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 14, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5851891)
I got home from work to see my wife watching Iron Man 2 on tv.


Better or worse than Luke Wilson in the first scene of "Old School"?

   709. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5851895)
I don’t know that reference, but: Worse.
   710. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5851898)
Does anyone other than me think that HBO could renew/repeat their GoT gold mine with many and varied seasons of Silverberg's Lord Valentine's Castle and various associated Majipoor Chronicles? I wonder if anyone has bought those rights?
   711. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5851899)
Does it have boobs and zombies?
   712. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5851901)
No zombies. It does have some people dating, some people fighting, and some juggling. I'm sure you'll hate it.
   713. PreservedFish Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5851909)
They, and everyone else, must be considering every fantasy series under the sun right now to try and recreate that success.
   714. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5851928)
Honestly, I'd have highly recommended this one for you at some point prior to Sanderson, but oh well. It's kinda fantasy, but more science-fiction with aliens and the like on a somewhat forgotten, backward, backwater planet. So, creatures and carts, no spaceships or tech, just implications and rumors.
   715. PreservedFish Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:07 AM (#5851931)
I'll file it away for future consideration. I'm cool with aliens, but the juggling makes me suspicious. I'm a little nervous about that performery / ren fair side of the fantasy world.
   716. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:07 AM (#5851932)
I don’t know that reference, but: Worse.

Not worse.
   717. PreservedFish Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5851933)
I got home from work to see my wife watching Iron Man 2 on tv.


I confess I've wondered whether or not she needs to hear about your Hollywood hobbyhorses as often as we do, and if so, how she puts up with it.
   718. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5851936)
Mrs. Davo is a saint.
   719. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5851938)
There are usually at least 1-2 movies a year that appeal to us both, that we’re both really excited to watch together. Many others we’ll tolerate.

Television is a different story, since I don’t really watch anything, so I’ll usually just read a book next to her on those nights.

Of course, right now we have a newborn to care for, so we have no time for anything but him!
   720. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5851939)
   721. BrianBrianson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5851943)
Huh - I found a newborn really upped how much TV I watched, as I had to do a lot of sitting there with my hands occupied activities.
   722. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:04 PM (#5851947)
What’s kinda weird is that I suspect the number of people who dislike this feature is around 1% of all subscribers. Most don’t care. But the people who do care REALLY REALLY REALLY hate it. I wonder why Netflix doesn’t allow people to turn that feature off?

Well, I'm most definitely in that 1%. I'm not a binge-watcher; I just prefer to limit my screen time so for the most part we'll watch one episode of a show (or one movie) and then turn it off.

But you CAN turn off the "countdown" clock and continuing right into the next episode. Someplace in the Settings on your account (my wife is the one who found it, I didn't see exactly where it was). Liberation!

I get that from Netflix' POV having the auto-start for the next episode be the default setting makes perfect sense. Just wish we didn't live in a world where "What's best for business X" is automatically assumed to be the way things sposed to be.
   723. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5851948)
The comments section is gold.


Oooh, thanks, I got there 3 minutes after the article was posted, nobody had commented yet, I'll check them out.
   724. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:09 PM (#5851950)
But I guess the big reason there’s no acrimony is she doesn’t wrap her identity around the movies she consumes.
   725. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:20 PM (#5851959)
   726. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 14, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5851963)
Some really interesting sounding films here that I'll have to try and check out: Michael Caine’s best films – ranked!


As The Italian Job gets a 50th anniversary re-release, we have painstakingly charted the charming hardnut’s 50 greatest performances, from Alfie to Zulu
   727. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 01:54 PM (#5851998)
Just from personal experience, but most of the women I know can criticize art while also enjoying it. This protectiveness, this narcissistic “the critic is attacking something I like, that means he’s attacking me!” seems most pervasive in male spaces.

I wonder how much of that is due to rom-coms? Women recognize that these are cliches and predictable wish-fulfillment fantasies and that they also make them feel good....so pointing out the former doesn’t detract from the latter (and it often enhances it! My wife has a knack for predicting the exact line of dialogue before it’s delivered, so familiar she is with the genre.

But for some reason, when you point out that movies in traditionally male genres (action-sci-fi) are just as cliched and predictable and wish-fulfillment devices....their fans get outraged!
   728. BrianBrianson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5852002)
If your personal perception tells you men and women behave extremely differently, it says nothing about men and women, but a lot about you. Men and women are often very different in the tails, but the bulk of us are pretty indistinguishable.
   729. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5852007)
Just trying to understand how the guys here get so bothered by others pointing out things as harmless and obvious as “Actually Iron Man is a fantasy for teenage boys.”

I like the Taken movies even though I recognize they are fascist as ####. It’s not hard to do!
   730. bunyon Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5852012)
It's the "for little boys". People need stories - fantasy, drama, comedy. It makes us human. To reserve that to children is off-putting. And wrong, but not worth arguing. You instinctively know this if you like Taken.
   731. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5852014)
The Daily Wire’s culture pundit has some hot takes on film history.

@MattWalshBlog
I'm just pointing out that, technically, the acting and writing is not anywhere close to what you find in modern films and shows. Newer movies can be condemned for poor writing and performances even when it's objectively better than what you find in old "classic" films.

There was nobody in Hollywood in 1940 or 1950 that came close to the raw acting talent of someone like Meryl Streep or Daniel Day Lewis or one of our great actors today. The "greats" of that era were turning in performances that would be considered hammy and contrived today.

I shouldn't make it a matter of talent. The art form just hadn't progressed to the point it's at today. Which is understandable. My point is that we tend to massively underrate modern films because we judge them by a much harsher standard due to the quality we've come to expect.
   732. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5852017)
“Actually Iron Man is a fantasy for teenage boys.”

Yes. Like the Bible. Only teenage boys eventually realize that about Iron Man.
   733. BrianBrianson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5852022)
And, of course, that statement very literally says nothing about the film, but only about the audience. Saying "You've Got Mail is predictable and cliche and we've seen it word for word in 44 other Meg Ryan films" is not the same as saying "You've Got Mail is for people who're vapid and juvenile". "Actually Iron Man is a fantasy for teenage boys." says nothing about the film, it only criticises the people who watch it. Dr. Strange tells a story we've seen before - in Ant-Man and Iron Man is a statement I make all the time. Dr. Strange is still a great movie, though.

Like, as a 13 year old boy, I could laugh my ass off at the Mad Magazine "Write Your Own Steven Seagal Movie", because it was completely true and obvious that all his movies were very predictable and cliche in exactly the ways they described. I also really enjoyed watching his movies. But of course, those criticisms are obviously true. If you said they're not concerned with the accuracy of the martial arts, I might feel like defending them, because that criticism isn't fair.

   734. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5852024)
If your personal perception tells you men and women behave extremely differently, it says nothing about men and women, but a lot about you. Men and women are often very different in the tails, but the bulk of us are pretty indistinguishable.

Man, life would suck if you were right. I would really hate the world if women were "basically indistinguishable from men" intellectually and emotionally. I much prefer living and working with women.
   735. BrianBrianson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5852026)
And of course, the audience for MCU films skews slightly male (depends on the movie, but most seem to be 55-45 or so), but people at large aren't remotely reacting like it's for young boys.

In the broader sense, I don't really get why people who aren't Hot Taking try to pretend that the way audiences empathise/identify with characters is nothing but a strict application of race and sex. It's not remotely representative of the lived reality of anyone I know. (And beyond - the number of political pundits who argue women will vote for women candidates, black people for black candidates, etc. - even 538, who're supposed to look at the numbers, but inevitably ignore the numbers when it turns out this is a ~5% effect)
   736. BrianBrianson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5852029)
Man, life would suck if you were right. I would really hate the world if women were "basically indistinguishable from men" intellectually and emotionally. I much prefer living and working with women.


Sure, but this is ~95% because of how you perceive and treat women and men differently, and ~5% because of how they are different.
   737. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5852031)
Sure, but this is ~95% because of how you perceive and treat women and men differently, and ~5% because of how they are different.

I disagree. There are fundamental differences in the way men and women behave, on average; of course there is substantial overlap between the two populations, given the diversity within each.

Given the difference of biology, evolutionary and social pressures, etc., it would be shocking if there weren't.
   738. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5852041)
Anecdote of course, but a couple years ago I saw a notice on Facebook by our local repertory movie theater announcing a huge sale on Saturday morning (a local resident was selling his personal collection of obscure/classic movies and movie memorabilia and giving all the proceeds to the theater.)

So on Saturday morning I got up nice and early (doors opened at 10!), and took my place in line on the sidewalk, a line which would spread to the end of the block by the time the sale started. And it was just a really wonderful time—I think I dropped $100 in there, picking up a lot of really great, hard-to-find movies for only $5 a piece (the most treasured of which was Robert Bresson’s first feature, Angels of Sin, which barely exists!)

BUT MY POINT WAS: of these hundreds of people in line, roughly 95% were men. Damndest thing! The sale wasn’t advertised in a gendered way, and nothing about the collection itself suggested a male focus (he had Catherine Breillat’s complete filmography!), and yet almost everyone there was a man. Still bugs me!
   739. jmurph Posted: June 14, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5852051)
I think we did this topic a year or so ago, but anyway, my stance remains: men are more represented among those nerding out over comics/records/niche movies/sports because it has been socially acceptable for far longer for men, but not women, to nerd out over comics/records/niche movies/sports.
   740. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5852052)
BUT MY POINT WAS: of these hundreds of people in line, roughly 95% were men. Damndest thing! The sale wasn’t advertised in a gendered way, and nothing about the collection itself suggested a male focus (he had Catherine Breillat’s complete filmography!), and yet almost everyone there was a man. Still bugs me!

Every watch American Pickers? Collecting is very much a guy thing. My wife and I constantly disagree about building more book shelves, vs. getting rid of books, and she has no clue why I collect firearms when I only ever shoot a small portion of the collection.
   741. PreservedFish Posted: June 14, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5852065)
But I guess the big reason there’s no acrimony is she doesn’t wrap her identity around the movies she consumes.


I was hoping that this wasn't a condescending dismissal of members of this board. Disappointed to see that further comments proved that it was.
   742. jmurph Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:02 PM (#5852068)
I was hoping that this wasn't a condescending dismissal of members of this board. Disappointed to see that further comments proved that it was.

That would be weird, because of the people who participate in this thread who clearly wrap their identity around the movies they consume, one name would definitely jump to mind!
   743. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:04 PM (#5852070)
frist of all how dare u
   744. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:07 PM (#5852072)
Every watch American Pickers? Collecting is very much a guy thing. My wife and I constantly disagree about building more book shelves, vs. getting rid of books, and she has no clue why I collect firearms when I only ever shoot a small portion of the collection.


I'd say, rather, that men and women "collect" different things (and in slightly different ways). I literally had a female friend of mine ask me *last* night, in rather bemused bewilderment, "why do I have two shopping bags full of sunglasses I've never worn?" (which she then went on to justify explain ((as we *all* do in those circumstances))).
   745. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5852078)
I'd say, rather, that men and women "collect" different things (and in slightly different ways). I literally had a female friend of mine ask me *last* night, in rather bemused bewilderment, "why do I have two shopping bags full of sunglasses I've never worn?"

I think that's buying, not "collecting". My wive gave away something like 30 garbage bags full of clothes last year, and is still complaining about how much she has. My wife loves buying. She loves Amazon Prime. She loves the idea of getting a package in the mail. But, she doesn't value the "having" of those things the way I value having a book, or a fire arm, or toy soldiers.

   746. Lassus Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5852081)
My wife does actually collect those standing, Christmas-y nutcrackers. Granted, she is a ballerina.
   747. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:43 PM (#5852092)
I think that's buying, not "collecting". My wive gave away something like 30 garbage bags full of clothes last year, and is still complaining about how much she has. My wife loves buying. She loves Amazon Prime. She loves the idea of getting a package in the mail. But, she doesn't value the "having" of those things the way I value having a book, or a fire arm, or toy soldiers.


There's a fine line between clever and stupid, but it's far broader than the line between "collecting" and "buying" in most cases ...
   748. BrianBrianson Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:43 PM (#5852093)
I think that's buying, not "collecting".


Maybe, but my mother's 50 porcelain elephants are just as much a collection as my father's 50 antique coke bottles. All the stuff where you think men and women are really behaving very differently is confirmation bias (even if their median behaviours are 0.2 sigma apart).

And there are sometimes weird idiosyncracies in the way people get shepherded. Every D&D campaign I've played was at least 2/3rds dudes, but never once did I play a Vampyre:The Masquerade where men were even making par.

Given the difference of biology, evolutionary and social pressures, etc., it would be shocking if there weren't.


It is to laugh. The biology, the evolutionary pressures, the social pressures, are overwhelmingly similar, with only a few differences around the edges.
   749. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM (#5852137)
@BenEdlundAfter much door-knocking we have found no new home for the Tick series in this current market. #SaveTheTick & #LunaTickArmy I'm sorry we could not reward your glorious support with better news. I am so proud of the show, of the cast and crew and writers, and so warmed by the fans


@GriffLightning (Griffin Newman)
I’ll post a more thorough, emotional thing later saying goodbye to #TheTick once I’ve had a little more time to fully absorb. For now, I just want to extend my deepest gratitude to everyone who fought to keep our show alive. We are eternally gratefu

I’ve never seen the show, but Griffin is the host of my favorite podcast (“Blank Check”)—I feel bad for him. This sucks.
   750. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 07:39 PM (#5852145)
   751. PreservedFish Posted: June 14, 2019 at 07:50 PM (#5852148)
Can't take anything Brianson says seriously after that ridiculous disco comment in the other thread.
   752. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 14, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5852158)
Well, this thread continues to take an unusual turn.

Anyone watching Good Omens? I'm about half way through now and am enjoying it quite a bit. I didn't read the book, I'm guessing this is a one-and-done show.
   753. bunyon Posted: June 14, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5852163)
Good Omens was great. I’m a big fan of the book and loved it. As far as I know there is no plan to shoot any more.

American Gods will probably go another couple of seasons I think.
   754. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 14, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5852176)
RE #705 ... another review of "Verotika" from last night:


Chicago’s Cinepocalypse genre festival started off with a bolt of lightning this week — the birth of a bona fide cult hit, one that had its audience laughing and cheering from start to finish. Following in the tradition of Ed Wood and Tommy Wiseau, Verotika beguiled viewers with its stupefying notion of violent-erotic horror filmmaking — if only writer-director Glenn Danzig meant for it to happen.

Let’s set the stage, to which Danzig arrived 40 minutes late. Being the legendary front man of the Misfits, he got a standing ovation just for showing up. He began to introduce the film, first musing about his love for horror and his long-tended desire to become a filmmaker. Verotika, he explained, was an anthology film based on his controversial Verotik comic book series, and was inspired by films like Mario Bava’s Black Sabbath. Declaring himself a true independent filmmaker, Danzig promised that there would be no beach scenes in the picture he was about to screen. Not one Hollywood producer had intervened in the course of making Verotika, he made clear; his vision was uncompromised. As for his tardiness, he said he got caught up editing a few glitches before the festival, and while there may still be a few in the presented cut, he promised that viewers would “get the gist of it.”

...

It was right around the second three-minute stripper sequence when I remembered that Danzig did not use the word funny while introducing his taste in horror. And yet the audience around me was roaring with laughter. I had, up until this point, been a little irritated with Danzig, assuming this movie was the product of an indulgent filmmaker attempting to put forth a wacky, red-corn-syrup-slathered romp with deeper meaning. But as the chuckles in the theater grew more regular, I realized that Danzig did not, in fact, mean to create the horror-comedy of the year, and yet … he maybe did?

As you behold Verotika and all of its curious wonders, Danzig’s profoundly blasé directing style proves funnier and funnier as time wears on: The audience laughed when a camera zoom clearly missed its mark, and when a scene abruptly ended with a fade to black, the actors seemingly uncertain of when to stop acting. One story abruptly jumps to SIX MONTHS LATER, and the line delivery afterward is impeccably bad — I’ve blocked the specific dialogue from becoming lodged in my memory, but I’ll never forget the joy it brought me and hundreds of others in the theater. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, I think.

...


Vulture
   755. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 10:14 PM (#5852192)

It is to laugh. The biology, the evolutionary pressures, the social pressures, are overwhelmingly similar, with only a few differences around the edges.


That's just silly. There are huge physiological differences, that's why a boys High School team will crush the best women in the world in most sports. It would be surprising if there weren't equally significant mental differences.
   756. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 15, 2019 at 07:33 AM (#5852218)
As far as I know there is no plan to shoot any more.

Makes sense. But it is a huge hit reportedly. I have to think they'll do something in response to its success.

Couldn't quite finish it last night. Maybe an episode and a half left, can't wait to see how it ends.
   757. bunyon Posted: June 15, 2019 at 08:40 AM (#5852222)
I agree, it makes sense that Amazon would want to follow up on a hit. On the other hand, half the creative team is dead. I'm not sure if they had a sequel in mind but they had a long time to write it if they did. I'm also not sure Gaiman would want to carry on solo. If Amazon just invents something out of whole cloth, I'd watch it but I doubt it would be as good as this series.
   758. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: June 15, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5852254)
Gaiman certainly gives the impression on Twitter that the reason the show existed at all was because he and Pratchett agreed on it years ago, and I would find it very strange if Gaiman agreed to push the story beyond that point. I'd find that quite disappointing if he did, to be honest. (I still need to watch the show as it is, of course.)

There was something on Twitter about an algorithm that attempted to predict which sections of the book were written by which author. I wouldn't think it that hard to do by hand, though.
   759. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 15, 2019 at 08:39 PM (#5852337)
Roman Polanski and Woody Allen’s new movies set to premiere at Venice Film Festival
The heads of the Venice Film Festival are very close to nabbing both Woody Allen’s “A Rainy Day in New York” and Roman Polanski’s “An Officer and a Spy” as part of their upcoming lineup, set to unfold from August 28th to September 9th on the Lido.

...Polanski’s film is about Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a French-Jewish solider wrongly accused of spying for the Germans in Paris in the 1890s. (...)The plot of “Rainy Day” revolves around ingenue Fanning being pursued by Chalamet. However, in the film she gravitates toward an older man played by Liev Schreiber, who is 30 years her senior.
   760. BrianBrianson Posted: June 15, 2019 at 08:55 PM (#5852345)
That's just silly. There are huge physiological differences, that's why a boys High School team will crush the best women in the world in most sports. It would be surprising if there weren't equally significant mental differences.
#

There're marginal physiological difference, which when one looks at the most extreme cases look more different than they do for the vast bulk of the population (and the best women in the world certainly don't get crushed - the Canadian Women's Hockey Team, for instance, wins the majority of the games it plays against the best 15-17 year old boys in the world example.)

But extreme cases aren't illustrative. The weird, outliery examples can be very different, but the vast bulk of men and women aren't very far apart. But people are so desperate to believe they're extremely different, they subtract away all the sameness - the audience for MCU is 40-something percent women, but it's being described as "for boys" above. But 40-something percent to 50-something percent is almost parity.
   761. BrianBrianson Posted: June 15, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5852357)
Can't take anything Brianson says seriously after that ridiculous disco comment in the other thread.


Hey, if nothing else, you can trust that I'm fronting my own thinking.
   762. PreservedFish Posted: June 15, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5852358)
The plot of “Rainy Day” revolves around ingenue Fanning being pursued by Chalamet. However, in the film she gravitates toward an older man played by Liev Schreiber, who is 30 years her senior.


Oh come on, Woody.
   763. PreservedFish Posted: June 15, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5852363)
The weird, outliery examples can be very different, but the vast bulk of men and women aren't very far apart.


This sounds vaguely like "people and iguanas share 91% of their DNA."

"Far apart" defined how? What's the scale here? You assertions here are weightless.
   764. BrianBrianson Posted: June 15, 2019 at 10:19 PM (#5852399)
Humans and Iguanas do share (some large percentage) of our DNA. We're far more like Iguanas than we usually imagine.

But ... then scale depends on what you're measuring. The specific example above is noted that we think of movies as "for men" or "for women", but the audiences are actually 55-45 in most instances (and maybe 2:1 in the pretty extreme cases - Seagal, maybe). snapper said he gets along much better with women than men, but if you couldn't see people (or hear the pitch of their voice), you'd probably be 55-45 to guess their sex just from dealing with them. People imagine the difference is huge, but it's (almost) all selection effects and confirmation bias.

Commenting on a baseball site is a predictor, but if you didn't know my name, and could only ask one question, unless it was highly anatomy-linked, you'd be at best 2:1 to guess my sex off it. Because we're not terribly different, and the overall typically covers most people.
   765. Baldrick Posted: June 16, 2019 at 04:14 AM (#5852457)
Culture updates:
- The new album from Charly Bliss - Young Enough - is wonderful. It reminds me a lot of late 2000s Tegan & Sara, with a little more heaviness in the sound. I'm also enjoying Emily Reo's Only You Can See It, which has a similar vibe to the last Grimes record, and Invitation by Heather Woods Broderick, which is very moody and atmospheric. There's also a new Get Up Kids record, which is a lot more fun than it has any right to be, without actually being objectively good.
- Monet's huge water lilies at the Musée de l'Orangerie are wonderful. The d'Orsay is clearly better in terms of overall quality and volume, but the Orangerie is a really nice supplement and is much quicker to get in and out of.
- I'm re-reading Rothfuss to pass the time while I train around France. I wanted something fun and easy to dip in and out of. And it certainly fits the bill. But I'm finding it all much more frustrating than when I first read them seven or eight years ago. Maybe it's just the knowledge that he's probably never going to finish the damn thing seeping into my reading of the story. Because without the faith that there will actually be some payoff to all the portents, Kvothe is a fundamentally very silly character - simultaneously the very best in the world at everything but also a complete moron.
   766. PreservedFish Posted: June 16, 2019 at 06:45 AM (#5852458)
Having any great food in France, Baldrick?
   767. PreservedFish Posted: June 16, 2019 at 07:15 AM (#5852459)
The specific example above is noted that we think of movies as "for men" or "for women", but the audiences are actually 55-45 in most instances (and maybe 2:1 in the pretty extreme cases - Seagal, maybe)

Brianson, your assertions are still weightless. They're unsourced and you're not even hinting as to why we should trust you on this. A bit of googling turns up:

"No Strings Attached," starring Ashton Kutcher and Natalie Portman, billed itself as a "non-romantic comedy," and its ads focused on the sex, not the romance. It was presumed that guys would want to see a movie about Mr. Kutcher having "no-strings-attached sex" with a very naked Academy Award-winning Ms. Portman. Still, exit polls showed that 70% of the people who saw the film were women.


One wonders what the % would be if you could exclude the "dragged by his significant other" male attendees.

This link says that 60% of Rogue One and Captain America: Civil War attendees were men. And those are HUGE films that are designed to be broadly appealing. Same thing a couple years later, 60% men for Avengers: Infinity War and Deadpool 2. Again, one can only wonder what the gender split was for that minor crappy movie I saw last summer about Nazi zombies.

Another random thing I found:

Gender is the most important factor in determining genre preference... Family films, romance, and romantic comedies are all associated with female audiences. In fact, 83 per cent of respondents to express a preference for romance films were female, and the corresponding figures are also high for family films (64%) and romantic comedies (72%). Musicals are also strongly associated with female audiences (71%)

   768. PreservedFish Posted: June 16, 2019 at 07:43 AM (#5852461)
I know the statistics aren't wildly different than what you asserted, but I think that looking at the big tentpole blockbusters will invariably dull the differences, so you might be underrating the Seagal film performance. "No Strings Attached," to be clear, was marketed specifically at men (in comparison to other RomComs) and still clocked in with 30% male viewership.

That's just on movies. The general claim that men and women are only narrowly different with regard to most things is just a really glib statement.
   769. Baldrick Posted: June 16, 2019 at 08:58 AM (#5852466)
Having any great food in France, Baldrick?

All the trains are eating up my budget so I'm going really frugal. Mostly buying baguettes and cheese and fresh tomatoes and picnicking. So, actually, yes it's been amazing.

Went to a vegetarian place called Sense Eat that was fantastic, though.
   770. Omineca Greg Posted: June 16, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5852467)
I just watched a romance film!

Teströl és Lélekrö (On Body and Soul)

2017 Hungarian film, about, well, it's about a lot of things, but the capsule description would be "older, rather emotionally beat up older man and younger (no, it is not a Woody Allen production), high functioning autistic woman learn that they both dream the identical scene every night". More than that would just be spoilers.

Very arty with a capital "A".

Unlike most romance films in that the characters are both at least somewhat removed from normal psychology, her more than him, so the film is not about emotional identification with the lovers, as much as it is about the economy and marketplace of death, sex, dreams, nature vs. mankind's creations and finding lasting emotional connections in a world that doesn't really place much value in them.

The whole thing takes place in a suburban Budapest vágóhíd (abattoir), and a lot of the literary content comes from the tension of finding life in a career (both main characters are higher ups in the management chain) based on the death and life cycle of industrialised agri-business.

Oh, my heart's a flutter!

How 'bout yours?

I liked it. Not without flaws, it takes a lot of chances as a film, when it works it's a rare and beautiful thing; when it doesn't...well...there'd be no shortage of ammo for your philistine uncle to say, "Why the #### are we watching this garbage?".

It's been educational for me to read the posts in this thread; I've learned I don't like the things most people like. Or, to be more fair, what most people here like. I like less epic, grandiose stories. Although there's an element of magical realism to "Teströl és Lélekrö", for the most part it's constructed from modest elements, could be anybody's workplace, and although characters have their quirks, they aren't so removed from reality that they couldn't exist in the real world. "On Body and Soul" is a good, descriptive title; if you believe there's more to existence than going to work, collecting your paycheque, picking up a couple of beer and a microwave meal on the way home and then watching the game on television, and I think most people do...then why do so many people go to work, draw pay, drink beer and watch the game on television? It's a good question.

Anyway, if you like European art-house flicks, and you know who you are, you should check this one out.

Laura Marling's music is used in key moments of the film, so let's do this one...What He Wrote.
   771. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 16, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5852476)
Finished Good Omens. Well done, if not entirely unforeseeable. The two leads really did a great job, as did John Hamm.

I agree with the above, doing any continuation would undermine this story. Although it felt like there were shades of a sequel being hinted at here and there.

Maybe they just give Gaiman a deal and let him do whatever he wants? Because that was a well executed miniseries.
   772. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: June 16, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5852501)
Finally gave Whiplash a watch last night. That was fun, although the shared DNA with La La Land is easy to see. I'm surprised that the majority view is that the movie goes too easy on Fletcher - while he doesn't get an explicit comeuppance, the final number seems implicitly quite humiliating for Fletcher.
   773. Hot Wheeling American Posted: June 16, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5852503)
I'm re-reading Rothfuss to pass the time while I train around France. I wanted something fun and easy to dip in and out of. And it certainly fits the bill. But I'm finding it all much more frustrating than when I first read them seven or eight years ago. Maybe it's just the knowledge that he's probably never going to finish the damn thing seeping into my reading of the story.

I know nothing about fantasy (just read The Hobbit for the first time on vacation last week), but looking this up - Rothfuss has published two novels in a supposed trilogy and just turned 46. Why is it CW that he won't finish the series?
   774. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 16, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5852508)
The whole thing takes place in a suburban Budapest vágóhíd (abattoir), and a lot of the literary content comes from the tension of finding life in a career (both main characters are higher ups in the management chain) based on the death and life cycle of industrialised agri-business.

Oh, my heart's a flutter!

How 'bout yours?

Stop, I can only get so hard!
   775. Cropper Posted: June 16, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5852530)
I know nothing about fantasy (just read The Hobbit for the first time on vacation last week), but looking this up - Rothfuss has published two novels in a supposed trilogy and just turned 46. Why is it CW that he won't finish the series?


8 years and counting since the second book was released and he's given no indication at all that he is progressing on the next one. He's big on the convention scene and the RPG scene and generally enjoying his celebrity status resulting from the huge success of the books. He just doesn't seem very interested in writing another book. He's been heavily pestered about it for years now and some of the fan interactions have (understandably) become quite testy. He made a comment 10+ years ago that the second and third books were mostly already written, and just needed editing. The obvious untruth of that bothers people. Given the progression of the story through two books, it's hard to believe he can wrap it all up in a third.

   776. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 16, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5852535)
Given the progression of the story through two books, it's hard to believe he can wrap it all up in a third.


Not unless it's literally the size of a phone book, with the same type.

If at this point, if he cares, the sooner he admits he can't wrap it up in 3 the better.
   777. bunyon Posted: June 16, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5852541)
Electricity is a blessing.
   778. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 16, 2019 at 06:24 PM (#5852577)
I’m reading Peter Lovesey’s third (and final) “Albert, Prince of Wales, and also a detective” mystery, Bertie and the Crime of Passion.

This one is set in Paris, and Bertie teams up with his friend Sarah Bernhardt to investigate a murder that took place at the Moulin Rouge. And the key witness is: Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec.
   779. Omineca Greg Posted: June 16, 2019 at 07:13 PM (#5852590)
Happy Father's Day...

You took your dirty hand
And squeezed my heart
Laughed when I said let go
Your grip got tighter
Then I decided I don't love you so
I should have known
Yeah, you still weren't grown
Uh, huh

I'm going to hitchhike down to Cincinnati
And kick the #### outta your drunk daddy

Well, I'm not nice now, baby
Just too lazy to be mean
Mom said, "Son, go get a good one"
But I grabbed the first thing I seen
I should have known
Yeah, you still weren't grown, uh, huh

I'm going to hitch hike down to Cincinnati
And kick the #### outta your drunk daddy

Well I'm so tired of proving you wrong
Every goddamned day
I want to find the man who started this all
And make that ###### pay
I should have known
Yeah, you still weren't grown
Uh, huh

I'm going to hitchhike down to Cincinnati
And kick the #### outta your drunk daddy
Yeah ahh, come on, yeah, go

Nashville #####
   780. Master of the Horse Posted: June 16, 2019 at 07:36 PM (#5852595)
Dog show on NBCsports. My wife's ability to find something animal related to watch as entertainment is amazing
   781. Master of the Horse Posted: June 16, 2019 at 07:43 PM (#5852596)
Wife declares this the worst group of best in breeds ever in her watching of such things.
   782. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: June 16, 2019 at 08:01 PM (#5852602)
   783. manchestermets Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:37 AM (#5852671)
Perhaps some invented profanity would be welcome, although that seems like it might be tough to do without sounding totally ridiculous.


The BBC sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf used "smeg" to effectively stand in for "f***". It was popular with the show's Fans, but it did sound ridiculous really.


Humans and Iguanas do share (some large percentage) of our DNA. We're far more like Iguanas than we usually imagine.


The possession of a spine and four limbs puts us both in some tiny percentage of animal species, doesn't it?
   784. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:52 AM (#5852675)
RE #705 ... another review of "Verotika" from last night:


The comments section from that link in 705 still seems to be going strong.
   785. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5852679)
The possession of a spine and four limbs puts us both in some tiny percentage of animal species, doesn't it?

Pretty much. Fun fact: we are more closely related to a tuna than a tuna is to a shark.
   786. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5852681)
Someone needs to bootleg Verotika so the general public can see it. I doubt Danzig is going let it see the light of day in the light of all the mockery.
   787. PreservedFish Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:08 AM (#5852682)
The BBC sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf used "smeg" to effectively stand in for "f***". It was popular with the show's Fans, but it did sound ridiculous really.


I once catered an event for a "lifestyle company" in Marin County. They had no discernible product or business plan. Reminded me very much of Entertainment 720. It seemed to be a bunch of rich surfers that were somehow paying themselves to have a cool life. Anyway, they had a really gorgeous Smeg refrigerator. I made them pulled pork sliders, I think.
   788. PreservedFish Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:09 AM (#5852684)
Fun fact: we are more closely related to a tuna than a tuna is to a shark.

That seems impossible. They're both fish. "Fish" is a real thing, right? It's not an unscientific term like "vegetable."

What does "closely related" mean exactly anyway? Does it mean that proto-shark and proto-tuna diverged on the tree of life millions of years before proto-tuna diverged from proto-mammal?
   789. BrianBrianson Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5852692)
That seems impossible. They're both fish. "Fish" is a real thing, right? It's not an unscientific term like "vegetable."


No, 'fish' isn't a clad. It's an unscientific term like vegetable, a kind of dumping bin for a lot of stuff. But yes, it's talking about our more recent common ancestor, which is the usual way biologists want to sort things these days. (Or, one can turn it around - 'fish' is a scientific concept, but amphibians, birds, mammels, and the stuff you probably lump as reptiles are all types of 'fish'.

I don't think it's surprising we're more closely related to some fish than they are to each other - a tuna and a human both have bones - sharks sort of don't.
   790. PreservedFish Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5852694)
What's a clad?
   791. PreservedFish Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5852695)
Oh, clade.
   792. manchestermets Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:50 AM (#5852698)
Pretty much. Fun fact: we are more closely related to a tuna than a tuna is to a shark.


I always enjoy the fact that hyenas are more cat than dog.
   793. PreservedFish Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:59 AM (#5852701)
Blew my mind when I learned, as an adult, that birds are dinosaurs. Not related to dinosaurs, actual dinosaurs.
   794. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5852707)
The BBC sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf used "smeg" to effectively stand in for "f***". It was popular with the show's Fans, but it did sound ridiculous really.


Battlestar Galactica used "Frak" in the same way.
   795. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5852709)
That seems impossible. They're both fish. "Fish" is a real thing, right? It's not an unscientific term like "vegetable."

Bony fish and humans are both tetrapods and share a common ancestor. The similarities between bony fish and cartilaginous fish like sharks is due to convergent evolution.

Blew my mind when I learned, as an adult, that birds are dinosaurs. Not related to dinosaurs, actual dinosaurs.

The funny thing is that Thomas Huxley, the guy famous as "Darwin's Bulldog" had dinosaurs and birds grouped together not long after the "dinosauria" were defined by Richard Owen and, for a while, that became the common understanding. Then another scientist claimed it was impossible because dinosaurs didn't have clavicles (this is wrong) and so it took a hundred years until a Yale professor named John Ostrom pointed out that, obviously, birds and dinosaurs must be closely related again.

I could talk dinosaurs all day. Another fun fact: scientists can now decipher what COLOR many dinosaurs were!
   796. PreservedFish Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5852723)
I read a good book, My Beloved Brontosaurus, that's intended to catch casual dinofans up with the latest research. I've also got this book that speculates on dino anatomy / behavior, which is a fun read.

Anything else you recommend?
   797. BrianBrianson Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5852726)
The one that hurts my mind the most is that we're more closely related to fungus than to plants.
   798. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:36 AM (#5852727)
I always enjoy the fact that hyenas are more cat than dog.


The Thylacine, also known as the Tasmanian Tiger or Tasmanian Wolf or Tasmanian hyena, was neither feliform nor caniform, but a marsupial. Closest living relatives are the Tasmanian devil and the numbuts. Its skull and the skull of a timber wolf are very hard to distinguish from one another, yet, they are only very remotely related.

Thylacine
   799. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5852728)
I've also got this book that speculates on dino anatomy / behavior, which is a fun read.

Yeah, that's a fun book. Here are a few, recent general dinosaur books that will get you caught up on the latest research without getting bogged down in jargon:

Dinosaurs: How they lived and evolved
Weird Dinosaurs: The Strange New Fossils Challenging Everything We Thought We Knew
The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs: A New History of a Lost World

And if you're interest is specifically T-Rex:

The Tyrannosaur Chronicles: The Biology of the Tyrant Dinosaurs
   800. manchestermets Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5852731)
Then another scientist claimed it was impossible because dinosaurs didn't have clavicles (this is wrong)


Wrong because dinosaurs do have clavicles, or wrong because their lack of clavicles doesn't make it impossible?
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